2017 Setlist Speculation Thread
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Nancy R:
LetMeRollIt89:
WixRocks!:
FlowersOnTheRun:
maybe he'll do MMT? I don't see V&M in the forecast, but go ahead and prove me wrong!
I find it to be no coincidence that he started playing V&M on the very tour that found him visiting the Hollywood Bowl. This is his first time at Madison Square Garden since the band started doing the number, and it also gets name dropped in the chorus. I think it's a realistic guess, and I'd be a bit surprised if it doesn't happen.
Agreed. I'd be more surprised if it didnt happen. I'll be setlist watching that night!
Just please do V&M/Rock Show at every venue! Then segue into Jet! I'd be in heaven - shades of 1976 and being 21 years old again!
I'm all for that too! Although, 21 was only a year ago...
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WixRocks!:
Nancy R:
LetMeRollIt89:
WixRocks!:
FlowersOnTheRun:
maybe he'll do MMT? I don't see V&M in the forecast, but go ahead and prove me wrong!
I find it to be no coincidence that he started playing V&M on the very tour that found him visiting the Hollywood Bowl. This is his first time at Madison Square Garden since the band started doing the number, and it also gets name dropped in the chorus. I think it's a realistic guess, and I'd be a bit surprised if it doesn't happen.
Agreed. I'd be more surprised if it didnt happen. I'll be setlist watching that night!
Just please do V&M/Rock Show at every venue! Then segue into Jet! I'd be in heaven - shades of 1976 and being 21 years old again!
I'm all for that too! Although, 21 was only a year ago...
%#@* you Wix!
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cue Ringo Peace 'n Love, Peace 'n Love !!
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WixRocks!:
cue Ringo Peace 'n Love, Peace 'n Love !!
You know I love ya! Just jealous cause you have your whole life ahead of you! I got maybe 25 or so years left if I'm lucky. BUT, you can be jealous of me because I was there when it all happened in the U.S. (I Want To Hold Your Hand going to #1, the Beatles on Ed Sullivan, and the whole crazy ride up till now!)
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Nancy R:
WixRocks!:
cue Ringo Peace 'n Love, Peace 'n Love !!
You know I love ya! Just jealous cause you have your whole life ahead of you! I got maybe 25 or so years left if I'm lucky. BUT, you can be jealous of me because I was there when it all happened in the U.S. (I Want To Hold Your Hand going to #1, the Beatles on Ed Sullivan, and the whole crazy ride up till now!)
That's why I've gotta see Paul and everyone else while I can, or rather, while THEY can!!!
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With 4 gigs in the same city having had the same opener past week, and top of it being a huge one that mentioned territory hasn't seen, I'm not willing to put any money on him rotating openers in the NY/NJ area.
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Nancy R:
LetMeRollIt89:
WixRocks!:
FlowersOnTheRun:
maybe he'll do MMT? I don't see V&M in the forecast, but go ahead and prove me wrong!
I find it to be no coincidence that he started playing V&M on the very tour that found him visiting the Hollywood Bowl. This is his first time at Madison Square Garden since the band started doing the number, and it also gets name dropped in the chorus. I think it's a realistic guess, and I'd be a bit surprised if it doesn't happen.
Agreed. I'd be more surprised if it didnt happen. I'll be setlist watching that night!
Just please do V&M/Rock Show at every venue! Then segue into Jet! I'd be in heaven - shades of 1976 and being 21 years old again!
Yes, this! But he should do the entire song.
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nobodytoldme:
With 4 gigs in the same city having had the same opener past week, and top of it being a huge one that mentioned territory hasn't seen, I'm not willing to put any money on him rotating openers in the NY/NJ area.
You don't think he'll put V&M in for MSG when he put the song into rotation in the first place because of the Hollywood Bowl gigs in 2010?
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WixRocks!:
nobodytoldme:
With 4 gigs in the same city having had the same opener past week, and top of it being a huge one that mentioned territory hasn't seen, I'm not willing to put any money on him rotating openers in the NY/NJ area.
You don't think he'll put V&M in for MSG when he put the song into rotation in the first place because of the Hollywood Bowl gigs in 2010?
Of course I do think that if it's coming back, it will be there! Could also be not as opener, as when he surprised us in Rotterdam having opened with 'Hello Goodbye' - sorry - and then doing it later on in the set.
