Is he ignoring the UK
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SusyLuvsPaul:
A theory of mine is that Brits are unusually envious and jealous ...
No, they aren't. There are a lot of reasons why Paul's rep in the UK has been tarnished (some of those reasons are his own fault and some are not) but your "theory" ain't one of them. And it's just insulting to make such generalizations.
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femaleanimal:
I only have to look at forums and Facebook pages belonging to other artists to see how critical and negative Paul`s fans generally are. And that is fans from ALL countries. No one in in a position to be smug. Michelley, not so long ago, you were criticising his hair and saying everyone you spoke to criticised it. How ridiculous and petty. I might add that most artists actually don`t have official fan forums on their websites - certainly not free ones.
Paul fans tend to be honest. Painful at times. and trust me, any celeb with bad hair is going to get criticized. Paul is probably the only guy who gets it, though
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Michelley:
femaleanimal:
I only have to look at forums and Facebook pages belonging to other artists to see how critical and negative Paul`s fans generally are. And that is fans from ALL countries. No one in in a position to be smug. Michelley, not so long ago, you were criticising his hair and saying everyone you spoke to criticised it. How ridiculous and petty. I might add that most artists actually don`t have official fan forums on their websites - certainly not free ones.
Well he would look much better with gray hair, a short beard, and a short haircut. That's just plain fact. But I do agree that Paul's fans, whatever their location, tend to be hypercritical of him, more so than I've seen for other artists. My theory on that: Paul is such a diverse artist and has had so many different careers that fans come to his music from many different places. There are Beatles fans, Wings fans, fans who like solo Paul (1980-present), and others who are huge fans of McCartney II and his Fireman stuff. And then there are those who love certain periods of his career and hate other periods. And each group wants him to do more of the type of music THEY prefer and get irritated at him when he doesn't. And lets face it: He goes his own way and rarely does what any of us want him to do. Many other artists are less diverse in their work, and thus, less divisive for their fans. I'm seeing Paul in July -- for only the second time. This July will mark the 3rd time he's been to my area in 10 years, so I'm luckier than some but not as lucky as others (you people in New York and London are spoiled!)
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I sort of do feel bad for the UK. ..yeah right! hey at least all the good 60's bands came from you. most anyway. I think we've probably had every other decade dating back to Mozart or something Shit I wouldn't doubt Paul would have errant 'boo's' from the UK crowds.. hyper critical it would appear. he doesn't need that. is that what its like in the UK or am I just making this up?
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From what I've seen in U.K. chatrooms and in movies, books and elsewhere, the Brits ( a lot of them, not all, by any means) seem unusually spiteful, jeering, petty-minded and envious at times. I've even heard and read several times that it isn't accepted or the thing to do to be successful in the U.K., you're not supposed to be, or not supposed to make a big show of it, anyway. While in the U.S., more people than not cheer on another's big success and are glad for them. Certainly the most famed celebs such as Elvis are wholeheartedly loved, just about universally beloved in the States, with few or no reservations. We're able to fully appreciate the most deserving stars. We're real good "fans." Somebody like Elvis seems to have the most devoted fans and Paul has fans like that in the U.S. too. Apparently the Latin countries are like that too, able to be "real fans" which is a big part of why Paul prefers to tour there, too and also especially in the U.S.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
From what I've seen in U.K. chatrooms and in movies, books and elsewhere, the Brits ( a lot of them, not all, by any means) seem unusually spiteful, jeering, petty-minded and envious at times. I've even heard and read several times that it isn't accepted or the thing to do to be successful in the U.K., you're not supposed to be, or not supposed to make a big show of it, anyway. While in the U.S., more people than not cheer on another's big success and are glad for them. Certainly the most famed celebs such as Elvis are wholeheartedly loved, just about universally beloved in the States, with few or no reservations. We're able to fully appreciate the most deserving stars. We're real good "fans." Somebody like Elvis seems to have the most devoted fans and Paul has fans like that in the U.S. too. Apparently the Latin countries are like that too, able to be "real fans" which is a big part of why Paul prefers to tour there, too and also especially in the U.S.
