And now the time is near....
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Sir Guy Grand:
My mum thought he looked ill , she asked me if he had heart problems , she said he looks just like your dad with those thin blue lips . My dad as heart failure and as those thin blue lips like Paul . I hadn't thought about this , but looking at him in the line up at the end of the show he doesn't look well . At 70 i think he's over doing it , and needs to take a rest .
Gotta agree with you Sir Guy, I thought Paul was either ill or its the face-jobs which are becoming more noticeable, I wish Paul would grow old gracefully in the way nature intended.
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Macsback:
Sir Guy Grand:
My mum thought he looked ill , she asked me if he had heart problems , she said he looks just like your dad with those thin blue lips . My dad as heart failure and as those thin blue lips like Paul . I hadn't thought about this , but looking at him in the line up at the end of the show he doesn't look well . At 70 i think he's over doing it , and needs to take a rest .
Gotta agree with you Sir Guy, I thought Paul was either ill or its the face-jobs which are becoming more noticeable, I wish Paul would grow old gracefully in the way nature intended.
It's totally superficial but I think his approval ratings would go up massively if he either stopped dyeing his hair, or at the very least, dyed it gray (rather than the stark white hair his brother seems to have). His vanity about his hair has just been working against him. It looked terrible during the show -- both the color and the cut. And a little bit of a gray beard would hide the jowls! But I agree, he did not look well. I've seen plenty of photos where he looks in good health lately but he looked haggard at the Jubilee. Maybe it was bad lighting. Or maybe he was ill. I just hope it was only a cold and nothing serious.
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Michelley:
Macsback:
Sir Guy Grand:
My mum thought he looked ill , she asked me if he had heart problems , she said he looks just like your dad with those thin blue lips . My dad as heart failure and as those thin blue lips like Paul . I hadn't thought about this , but looking at him in the line up at the end of the show he doesn't look well . At 70 i think he's over doing it , and needs to take a rest .
Gotta agree with you Sir Guy, I thought Paul was either ill or its the face-jobs which are becoming more noticeable, I wish Paul would grow old gracefully in the way nature intended.
It's totally superficial but I think his approval ratings would go up massively if he either stopped dyeing his hair, or at the very least, dyed it gray (rather than the stark white hair his brother seems to have). His vanity about his hair has just been working against him. It looked terrible during the show -- both the color and the cut. And a little bit of a gray beard would hide the jowls! But I agree, he did not look well. I've seen plenty of photos where he looks in good health lately but he looked haggard at the Jubilee. Maybe it was bad lighting. Or maybe he was ill. I just hope it was only a cold and nothing serious.
I was going to mention the hair, that's something we've touched on here before, you're right, he should add a touch of grey to at least make it look more natural, imo there is nothing worse than youngish locks on an elderly face, Cliff Richard proved that and sadly its the same with Paul.
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Sir Guy Grand:
My mum thought he looked ill , she asked me if he had heart problems , she said he looks just like your dad with those thin blue lips . My dad as heart failure and as those thin blue lips like Paul . I hadn't thought about this , but looking at him in the line up at the end of the show he doesn't look well . At 70 i think he's over doing it , and needs to take a rest .
YOu've officially scared me
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kedame:
The thing that hurts the most is hearing people denigrate him, saying he never had it to begin with, or "John would never have done the Jubilee..." Oh, please...as if they know what John Lennon would do. He barely knew what he would do from one minute to the next!
Yeah those people amused me. Were they referring to John Lennon MBE?
