And now the time is near....
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Just as I expected, go to bed, wake up and the members of the good ship lollipop have left an abundance of posts attacking those who tell it how it is. :
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lazydynamite88:
Bruce M.:
beatlesfanrandy:
SusyLuvsPaul:
I didn't say anyone wasn't a "fan" on this thread. I do find it bizarre that at this site of all places you can't praise Macca wholeheartedly without being pounced on and his so-called shortcomings pointed out. Many people don't think he sounds all that bad "live" on t.v. But God help you if you dare to say that. Even here. Martin by the way has always backed up what he states with a plethora of facts and statistics, or almost always, seems to almost have the mind of a lawyer or such. He asked where's the "official" proof and statements that Macca is going downhill real bad, and the poster was unable to come up with anything "official." But sneered at Martin anyway. Elton John must have known his voice wasn't up to par but that didn't stop him from singing at the Diamond Jubilee concert. He sounded the worst of anyone I heard that night. I still liked seeing him there. Most people have the sense not to expect rock stars or anyone to look and sound as they did starting out many decades ago. They have empathy and understanding.
We should all know by now Suzy, that Paul has some "Anti-fans" here who carp at his every move. Let's be grateful that Paul chooses to ignore crap like this. I will see him next chance I get and I will love every second of it.
The people who feel disturbed by Paul's vocal decline and prefer to see him go out on top as a live performer rather than be seen as a sad shadow of his former self are NOT "anti-fans." If anything it's the people ignoring reality and chirping mindlessly that Paul can do no wrong are the real anti-fans. True fans have open eyes and open minds, even when what those eyes and minds take in is difficult.
I'll second that.
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Vintage Clothes:
My own take on this is that everyone's view points are valid but that Paul should (and no doubt will) carry on doing whatever he wants to, for as long as humanly possible. I seem to remember him being asked on the Put It There DVD back in '89 if he ever saw a day when he would stop doing music. Didn't he say he wasn't even interested in the question? I think, as Paul fans, we have to accept this - it's part and parcel of the man and his music. And I think the evidence shows he's far from washed up just yet, especially when it comes to songwriting: (I Want To) Come Home, Electric Arguments, Only Our Hearts etc. Now, I accept that this means making music - both on stage and in the studio - that is good and bad (and we all have our views on which is which). But that's the nature of a true artist, surely, and certainly of Paul's career - and I, for one, celebrate it. I accept the good (My Valentine) with the bad (Nod Your Head) - only my opinion!! Whilst it pains me to say it, in my view, Paul's voice has been suffering since I first saw him live in '89. I remember my Dad saying he didn't sound as good as he used to (and I think I kind of knew it too). And only the other day I fished out my CD of Knebworth '90 (one of my very first CDs) and, frankly, didn't think Paul sounded great, especially on Coming Up. But, the thing is, in the intervening 23 years he HAS sounded fantastic, both on record and live. Personally I'd say some of his best singing ever is on Run Devil Run. He's not too shabby on Flaming Pie either, or Back In The US/World. Funny how Paul could sound much better, in my opinion, live in 2002 than he did in 1990! Maybe he's been guilty of over-using his voice over the years, and relying on 'instinct' and the fact that he's NOT musically trained in any way. Perhaps he could have protected his vocal cords more, but then what would we, as fans, missed out on? And, more importantly, would Paul have been happy?? I think, from a singing point of view, Paul should concentrate on singing in the range that works now (I personally think he sounds great on most of Kisses On The Bottom). That perhaps means not insisting on proving he can still sing I'm Down in the original key, which I think would be hard for him (to admit, I mean). I can't blame him - I for one will be over the moon if I have half the energy and vitality Paul has at (nearly) 70! But something probably does have to give, I'd agree with that, and I'd be happy to see Paul really concentrate on his strengths now, in 2012, which for me means writing and recording first and foremost. But I would not agree Paul should ditch the Olympic gig (not that he ever would). And I agree with whoever said there may be an element of overreaction concerning his vocals and performance at the Jubilee. Sorry for rambling.
certainly agree with the majority of your post and i enjoyed your delivery. however you are comparing the knebworth performance 90 to his tour CD from 03 [which is slightly unfair] and you are 'correctly' pointing that 'coming up' was sung better in '03' than '90'. however take a closer look and listen to 1990 circa versions of signiture tunes like of 'hey jude' and 'long and winding' 'let it be' and you will see the naturall ageing and slight worsening of his voice when compared to 2003 circa versions...of course he did sound good in 2003 and i feel that he learned to use his voice better on many songs than he did 11-14 years previous..but his voice was not better at all. in the same way his voice today is nowhere near as good as 10 years ago..time and tide wait for no man and mccartney [despite his 'cliff richard fan club's' insistence is no exception]. as many are simply saying the time may have come for paul to seriously rethink his performances on a live stage.....retire altogether?...certainly not.