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Well what am I supposed to think, I'm always reading about Brits talkin' trash about Paul Mc.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
From what I've seen in U.K. chatrooms and in movies, books and elsewhere, the Brits ( a lot of them, not all, by any means) seem unusually spiteful, jeering, petty-minded and envious at times. I've even heard and read several times that it isn't accepted or the thing to do to be successful in the U.K., you're not supposed to be, or not supposed to make a big show of it, anyway. While in the U.S., more people than not cheer on another's big success and are glad for them. Certainly the most famed celebs such as Elvis are wholeheartedly loved, just about universally beloved in the States, with few or no reservations. We're able to fully appreciate the most deserving stars. We're real good "fans." Somebody like Elvis seems to have the most devoted fans and Paul has fans like that in the U.S. too. Apparently the Latin countries are like that too, able to be "real fans" which is a big part of why Paul prefers to tour there, too and also especially in the U.S.
and Americans come of as overweight gun nuts who like to shoot each other in the media and lately, on the net. or over zealous and self-righteous. It isn't fair to compare the UK's love of Paul with the US love of Elvis. Why? Elvis has been gone for a long time. Paul will also get that love when he's been gone a long time too. and how does one define a 'real fan' of anything? Who is the judge?
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Our problem here in the UK is that 96.7% of us are rabid merciless celeb haters. Well maybe not who knows, but when someone has been at the top for so long & had it so good, the minute a crack appears in their popularity or " talent" the games up & that is that, we very rarely give undying unconditional love to our "stars" no matter what their past glories are. And if you break his fan base into 3 sections, you have the original fans who gave up buying his product on a mass scale around 1984.........then my crowd 30' ish to mid - late 40's, we proberly are his biggest fan base now as regards buying new/ re-issued stuff or concert goers. Then the young'uns teens - 20' ish.....maybe hit a peak in the late 90's but are proberly falling away again as the oasis type bands now seem old hat now. He's a Beatle so even over here his fame is secured forever more, but it ebbs away ever so slightly as the years go by, just because people who saw it first hand fade away & the rest of us can only wonder how mad - strong -crazy - powerful it must have been to be there as it happened, to the younger generation its just a story.
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Kathryn O:
SusyLuvsPaul:
From what I've seen in U.K. chatrooms and in movies, books and elsewhere, the Brits ( a lot of them, not all, by any means) seem unusually spiteful, jeering, petty-minded and envious at times. I've even heard and read several times that it isn't accepted or the thing to do to be successful in the U.K., you're not supposed to be, or not supposed to make a big show of it, anyway. While in the U.S., more people than not cheer on another's big success and are glad for them. Certainly the most famed celebs such as Elvis are wholeheartedly loved, just about universally beloved in the States, with few or no reservations. We're able to fully appreciate the most deserving stars. We're real good "fans." Somebody like Elvis seems to have the most devoted fans and Paul has fans like that in the U.S. too. Apparently the Latin countries are like that too, able to be "real fans" which is a big part of why Paul prefers to tour there, too and also especially in the U.S.
and Americans come of as overweight gun nuts who like to shoot each other in the media and lately, on the net. or over zealous and self-righteous. It isn't fair to compare the UK's love of Paul with the US love of Elvis. Why? Elvis has been gone for a long time. Paul will also get that love when he's been gone a long time too. and how does one define a 'real fan' of anything? Who is the judge?
I think a lot of people in the US were critizing Michael Jackson...one example.
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oobu24:
Kathryn O:
SusyLuvsPaul:
From what I've seen in U.K. chatrooms and in movies, books and elsewhere, the Brits ( a lot of them, not all, by any means) seem unusually spiteful, jeering, petty-minded and envious at times. I've even heard and read several times that it isn't accepted or the thing to do to be successful in the U.K., you're not supposed to be, or not supposed to make a big show of it, anyway. While in the U.S., more people than not cheer on another's big success and are glad for them. Certainly the most famed celebs such as Elvis are wholeheartedly loved, just about universally beloved in the States, with few or no reservations. We're able to fully appreciate the most deserving stars. We're real good "fans." Somebody like Elvis seems to have the most devoted fans and Paul has fans like that in the U.S. too. Apparently the Latin countries are like that too, able to be "real fans" which is a big part of why Paul prefers to tour there, too and also especially in the U.S.
and Americans come of as overweight gun nuts who like to shoot each other in the media and lately, on the net. or over zealous and self-righteous. It isn't fair to compare the UK's love of Paul with the US love of Elvis. Why? Elvis has been gone for a long time. Paul will also get that love when he's been gone a long time too. and how does one define a 'real fan' of anything? Who is the judge?
