THE NEXT DELUXE/REMASTERED ALBUM FROM PAUL
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Yes for London Town & No for Back to the Egg
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DeniseLM227:
wingsdgm:
Get On The Right Thing:
fingers crossed London Town or Back to the Egg are next...
i HOPE you are right
Add me to the chorus. Would love to see those two get the full treatment. But I expect if there are more Archive Collection releases after FITD that the next release will be Flaming Pie. It seems the releases are moving chronologically.
Actually if they were going chronologically order Off The Ground would be next not Flaming Pie.
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SimplyShady:
DeniseLM227:
wingsdgm:
Get On The Right Thing:
fingers crossed London Town or Back to the Egg are next...
i HOPE you are right
Add me to the chorus. Would love to see those two get the full treatment. But I expect if there are more Archive Collection releases after FITD that the next release will be Flaming Pie. It seems the releases are moving chronologically.
Actually if they were going chronologically order Off The Ground would be next not Flaming Pie.
True. But the Archive treatments seem to be reserved for the albums Paul feels strongly about and were well received. Hence Broadstreet and PtP being skipped. No London Town or Back to the Egg. No Wild Life or Red Rose Speedway. Doesn't explain why Pipes of Peace got the treatment, though, unless it is because its sessions overlapped with Tug of War, so to speak. Overall, I think all the solo and Wings' albums should get an Archive release. They don't all need the big book treatment, but it would be great to have demos and B sides for the remaining Wings albums, for example. Seems like the releases for this project had not been properly thought out from the get go. What the fans want and what we will get are two different things, unfortunately.
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I'm surprised Paul is issuing this on its own when he paired up McCartney & McCartney II + Venus & Mars & Wings at The Speed of Sound + Tug of War & Pipes of Peace. At least the latter pair are both stronger records than Flowers in the Dirt. I'm also appalled at the price of the Deluxe and this nonsense about downloads. For the first time in the archive collection, I'm genuinely uncertain as to if I will shell out for this one. I love the record, but I want everything tangible. No two ways about it. This Deluxe edition now seems glaringly incomplete. Anyway, I think it would've made a lot more sense to release this with Off The Ground and bring the price down a bit. I think they'd find it would boost sales for both. As for what's to come next? If it's a single release, I think London Town is the obvious choice. If it's a pair? Then I suppose Back to The Egg would make sense...but Wild Life & Red Rose Speedway would also make sense as a pair to come next.
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WixRocks!:
I'm surprised Paul is issuing this on its own when he paired up McCartney & McCartney II + Venus & Mars & Wings at The Speed of Sound + Tug of War & Pipes of Peace. At least the latter pair are both stronger records than Flowers in the Dirt. I'm also appalled at the price of the Deluxe and this nonsense about downloads. For the first time in the archive collection, I'm genuinely uncertain as to if I will shell out for this one. I love the record, but I want everything tangible. No two ways about it. This Deluxe edition now seems glaringly incomplete. Anyway, I think it would've made a lot more sense to release this with Off The Ground and bring the price down a bit. I think they'd find it would boost sales for both. As for what's to come next? If it's a single release, I think London Town is the obvious choice. If it's a pair? Then I suppose Back to The Egg would make sense...but Wild Life & Red Rose Speedway would also make sense as a pair to come next.
I can't believe that FITD is being issued on its own. This and OTG are like brothers (a clear beginning and end of a period in Paul's career), I'd wish their Archive Collection Issues were both released at the same time.
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I really would like to see Red Rose Speedway out next. Even if its just to get access to the 'Wings over Europe' concert footage, the Bruce McMouse Show and the James Paul McCartney tv special.
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Kestrel:
I really would like to see Red Rose Speedway out next. Even if its just to get access to the 'Wings over Europe' concert footage, the Bruce McMouse Show and the James Paul McCartney tv special.
Not a huge fan of that album but agree that the video footage from that era would be awesome!
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So, lemme get this straight, the only way to get hold of the previously officially released 1989/90 b-sides is to buy the ?100+ Boxset? I have only just come to terms with Tug of War being remixed and sounding off and ridiculously loud in places and only being able to get hold of the original mix on the Boxset, this is taking the biscuit a little bit more. I wouldn't mind if it was possible to download these b-sides legit somewhere, I mean I don't want to do Paul, or the good people at MPL, Capitol or EMI out of any ?'s, but if not I may be forced to develop better relationships with some of you gorgeous people and hopefully come to an understanding where we can "share the love". I am ever so slightly cheesed with this.
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*Perry*:
So, lemme get this straight, the only way to get hold of the previously officially released 1989/90 b-sides is to buy the ?100+ Boxset? I have only just come to terms with Tug of War being remixed and sounding off and ridiculously loud in places and only being able to get hold of the original mix on the Boxset, this is taking the biscuit a little bit more. I wouldn't mind if it was possible to download these b-sides legit somewhere, I mean I don't want to do Paul, or the good people at MPL, Capitol or EMI out of any ?'s, but if not I may be forced to develop better relationships with some of you gorgeous people and hopefully come to an understanding where we can "share the love". I am ever so slightly cheesed with this.