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nobodytoldme:
WixRocks!:
nobodytoldme:
With 4 gigs in the same city having had the same opener past week, and top of it being a huge one that mentioned territory hasn't seen, I'm not willing to put any money on him rotating openers in the NY/NJ area.
You don't think he'll put V&M in for MSG when he put the song into rotation in the first place because of the Hollywood Bowl gigs in 2010?
Of course I do think that if it's coming back, it will be there! Could also be not as opener, as when he surprised us in Rotterdam having opened with 'Hello Goodbye' - sorry - and then doing it later on in the set.
forgot about that! I think that would be super weird to not hear it as the opener...I really hope that is not the situation when the time comes.
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I'm really curious to know why Paul dropped Here There and Everywhere from the set. Anybody know why? (Besides saying that he can't sing it anymore). It was personally my favorite when I saw him play it in Seattle last year. He plays it way differently than he used to, now on the piano, with the song being sung a step down, gives the song a totally different feel, but sounds so beautiful. Paul also said in various interviews recently that Here There and Everywhere is currently his favorite song he wrote with that one band he played with throughout the 60's.
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carsondent7:
I'm really curious to know why Paul dropped Here There and Everywhere from the set. Anybody know why? (Besides saying that he can't sing it anymore). It was personally my favorite when I saw him play it in Seattle last year. He plays it way differently than he used to, now on the piano, with the song being sung a step down, gives the song a totally different feel, but sounds so beautiful. Paul also said in various interviews recently that Here There and Everywhere is currently his favorite song he wrote with that one band he played with throughout the 60's.
It was the highlight of last year's tour for me by far. "Here, There, and Everywhere" has always been my favorite song. period. "God Only Knows" is a close second. Anyway, I thought perhaps Paul dropped it at Desert Trip because it really does require a mellow room, or at least an understanding crowd...and that kind of song just wasn't what Desert Trip was about. As for Japan? He pretty much just copied his setlist from Desert Trip...so maybe it's that simple? I loved the new arrangement. It was the first song I learned on piano so to see Paul make that change...it really made it feel quite special and personal, even though I know it wasn't.
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I agree with those saying that Paul could add some more solo songs to the set list, but he kind of explained this when questioned by Paul Weller I suppose. He said that he gets frustrated having to play the hits, but he can sense the crowd's disinterest when he play anything else. It was kind of noticeable in Tokyo that My Valentine probably got the most muted reception. Personally though, I would love him to challenge the audience a little more.
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yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
Gordy JS:
Clem865:
Yahllil:
corchians:
Now there are 2 months of stop, so I hope in a couple a new add for the US tour. There is time to rehearse!
Maybe even a new single/album by then
I believe there will be a single this month (or very lately, in June) and the album in August Then he could play the single in live in July (with maybe an other new song) and start the promotion of the album in September and October
Potentially Flowers in the Dirt as well. He was asked about performing it live & said they didn't have time to rehearse it & said we'll see about later. It'll be a nice change if he actually does play songs from FITD
________________________________________________________ I didn't realize that Paul has a 2 month gap between the Japan Shows and the US dates. That gives him a good amount of time to spruce up the Setlist. There is still hope for an improved and better balanced show. Just hope he or someone close to him can realize that the overwhelming majority of the US audience are boomers (60 and older). For the non Beatle part of the setlist, the songs with mature and heartfelt lyrics are perfect for his audience. Even if the majority are not hard core Paul fans and may not instantly recognize the songs, they can still relate to the message of songs like Put It There, Little Willow or This One. And these are great songs and songs that Paul should be proud to play. I just never understood why he avoids his solo songs as much as he does. I have no problem and totally understand a 60% Beatles' setlist (approximately) but how do you ignore great songs that he wrote in his mid-age/older years. Let's keep our fingers crossed that the right people are reading the suggestions from true fans from his own website. We are not throwing out obscure type choices but great songs that casual Beatle/Paul fans should know. More for his legacy than anything else, you would think that Paul would be motivated to help that happen.