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beatlesfanrandy:
He blew away South America and Mexico. Shut the hell up!
I wish more people on this forum would respect others opinions without resorting to name-calling or being rude, what is this primary school? Personally I think Paul needs to get a vocal coach to train his voice a bit more. There's a lot of pressure on him for the Olympics with what could be his largest audience of people watching ever and I really want him to either perform really well and show the naysayers he's still got it or pull out if he's not up to it. This is the same opinion that others in this thread have been sharing, we're saying this because we are huge fans of Paul and know how amazing he can be, we want to see him succeed in what he does and get the acclaim he deserves.
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Macsback:
Just as I expected, go to bed, wake up and the members of the good ship lollipop have left an abundance of posts attacking those who tell it how it is. :
i think it has something to do with the 'timezone' my friend . lets call them the 'loverszone' club.....i could never handle that lyric anyway
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lazydynamite88:
Macsback:
Just as I expected, go to bed, wake up and the members of the good ship lollipop have left an abundance of posts attacking those who tell it how it is. :
i think it has something to do with the 'timezone' my friend . lets call them the 'loverszone' club.....i could never handle that lyric anyway
I 'm glad you are here to keep me on the straight and narrow good call from Maccabeatles tho, it could well be the primary schools have finished up for the summer in the land of make believe
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Vintage Clothes:
My own take on this is that everyone's view points are valid but that Paul should (and no doubt will) carry on doing whatever he wants to, for as long as humanly possible. I seem to remember him being asked on the Put It There DVD back in '89 if he ever saw a day when he would stop doing music. Didn't he say he wasn't even interested in the question? I think, as Paul fans, we have to accept this - it's part and parcel of the man and his music. And I think the evidence shows he's far from washed up just yet, especially when it comes to songwriting: (I Want To) Come Home, Electric Arguments, Only Our Hearts etc. Now, I accept that this means making music - both on stage and in the studio - that is good and bad (and we all have our views on which is which). But that's the nature of a true artist, surely, and certainly of Paul's career - and I, for one, celebrate it. I accept the good (My Valentine) with the bad (Nod Your Head) - only my opinion!! Whilst it pains me to say it, in my view, Paul's voice has been suffering since I first saw him live in '89. I remember my Dad saying he didn't sound as good as he used to (and I think I kind of knew it too). And only the other day I fished out my CD of Knebworth '90 (one of my very first CDs) and, frankly, didn't think Paul sounded great, especially on Coming Up. But, the thing is, in the intervening 23 years he HAS sounded fantastic, both on record and live. Personally I'd say some of his best singing ever is on Run Devil Run. He's not too shabby on Flaming Pie either, or Back In The US/World. Funny how Paul could sound much better, in my opinion, live in 2002 than he did in 1990! Maybe he's been guilty of over-using his voice over the years, and relying on 'instinct' and the fact that he's NOT musically trained in any way. Perhaps he could have protected his vocal cords more, but then what would we, as fans, missed out on? And, more importantly, would Paul have been happy?? I think, from a singing point of view, Paul should concentrate on singing in the range that works now (I personally think he sounds great on most of Kisses On The Bottom). That perhaps means not insisting on proving he can still sing I'm Down in the original key, which I think would be hard for him (to admit, I mean). I can't blame him - I for one will be over the moon if I have half the energy and vitality Paul has at (nearly) 70! But something probably does have to give, I'd agree with that, and I'd be happy to see Paul really concentrate on his strengths now, in 2012, which for me means writing and recording first and foremost. But I would not agree Paul should ditch the Olympic gig (not that he ever would). And I agree with whoever said there may be an element of overreaction concerning his vocals and performance at the Jubilee. Sorry for rambling.
