FourFiveSeconds- new collab. with Rihanna, Kanye and Paul
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JoeySmith:
RMartinez:
If someone can post just one example here that shows West has any talent, I might change my opinion. Thus far, I am not convinced. He is a media machine, but that does not equate to having real musical talent. Madonna knows how to play the media. She can also dance her ass off, carry a tune, and her songs show she can collaborate and write. I recognize her stamp on her songs. One example.
http://www.allmusic.com/artist/kanye-west-mn0000361014/discography Allmusic has very respected and fair reviews. They dont just give out 5 & 4.5 reviews. Your musical taste is one thing, but you wont win an argument that Kanye has no musical talent - because you would be wrong.
Then you buy his CDs. I won't. And don't.
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ojh please! do you really believe Kanye West has any music talent? you people listening to the beatles? oh please.. Kanye may be a well advertised and popular item, but "talent" is a big word. I can bet West will be forgot in a couple of years ...and, believe me, he's not even so popular in Europe. I don't beleive his music touches so many hearts or has that big significance for anyone. Such a big distance from the Beatles or any Beatle solo music impact
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steblap:
ojh please! do you really believe Kanye West has any music talent? you people listening to the beatles? oh please.. Kanye may be a well advertised and popular item, but "talent" is a big word. I can bet West will be forgot in a couple of years ...and, believe me, he's not even so popular in Europe. I don't beleive his music touches so many hearts or has that big significance for anyone. Such a big distance from the Beatles or any Beatle solo music impact
That really depends if you like or listen to hip hop. Which I don't. But he is considered to be one of the top hip hop artists of all time, with 7 platinum albums, and his work is critically considered to be some of the best in his genre. Rolling Stone gave his 2010 album My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy 5 Stars, and it was at the top of many Best Album of the Year lists for that year. So he's a very successful artist, and for many here, I would say it's a case of not knowing who he is. I may not buy his music, but I would not say he is untalented.
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beatlesfanrandy:
steblap:
ojh please! do you really believe Kanye West has any music talent? you people listening to the beatles? oh please.. Kanye may be a well advertised and popular item, but "talent" is a big word. I can bet West will be forgot in a couple of years ...and, believe me, he's not even so popular in Europe. I don't beleive his music touches so many hearts or has that big significance for anyone. Such a big distance from the Beatles or any Beatle solo music impact
That really depends if you like or listen to hip hop. Which I don't. But he is considered to be one of the top hip hop artists of all time, with 7 platinum albums, and his work is critically considered to be some of the best in his genre. He's a very successful artist. I may not buy his music, but I would not say he is untalented.
He's talented the same way Vanilla Ice is talented.
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RMartinez:
beatlesfanrandy:
steblap:
ojh please! do you really believe Kanye West has any music talent? you people listening to the beatles? oh please.. Kanye may be a well advertised and popular item, but "talent" is a big word. I can bet West will be forgot in a couple of years ...and, believe me, he's not even so popular in Europe. I don't beleive his music touches so many hearts or has that big significance for anyone. Such a big distance from the Beatles or any Beatle solo music impact
That really depends if you like or listen to hip hop. Which I don't. But he is considered to be one of the top hip hop artists of all time, with 7 platinum albums, and his work is critically considered to be some of the best in his genre. He's a very successful artist. I may not buy his music, but I would not say he is untalented.
He's talented the same way Vanilla Ice is talented.
You're twisting reality. Vanilla Ice was a fraud. Do you really think Paul would have worked with Vanilla Ice? They're not in any way related. Anyway that's my last word on this topic.
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beatlesfanrandy:
RMartinez:
beatlesfanrandy:
steblap:
ojh please! do you really believe Kanye West has any music talent? you people listening to the beatles? oh please.. Kanye may be a well advertised and popular item, but "talent" is a big word. I can bet West will be forgot in a couple of years ...and, believe me, he's not even so popular in Europe. I don't beleive his music touches so many hearts or has that big significance for anyone. Such a big distance from the Beatles or any Beatle solo music impact
That really depends if you like or listen to hip hop. Which I don't. But he is considered to be one of the top hip hop artists of all time, with 7 platinum albums, and his work is critically considered to be some of the best in his genre. He's a very successful artist. I may not buy his music, but I would not say he is untalented.
He's talented the same way Vanilla Ice is talented.
You're twisting reality. Vanilla Ice was a fraud. Do you really think Paul would have worked with Vanilla Ice? They're not in any way related. Anyway that's my last word on this topic.
That could be next!