BJ, he had even longer than 2 month gap between his last show and the Japan shows. There is no reason he could not have had at least two FITD songs in Japan set list, lets face it when it comes to this he is complacent. People may not know a song like "Little Willow" but he could dedicate it to Maureen Starkey's memory. Once he played it, I am quite sure the audience would be moved by the song. Honestly, why do re-issue of FITD if you are not going to promote it at all during your concerts. How many people outside this board are even aware of the re-issue? As for his legacy, I think he is perfectly happy with being remembered as Beatle Paul and starting Wings. I don't think he cares one bit about his solo records being remembered unless it means money in his or his family's pocket.
______________________________________________________ Yankeefan, I hear you 100%. He does seem to be more in vacation mode (and hobnobbing with the celebrities) during the winter months after he finishes his tour schedule. That is my only hope that he might do some rehearsing with the band and add a few songs in July. Funny, this is my first time being in a different area (Tampa) where Paul is scheduled and seeing how the main newspaper (Tampa Bay Times) is framing his appearance. Basically, it is a nostalgia theme and he will have no problem selling a 14K Arena. As you know, the Tampa Bay Region has many affluent areas with plenty of boomers so even though the paper talks about how expensive the tickets are, it will sell out with no problem. And there is a chance that he might even do a 2nd show on July 9th. One reason that I would like to attend is the fact that it is a relatively small venue. Any seat should be very good. But I will not put out that kind of money with the likes of Four-Five Seconds, I Wanna Be Your Man, Birthday, Mr. Kite, Temporary Secretary etc. on the setlist and nothing from the Solo songs I would love to hear. Speaking about Solo songs, I just think it is a huge "Blind Spot" he has. And at his age, it might be a little bit of dementia. He seems to always look further back (Beatles' era) when he talks about his music. My father had dementia in his 80's (probably much worse) but people who have it seem to remember when they were young much better than middle age. He seems to only talk about the Beatles and that time. I notice he never talks about his mindset and his writing during Tug of War, Flaming Pie etc. Only because of the reissue of FITD does he talk about those specific Solo years and writing with Elvis Costello. I don't really expect any dramatic changes to the Setlist in July. It would take someone that he really respects (like an Elvis Costello) to tell him he is shortchanging his Solo Career on his tours. Again, I don't expect that to happen. If he doesn't add some solo songs I want to hear, then I have to look at it as saving money personally. While I would be disappointed, it is not the end of the world.
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WixRocks!:
carsondent7:
I'm really curious to know why Paul dropped Here There and Everywhere from the set. Anybody know why? (Besides saying that he can't sing it anymore). It was personally my favorite when I saw him play it in Seattle last year. He plays it way differently than he used to, now on the piano, with the song being sung a step down, gives the song a totally different feel, but sounds so beautiful. Paul also said in various interviews recently that Here There and Everywhere is currently his favorite song he wrote with that one band he played with throughout the 60's.
It was the highlight of last year's tour for me by far. "Here, There, and Everywhere" has always been my favorite song. period. "God Only Knows" is a close second. Anyway, I thought perhaps Paul dropped it at Desert Trip because it really does require a mellow room, or at least an understanding crowd...and that kind of song just wasn't what Desert Trip was about. As for Japan? He pretty much just copied his setlist from Desert Trip...so maybe it's that simple? _________________________________________________ I loved the new arrangement. It was the first song I learned on piano so to see Paul make that change...it really made it feel quite special and personal, even though I know it wasn't.
______________________________________________________ Another reason I get so frustrated with Paul's choices. Not just his Post Beatles' songs but his Beatle song choices. Here There & Everywhere is not only one of his greatest songs period, but he hasn't overplayed it over the years like he has with another great song like Lady Madonna. Like you, the different arrangement also added a great twist that was better for his 2016/2017 voice. When he adds a song like "I Wanna Be Your Man" a tertiary Beatle song at best and takes out Here There & Everywhere, I go crazy. While everybody knows Birthday, it is not in the same league as Here There &Everywhere. Besides this great Revolver song, I would also love if he brought back For No One and I Will. Those 3 songs are top 15 Paul Beatle songs all time for me, but then he continues to play Mr. Kite.
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B J Conlee:
WixRocks!:
carsondent7:
I'm really curious to know why Paul dropped Here There and Everywhere from the set. Anybody know why? (Besides saying that he can't sing it anymore). It was personally my favorite when I saw him play it in Seattle last year. He plays it way differently than he used to, now on the piano, with the song being sung a step down, gives the song a totally different feel, but sounds so beautiful. Paul also said in various interviews recently that Here There and Everywhere is currently his favorite song he wrote with that one band he played with throughout the 60's.