Thanks, no need for me rambling, since you pretty much summed it up for me! Paul's voice has been a "concern" since 1989 and on! When I saw him in Stockholm 89 he was in terrific shape! In the 2nd show, the day after, his voice was terrible, I have both shows on bootleg, and the change is dramatic, he can hardly sing any of the demanding songs, Maybe I'm Amazed is the worst I ever have heard him sing.... And ever since that we've heard a lot of live performances over the years, good and bad. He has a fantastic range still, and when he has a good day can sing high notes with a smooth voice, amazing for being 69! But the TV-shows are unfortunately always a bit nerve-wrecking, for us and him! As I've stated before, my theory is that he's nervous doing the big telly-gigs, and that is bad news for any voice, you must be really relaxed to sing those kind of songs he's doing! Believe me, I have a lot of experience doing live gigs myself! But the change in his voice is evident, especially when he talks, that is natural of course, but I think his smoking habits has damaged his voice more than anything else... I love the voice still, but not so fond of croaky live TV-performances, but he still shines in concert(his own when relaxed) and on record!
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lazydynamite88:
paulfan11:
Bruce M.:
beatlesfanrandy:
SusyLuvsPaul:
I didn't say anyone wasn't a "fan" on this thread. I do find it bizarre that at this site of all places you can't praise Macca wholeheartedly without being pounced on and his so-called shortcomings pointed out. Many people don't think he sounds all that bad "live" on t.v. But God help you if you dare to say that. Even here. Martin by the way has always backed up what he states with a plethora of facts and statistics, or almost always, seems to almost have the mind of a lawyer or such. He asked where's the "official" proof and statements that Macca is going downhill real bad, and the poster was unable to come up with anything "official." But sneered at Martin anyway. Elton John must have known his voice wasn't up to par but that didn't stop him from singing at the Diamond Jubilee concert. He sounded the worst of anyone I heard that night. I still liked seeing him there. Most people have the sense not to expect rock stars or anyone to look and sound as they did starting out many decades ago. They have empathy and understanding.
We should all know by now Suzy, that Paul has some "Anti-fans" here who carp at his every move. Let's be grateful that Paul chooses to ignore crap like this. I will see him next chance I get and I will love every second of it.
The people who feel disturbed by Paul's vocal decline and prefer to see him go out on top as a live performer rather than be seen as a sad shadow of his former self are NOT "anti-fans." If anything it's the people ignoring reality and chirping mindlessly that Paul can do no wrong are the real anti-fans. True fans have open eyes and open minds, even when what those eyes and minds take in is difficult.
Wow it's comments like these that keep me a way from this board a lot. I get so tired of regulars here calling themselves "True Fans" while the rest of us aren't. Not all of us are ignoring reality and saying Paul can do no wrong . (we all know from history he is far from perfect) Some of us just get tired of the endless whining here. Paul re-releases an album and OMG he should have done this and this and this and NOT this. Paul goes on a tour, OMG he should be singing this and this and this. That is one of the reasons why I said above that some folks need to take a step back and relish in all of the wonderful things Paul has given the world in the last 50 years.
dear oh dear. 16 posts in and you are an expert on the messageboard. infact if we abide be your suggested rules there would be nothing left to talk about,hence the board would probably ceases to exist. of course I still feel you are more than entitled to your own viewpoint/stance on this and that is the difference between many of us on here
So suddenly I think I'm an expert because I stated what I observe a lot around here? And just because someone doesn't post all the time doesn't mean they don't read the threads I stayed away from the board for a while but came back to start reading again. In fact last year someone told me that I wasn't a big Paul fan and a brand new fan because i didn't post often. Didn't know being a huge fan of Paul's meant you had to post here constantly, and that is the mentality of some posters on this board.
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Plastic Soul Man:
I am pleased to report that Yoko is an exception. She sounds just the same.
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I am pleased to report that Yoko is an exception. She sounds just the same.
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lazydynamite88:
beatlesfanrandy:
Macca Mad:
I would hope my view is as valid as anyone else's ?! I am a fan.....never said I was a bigger or better fan than anyone else, but I do feel that live perfomances in every aspect ie. song selection, vocals & the band themselves are doing his reputation no favours & unless there is a massive change on all fronts, then the Sinatra route beckons. If you still think Paul is cute & sings like he did ion 64 or 76 great........I dont & neither do alot of people. Studio wise he will come up trumps no doubt & I eagerly await the next release.
He blew away South America and Mexico. Shut the hell up!
no need to be so rude about it.just about sums up your opinion. maccamad is a friend of mine who puts his point over way better than me and certainly not an ignorant unfortunate like yourself.
AGREE! Everyone is mesmorized & swept up in the moment at a live show...nothing like it. But we all do have a right to our own opinion & have the right to voice it...here, there & evrywhere if we want. If no one had a different opinion this would really be a dull & boring message board. I mean...people are supposed to discuss things here.
