2017 Setlist Speculation Thread
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~lady*madonna~:
And not cool to wipe one's nose with your hand when performing on stage in front of thousands of people.
Wow. Some people will complain about anything.
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B J Conlee:
nobodytoldme:
Turk Thrust:
Having seen Paul in Tokyo, I would say that I Wanna Be Your Man was a good choice and one that suited Paul's current voice. I don't hear too much wrong with this version and a fun 2 minutes:
This. Nitpicking. So many other songs should bite the dust before this fresh addition. Most older ballads are pretty much done for him vocal-wise, but you almost can't go wrong with this era Beatles, great energy as well.
_________________________________________________________ Personally I don't want to get into the Setlist debate again - Solo vs. Beatles, Solo vs. Wings. I (and several others) have expressed our opinions time and time again so there is little need for repetition. Listening to the "I Want to Be Your Man" video above was a good exercise for a true, hard core fan like me. I am still considering spending "after market" type money for the Tampa show or even shows up in the New Jersey and New York area. This would be a big investment for a retired person. I not only listened to this video but it was nice that You Tube had many other videos from the same series of Tokyo shows within a couple of days of each other. While I realize that videos (even high quality ones) are not quite as good of a gauge as actually being at the show, it does give a fair "comparison" between many songs that Paul is currently playing. Relative to the status of Paul's 2017 voice, I noticed some songs came off much better than others. In fact, the difference was huge in several cases. Again, my purpose here is not to get into so much of a setlist debate but as an objective opinion of the "execution" and "vocal status" of the songs Paul/Band are actually playing. Songs where the full band are singing not surprisingly do tend to fare much better. Hard Day's Night, for example, to my ears comes off "well" which is important since it is the "opener". The full band is immediately singing together and throughout the song. The crowd also gets into singing which is now, unfortunately paramount to a 2017 Show. Songs that the execution in my opinion was poor were songs where Paul was singing mostly solo that exposed the negatives of Paul's current vocal abilities. Gone is Paul's great raspy, soulful voice from years' past. I think most would agree here that Paul also does not possess the powerful rock voice he had. I'm not trying to be critical as I'm a huge fan. After all, Paul is 74. No one performing as often as he has over the last 15 years could do it. Forget Beatles vs. Solo, the main criteria now for a setlist in my opinion, should be the vocal execution of the song itself. I now better understand why Paul would add "I Wanna Be Your Man" (2nd tier Beatles song at best). With the full Band singing, the song actually comes off fine from a vocal perspective. Not a song that a big time fan like myself would be dying to hear but for the first timer and Beatles nostalgia night, it is a good selection. So was "Love Me Do" for that matter as a recent addition. Easy to sing and the crowd gets right into singing along. I get it for the first timers and moderate Beatle fans. On the other side, there are a few songs to my ears that fare quite poorly (cringe worthy) strictly from a vocal perspective. Here are a couple of examples: 4-5 Seconds - I wondered about this selection in the first place but Paul's vocals sound terrible. As I said, Paul no longer possesses that raspy, soulful vocal quality that this song requires. When you think about it, 95% (or greater) of the audience could care less that it was a top 40 singles hit a year or two ago. They couldn't name a Rhianna or Kanye West song. Why is it in the setlist is my question if Paul can't sing it. Maybe I'm Amazed - I know it is a signature song, but many here have talked about it. Objectively Paul can't sing it anymore. For one of Paul's great Solo songs, it is cringe worthy. I understand the sentiment for Linda but someone needs to tel him. I've Got a Feeling - I loved this song live when Paul could sing it but he can't anymore especially the parts that demand such a powerful rock voice. Just go back to 2007 (the Paris show) and compare now and then. The comparison is like night and day. Fortunately, for the "first timers" who will be the large percentage of the upcoming US audience there are plenty of songs that will give them the joy and nostalgia buzz they are paying for. They will have a great time and I am happy for them. I remember 1990 when I saw Paul live for the first time. It was a night I will never forget. Unfortunately, someone needs to tell Paul when he needs to drop a song (or add a song) that he just can't sing any more. It can't be one of the members of the Band. The tours are their livelihood. It probably can't be Nancy since they are married. Not a good thing for a marriage. Paul also doesn't seem to have a musical mentor that he confides in. My only thought I've mentioned in the past is one of his kids who's honesty Paul would trust. And If Paul can currently sing a "Solo" song well that suites his range, it should be considered. Again, his ability to sing it well (probably with the Band's help) should be the ultimate criteria. I know Paul probably only has a couple of years left for doing full tours like he does now. He needs to find songs that can fit his 2017 voice and range. There are a few currently in the setlist that need to go for mainly that reason. Time will tell if there is someone he will listen to.