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He was just a bit tired from all his activities and the excitements. Think it's about time all these "and now the time is near" type subjects come to a schreeching halt. Build him up, instead of tear him down. When you love someone you want only to encourage, inspire and fortify them and concentrate on their special qualities. You might say "I don't love him, I only love his music." Then focus on what you love about the music so you'll derive the greatest pleasure from what's already so pleasurable and has been recorded to listen to now and for posterity, what sounds near-perfect. Don't expect that studio near perfection to be duplicated in a live t.v. or concert setting. Don't expect so much, be realistic. I don't understand it when fans seem to almost get off on criticizing and downright disparaging their favorite musicians. If the musician is totally washed up and has lost their talent, can't sing at all or play well or create anymore, point that out then. McCartney is very far from that sad state of affairs. He can be almost always completely enjoyed on his records, in person in concert, and at least off and on in his t.v. appearances. That should be enough, more than enough to still consider him musically viable.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
He was just a bit tired from all his activities and the excitements. Think it's about time all these "and now the time is near" type subjects come to a schreeching halt. Build him up, instead of tear him down. When you love someone you want only to encourage, inspire and fortify them and concentrate on their special qualities. You might say "I don't love him, I only love his music." Then focus on what you love about the music so you'll derive the greatest pleasure from what's already so pleasurable and has been recorded to listen to now and for posterity, what sounds near-perfect. Don't expected that studio near perfection to be duplicated in a live t.v. or concert setting. Don't expect so much, be realistic. I don't understand it when fans seem to almost get off on criticizing and downright disparaging their favorite musicians. If the musician is totally washed up and has lost their talent, can't sing at all or play well or create anymore, point that out then. McCartney is very far from that sad state of affairs.
You really don't get it do you! You say the same thing everytime a topic like this comes up. People aren't saying these things because they dislike Paul and/or his music. I won't speak for everyone but I have said what I have said here because I love Paul and his music. He is the greatest singer/songwriter/composer/musician/multi instrumentalist etc the world has ever seen. But I don't want him to get slaughtered by the ignorant small minded people in the UK who love to slag him off without knowing anything about him. I also want to see him write new songs (the talent he has will never go) and I want him to record new records to show the world that he is still the best. However, as he nears 70 it is only science that his voice isn't as good as it was 40 years ago. Its not his fault but he could cut down on touring and concentrate and new material then come back and tour with a new album and new songs if that's what he wants to keep doing. "When you love someone you want only to encourage, inspire and fortify them and concentrate on their special qualities." BTW You also want to protect them.
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TheMajor:
kedame:
The thing that hurts the most is hearing people denigrate him, saying he never had it to begin with, or "John would never have done the Jubilee..." Oh, please...as if they know what John Lennon would do. He barely knew what he would do from one minute to the next!
Yeah those people amused me. Were they referring to John Lennon MBE?
Bet he'd do it if they let Yoko sing on stage.
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CMackbird:
SusyLuvsPaul:
He was just a bit tired from all his activities and the excitements. Think it's about time all these "and now the time is near" type subjects come to a schreeching halt. Build him up, instead of tear him down. When you love someone you want only to encourage, inspire and fortify them and concentrate on their special qualities. You might say "I don't love him, I only love his music." Then focus on what you love about the music so you'll derive the greatest pleasure from what's already so pleasurable and has been recorded to listen to now and for posterity, what sounds near-perfect. Don't expected that studio near perfection to be duplicated in a live t.v. or concert setting. Don't expect so much, be realistic. I don't understand it when fans seem to almost get off on criticizing and downright disparaging their favorite musicians. If the musician is totally washed up and has lost their talent, can't sing at all or play well or create anymore, point that out then. McCartney is very far from that sad state of affairs.
You really don't get it do you! You say the same thing everytime a topic like this comes up. People aren't saying these things because they dislike Paul and/or his music. I won't speak for everyone but I have said what I have said here because I love Paul and his music. He is the greatest singer/songwriter/composer/musician/multi instrumentalist etc the world has ever seen. But I don't want him to get slaughtered by the ignorant small minded people in the UK who love to slag him off without knowing anything about him. I also want to see him write new songs (the talent he has will never go) and I want him to record new records to show the world that he is still the best. However, as he nears 70 it is only science that his voice isn't as good as it was 40 years ago. Its not his fault but he could cut down on touring and concentrate and new material then come back and tour with a new album and new songs if that's what he wants to keep doing. "When you love someone you want only to encourage, inspire and fortify them and concentrate on their special qualities." BTW You also want to protect them.
