Las Vegas, iHeart Music Festival, 9/21/13 - ARCHIVE
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Bob Gannon:
...these huge festivals are never for "his fans" same as Bonnaroo and Outside Lands....handful may get tickets but these are for the younger music fans not specifically for Paul fans...
At both Bonnaroo and Outside Lands the front was PACKED with hundreds of McCartney fans of all ages. They weren't the young, regular festival-goers who happened to wander over for Paul...they came to the festival specifically for Paul and spent the whole day waiting for him. It was a really, really cool experience!
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aakiboh:
Bob Gannon:
...these huge festivals are never for "his fans" same as Bonnaroo and Outside Lands....handful may get tickets but these are for the younger music fans not specifically for Paul fans...
At both Bonnaroo and Outside Lands the front was PACKED with hundreds of McCartney fans of all ages. They weren't the young, regular festival-goers who happened to wander over for Paul...they came to the festival specifically for Paul and spent the whole day waiting for him. It was a really, really cool experience!
Definitely. There were Beatle fans all over the place at Bonnaroo.
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RMartinez:
Except for the joy of performing, I wonder what Paul's motivation for doing this gig is? Maybe the money.
Actually the timing would be perfect to promote (and play) his new single, which should be dropping around that time.... This is a great venue to get young music listeners who are typically not Macca fans to be exposed to his latest stuff. I think its a great way to generate publicity with this key music demographic. Let's keep in mind that this is the "iTunes and Twitter generation" (lest we forget their reaction to seeing him on the 2012 Grammy's). IMO, he should do a basic setlist of about five songs that would serve as an introduction to his music while still blowing them away. My suggestion: 1. Nineteen Hundred and Eighty Five 2. Helter Skelter 3. New Song 4. Live and Let Die 5. Hey Jude He should also follow this up with a couple of high-profile interviews/TV appearances (e.g. Oprah, Barbara Walters, GMA, etc) and then another remix of one of his more recent MAF or EA tracks by a renown contemporary DJ/producer (e.g. Benny Benassi) in the vein of "Out of Sight." This would assure that his new single has a fighting chance to reach a decent position in the top 100 charts, which would be a huge accomplishment in itself for a musician his age and would raise the prospects of the entire album in the process (especially if the single gets nominated for a Grammy). This looks like its going to be an exciting year for Paul...
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Mr. Spock:
RMartinez:
Except for the joy of performing, I wonder what Paul's motivation for doing this gig is? Maybe the money.
Actually the timing would be perfect to promote (and play) his new single, which should be dropping around that time.... This is a great venue to get young music listeners who are typically not Macca fans to be exposed to his latest stuff. I think its a great way to generate publicity with this key music demographic. Let's keep in mind that this is the "iTunes and Twitter generation" (lest we forget their reaction to seeing him on the 2012 Grammy's). IMO, he should do a basic setlist of about five songs that would serve as an introduction to his music while still blowing them away. My suggestion: 1. Nineteen Hundred and Eighty Four 2. Helter Skelter 3. New Song 4. Live and Let Die 5. Hey Jude He should also follow this up with a couple of high-profile interviews/TV appearances (e.g. Oprah, Barbara Walters, GMA, etc) and then another remix of one of his more recent MAF or EA tracks by a renown contemporary DJ/producer (e.g. Benny Benassi) in the vein of "Out of Sight." This would assure that his new single has a fighting chance to reach a decent position in the top 100 charts, which would be a huge accomplishment in itself for a musician his age and would raise the prospects of the entire album in the process (especially if the single gets nominated for a Grammy). This looks like its going to be an exciting year for Paul...
I think that was a book by George Orwell.
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Nancy R:
Mr. Spock:
RMartinez:
Except for the joy of performing, I wonder what Paul's motivation for doing this gig is? Maybe the money.
