"Underappreciated Genius."
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You are forgetting van Gogh, who was not appreciated in his lifetime. He is now considered one of the greatest painters that ever lived... While Paul's body of work has been appreciated in his lifetime, there are the songs that he doesn't play anymore, for his own reasons... Those of us lucky enough to hear Wings play and who also have the albums and our favorite songs... don't you think at a date far in the future, they won't also rediscover Paul's music and celebrate it's genius?! Just as van Gogh and a whole list of all types of artists, who were just going through life, doing what they do best... a number of them not even well appreciated in their lifetime. I do believe that will happen, without a doubt... I feel very confident about it actually. Musically, Paul is a very rare musician as he plays across so many genres... and he keeps on adding to his catalog. Paul will be in the history books far into the future... so there's more than just Hope For the Future... Paul will always be part of the future...
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love2travel:
You are forgetting van Gogh, who was not appreciated in his lifetime. He is now considered one of the greatest painters that ever lived... While Paul's body of work has been appreciated in his lifetime, there are the songs that he doesn't play anymore, for his own reasons... Those of us lucky enough to hear Wings play and who also have the albums and our favorite songs... don't you think at a date far in the future, they won't also rediscover Paul's music and celebrate it's genius?! Just as van Gogh and a whole list of all types of artists, who were just going through life, doing what they do best... a number of them not even well appreciated in their lifetime. I do believe that will happen, without a doubt... I feel very confident about it actually. Musically, Paul is a very rare musician as he plays across so many genres... and he keeps on adding to his catalog. Paul will be in the history books far into the future... so there's more than just Hope For the Future... Paul will always be part of the future...
You're fairly certain in 200 years, Paul will be on the same musical standing as Mozart and Beethoven for having composed songs like Silly Love Songs, With A Little Luck, Listen to What the Man Said, Ebony and Ivory, Jet, Too Many People, My Brave Face, and Hope of Deliverance? Wow.
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RMartinez:
love2travel:
You are forgetting van Gogh, who was not appreciated in his lifetime. He is now considered one of the greatest painters that ever lived... While Paul's body of work has been appreciated in his lifetime, there are the songs that he doesn't play anymore, for his own reasons... Those of us lucky enough to hear Wings play and who also have the albums and our favorite songs... don't you think at a date far in the future, they won't also rediscover Paul's music and celebrate it's genius?! Just as van Gogh and a whole list of all types of artists, who were just going through life, doing what they do best... a number of them not even well appreciated in their lifetime. I do believe that will happen, without a doubt... I feel very confident about it actually. Musically, Paul is a very rare musician as he plays across so many genres... and he keeps on adding to his catalog. Paul will be in the history books far into the future... so there's more than just Hope For the Future... Paul will always be part of the future...
You're fairly certain in 200 years, Paul will be on the same musical standing as Mozart and Beethoven for having composed songs like Silly Love Songs, With A Little Luck, Listen to What the Man Said, Ebony and Ivory, Jet, Too Many People, My Brave Face, and Hope of Deliverance? Wow.
Those, YES, over what he did with Kanye.
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RMartinez:
WingsOfMacca:
RMartinez:
WingsOfMacca:
Critics: RAM, Red Rose Speedway, Band On The Run, Tug Of War, Flowers In The Dirt, Flaming Pie, Chaos And Creation In The Backyard, Electric Arguments and Memory Almost Full has positive critics in every single website. We have 36 years between RAM and MAF. 36 years of music, recording new music constantly. Rock, pop, dance, electronic, classic works... he did almost everything. And about 30 top hits in his solo career. What more is necessary to be considered a legend? Some people say he will not be considered a legend because he didn't anything so special like in Beatles time. Well... this is impossible.
Paul himself may be contributing to the demise of his solo career in history. If he chooses to forget songs like My Brave Face and Beautiful Night, how can he expect history to remember them?
I agree with you, Paul should play those songs in concert. But his works are there and you don't need a concert to hear them. I don't think a legend makes himself playing songs on a stage.
Maybe. But we are talking about remembering. About memory. There are people attending his shows now who were not born when most of his solo material was recorded. They don't even remember that music NOW, it will be remembered less in decades to come. But they know his Beatle songs. Those will be remembered.