yes cmack great post. some people will always get the wrong end of the stick. infact if you think about it for a minute.imagine if something terrible health wise did happen to paul on stage whilst hes out there putting it all on the line in these never ending 3hr live gigs. would these people busy defending his every move feel comfortable with their 'how dare you' stance? not as serious but also what if mccartney's reputation become stained by another 10 years or so of awfull singing in a live context?....how would the 'how dare you' brigade view that?. ultimately touring at pauls age and current performance level can only do harm in my opinion...okay he may still make many people happy for an evening and you can guarantee he will make heaps of cash. in the same way paul himself has publicaly stated on many occasions how he is a great fan of 'elvis' early years but not so fond of his latter period,i believe a similar anology could be waiting for paul. live gigs aint the be all and end all.infact for me the shine went a few years ago with regards mccartney and his 'through the motions' band. time for a new chapter,time to put your feet up paul and stay creative in a less public way.......but of course all this is only my opinion,im just glad that more and more members on here are seeing it that way. the tide has turned for sure!
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Plenty of people on this site still want him to tour. That tide hasn't turned. And plenty of people went to his shows -- recent shows -- where they deeply enjoyed his performance. That doesn't mean they went in naively expecting him to sound like he did at 30. Maybe they went to his shows knowing exactly how he sings today and enjoying him for who he is now. I don't see why he should stop touring just because some people want to be nostalgic for how he USED to sound. That's a different sort of nostalgia than the Beatles fans but it's nostalgia just the same. And if you don't like his voice, you have your records to listen to. I'm repeating myself but that hasn't stopped anyone else here so here goes: Whatever individual people here think of the set lists or his band (yada yada yada), that's a whole different thing from singing on TV at the Jubilee or at the Olympics -- where every missed note is magnified and where millions of people are watching and waiting for you to make a mis-step so they can rant on Twitter. These major gigs televised nationally or globally are just asking for trouble and doing damage to his reputation. All I'm saying: Cut these TV gigs. Focus on albums and tours. And step away from the spotlight in the UK where people seem unable to cut him a break.
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Michelley:
Plenty of people on this site still want him to tour. That tide hasn't turned. And plenty of people went to his shows -- recent shows -- where they deeply enjoyed his performance. That doesn't mean they went in naively expecting him to sound like he did at 30. Maybe they went to his shows knowing exactly how he sings today and enjoying him for who he is now. I don't see why he should stop touring just because some people want to be nostalgic for how he USED to sound. That's a different sort of nostalgia than the Beatles fans but it's nostalgia just the same. And if you don't like his voice, you have your records to listen to. I'm repeating myself but that hasn't stopped anyone else here so here goes: Whatever individual people here think of the set lists or his band (yada yada yada), that's a whole different thing from singing on TV at the Jubilee or at the Olympics -- where every missed note is magnified and where millions of people are watching and waiting for you to make a mis-step so they can rant on Twitter. These major gigs televised nationally or globally are just asking for trouble and doing damage to his reputation. All I'm saying: Cut these TV gigs. Focus on albums and tours. And step away from the spotlight in the UK where people seem unable to cut him a break.
what your suggesting is a bit of a cop out 'michelley'. why should he 'cut the TV gigs'?..why the concert the other night wasnt a TV gig it was a concert that happened to be shown live on TV. so what you are really saying is you are happy for mccartney to 'tour away' as long as nobody notices how shaky his vocals really are!. i dont even think he sounded any worse than normal the other night..it was an honest view of how he sings live all the time,no worse,no better. ultimately it is his call,if he wants to carry on touring the world then he will...i can only offer my own take and believe me it had nothing to do with the other night. even if he sounded brilliant still on stage i cant believe that hes not completely bored to tears with his live shows....saturation point happened many years ago for me.. i just hope he releases some new material soon.
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Michelley:
That doesn't mean they went in naively expecting him to sound like he did at 30. Maybe they went to his shows knowing exactly how he sings today and enjoying him for who he is now.
Michelley is spot on. I LOVE seeing Paul live and I don't have on rose-colored glasses. He doesn't sound like he did decades ago, but he's a human being. Most performers at any age with any voice will flub here or there in a show--it's to be expected. Most here agree that his voice is usually at its best when he's been playing frequently..so how would putting an end to touring help with his straining from time to time?
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aakiboh:
Michelley:
That doesn't mean they went in naively expecting him to sound like he did at 30. Maybe they went to his shows knowing exactly how he sings today and enjoying him for who he is now.