It was the highlight of last year's tour for me by far. "Here, There, and Everywhere" has always been my favorite song. period. "God Only Knows" is a close second. Anyway, I thought perhaps Paul dropped it at Desert Trip because it really does require a mellow room, or at least an understanding crowd...and that kind of song just wasn't what Desert Trip was about. As for Japan? He pretty much just copied his setlist from Desert Trip...so maybe it's that simple? _________________________________________________ I loved the new arrangement. It was the first song I learned on piano so to see Paul make that change...it really made it feel quite special and personal, even though I know it wasn't.
______________________________________________________ Another reason I get so frustrated with Paul's choices. Not just his Post Beatles' songs but his Beatle song choices. Here There & Everywhere is not only one of his greatest songs period, but he hasn't overplayed it over the years like he has with another great song like Lady Madonna. Like you, the different arrangement also added a great twist that was better for his 2016/2017 voice. When he adds a song like "I Wanna Be Your Man" a tertiary Beatle song at best and takes out Here There & Everywhere, I go crazy. While everybody knows Birthday, it is not in the same league as Here There &Everywhere. Besides this great Revolver song, I would also love if he brought back For No One and I Will. Those 3 songs are top 15 Paul Beatle songs all time for me, but then he continues to play Mr. Kite.
Spot on assessment. I nearly hit the floor when he pulled out "I Will" at Yankee Stadium. It was a total shock and still the only time I've heard it live. "For No One" would be an incredible addition, like "Penny Lane"...despite his tendency to flub the lyrics on both. They could easily replace say, "The Fool on The Hill" and "Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite!"
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WixRocks!:
B J Conlee:
WixRocks!:
carsondent7:
I'm really curious to know why Paul dropped Here There and Everywhere from the set. Anybody know why? (Besides saying that he can't sing it anymore). It was personally my favorite when I saw him play it in Seattle last year. He plays it way differently than he used to, now on the piano, with the song being sung a step down, gives the song a totally different feel, but sounds so beautiful. Paul also said in various interviews recently that Here There and Everywhere is currently his favorite song he wrote with that one band he played with throughout the 60's.
It was the highlight of last year's tour for me by far. "Here, There, and Everywhere" has always been my favorite song. period. "God Only Knows" is a close second. Anyway, I thought perhaps Paul dropped it at Desert Trip because it really does require a mellow room, or at least an understanding crowd...and that kind of song just wasn't what Desert Trip was about. As for Japan? He pretty much just copied his setlist from Desert Trip...so maybe it's that simple? _________________________________________________ I loved the new arrangement. It was the first song I learned on piano so to see Paul make that change...it really made it feel quite special and personal, even though I know it wasn't.
______________________________________________________ Another reason I get so frustrated with Paul's choices. Not just his Post Beatles' songs but his Beatle song choices. Here There & Everywhere is not only one of his greatest songs period, but he hasn't overplayed it over the years like he has with another great song like Lady Madonna. Like you, the different arrangement also added a great twist that was better for his 2016/2017 voice. When he adds a song like "I Wanna Be Your Man" a tertiary Beatle song at best and takes out Here There & Everywhere, I go crazy. While everybody knows Birthday, it is not in the same league as Here There &Everywhere. Besides this great Revolver song, I would also love if he brought back For No One and I Will. Those 3 songs are top 15 Paul Beatle songs all time for me, but then he continues to play Mr. Kite.
Spot on assessment. I nearly hit the floor when he pulled out "I Will" at Yankee Stadium. It was a total shock and still the only time I've heard it live. "For No One" would be an incredible addition, like "Penny Lane"...despite his tendency to flub the lyrics on both. They could easily replace say, "The Fool on The Hill" and "Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite!"
_________________________________________________ Yes...I forgot Penny Lane. How does he not bring back Penny Lane...another top 15 of all time Beatle songs for me. Personally, I would rather hear Penny Lane than Lady Madonna at this point mainly because he has way overplayed the latter.
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B J Conlee:
Speaking about Solo songs, I just think it is a huge "Blind Spot" he has. And at his age, it might be a little bit of dementia. He seems to always look further back (Beatles' era) when he talks about his music. My father had dementia in his 80's (probably much worse) but people who have it seem to remember when they were young much better than middle age. He seems to only talk about the Beatles and that time. I notice he never talks about his mindset and his writing during Tug of War, Flaming Pie etc. Only because of the reissue of FITD does he talk about those specific Solo years and writing with Elvis Costello.