I have to agree with you there. And "The Art of McCartney" didn't really help matters either. What did they choose as the preview track for the project? "Hello Goodbye"!
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KenMac:
So says Toronto based Canadian songwriter Jim Cuddy of the band "Blue Rodeo". I saw the quote from him in the Toronto Star on Saturday in which he was interviewed and was asked: "Who most influenced you as a musician?" His answer: "Paul McCartney. I still feel that he?s one of the most underappreciated geniuses in music." I know I'm preaching to the choir here but I strongly agree with Jim about that. If it wasn't for Paul (along with John, George and Ringo of course) I never would have become a musician.
Let's think about it. McCartney is one kick butt bass player. No other Beatle was as good a musician as McCartney. Lord knows how many instruments the man has played on record. He was part of one of the greatest songwriting partnerships in the history of music. He is also one of the greatest rock singers of all time. He can rock with things like "Helter Skelter" and "Oh Darling" and then beautifully sing ballads like "Yesterday and "Blackbird". Let's also remember he has written all different types of music. He has written great rock/pop songs after the Beatles, experimental music with The Fireman, several classic music albums and music for a ballet. In other words, he is a without a doubt a musical genius.
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I am not convinced Paul is a genius. Nor John Lennon, no matter what he might have thought of himself. Together, they had what I think might have amounted to genius. But as solo artists, I am not sure. Let's just say I am not convinced. Yet.
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oobu24:
RMartinez:
love2travel:
You are forgetting van Gogh, who was not appreciated in his lifetime. He is now considered one of the greatest painters that ever lived... While Paul's body of work has been appreciated in his lifetime, there are the songs that he doesn't play anymore, for his own reasons... Those of us lucky enough to hear Wings play and who also have the albums and our favorite songs... don't you think at a date far in the future, they won't also rediscover Paul's music and celebrate it's genius?! Just as van Gogh and a whole list of all types of artists, who were just going through life, doing what they do best... a number of them not even well appreciated in their lifetime. I do believe that will happen, without a doubt... I feel very confident about it actually. Musically, Paul is a very rare musician as he plays across so many genres... and he keeps on adding to his catalog. Paul will be in the history books far into the future... so there's more than just Hope For the Future... Paul will always be part of the future...
You're fairly certain in 200 years, Paul will be on the same musical standing as Mozart and Beethoven for having composed songs like Silly Love Songs, With A Little Luck, Listen to What the Man Said, Ebony and Ivory, Jet, Too Many People, My Brave Face, and Hope of Deliverance? Wow.
Those, YES, over what he did with Kanye.
Ah! Maybe THAT is Paul's scheme! Make this "music" with West so everyone will re-discover his solo material by way of wanting to hear ANYTHING but these new tunes!!
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RMartinez:
love2travel:
You are forgetting van Gogh, who was not appreciated in his lifetime. He is now considered one of the greatest painters that ever lived... While Paul's body of work has been appreciated in his lifetime, there are the songs that he doesn't play anymore, for his own reasons... Those lucky enough to hear Wings play and who also have the albums and our favorite songs... don't you think at a date in the future, they won't also rediscover Paul's music and celebrate it's genius?! Just as van Gogh and a whole list of all types of artists, who were just going through life, doing what they do best... a number of them not even well appreciated in their lifetime. I do believe that will happen, without a doubt... I feel very confident about it actually. Musically, Paul is a very rare musician as he plays across so many genres... and he keeps on adding to his catalog. Paul will be in the history books far into the future... so there's more than just Hope For the Future... Paul will always be part of the future...
You're fairly certain in 200 years, Paul will be on the same musical standing as Mozart and Beethoven for having composed songs like Silly Love Songs, With A Little Luck, Listen to What the Man Said, Ebony and Ivory, Jet, Too Many People, My Brave Face, and Hope of Deliverance? Wow.