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Also, I don't think this thread is necessarily about good days and off days vocally, it's more about how his voice has changed in general. Listen to the Mike Yarwood version of Mull Of Kintyre from 1977, Paul sounds really nervous and you can hear it in his vocal, I'd call this an off day, but the quality/timbre of his vocal is no different. Whether Paul is having a good day or not, his voice has aged and there's nothing that can bring that back. However, the problem with Paul's voice is not only to do with the fact that it has changed, it is more to do with the fact that he seems to find it very hard to control his voice. You can hear it cracks when he speaks nowadays, it sounds damaged. He does nearly 3hr gigs all the time with no breaks, he doesn't drink water whilst on stage and I doubt he has really looked after it over the years. When you're at his gigs you don't notice the dodgy notes so much, but it is getting to the point where his TV performances are always going to be ropey (depending on what he sings). I think it's safe to say that he struggles with Live and Let Die now. It's amazing how he's normally good at shouting out the top C part, but it's the quiet parts that don't sound so good because it require more control.
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I think its old father time and over use. Its clear why he sounded better in 2002/03 he hadn't performed regularly since 1993. All he has done really is tour since 2002 as that is where his income comes from compared to his own personal record sales ( I'm not including all the music owns through other artists catalogues etc) I am also staggered that he never drinks on stage, he was once asked the question and his immediate response was "we didn't do it Hamburg never got a break etc" He clearly doesn't look after his voice on stage, which I think when you nearly 70 he needs to rethink his game plan. I listen to a lot of music some of which is rock/metal orientated (using pigeon holes) and all the singers I've seen on stage have bottles upon bottles of water on stage. As as a side issue I also think the years of pot smoking certainly doesn't help vocal chords
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maxpower:
I think its old father time and over use. Its clear why he sounded better in 2002/03 he hadn't performed regularly since 1993. All he has done really is tour since 2002 as that is where his income comes from compared to his own personal record sales ( I'm not including all the music owns through other artists catalogues etc) I am also staggered that he never drinks on stage, he was once asked the question and his immediate response was "we didn't do it Hamburg never got a break etc" He clearly doesn't look after his voice on stage, which I think when you nearly 70 he needs to rethink his game plan. I listen to a lot of music some of which is rock/metal orientated (using pigeon holes) and all the singers I've seen on stage have bottles upon bottles of water on stage. As as a side issue I also think the years of pot smoking certainly doesn't help vocal chords
I agree with you that he never drinks on stage.Just him cuppa before he goes on stage.Surley,if your blasting away at you vocal cords,you need a little lubrication. But i do believe he needs to cut right back on his live performances.No one would sound the same after battering your voice for over 50 years.How many other artists his age(or any age)do a show that lasts the best part of 3 hours.I think if he packed it all in tomorrow.Non of us would begrudge him.He is set in History and nothing will ever change that and he has got nothing to prove to no one.Im just glad that i have to to see him perform and that will do for me.
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garyb1971:
maxpower:
I think its old father time and over use. Its clear why he sounded better in 2002/03 he hadn't performed regularly since 1993. All he has done really is tour since 2002 as that is where his income comes from compared to his own personal record sales ( I'm not including all the music owns through other artists catalogues etc) I am also staggered that he never drinks on stage, he was once asked the question and his immediate response was "we didn't do it Hamburg never got a break etc" He clearly doesn't look after his voice on stage, which I think when you nearly 70 he needs to rethink his game plan. I listen to a lot of music some of which is rock/metal orientated (using pigeon holes) and all the singers I've seen on stage have bottles upon bottles of water on stage. As as a side issue I also think the years of pot smoking certainly doesn't help vocal chords
I agree with you that he never drinks on stage.Just him cuppa before he goes on stage.Surley,if your blasting away at you vocal cords,you need a little lubrication. But i do believe he needs to cut right back on his live performances.No one would sound the same after battering your voice for over 50 years.How many other artists his age(or any age)do a show that lasts the best part of 3 hours.I think if he packed it all in tomorrow.Non of us would begrudge him.He is set in History and nothing will ever change that and he has got nothing to prove to no one.Im just glad that i have to to see him perform and that will do for me.
He drank onstage at the soundcheck so why not during the show?