It is a bit of a bummer, there's no doubt about it. Really the fact that there's so much material surrounding FITD seems to have presented them with a bit of a dilemma. I'm sure the core Flowers b-sides (Back on My Feet, Flying to my Home, The First Stone) would have fitted onto the 2nd disc of the 2-CD edition, alongside the Paul-Elvis demos, and perhaps more besides. But to restrict these as download only if you can pay ?100+ is a serious error of judgement. Even chucking a last minute extra disc into the box-sets doesn't address the core issue - that of economic discrimination. Basically, if you're poor, tough. It doesn't matter very much in the end, I suppose. One just ends up feeling ill-used.
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Of course you are quite correct Squid, in the grand scheme of things it's really no big deal. A reissue of a 28 year old album that most everybody who buys it has heard the main content many times before can never be that big of a deal. I'm surprised to see petitions on such things. I could maybe bring myself to afford the Deluxe box, I don't tend to spend hundreds on luxury items, it's no slight on folks that do, I just don't live that lifestyle. Really I have little interest in these books and that is where the main cost comes from. 'Tis just a slight cheese to me that even years after some of these releases there is zero legit way to snap up all the bonus audio. That's mine and I think the petition signers (which I am not one of) real snag here. I have some idea of the way this world opperates, I know Macca hasn't gotten to where he is today by being a crap businessman. Apologies for the rambling post, but still...
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I think the problem for Paul and perhaps his team is that for many years there has been a general consensus that it's a shame his collaboration with Costello didn't result in a more substantial release, a joint album, for example. And the FITD box set is an opportunity to acknowledge that mistake and rectify it. Hence two collaborative discs of acoustic demos and more formal recordings. As an Elvis Costello fan I'm delighted with this, for sure. But I'm also mindful of the purpose of the archive series, which is to bring together the disparate recordings under a single release for posterity. And leaving the b-sides out departs from that purpose. So why pay all that money for something that doesn't do what it claims to do? At the end of the day people are buying shoddy product - not that that was the intention, I believe, but there it is. It is a continuation of the general carelessness we've seen around Paul's legacy for many years.
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Squid:
I think the problem for Paul and perhaps his team is that for many years there has been a general consensus that it's a shame his collaboration with Costello didn't result in a more substantial release, a joint album, for example. And the FITD box set is an opportunity to acknowledge that mistake and rectify it. Hence two collaborative discs of acoustic demos and more formal recordings. As an Elvis Costello fan I'm delighted with this, for sure. But I'm also mindful of the purpose of the archive series, which is to bring together the disparate recordings under a single release for posterity. And leaving the b-sides out departs from that purpose. So why pay all that money for something that doesn't do what it claims to do? At the end of the day people are buying shoddy product - not that that was the intention, I believe, but there it is. It is a continuation of the general carelessness we've seen around Paul's legacy for many years.
you left out the part about it being a bad album in general. oh no! a dissenting opinion. this post won't last long...
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Get On The Right Thing:
Squid:
I think the problem for Paul and perhaps his team is that for many years there has been a general consensus that it's a shame his collaboration with Costello didn't result in a more substantial release, a joint album, for example. And the FITD box set is an opportunity to acknowledge that mistake and rectify it. Hence two collaborative discs of acoustic demos and more formal recordings. As an Elvis Costello fan I'm delighted with this, for sure. But I'm also mindful of the purpose of the archive series, which is to bring together the disparate recordings under a single release for posterity. And leaving the b-sides out departs from that purpose. So why pay all that money for something that doesn't do what it claims to do? At the end of the day people are buying shoddy product - not that that was the intention, I believe, but there it is. It is a continuation of the general carelessness we've seen around Paul's legacy for many years.
you left out the part about it being a bad album in general. oh no! a descending opinion. this post won't last long...
I wouldn't say FITD is a bad album. It's certainly not one of his better efforts, though it might have been with better judgement. It's seriously damaged by the two end-tracks, How Many People and Motor of Love; in fact, Motor of Love is so bad that I can't view it as anything other than self-sabotage. But both tracks have no business being on an album and should have been shelved. They could easily have been replaced by any number of superior tracks that Paul had lying around from his many 87-88 sessions. I remember the fuss around the release of FITD. A lot of people felt Paul had to deliver something special after the commercial failures of Broad Street (the film) and Press to Play. The general consensus was that he did deliver and that FITD was good and more was to come. With the benefit of hindsight we can see that was wishful thinking as we know the execrable Off the Ground was to follow.
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Get On The Right Thing:
Squid:
I think the problem for Paul and perhaps his team is that for many years there has been a general consensus that it's a shame his collaboration with Costello didn't result in a more substantial release, a joint album, for example. And the FITD box set is an opportunity to acknowledge that mistake and rectify it. Hence two collaborative discs of acoustic demos and more formal recordings. As an Elvis Costello fan I'm delighted with this, for sure. But I'm also mindful of the purpose of the archive series, which is to bring together the disparate recordings under a single release for posterity. And leaving the b-sides out departs from that purpose. So why pay all that money for something that doesn't do what it claims to do? At the end of the day people are buying shoddy product - not that that was the intention, I believe, but there it is. It is a continuation of the general carelessness we've seen around Paul's legacy for many years.
you left out the part about it being a bad album in general. oh no! a dissenting opinion. this post won't last long...