When TIME magazine did an article on People of the Century, the 100 most influential people of the 20th Century, the Beatles were up there as top artists and entertainers, along with the likes of Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Einstein, Mother Teresa, Nelson Mandela, Princess Diana, Frank Sinatra, Bill Gates, Pope John Paul II, Steven Spielberg, Oprah Winfrey... etc Now I don't think anyone has an argument with that. Going further, they were asking the TIME magazine people how they included or excluded people. Here's what they had to say... Criticisms The list of the top 20 Artists and Entertainers, in particular, was criticized for not including Elvis Presley, a decision Handy initially defended in the following way: One of the most important, innovative things about rock is the whole notion of songwriters singing their own works, of the immediacy of expression. Since Elvis didn't write his own material, unlike The Beatles or Bob Dylan or Robert Johnson, who's also someone who could have been included, maybe that cut against him? I think the Beatles pushed the envelope a lot further. Elvis' most original recordings were his first. The Beatles started out as imitators, then continued to grow throughout their years together. Following the logic they chose, Paul has been extremely prolific after the Beatles, writing songs in many different genres Classical, jazz, fusion, ambient, electronica, psychedelic rock, movie soundtracks, now hip hop... Paul's range in music is seemingly almost limitless and he is still experimenting and pushing the boundaries of music to this day... In addition to that, he has over 500 modern art paintings so he is an artist too! He is a very down to earth person, very inspirational, and has without fanfare, contributed to many causes we don't even know about... there are so many positive things about Paul and his contributions to music, art and entertainment... that I'm certain in centuries to come, he will be recognized for all his contributions and genius... van Gogh is now in museums all over the world, including even the letters he wrote to his brother Theo, with illustrations. Considering his fame during his lifetime, it's amazing we even have so much of his work, however, very thankfully we do! Mozart was so prolific from a young age and produced many many works in his lifetime Joseph Haydn wrote that "posterity will not see such a talent again in 100 years." I think that is true about Paul and he will be remembered for that in his legacy. A once in a 100 year genius.
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I bet he will be remembered, but not for his music. He will be remembered for his many fans. People will listen and laugh and wonder what the genius fans heard in it.
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love2travel:
RMartinez:
love2travel:
You are forgetting van Gogh, who was not appreciated in his lifetime. He is now considered one of the greatest painters that ever lived... While Paul's body of work has been appreciated in his lifetime, there are the songs that he doesn't play anymore, for his own reasons... Those lucky enough to hear Wings play and who also have the albums and our favorite songs... don't you think at a date in the future, they won't also rediscover Paul's music and celebrate it's genius?! Just as van Gogh and a whole list of all types of artists, who were just going through life, doing what they do best... a number of them not even well appreciated in their lifetime. I do believe that will happen, without a doubt... I feel very confident about it actually. Musically, Paul is a very rare musician as he plays across so many genres... and he keeps on adding to his catalog. Paul will be in the history books far into the future... so there's more than just Hope For the Future... Paul will always be part of the future...
You're fairly certain in 200 years, Paul will be on the same musical standing as Mozart and Beethoven for having composed songs like Silly Love Songs, With A Little Luck, Listen to What the Man Said, Ebony and Ivory, Jet, Too Many People, My Brave Face, and Hope of Deliverance? Wow.
When TIME magazine did an article on People of the Century, the 100 most influential people of the 20th Century, the Beatles were up there as top artists and entertainers, along with the likes of Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Einstein, Mother Teresa, Nelson Mandela, Princess Diana, Frank Sinatra, Bill Gates, Pope John Paul II, Steven Spielberg, Oprah Winfrey... etc Now I don't think anyone has an argument with that. Going further, they were asking the TIME magazine people how they included or excluded people. Here's what they had to say... Criticisms The list of the top 20 Artists and Entertainers, in particular, was criticized for not including Elvis Presley, a decision Handy initially defended in the following way: One of the most important, innovative things about rock is the whole notion of songwriters singing their own works, of the immediacy of expression. Since Elvis didn't write his own material, unlike The Beatles or Bob Dylan or Robert Johnson, who's also someone who could have been included, maybe that cut against him? I think the Beatles pushed the envelope a lot further. Elvis' most original recordings were his first. The Beatles started out as imitators, then continued to grow throughout their years together. Following the logic they chose, Paul has been extremely prolific after the Beatles, writing songs in many different genres Classical, jazz, fusion, ambient, electronica, psychedelic rock, movie soundtracks, now hip hop... Paul's range in music is seemingly almost limitless and he is still experimenting and pushing the boundaries of music to this day... In addition to that, he has over 500 modern art paintings so he is an artist too! He is a very down to earth person, very inspirational, and has without fanfare, contributed to many causes we don't even know about... there are so many positive things about Paul and his contributions to music, art and entertainment... that I'm certain in centuries to come, he will be recognized for all his contributions and genius... van Gogh is now in museums all over the world, including even the letters he wrote to his brother Theo, with illustrations. Considering his fame during his lifetime, it's amazing we even have so much of his work, however, very thankfully we do! Mozart was so prolific from a young age and produced many many works in his lifetime Joseph Haydn wrote that "posterity will not see such a talent again in 100 years." I think that is true about Paul and he will be remembered for that in his legacy. A once in a 100 year genius.
