Could the new Kanye/McCartney single All Day be his best?
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HaileyMcComet:
The one thing I know about the internet is that anytime you express any opinion, you're going to offend someone somewhere. As far as I've seen, this topic hasn't gotten too crazy. I'm sure if someone starts chanting klan mantras, the moderators will censor it.
Well said. Both of you, Hailey & Hendrix. Some do seem to want to provoke. It's best to leave it alone. I've heard some people on the internet are getting "crazed" about all of this...good thing we all know how to keep it under control here on this thread. But yeah...I'm tired of talking about hip hop. Just not my bag. Or my language.
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Newfan:
I have not read all of the responses but Im in agreement with those who have pointed out the use of the N Word in the song. Ive tried to overlook it, but I could not bring myself to get to Sir Paul's part because I could not get past the first minute of the song. To say that hip hop artists use the word does not justify it in the least. It is a vile word and should not be celebrated. No one would be pleased to hear Sir Paul sing the words: "All Day N%^&%" I know his part comes at the end and he doesnt say it but he could not get away with saying that word no matter how beloved he is. No one should say that word. I have tremendous respect for Sir Paul, but I dont like his association with this particular song.
parlance
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A few words from Paul on the origins of the collaboration in this article: http://ultimateclassicrock.com/paul-mccartney-kanye-west-explained/#photogallery-1=50?trackback=tsmclip From the article: As he told NME, it happened while seeing West and Jay Z?s Watch the Throne tour at London?s O2 Arena in 2012. ?I was expecting it to be, ?Oh it?s great, it?s hip-hop, it?s loud?,? he said. ?But I hadn?t until then got the urban poetry aspect. Like, Bob Dylan is a poet. And so is Jay Z and Kanye.? Of course, this doesn't address the particular word we're talking about, but it's something.
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Meanwhile, "All Day" has entered the Billboard Hot 100 at #15, which is higher than either of the other songs debuted, and much higher than "Only One" ever got. Still, I think a song as rough and raw as this (in subject matter) may not have a good chance to endure, or even go any higher than this. There's still a video that has yet to premiere, but the song has been slipping down the iTunes chart. It got attention for sounding more like a typical Kanye track, but I'm not sure if it can really appeal to the masses. And I don't think Paul's involvement makes a lot of difference in its prospects.
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favoritething:
Meanwhile, "All Day" has entered the Billboard Hot 100 at #15, which is higher than either of the other songs debuted, and much higher than "Only One" ever got. Still, I think a song as rough and raw as this (in subject matter) may not have a good chance to endure, or even go any higher than this. There's still a video that has yet to premiere, but the song has been slipping down the iTunes chart. It got attention for sounding more like a typical Kanye track, but I'm not sure if it can really appeal to the masses. And I don't think Paul's involvement makes a lot of difference in its prospects.
Well, if there is a video, I hope it's done by Mel Brooks. He's the only one who could turn the lyrics on its head.
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Jay-Z's "New York" track with Alicia Keys is pretty outstanding, admittedly. Other than that, eh... As far as commercial stuff goes, the hip-hop mogul best suited to perform with Macca -- believe it or not -- is Snoop Dogg. I've noticed that his performances are very melody-based with lots of harmonies. And we know that Paul McCartney can handle r&b riffs ("Momma Miss America," "Write Away," "Voice," etc.), so it's not too far-fetched to hear Macca on a hip-hop/r&b tune like this, for example: Snoop Dogg - Signs [live @ Live 8 2005]:
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audi:
Jay-Z's "New York" track with Alicia Keys is pretty outstanding, admittedly. Other than that, eh... As far as commercial stuff goes, the hip-hop mogul best suited to perform with Macca -- believe it or not -- is Snoop Dogg. I've noticed that his performances are very melody-based with lots of harmonies. And we know that Paul McCartney can handle r&b riffs ("Momma Miss America," "Write Away," "Voice," etc.), so it's not too far-fetched to hear Macca on a hip-hop/r&b tune like this, for example: Snoop Dogg - Signs [live @ Live 8 2005]:
Of course, it can't hurt to have the great Charlie Wilson up on the stage with ya', too...
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favoritething:
Meanwhile, "All Day" has entered the Billboard Hot 100 at #15, which is higher than either of the other songs debuted, and much higher than "Only One" ever got...
File under: Sad commentary
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I actually don't mind Snoop.... I maintain by distaste for the brand of music, but he is at least humble..... well, relatively....and little bits I hear when he is doing other music.... and even acting... I kinda don't mind him..... I would've entertained him a shite load more collaborating with Paul than that other alternative!... that arrogant a-hole alternative.... Snoop seems a little less, let's say, "in your face, arrogant"!
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audi:
Jay-Z's "New York" track with Alicia Keys is pretty outstanding, admittedly. Other than that, eh... As far as commercial stuff goes, the hip-hop mogul best suited to perform with Macca -- believe it or not -- is Snoop Dogg. I've noticed that his performances are very melody-based with lots of harmonies. And we know that Paul McCartney can handle r&b riffs ("Momma Miss America," "Write Away," "Voice," etc.), so it's not too far-fetched to hear Macca on a hip-hop/r&b tune like this, for example: Snoop Dogg - Signs [live @ Live 8 2005]:
True, and Paul's last big hit featuring his own vocals was "Spies Like Us," which definitely has hip-hop elements.