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RMartinez:
beatlesfanrandy:
steblap:
ojh please! do you really believe Kanye West has any music talent? you people listening to the beatles? oh please.. Kanye may be a well advertised and popular item, but "talent" is a big word. I can bet West will be forgot in a couple of years ...and, believe me, he's not even so popular in Europe. I don't beleive his music touches so many hearts or has that big significance for anyone. Such a big distance from the Beatles or any Beatle solo music impact
That really depends if you like or listen to hip hop. Which I don't. But he is considered to be one of the top hip hop artists of all time, with 7 platinum albums, and his work is critically considered to be some of the best in his genre. He's a very successful artist. I may not buy his music, but I would not say he is untalented.
He's talented the same way Vanilla Ice is talented.
Slow yer roll there. That is just wrong .... I can't even -- ... man, that's just...so wrong.
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audi:
RMartinez:
beatlesfanrandy:
steblap:
ojh please! do you really believe Kanye West has any music talent? you people listening to the beatles? oh please.. Kanye may be a well advertised and popular item, but "talent" is a big word. I can bet West will be forgot in a couple of years ...and, believe me, he's not even so popular in Europe. I don't beleive his music touches so many hearts or has that big significance for anyone. Such a big distance from the Beatles or any Beatle solo music impact
That really depends if you like or listen to hip hop. Which I don't. But he is considered to be one of the top hip hop artists of all time, with 7 platinum albums, and his work is critically considered to be some of the best in his genre. He's a very successful artist. I may not buy his music, but I would not say he is untalented.
He's talented the same way Vanilla Ice is talented.
Slow yer roll there. That is just wrong .... I can't even -- ... man, that's just...so wrong.
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audi:
RMartinez:
beatlesfanrandy:
steblap:
ojh please! do you really believe Kanye West has any music talent? you people listening to the beatles? oh please.. Kanye may be a well advertised and popular item, but "talent" is a big word. I can bet West will be forgot in a couple of years ...and, believe me, he's not even so popular in Europe. I don't beleive his music touches so many hearts or has that big significance for anyone. Such a big distance from the Beatles or any Beatle solo music impact
That really depends if you like or listen to hip hop. Which I don't. But he is considered to be one of the top hip hop artists of all time, with 7 platinum albums, and his work is critically considered to be some of the best in his genre. He's a very successful artist. I may not buy his music, but I would not say he is untalented.
He's talented the same way Vanilla Ice is talented.
Slow yer roll there. That is just wrong .... I can't even -- ... man, that's just...so wrong.
Ok....how about Milli Vanilli??
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RMartinez:
audi:
RMartinez:
beatlesfanrandy:
steblap:
ojh please! do you really believe Kanye West has any music talent? you people listening to the beatles? oh please.. Kanye may be a well advertised and popular item, but "talent" is a big word. I can bet West will be forgot in a couple of years ...and, believe me, he's not even so popular in Europe. I don't beleive his music touches so many hearts or has that big significance for anyone. Such a big distance from the Beatles or any Beatle solo music impact
That really depends if you like or listen to hip hop. Which I don't. But he is considered to be one of the top hip hop artists of all time, with 7 platinum albums, and his work is critically considered to be some of the best in his genre. He's a very successful artist. I may not buy his music, but I would not say he is untalented.
He's talented the same way Vanilla Ice is talented.
Slow yer roll there. That is just wrong .... I can't even -- ... man, that's just...so wrong.
Ok....how about Milli Vanilli??
Now that's who the fraud was...not Ice.
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yankeefan7:
RMartinez:
If someone can post just one example here that shows West has any talent, I might change my opinion. Thus far, I am not convinced. He is a media machine, but that does not equate to having real musical talent. Madonna knows how to play the media. She can also dance her ass off, carry a tune, and her songs show she can collaborate and write. I recognize her stamp on her songs. One example.
As I have said in this thread before, I am not a fan of hip hop/rap etc so I will leave other people to judge Kanye's talent. The two recent collaborations I have heard of not impressed me but it is only two songs. I guess when I think of greatness it is someone like Mr. McCartney who not only wrote hundreds of great songs, has an incredible voice, plays numerous musical instruments and is one of the best bass players in rock history.
(other than the fact I liked FourFive Seconds and downloaded it off iTunes)
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oobu24:
RMartinez:
audi:
RMartinez:
beatlesfanrandy:
steblap:
ojh please! do you really believe Kanye West has any music talent? you people listening to the beatles? oh please.. Kanye may be a well advertised and popular item, but "talent" is a big word. I can bet West will be forgot in a couple of years ...and, believe me, he's not even so popular in Europe. I don't beleive his music touches so many hearts or has that big significance for anyone. Such a big distance from the Beatles or any Beatle solo music impact
That really depends if you like or listen to hip hop. Which I don't. But he is considered to be one of the top hip hop artists of all time, with 7 platinum albums, and his work is critically considered to be some of the best in his genre. He's a very successful artist. I may not buy his music, but I would not say he is untalented.