Michelley is spot on. I LOVE seeing Paul live and I don't have on rose-colored glasses. He doesn't sound like he did decades ago, but he's a human being. Most performers at any age with any voice will flub here or there in a show--it's to be expected. Most here agree that his voice is usually at its best when he's been playing frequently..so how would putting an end to touring help with his straining from time to time?
and of course that is your right alvita. you enjoy his gigs and you want more,i can certainly side with that. however,can you answer me this question....i asked the lovely 'michelley'this in a way but im not sure she answered. 'Is there a point where you would actually say that paul shouldnt sing anymore on stage because his singing was just too poor' ? I know for sure that you dont believe he is anywhere near that,but im just interested to know if you believe there would be a point where he cant do the songs or himself justice and what your reaction would be. Would you still go anyway and have a party and sing along? peace and love
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lazydynamite88:
'Is there a point where you would actually say that paul shouldnt sing anymore on stage because his singing was just too poor' ? I know for sure that you dont believe he is anywhere near that,but im just interested to know if you believe there would be a point where he cant do the songs or himself justice and what your reaction would be. Would you still go anyway and have a party and sing along? peace and love
Let me put it this way: I saw Paul for the first time in August of 2009. My friend and I were both lifelong fans and I had no idea what to expect. We were honestly expecting the worst as far as vocals and quality of performance. I was BLOWN AWAY and I've seen him multiple times since. That November, Bob Dylan came to my university and I went to go see him (granted, I'm a MUCH, much bigger McCartney fan than Dylan fan, but still). That was possibly the worst show I've ever seen and if presented with the opportunity to see him again, I would not. If Paul had disappointed me that first time (or any time since), I can safely say I wouldn't be seeing him anymore (lord knows I can't afford it). And I honestly don't think he will continue to play if he begins to widely disappoint (which he is not, there are always those who are unsatisfied with what he does--for the most part people love his shows) I don't think he's anywhere near a Dylan-esque performance...and (respectfully) I think it's a gross exaggeration to suggest that he is.
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I've noticed the deterioration since the music for Montserrat concert in 1997. At the time I thought it may have been because he hadn't toured since 1993 but it was merely the start of him getting older. I listened back to the 2002 jubilee concert yesterday and couldn't believe how much stronger his vocal was then and amazingly I remember at the time thinking "oh no, his voice is getting weaker". It sounds like he has damaged his voice and every time he performs I'm on edge worrying he isn't going to hit the notes. It annoys me how people think his voice is still as good as it ever was and they think that we are criticising him and saying these things for the sake of it but the fact of the matter is more and more people are noticing his deteriorating vocal it's only a matter of time before his voice becomes so bad on live TV that he won't be able to live it down. Macca isn't the only one who is suffering from the dreaded age process. Elton John, Cliff Richard, Annie Lenox are all getting ropey. Stevie Wonder, Tom Jones and Shirley Bassey seem to be the only ones from that concert who are still churning out stunning performances. I don't want people to remember Paul for dodgy live performances, I want him to be remembered for the amazing vocalist that he once was!!!
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CMackbird:
People aren't saying these things because they dislike Paul and/or his music. I won't speak for everyone but I have said what I have said here because I love Paul and his music. He is the greatest singer/songwriter/composer/musician/multi instrumentalist etc the world has ever seen. But I don't want him to get slaughtered by the ignorant small minded people in the UK who love to slag him off without knowing anything about him. I also want to see him write new songs (the talent he has will never go) and I want him to record new records to show the world that he is still the best. However, as he nears 70 it is only science that his voice isn't as good as it was 40 years ago. Its not his fault but he could cut down on touring and concentrate and new material then come back and tour with a new album and new songs if that's what he wants to keep doing. "When you love someone you want only to encourage, inspire and fortify them and concentrate on their special qualities." BTW You also want to protect them.