I think a lot of people in the US were critizing Michael Jackson...one example.
and a good one. Tom Cruise another
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Paul gets criticized alot and then people wonder why he was so petty with switching the songwriting credits from Lennon McCartney to McCartney Lennon? This is why he acts this way. People accuse him of being mellow and then when he played with Nirvana Courtney Love wasn't happy. He gets called a issiy if he is soft but if he tries to rock hard they think he is trying to upstage John and he gets accused of being arrogant. Damned if he does Damned if he doesn't.
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Is he ignoring the UK? Probably. But then he's ignoring half the planet each time he tours...
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I think part of the criticism of Paul here in the U.K is that he comes across as a bit shallow, or a bit fake - and that he is past his best. This might seem completely ridiculous to people from other countries, but I think that a lot of the hostility has to do with his hair and his face-lift. Crazy as it sounds, Brits really really don't like facelifts and people dying their hair in an obvious way as it comes across as symbolic of some kind of fakery. Yes, it's a silly point of view, but take that, coupled with the almost over-glossy nature of what many people have seen from his live set and you can sort of understand the criticism. Remember, most Brits have no idea whatsoever about the amazing back catalogue he has and think that he only did something in The Beatles, so when he then goes out and seemingly only plays Beatles songs on live t.v, coupled with the other stuff, you have the roots of the criticism. He doesn't deserve it though and he is a national treasure.
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Might be something in that. As an Aussie, I know Brits well. I suspect his driving around Beverly Hills etc, in his gym gear would go over like a lead balloon there. For all intents and purposes he's almost a yank now isn't he? George was the only one who really remained very British (if you get my drift.) Maybe there's a backlash in the UK because they perceive him to not be one of "theirs" anymore? Not sure. He's everywhere you look these days - which can't be helped, mobile phones etc...I'm sure he's getting on and enjoying life, but in doing so he's filling news space all the time - hence overexposed, yes. And his hair - yeah something has to be done!!! Hey, I'm an Aussie, we love the poms and the yanks!!! This is not a us versus them thing...just throwing some theories out there.
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Nice to see that all the Americans on this thread are really pleased that Paul is playing in the USA, dont give a crap to peoiple in the UK that also want to see Paul play and have a really bad opinion on all Brits in general!
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Boggle:
Nice to see that all the Americans on this thread are really pleased that Paul is playing in the USA, dont give a crap to peoiple in the UK that also want to see Paul play and have a really bad opinion on all Brits in general!
ALL the Americans? Sorry but please re-read the thread. There was only one American here who was sharing negative opinions about Brits. And multiple people disagreed with her. Accusing all of us is no better than that poster accusing all of you. Of course I'm pleased Paul's show is coming to my area. He hasn't been here in 4 years. But I'm not rooting against him touring in the UK. To quote myself from the very first page of this thread: "I hope he eventually decides to do some shows in the UK. But I can see why he'd want to give it time."
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Boggle:
Nice to see that all the Americans on this thread are really pleased that Paul is playing in the USA, dont give a crap to peoiple in the UK that also want to see Paul play and have a really bad opinion on all Brits in general!
EXCUSE ME? I'm an American who has stood up to some of those that made uninformed and nasty comments about the Brits on this thread. go back and check if you don't believe me.
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Kathryn O:
Boggle:
Nice to see that all the Americans on this thread are really pleased that Paul is playing in the USA, dont give a crap to peoiple in the UK that also want to see Paul play and have a really bad opinion on all Brits in general!
EXCUSE ME? I'm an American who has stood up to some of those that made uninformed and nasty comments about the Brits on this thread. go back and check if you don't believe me.
Really. It was only one American. Take it up with her.
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People of fame always have more popularity away from their home. For those who read the Bible, you'll read that even Jesus wasn't as welcomed in His home town. It's just part of the human dynamic for some weird reason. As popular as Elvis was in the U.S., he was even more popular in the U.K. (if I remember correctly). Let me just say this: I've been following Paul's career since 1963. He has always had a spirit of wanting to do the right thing. Sometimes we don't always know what that is, and at times we all make mistakes along the way - after all, we are human. But, the big problem some people make when it comes to this subject is focusing on all the little gaffes someone like Paul may have made, then magnifying them out of proportion to the point of not being able to see his gifts. It's the opposite of seeing someone with rose-colored glasses. Instead they only see through blurry lenses - a distorted negativity sets in. My advice for everyone in the world is to look at the musical creativity this man has had, and still does. One only needs to read his Wikipedia to see his history. Also, blow away the smoke and see what a great role model he has been. I fail to see how anyone can not see what a positive individual Paul McCartney is. His only weakness is wanting to please. People should be proud to be living in his day - no matter where they are. That's how I see it.