I would be very careful about that phrasing. My grandfather had dementia and you're right that a hallmark feature of it is the gradual loss of all but the earliest memories, but dementia is a devastating illness that robs people of both their functioning and personalities, and I see absolutely no signs of that in Paul. However, I have noticed that even many healthy folks around Paul's age become much more nostalgic. It makes me think it's a natural part of the aging process to start reflecting back over one's life, something that started to become very apparent in Paul's lyrics on MAF, even captured in the album title. Paul happens to have had the kind of life and experiences that almost no one else in human history has had, so I would be more disturbed if he wasn't spending time trying to process it, especially that whole Beatles experience. We also form and retain memories more strongly when they're associated with emotions, and I imagine the Beatles period was a wild roller coaster of emotions. As for the Wings period, that was a time when he had a new marriage and young family. I've noticed one relative around Paul's age has started spending a lot of time watching old home movies, especially from when his kids were young. It seems like that's a time that has a lot of significance for older folks, so maybe that's part of his fondness for that era? My favorite Paul solo era happens to overlap precisely with the periods he's neglected in his setlists over last 15 years, and I'd certainly love some modifications, but I can't fault him for being nostalgic for certain periods more than others. The same thing goes for particular songs. Yes, there are some songs he plays over and over, but he likes playing them! Everyone I know who plays an instrument has a handful of songs they constantly return to because that's what they enjoy playing, and I most like to see him enjoying himself. As for the thing about not having rehearsed any FITD songs already, keep in mind he's also been working on a new album we're all eagerly awaiting, which probably took up a lot of his "vacation" time. Sometimes I think we're awfully demanding bosses for anyone, let alone a 74 year old.
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Very good post AcresOfFun!
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WixRocks!:
B J Conlee:
WixRocks!:
carsondent7:
I'm really curious to know why Paul dropped Here There and Everywhere from the set. Anybody know why? (Besides saying that he can't sing it anymore). It was personally my favorite when I saw him play it in Seattle last year. He plays it way differently than he used to, now on the piano, with the song being sung a step down, gives the song a totally different feel, but sounds so beautiful. Paul also said in various interviews recently that Here There and Everywhere is currently his favorite song he wrote with that one band he played with throughout the 60's.
It was the highlight of last year's tour for me by far. "Here, There, and Everywhere" has always been my favorite song. period. "God Only Knows" is a close second. Anyway, I thought perhaps Paul dropped it at Desert Trip because it really does require a mellow room, or at least an understanding crowd...and that kind of song just wasn't what Desert Trip was about. As for Japan? He pretty much just copied his setlist from Desert Trip...so maybe it's that simple? _________________________________________________ I loved the new arrangement. It was the first song I learned on piano so to see Paul make that change...it really made it feel quite special and personal, even though I know it wasn't.
______________________________________________________ Another reason I get so frustrated with Paul's choices. Not just his Post Beatles' songs but his Beatle song choices. Here There & Everywhere is not only one of his greatest songs period, but he hasn't overplayed it over the years like he has with another great song like Lady Madonna. Like you, the different arrangement also added a great twist that was better for his 2016/2017 voice. When he adds a song like "I Wanna Be Your Man" a tertiary Beatle song at best and takes out Here There & Everywhere, I go crazy. While everybody knows Birthday, it is not in the same league as Here There &Everywhere. Besides this great Revolver song, I would also love if he brought back For No One and I Will. Those 3 songs are top 15 Paul Beatle songs all time for me, but then he continues to play Mr. Kite.
Spot on assessment. I nearly hit the floor when he pulled out "I Will" at Yankee Stadium. It was a total shock and still the only time I've heard it live. "For No One" would be an incredible addition, like "Penny Lane"...despite his tendency to flub the lyrics on both. They could easily replace say, "The Fool on The Hill" and "Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite!"
I don't think he could pull off either I Will or Here There and Everywhere anymore. The last recent version of Here There and Everywhere I heard on YouTube (a couple years ago, roughly) was painful. Those sweet, ethereal, not-quite-falsetto high notes are just not there anymore.