Thank you for making my point. Paul will be remembered. As a Beatle. He will NOT be remembered any more than John Lennon. Fact. Paul is no more (or less) a genius than John Lennon was. The Beatles, collectively, were. In music, but nothing else.
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Hendrix Ibsen:
I bet he will be remembered, but not for his music. He will be remembered for his many fans. People will listen and laugh and wonder what the genius fans heard in it.
His fans will be remembered?!... no one will remember the fans I forgot, who are you again? j/k Just funning you...
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He-he, yep, well, I think it's difficult to know what people care about in a hundred years. Perhaps there has been a revolution that has put everything on its head... More important for me personally, is that I think McCartney's music has been an ingredient to make my life worthwhile in a way, one of the pleasures of a life that may not always be a pleasure.
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Hendrix Ibsen:
He-he, yep, well, I think it's difficult to know what people care about in a hundred years. Perhaps there has been a revolution that has put everything on its head... More important for me personally, is that I think McCartney's music has been an ingredient to make my life worthwhile in a way, one of the pleasures of a life that may not always be a pleasure.
And that's good enough for me!
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Hendrix Ibsen:
He-he, yep, well, I think it's difficult to know what people care about in a hundred years. Perhaps there has been a revolution that has put everything on its head... More important for me personally, is that I think McCartney's music has been an ingredient to make my life worthwhile in a way, one of the pleasures of a life that may not always be a pleasure.
Well I certainly agree with you about that. When I'm feeling low, I can always put on some of Paul's music to make me forget the more unpleasant things in life for a while.... Hopefully there's no revolution! By that I mean a war!
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RMartinez:
love2travel:
RMartinez:
love2travel:
You are forgetting van Gogh, who was not appreciated in his lifetime. He is now considered one of the greatest painters that ever lived... While Paul's body of work has been appreciated in his lifetime, there are the songs that he doesn't play anymore, for his own reasons... Those lucky enough to hear Wings play and who also have the albums and our favorite songs... don't you think at a date in the future, they won't also rediscover Paul's music and celebrate it's genius?! Just as van Gogh and a whole list of all types of artists, who were just going through life, doing what they do best... a number of them not even well appreciated in their lifetime. I do believe that will happen, without a doubt... I feel very confident about it actually. Musically, Paul is a very rare musician as he plays across so many genres... and he keeps on adding to his catalog. Paul will be in the history books far into the future... so there's more than just Hope For the Future... Paul will always be part of the future...
You're fairly certain in 200 years, Paul will be on the same musical standing as Mozart and Beethoven for having composed songs like Silly Love Songs, With A Little Luck, Listen to What the Man Said, Ebony and Ivory, Jet, Too Many People, My Brave Face, and Hope of Deliverance? Wow.