Actually the timing would be perfect to promote (and play) his new single, which should be dropping around that time.... This is a great venue to get young music listeners who are typically not Macca fans to be exposed to his latest stuff. I think its a great way to generate publicity with this key music demographic. Let's keep in mind that this is the "iTunes and Twitter generation" (lest we forget their reaction to seeing him on the 2012 Grammy's). IMO, he should do a basic setlist of about five songs that would serve as an introduction to his music while still blowing them away. My suggestion: 1. Nineteen Hundred and Eighty Four 2. Helter Skelter 3. New Song 4. Live and Let Die 5. Hey Jude He should also follow this up with a couple of high-profile interviews/TV appearances (e.g. Oprah, Barbara Walters, GMA, etc) and then another remix of one of his more recent MAF or EA tracks by a renown contemporary DJ/producer (e.g. Benny Benassi) in the vein of "Out of Sight." This would assure that his new single has a fighting chance to reach a decent position in the top 100 charts, which would be a huge accomplishment in itself for a musician his age and would raise the prospects of the entire album in the process (especially if the single gets nominated for a Grammy). This looks like its going to be an exciting year for Paul...
I think that was a book by George Orwell.
Thanks for catching that, Nancy! Editing it now...
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Not my point Alvita and Audi...of course there will be fans at these things but in the overall scheme..a few hundred out of 10's of thousands is a very small percentage because most of them are there to see other acts and see as many as they can. A regular Paul concert is basically all fans outdoor or indoor not a small portion. I'm not knocking the festival experience, I've been to a few and they are great. But the big payoff for Paul is winning over new fans when he plays these things because that's the biggest portion of the crowd.
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The weirdest part of this festival is how he was added after it was sold out, like even the most casual of fans will look at Bonnaroo or OL and go I haven't seen him that would be cool these people bought the tickets based on other people and not him so it will be interesting to see the crowd reaction to his setlist.
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yeah, when I heard about him doing this several weeks ago, I immediately pulled up the site to see that it was already sold out to my chagrin. It was perfect, I'm already off that whole weekend, love Vegas but not to be. I think that while you won't see many new songs in however long his set will be, I think that you will at least see the lead single in the set. Time will tell for sure.
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Bob Gannon:
Not my point Alvita and Audi...of course there will be fans at these things but in the overall scheme..a few hundred out of 10's of thousands is a very small percentage because most of them are there to see other acts and see as many as they can. A regular Paul concert is basically all fans outdoor or indoor not a small portion. I'm not knocking the festival experience, I've been to a few and they are great. But the big payoff for Paul is winning over new fans when he plays these things because that's the biggest portion of the crowd.
Sorry Bob, but you are absolutely wrong. Those kids we see at festivals, probably know all the words of all SOLO macca and Wings songs better than most people you see at his regular gigs. The younger kids are the ones buying the records, and doing all the research on his career and go back and buy albums from his solo and wings catalog. These are kids who normally wouldn't be able to afford to go to a regular gig, that's why they are so happy to be there and see him for the first time. When you see a 20 year old girl getting emotional to " Another day" it's not because they are nostalgic of the times when they were young in the 60's, they get emotional because they truly admire the Man for all the good reasons. You get a completely different audience at his regular shows. The majority of the people there are baby boomers who are not necessarily fans, but they are just occasional beatle fans who just want to use that as an excuse to have a night out. Up front you get corprorate older people who take up all the good seats and they sit down during helter skelter and yell at people in front of them to sit down ....... then you get the older ladies who want to be there just for the nostalgia of the 60's and they just want to feel young again...... To me that has nothing to do with Macca and Macca being relevant in today's music. We are under estimating macca fan base, but he has a huge following composed by fans ranging from 18-35 years old. And to me those fans are into Macca more for his music and not for the nostalgia. I went to Brooklyn this year, and the audience was so bad that It took away all the fun from the concert. If you see Macca playing more festivals nowadays, it's because he and the band enjoy them more than the regular gigs. You get a more enthusiastic crowd, therefore, the band feeds off the high energy. Also, talking to kids at the two festivals he played this year, the majority of them have never seen Paul before, but they all knew the set list before hand, and they also were angry with the fact that he doesn't change the set list much every night , and they know the stories about Hendrix and stuff already through youtube and DVDs.....so .....