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Michelley:
Plenty of people on this site still want him to tour. That tide hasn't turned. And plenty of people went to his shows -- recent shows -- where they deeply enjoyed his performance. That doesn't mean they went in naively expecting him to sound like he did at 30. Maybe they went to his shows knowing exactly how he sings today and enjoying him for who he is now. I don't see why he should stop touring just because some people want to be nostalgic for how he USED to sound. That's a different sort of nostalgia than the Beatles fans but it's nostalgia just the same. And if you don't like his voice, you have your records to listen to. I'm repeating myself but that hasn't stopped anyone else here so here goes: Whatever individual people here think of the set lists or his band (yada yada yada), that's a whole different thing from singing on TV at the Jubilee or at the Olympics -- where every missed note is magnified and where millions of people are watching and waiting for you to make a mis-step so they can rant on Twitter. These major gigs televised nationally or globally are just asking for trouble and doing damage to his reputation. All I'm saying: Cut these TV gigs. Focus on albums and tours. And step away from the spotlight in the UK where people seem unable to cut him a break.
I don't think anybody has said that they are being nostalgic. The people on here who are massive Macca fans are saying that they don't want him getting slaughtered from people who see him for 15 mins every 5 years and think he's done nothing since the beatles. People are saying these songs because they love Paul. You saying cut the Tv gigs and focus on albums and tours is no different to people saying focus on albums only for the time being.
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aakiboh:
lazydynamite88:
'Is there a point where you would actually say that paul shouldnt sing anymore on stage because his singing was just too poor' ? I know for sure that you dont believe he is anywhere near that,but im just interested to know if you believe there would be a point where he cant do the songs or himself justice and what your reaction would be. Would you still go anyway and have a party and sing along? peace and love
Let me put it this way: I saw Paul for the first time in August of 2009. My friend and I were both lifelong fans and I had no idea what to expect. We were honestly expecting the worst as far as vocals and quality of performance. I was BLOWN AWAY and I've seen him multiple times since. That November, Bob Dylan came to my university and I went to go see him (granted, I'm a MUCH, much bigger McCartney fan than Dylan fan, but still). That was possibly the worst show I've ever seen and if presented with the opportunity to see him again, I would not. If Paul had disappointed me that first time (or any time since), I can safely say I wouldn't be seeing him anymore (lord knows I can't afford it). And I honestly don't think he will continue to play if he begins to widely disappoint (which he is not, there are always those who are unsatisfied with what he does--for the most part people love his shows) I don't think he's anywhere near a Dylan-esque performance...and (respectfully) I think it's a gross exaggeration to suggest that he is.
You can't really compare McCartney to Dylan... Dylan was never about the vocals. His voice has never been a great vocal, he had his own style but he was mainly a storyteller.
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aakiboh:
lazydynamite88:
'Is there a point where you would actually say that paul shouldnt sing anymore on stage because his singing was just too poor' ? I know for sure that you dont believe he is anywhere near that,but im just interested to know if you believe there would be a point where he cant do the songs or himself justice and what your reaction would be. Would you still go anyway and have a party and sing along? peace and love
Let me put it this way: I saw Paul for the first time in August of 2009. My friend and I were both lifelong fans and I had no idea what to expect. We were honestly expecting the worst as far as vocals and quality of performance. I was BLOWN AWAY and I've seen him multiple times since. That November, Bob Dylan came to my university and I went to go see him (granted, I'm a MUCH, much bigger McCartney fan than Dylan fan, but still). That was possibly the worst show I've ever seen and if presented with the opportunity to see him again, I would not. If Paul had disappointed me that first time (or any time since), I can safely say I wouldn't be seeing him anymore (lord knows I can't afford it). And I honestly don't think he will continue to play if he begins to widely disappoint (which he is not, there are always those who are unsatisfied with what he does--for the most part people love his shows) I don't think he's anywhere near a Dylan-esque performance...and (respectfully) I think it's a gross exaggeration to suggest that he is.
I obviously can't speak for other artists in other concerts, it could well be the same. But for me, at all my Macca concerts his voice seems to be the last thing I think about. I'm just swept away by the whole experience. It literally is a Magical Mystery Tour. Seeing this man who is the greatest of them all and who is my musical hero just puts me in some sort of trance. But looking back at things on youtube you can pick up on the odd mistake or shaky vocal. Not that there are loads but its there to hear. On the flip side tho, he can still nail a lot of songs and is better later on in a concert. Once his vocals have warmed up.
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DYLAN : BOB DYLAN : really?