When TIME magazine did an article on People of the Century, the 100 most influential people of the 20th Century, the Beatles were up there as top artists and entertainers, along with the likes of Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Einstein, Mother Teresa, Nelson Mandela, Princess Diana, Frank Sinatra, Bill Gates, Pope John Paul II, Steven Spielberg, Oprah Winfrey... etc Now I don't think anyone has an argument with that. Going further, they were asking the TIME magazine people how they included or excluded people. Here's what they had to say... Criticisms The list of the top 20 Artists and Entertainers, in particular, was criticized for not including Elvis Presley, a decision Handy initially defended in the following way: One of the most important, innovative things about rock is the whole notion of songwriters singing their own works, of the immediacy of expression. Since Elvis didn't write his own material, unlike The Beatles or Bob Dylan or Robert Johnson, who's also someone who could have been included, maybe that cut against him? I think the Beatles pushed the envelope a lot further. Elvis' most original recordings were his first. The Beatles started out as imitators, then continued to grow throughout their years together. Following the logic they chose, Paul has been extremely prolific after the Beatles, writing songs in many different genres Classical, jazz, fusion, ambient, electronica, psychedelic rock, movie soundtracks, now hip hop... Paul's range in music is seemingly almost limitless and he is still experimenting and pushing the boundaries of music to this day... In addition to that, he has over 500 modern art paintings so he is an artist too! He is a very down to earth person, very inspirational, and has without fanfare, contributed to many causes we don't even know about... there are so many positive things about Paul and his contributions to music, art and entertainment... that I'm certain in centuries to come, he will be recognized for all his contributions and genius... van Gogh is now in museums all over the world, including even the letters he wrote to his brother Theo, with illustrations. Considering his fame during his lifetime, it's amazing we even have so much of his work, however, very thankfully we do! Mozart was so prolific from a young age and produced many many works in his lifetime Joseph Haydn wrote that "posterity will not see such a talent again in 100 years." I think that is true about Paul and he will be remembered for that in his legacy. A once in a 100 year genius.
Thank you for making my point. Paul will be remembered. As a Beatle. He will NOT be remembered any more than John Lennon. Fact. Paul is no more (or less) a genius than John Lennon was. The Beatles, collectively, were. In music, but nothing else.
On the radio or TV, you can still hear a John song being played during a Paul story, or Paul being played during a John tribute sometimes. Same thing with references to songs in news articles. (And Paul has even done John songs in concert!) I think Paul's a genius*, and a lot of people who have worked with him personally agree, but most people think of "The Beatles" as this unbreakable unit, and that will probably stick over time. *But a genius who doesn't always live up to his potential. When he takes the time to polish something, it can be a thing of beauty, but we can also get a Driving Rain or a Wild Life: flashes of brilliance, but an overall attitude of "Hey, whatever, just go with it."
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I'm thinking both John and Paul will go down as geniuses. And obviously due to their work with the Beatles. Was always going to be a hard act to follow. And there have been some real brilliances with their post-Beatles work. Look at the Marx Brothers. When they stopped making movies, Groucho went on to do "You Bet Your Life" for TV. It was amazingly successful.... yet, when anyone hears Groucho's name now, they don't think of that show, they think of his ultimate peak, with his brothers. It doesn't mean his post-movie career was not brilliant, however. Paul McCartney's legacy is ensured.
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toris:
I'm thinking both John and Paul will go down as geniuses. And obviously due to their work with the Beatles. Was always going to be a hard act to follow. And there have been some real brilliances with their post-Beatles work. Look at the Marx Brothers. When they stopped making movies, Groucho went on to do "You Bet Your Life" for TV. It was amazingly successful.... yet, when anyone hears Groucho's name now, they don't think of that show, they think of his ultimate peak, with his brothers. It doesn't mean his post-movie career was not brilliant, however. Paul McCartney's legacy is ensured.
I should add Groucho also nailed the radio market.
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RMartinez:
You're fairly certain in 200 years, Paul will be on the same musical standing as Mozart and Beethoven for having composed songs like Silly Love Songs, With A Little Luck, Listen to What the Man Said, Ebony and Ivory, Jet, Too Many People, My Brave Face, and Hope of Deliverance? Wow.
He may or may not be known in 200 years, but if he is, it will be for the big songs that pass the test of time. Just like Beethoven and Mozart. Ask 100 random people to name anything by Beethoven and you're not going to hear a lot about the little bits and pieces that rarely get played anymore.
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favoritething:
On the radio or TV, you can still hear a John song being played during a Paul story, or Paul being played during a John tribute sometimes. Same thing with references to songs in news articles. (And Paul has even done John songs in concert!)
CNN loves to play John songs when talking about Paul.