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Don't know what concerts you've been watching Wingsla, cooperate people up front? I've been to over 100 Macca shows and there have been very few venues where "cooperate people" dominate the front section. It's for the most part all fans who are able to dole out the VIP prices. I was at Brooklyn, and from up front..I didn't think the crowd was poor at all nor did the 100's of people I know who were also there and sitting at different locations around the arena. As far as "record buying", that ship has long sailed. The youth of today illegally download their music for the most part. As far as many people knowing the songs...."DUH!!" The Beatles are the biggest and most successful group on the planet..>>EVER! As far as never changing the setlists, if they did their "homework" like you say they do, they would know that he has never made major changes to his setlists. Except this year, this was the biggest change especially while not promoting an album. You are right in one factor, the festival gigs are larger and that does lend more energy to feed off. I was at Quebec City in 2008 and it was bigger than any festival that he has played or will play in term of size. I've never seen that many people at a show . They had to errect screens way behind the stage, in the streets of Qubec City and even across the river. There's sp much nonsense in your post IMO that I don't even know where to begin
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You get a completely different audience at his regular shows. The majority of the people there are baby boomers who are not necessarily fans, but they are just occasional beatle fans who just want to use that as an excuse to have a night out. Up front you get corprorate older people who take up all the good seats and they sit down during helter skelter and yell at people in front of them to sit down ....... then you get the older ladies who want to be there just for the nostalgia of the 60's and they just want to feel young again...... To me that has nothing to do with Macca and Macca being relevant in today's music. WTF ! The majority are baby boomers that aren't fans ?? First what's wrong with being a baby boomer? You probably think we are to old to go to concerts,god forbid someone sits down..And yea I'm one of those "older ladies" that goes to Macca concerts,It has nothing to do with wanting to feel young again.It has to do with being with Paul from every phase of his career & his life & always will. I go there to spend 3 hours with the man & his music,Sorry I take up the good seats for you... My 3rd row seats were great,except for the 2 in front of me- they won their tickets- in their 20's & spent the entire concert taking pictures of themselves at the show ! That was more important to them. You are so wrong with your remarks Thank You Bob Gannon for your words of wisdom, as always !
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That's exactly what I mean. College students/ high school students, gosh, even young working professionals don't have the means to dish out $2,000 or $1,500 for the VIP package. People who usually buy those packages , the vast majority are over 50 years old. As far as record buying.... I talked to a 20 year old guy last Friday at osl, he happened to be a bonnaroo too, he told me that he didn't know " listen to what the man said " but as soon as he heard it at bonnaroo, he loved it so much that we went out and bough Venus and mars after researching the song. That s just one example. The majority of the younger fans are actually into vinyls, and yes, they download but legally. The percentage who download illegally is actually not that high. If you ask those kids at festivals " do you like flowers in the dirt " or " driving rain " they will know exactly what you mean....and they will be so excited to discuss all the albums with you. I asked this older man in Vegas in 2011 if he liked " electric arguments " he looked at me like if I had 3 heads..... So, it s not true that you don't get real fans at festivals. At fests you get much younger fans who are as or much more into Macca than at his regular shows.
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There s nothing wrong with baby boomers. But I don't agree with bob's statement saying that at festivals you don't get real fans. Completely disagree with that statement!!!!!! Playing the I heart festival is a brilliant idea...... We are under estimating his fan base... But he has a huge following amongst people 18-35 year olds. Even Brian said that playing coachella and other festivals has helped Paul gain more fans..... So there you go.
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Wingsla:
Bob Gannon:
Not my point Alvita and Audi...of course there will be fans at these things but in the overall scheme..a few hundred out of 10's of thousands is a very small percentage because most of them are there to see other acts and see as many as they can. A regular Paul concert is basically all fans outdoor or indoor not a small portion. I'm not knocking the festival experience, I've been to a few and they are great. But the big payoff for Paul is winning over new fans when he plays these things because that's the biggest portion of the crowd.