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toris:
I actually don't mind Snoop.... I maintain by distaste for the brand of music, but he is at least humble..... well, relatively....and little bits I hear when he is doing other music.... and even acting... I kinda don't mind him..... I would've entertained him a shite load more collaborating with Paul than that other alternative!... that arrogant a-hole alternative.... Snoop seems a little less, let's say, "in your face, arrogant"!
Plus he and Paul have both engaged in certain, let's say, recreational activities to relax.
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favoritething:
toris:
I actually don't mind Snoop.... I maintain by distaste for the brand of music, but he is at least humble..... well, relatively....and little bits I hear when he is doing other music.... and even acting... I kinda don't mind him..... I would've entertained him a shite load more collaborating with Paul than that other alternative!... that arrogant a-hole alternative.... Snoop seems a little less, let's say, "in your face, arrogant"!
Plus he and Paul have both engaged in certain, let's say, recreational activities to relax.
Yep, both fans of massages.... I hear ya!
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toris:
favoritething:
toris:
I actually don't mind Snoop.... I maintain by distaste for the brand of music, but he is at least humble..... well, relatively....and little bits I hear when he is doing other music.... and even acting... I kinda don't mind him..... I would've entertained him a shite load more collaborating with Paul than that other alternative!... that arrogant a-hole alternative.... Snoop seems a little less, let's say, "in your face, arrogant"!
Plus he and Paul have both engaged in certain, let's say, recreational activities to relax.
Yep, both fans of massages.... I hear ya!
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oobu24:
Hailey & Hendrix
This might be off-topic (not that people seem to mind that on this site), but that's a great name for a band.
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HaileyMcComet:
oobu24:
Hailey & Hendrix
This might be off-topic (not that people seem to mind that on this site), but that's a great name for a band.
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toris:
I actually don't mind Snoop.... I maintain by distaste for the brand of music, but he is at least humble..... well, relatively....and little bits I hear when he is doing other music.... and even acting... I kinda don't mind him..... I would've entertained him a shite load more collaborating with Paul than that other alternative!... that arrogant a-hole alternative.... Snoop seems a little less, let's say, "in your face, arrogant"!
Doesn't Paul kinda have a history of rather enjoying working with "in your face, arrogant" people?
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Hendrix Ibsen:
Yeah, it's engaging, I'm not one of those who dislike political songs and records, I've read that some listeners think John & Yoko's "Sometime in New York City" is hopelessly dated, 70s way of thinking... but I just listen to the themes and record for what it is, "The Luck of the Irish" has a beautiful melody... But anyway, the thing with me and the n word is that I feel somewhat like an outsider and yet it's Paul McCartney, I feel a need to express opinions about his recordings, but it's also a bit touchy and I don't want to step on someone's toes.
They clearly didn't particularly care about stepping on anyone's toes when they made the song, so why should you. Isn't everyone worrying too much about the lyrics?. What's the big deal?, it's the same thing as gay people calling each other "f*ggot". Maybe it isn't a great idea, but I don't see the big deal either. Whether any word is horrible or not has to do, as always, with the intent.
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JoeySmith:
yankeefan7:
audi:
yankeefan7:
JoeySmith:
yankeefan7:
"But, no -- white folks using the "n-word" (in either incarnation) directly at black folks is ill-advised" IMO - McCartney being on this record is just as bad because it is like he approves of it being used and he is a white man. I also think this is amazing from the man who tells us the story of the song "Blackbird" being about the Civil Rights struggle and then finds it no problem "rolling with it" while songs says the term not once but many times.
Lets not forget Lennon used the word in the title of a single in 1972, no less, before hip hop existed.
Yes he did and I thought that was horrible also.
I like the record. And I like the message more, albeit a stark one.
Understood but Mr. Lennon could have made the same point without using that word IMO.
Huh? Lennon got blasted by fans/critics for his 1972 use of the N word in the title of a single. IMO, it was far worse than the All Day single. Lennon was trying to compare women's lib to racial discrimination, which seemed like a ridiculous comparison to me (& obviously influenced by Yoko). Lennon had to apologize & explain what his intent was using the word.
His intent was pretty obvious. Can't believe he had to explain it to begin with. Is anyone actually criticising Paul for being in the song as a white man?. Seriously?. HE doesn't use the word, he simply doesn't judge the use of it by black people, clearly.
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crisstti:
His intent was pretty obvious. Can't believe he had to explain it to begin with.
Sure, the gesture was well-meaning, but it wasn't thought through, and he hurt people in the process. John got flack from Black women at the time who felt - rightly so - they were being erased in the equation. Intent doesn't matter when you've caused offense. Causing offense doesn't mean you're a bad or evil person, but it does mean you should listen to the people who tell you they're offended, understand and apologize, if you are in fact interested in being a genuine ally rather than provoking for publicity's sake. That's the mature way to go about engaging in a complex subject.
Is anyone actually criticising Paul for being in the song as a white man?. Seriously?. HE doesn't use the word, he simply doesn't judge the use of it by black people, clearly.
Yes, seriously. I do have problems with Paul taking part in All Day as a white man. He didn't have to say the word, but his presence constitutes a silent acquiescence. parlance
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And the track sucks the big one. I'm sure Paul McCartney had to reconcile with his own gut that co-signing this obnoxiously n-word-drenched track would disappoint some. I just wish he'd picked a better song.