The album is very good for the most part but it goes downhill after "This One" with the last few songs -excepting "That day is done" which is excelent.
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FITD is a very uneven record both in terms of style and quality. It works very well when Paul sticks with Beatlesque pop. But then Paul throws in some real clunkers such as Rough Ride, Distractions, How Many People that stops any momentum the album had. So on average there is more good than bad. But it's a missed opportunity to not do the entire album with Elvis as I think the overall result would have been much better.
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JoeySmith:
FITD is a very uneven record both in terms of style and quality. It works very well when Paul sticks with Beatlesque pop. But then Paul throws in some real clunkers such as Rough Ride, Distractions, How Many People that stops any momentum the album had. So on average there is more good than bad. But it's a missed opportunity to not do the entire album with Elvis as I think the overall result would have been much better.
I agree. I feel like if more of the Costello/McCartney songs made it on Flowers, it would be a much, much stronger album.
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I quite like the album and I like Rough Ride and Distractions, particularly the latter. But Motor of Love (at over six minutes) and Ou Est Le Soleil must be two of the weakest tracks to ever close a Paul album. I am divided on How Many People. Sometimes dross, sometimes harmless enough and quite catchy. Put it There is a gem. Probably my favorite song from the album. With My Brave Face.
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toris:
I quite like the album and I like Rough Ride and Distractions, particularly the latter.
Aside from the clunky line about buzzing butterflies, Distractions is my favourite track from FITD (although That Day Is Done is a very close second), and was perhaps one of Paul's better songs from the 1980's.
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Squid:
Get On The Right Thing:
Squid:
I think the problem for Paul and perhaps his team is that for many years there has been a general consensus that it's a shame his collaboration with Costello didn't result in a more substantial release, a joint album, for example. And the FITD box set is an opportunity to acknowledge that mistake and rectify it. Hence two collaborative discs of acoustic demos and more formal recordings. As an Elvis Costello fan I'm delighted with this, for sure. But I'm also mindful of the purpose of the archive series, which is to bring together the disparate recordings under a single release for posterity. And leaving the b-sides out departs from that purpose. So why pay all that money for something that doesn't do what it claims to do? At the end of the day people are buying shoddy product - not that that was the intention, I believe, but there it is. It is a continuation of the general carelessness we've seen around Paul's legacy for many years.
you left out the part about it being a bad album in general. oh no! a descending opinion. this post won't last long...
I wouldn't say FITD is a bad album. It's certainly not one of his better efforts, though it might have been with better judgement. It's seriously damaged by the two end-tracks, How Many People and Motor of Love; in fact, Motor of Love is so bad that I can't view it as anything other than self-sabotage. But both tracks have no business being on an album and should have been shelved. They could easily have been replaced by any number of superior tracks that Paul had lying around from his many 87-88 sessions. I remember the fuss around the release of FITD. A lot of people felt Paul had to deliver something special after the commercial failures of Broad Street (the film) and Press to Play. The general consensus was that he did deliver and that FITD was good and more was to come. With the benefit of hindsight we can see that was wishful thinking as we know the execrable Off the Ground was to follow.
it's definitely better than Press To Play
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Get On The Right Thing:
Squid:
Get On The Right Thing:
Squid:
I think the problem for Paul and perhaps his team is that for many years there has been a general consensus that it's a shame his collaboration with Costello didn't result in a more substantial release, a joint album, for example. And the FITD box set is an opportunity to acknowledge that mistake and rectify it. Hence two collaborative discs of acoustic demos and more formal recordings. As an Elvis Costello fan I'm delighted with this, for sure. But I'm also mindful of the purpose of the archive series, which is to bring together the disparate recordings under a single release for posterity. And leaving the b-sides out departs from that purpose. So why pay all that money for something that doesn't do what it claims to do? At the end of the day people are buying shoddy product - not that that was the intention, I believe, but there it is. It is a continuation of the general carelessness we've seen around Paul's legacy for many years.
you left out the part about it being a bad album in general. oh no! a descending opinion. this post won't last long...
I wouldn't say FITD is a bad album. It's certainly not one of his better efforts, though it might have been with better judgement. It's seriously damaged by the two end-tracks, How Many People and Motor of Love; in fact, Motor of Love is so bad that I can't view it as anything other than self-sabotage. But both tracks have no business being on an album and should have been shelved. They could easily have been replaced by any number of superior tracks that Paul had lying around from his many 87-88 sessions. I remember the fuss around the release of FITD. A lot of people felt Paul had to deliver something special after the commercial failures of Broad Street (the film) and Press to Play. The general consensus was that he did deliver and that FITD was good and more was to come. With the benefit of hindsight we can see that was wishful thinking as we know the execrable Off the Ground was to follow.
it's definitely better than Press To Play
It is, yes; but if you take the Costello songs off, then I think it isn't. I don't think Paul learned anything from those failures; Motor of Love demonstrates that he defaults to the lowest common denominator. Or he did at that time.