Sorry Bob, but you are absolutely wrong. Those kids we see at festivals, probably know all the words of all SOLO macca and Wings songs better than most people you see at his regular gigs. The younger kids are the ones buying the records, and doing all the research on his career and go back and buy albums from his solo and wings catalog. These are kids who normally wouldn't be able to afford to go to a regular gig, that's why they are so happy to be there and see him for the first time. When you see a 20 year old girl getting emotional to " Another day" it's not because they are nostalgic of the times when they were young in the 60's, they get emotional because they truly admire the Man for all the good reasons. You get a completely different audience at his regular shows. The majority of the people there are baby boomers who are not necessarily fans, but they are just occasional beatle fans who just want to use that as an excuse to have a night out. Up front you get corprorate older people who take up all the good seats and they sit down during helter skelter and yell at people in front of them to sit down ....... then you get the older ladies who want to be there just for the nostalgia of the 60's and they just want to feel young again...... To me that has nothing to do with Macca and Macca being relevant in today's music. We are under estimating macca fan base, but he has a huge following composed by fans ranging from 18-35 years old. And to me those fans are into Macca more for his music and not for the nostalgia. I went to Brooklyn this year, and the audience was so bad that It took away all the fun from the concert. If you see Macca playing more festivals nowadays, it's because he and the band enjoy them more than the regular gigs. You get a more enthusiastic crowd, therefore, the band feeds off the high energy. Also, talking to kids at the two festivals he played this year, the majority of them have never seen Paul before, but they all knew the set list before hand, and they also were angry with the fact that he doesn't change the set list much every night , and they know the stories about Hendrix and stuff already through youtube and DVDs.....so .....
Wingsla, where have you been all my life?
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Wingsla, Nowhere did I say that you don't get real fans at the festivals. Look back and read more carefully. My point is at those things there are less people going specifically for Paul. Of course fans will go out to th festivals specifically to see Paul but the percentage in the audience is much less than a typical Paul Mccartney concert. let's face it, a huge section of his fanbase is old and not many of them are going to stand in a general admission scenario, although some will. My point was, at these things whatyou get are more of a general music fans, by no means ignorant to Paul or the Beatles but to a lot of them it is more a bonus than the reason for going to the festival. Let's face it, the headliners are usually amongst the last to be announced, these festivals are geared to younger fans as are the groups generally invited to play. It's big bang fo your buck to see all of these acts in one venue even if it is over several days. And there you go in your own statement agreeing with what I originally posted, these festivals are exactly where he picks up new fans. That was my intial point on agreeing with the decision to do IHeart festival. I think you missed something there. What I did say was there was a much smaller percentage of the people in the crowd specifically there just to see Paul where at a Paul concert like at one of his regular shows...100% of the people are there to specifically see Paul regardless of how big, little or otherwise a fan they are. It wasn't exactly what you meant, you said up front was cooperate non fans. that' s a complete falsehood. Where I agree that a college student can't afford those tickets at this point in their life, those 50 year olds were once in your postion and could only afford cheaper seats. Hell, a lot of the 108 shows I've seen were from the cheapseats. But now I'm at a point in my life where I can splurge on good seats. Never said it made me or others who do that better fans, just fans with more means. I don't under estimate his fan base at all. I will always chat with younger fans and ask what they thought. Always interesting to me. I would dare to say if you polled many of the tens of thousands of fans at Bonnaroo or Outside Lands, a very small percentage would know obscure tracks. Having said that, the young fans that are aware of his catalog and fans will not only know those songs, but love them. I havespoken to many younger music fans that wouldn't know a Macca song if it hit them in the face or care at all. And yes, illegal downloading by younger and older fans have beaten the record industry to a pulp. Artists no longer make alot of money on solely record sales, the money is in touring. Just a fact! The ability to get music for free has destroyed the music industry. Any industry person will agree. All in All, by your last post...much of what you say is exactly what I said...I don't know what you were reading or how it was misunderstood so wholely. But whatever!!!
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listened to 5 diff radio stations today for a chance to win.. as always it's virtually impossible .. to win via the radio,,, :
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sorry to hear that Harley!!! Isn't that always the way? I hear it will be a very short set anyhoo but the exciting end of that is maybe more than a couple of new songs might get played. I hope he gets brave and does all new songs!
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also Harley...I'll try to get that package out this week!! Got unexpectedly busy!
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Hi Bob, no worries... when you have time- day 3 trying to win via radio lol impossible...
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good luck Harley, Supposedly only a 40-45 minute set but you live close by. I'd go if I won any of the contests but just because I would expect a short set to contain new songs. Would love to get to hear them live for the first time.