He's talented the same way Vanilla Ice is talented.
Slow yer roll there. That is just wrong .... I can't even -- ... man, that's just...so wrong.
Ok....how about Milli Vanilli??
Now that's who the fraud was...not Ice.
Exactly!
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Without question.
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Nancy R:
oobu24:
RMartinez:
audi:
RMartinez:
beatlesfanrandy:
steblap:
ojh please! do you really believe Kanye West has any music talent? you people listening to the beatles? oh please.. Kanye may be a well advertised and popular item, but "talent" is a big word. I can bet West will be forgot in a couple of years ...and, believe me, he's not even so popular in Europe. I don't beleive his music touches so many hearts or has that big significance for anyone. Such a big distance from the Beatles or any Beatle solo music impact
That really depends if you like or listen to hip hop. Which I don't. But he is considered to be one of the top hip hop artists of all time, with 7 platinum albums, and his work is critically considered to be some of the best in his genre. He's a very successful artist. I may not buy his music, but I would not say he is untalented.
He's talented the same way Vanilla Ice is talented.
Slow yer roll there. That is just wrong .... I can't even -- ... man, that's just...so wrong.
Ok....how about Milli Vanilli??
Now that's who the fraud was...not Ice.
Exactly!
Told you I don't listen to hiphop. But yeah you're right and I stand corrected. I knew it was Vanilla something. It was Milli who was the fraud. Either way, neither is in the same league as Kanye. Anyway, I'm outta here.
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steblap:
ojh please! do you really believe Kanye West has any music talent? you people listening to the beatles? oh please.. Kanye may be a well advertised and popular item, but "talent" is a big word. I can bet West will be forgot in a couple of years ...and, believe me, he's not even so popular in Europe. I don't beleive his music touches so many hearts or has that big significance for anyone. Such a big distance from the Beatles or any Beatle solo music impact
I work in an office with mostly much younger people, and I have to say that for folks under 35 -- which is the primary pop music audience -- Kanye absolutely touches hearts and has big significance. His stuff mostly doesn't speak to me, but I try not to confuse my own personal taste with Absolute Truth. I don't care for 95% of Kanye's stuff, but he absolutely has talent.
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beatlesfanrandy:
Told you I don't listen to hiphop. But yeah you're right and I stand corrected. I knew it was Vanilla something. It was Milli who was the fraud. Either way, neither is in the same league as Kanye. Anyway, I'm outta here.
You weren't completely wrong. Vanilla Ice got in trouble for sampling the bassline for "Under Pressure" without crediting Bowie or Queen. It was a huge deal at the time particularly because he
it was a completely different song because he changed one note. parlance -
Bruce M.:
I work in an office with mostly much younger people, and I have to say that for folks under 35 -- which is the primary pop music audience -- Kanye absolutely touches hearts and has big significance. His stuff mostly doesn't speak to me, but I try not to confuse my own personal taste with Absolute Truth. I don't care for 95% of Kanye's stuff, but he absolutely has talent.
parlance
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I think Kanye West is innovative with production. Kind of in the line of what The Beatles maybe started with "Sgt. Pepper" where you use the recording studio as an instrument. McCartney is in a different league as a songwriter but there is a chemistry to this collaboration, at least to mye ears. Especially "FourFiveSeconds" with Rihanna on vocals, kind of in the McCartney tradition of working with Cilla Black and Mary Hopkin...
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parlance:
beatlesfanrandy:
Told you I don't listen to hiphop. But yeah you're right and I stand corrected. I knew it was Vanilla something. It was Milli who was the fraud. Either way, neither is in the same league as Kanye. Anyway, I'm outta here.
You weren't completely wrong. Vanilla Ice got in trouble for sampling the bassline for "Under Pressure" without crediting Bowie or Queen. It was a huge deal at the time particularly because he
it was a completely different song because he changed one note. parlance -
Sgt._Pepper:
parlance:
You weren't completely wrong. Vanilla Ice got in trouble for sampling the bassline for "Under Pressure" without crediting Bowie or Queen. It was a huge deal at the time particularly because he
it was a completely different song because he changed one note. parlanceYeah that's one I linked to above. I remember a classmate saying to me at the time, "Did you see this fool on MTV News?" parlance