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oobu24:
garyb1971:
maxpower:
I think its old father time and over use. Its clear why he sounded better in 2002/03 he hadn't performed regularly since 1993. All he has done really is tour since 2002 as that is where his income comes from compared to his own personal record sales ( I'm not including all the music owns through other artists catalogues etc) I am also staggered that he never drinks on stage, he was once asked the question and his immediate response was "we didn't do it Hamburg never got a break etc" He clearly doesn't look after his voice on stage, which I think when you nearly 70 he needs to rethink his game plan. I listen to a lot of music some of which is rock/metal orientated (using pigeon holes) and all the singers I've seen on stage have bottles upon bottles of water on stage. As as a side issue I also think the years of pot smoking certainly doesn't help vocal chords
I agree with you that he never drinks on stage.Just him cuppa before he goes on stage.Surley,if your blasting away at you vocal cords,you need a little lubrication. But i do believe he needs to cut right back on his live performances.No one would sound the same after battering your voice for over 50 years.How many other artists his age(or any age)do a show that lasts the best part of 3 hours.I think if he packed it all in tomorrow.Non of us would begrudge him.He is set in History and nothing will ever change that and he has got nothing to prove to no one.Im just glad that i have to to see him perform and that will do for me.
He drank onstage at the soundcheck so why not during the show?
I think he said he thought it looked unprofessional
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Rupert Bear:
oobu24:
garyb1971:
maxpower:
I think its old father time and over use. Its clear why he sounded better in 2002/03 he hadn't performed regularly since 1993. All he has done really is tour since 2002 as that is where his income comes from compared to his own personal record sales ( I'm not including all the music owns through other artists catalogues etc) I am also staggered that he never drinks on stage, he was once asked the question and his immediate response was "we didn't do it Hamburg never got a break etc" He clearly doesn't look after his voice on stage, which I think when you nearly 70 he needs to rethink his game plan. I listen to a lot of music some of which is rock/metal orientated (using pigeon holes) and all the singers I've seen on stage have bottles upon bottles of water on stage. As as a side issue I also think the years of pot smoking certainly doesn't help vocal chords
I agree with you that he never drinks on stage.Just him cuppa before he goes on stage.Surley,if your blasting away at you vocal cords,you need a little lubrication. But i do believe he needs to cut right back on his live performances.No one would sound the same after battering your voice for over 50 years.How many other artists his age(or any age)do a show that lasts the best part of 3 hours.I think if he packed it all in tomorrow.Non of us would begrudge him.He is set in History and nothing will ever change that and he has got nothing to prove to no one.Im just glad that i have to to see him perform and that will do for me.
He drank onstage at the soundcheck so why not during the show?
I think he said he thought it looked unprofessional
: Let it all hang out Paulie! and take care of those vocal cords!
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Sorry if this sounds cold but it is sorta true. Not for everyone but for some(I talked to in Halifax) ppl want to say they went to the last PM performance..like they expect him to expire very soon! That's sad!! And I found in Pittsburgh..some didn't even want to be there at all!! Like the guy seated by me who wanted everyone to stay seated and be QUIET!! Where did he think he was in a library?!! It shouldn't be that way, but it is! I would love to see him perform one more time...but I also would have loved to have seen the Beatles live! That didn't happen and either will my seeing him live once more! It is true he loves the crowds..but if he only knew why some are going to his show maybe he would preform for smaller crowds, just my opinion of course..
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liverpoolbride:
Sorry if this sounds cold but it is sorta true. Not for everyone but for some(I talked to in Halifax) ppl want to say they went to the last PM performance..like they expect him to expire very soon! That's sad!! ...
I've watched a lot of the Halifax 2010 show online; Paul sounds amazingly great on most of the songs. However, it seemed like he lost the melody on "Highway" but forged onward despite that -- but "Helter Skelter" is one of the best I've heard ever, with no auto-tuning or any other technical crutches.
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lazydynamite88:
beatlesfanrandy:
Macca Mad:
I would hope my view is as valid as anyone else's ?! I am a fan.....never said I was a bigger or better fan than anyone else, but I do feel that live perfomances in every aspect ie. song selection, vocals & the band themselves are doing his reputation no favours & unless there is a massive change on all fronts, then the Sinatra route beckons. If you still think Paul is cute & sings like he did ion 64 or 76 great........I dont & neither do alot of people. Studio wise he will come up trumps no doubt & I eagerly await the next release.
He blew away South America and Mexico. Shut the hell up!
no need to be so rude about it.just about sums up your opinion. maccamad is a friend of mine who puts his point over way better than me and certainly not an ignorant unfortunate like yourself.
Thanks Lazy & all the others who feel the same as I do. Been at work all day, so just seen beatlesfanrandys balanced and gracious reply....must get the address of the charm school they attended. If you think that he is at the top of his game in the live setting these days good for you, but you have set the bar very low in my opinion, almost as low as your manners. Unfortunately I won't shut the hell up just yet, but continue to discuss this thread in a civilised manner ta very much.