I am quite sure he could still sing "That Was Me" and "Take It Away" ( perfect song for the band to join him). I don't think his children would ever go there and tell him he can't sing a song anymore. He needs to hear it loud and clear from the critics but even they will not do it because most of them are just McCartney fanboys/fangirls.
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May I make a polite request to stop quoting massive blocks of messages? It makes it super hard to read and follow.
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WixRocks!:
May I make a polite request to stop quoting massive blocks of messages? It makes it super hard to read and follow.
I've probably been guilty of it because it is harder on an iPad to delete a specific block and only quote one paragraph, for example. It's super easy on a laptop/PC to highlight and delete.
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Nancy R:
WixRocks!:
May I make a polite request to stop quoting massive blocks of messages? It makes it super hard to read and follow.
I've probably been guilty of it because it is harder on an iPad to delete a specific block and only quote one paragraph, for example. It's super easy on a laptop/PC to highlight and delete.
No worries, and nothing at anybody personal...it just gets irritating and hard to follow sometimes as the pages fill up fast and in big blocks.
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Just saw where there is a schedule change for the Miami Show. Due to what Paul's team calls "Production Enhancements" the show in Miami has been moved up from 7/5/17 to 7/7/17. Miami, of course, is the initial show for the US segment of the tour. My first thought was that maybe this would give some of us hard core fans a little hope that there might be some setlist changes. The more I think about it however, I have to wonder how just 2 days would result in any significant changes. If anything, it might be 1 or 2 songs. Then again, it might have nothing to do with actual setlist changes from Tokyo. Any thoughts?
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B J Conlee:
Just saw where there is a schedule change for the Miami Show. Due to what Paul's team calls "Production Enhancements" the show in Miami has been moved up from 7/5/17 to 7/7/17. Miami, of course, is the initial show for the US segment of the tour. My first thought was that maybe this would give some of us hard core fans a little hope that there might be some setlist changes. The more I think about it however, I have to wonder how just 2 days would result in any significant changes. If anything, it might be 1 or 2 songs. Then again, it might have nothing to do with actual setlist changes from Tokyo. Any thoughts?
I am pretty sure it is due to some type of staging and not any set list changes. I will be truly shocked if there are any significant set list changes and if there are any it will be some other Beatle song he has not done yet.
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B J Conlee:
nobodytoldme:
Turk Thrust:
Having seen Paul in Tokyo, I would say that I Wanna Be Your Man was a good choice and one that suited Paul's current voice. I don't hear too much wrong with this version and a fun 2 minutes:
This. Nitpicking. So many other songs should bite the dust before this fresh addition. Most older ballads are pretty much done for him vocal-wise, but you almost can't go wrong with this era Beatles, great energy as well.
_________________________________________________________ Personally I don't want to get into the Setlist debate again - Solo vs. Beatles, Solo vs. Wings. I (and several others) have expressed our opinions time and time again so there is little need for repetition. Listening to the "I Want to Be Your Man" video above was a good exercise for a true, hard core fan like me. I am still considering spending "after market" type money for the Tampa show or even shows up in the New Jersey and New York area. This would be a big investment for a retired person. I not only listened to this video but it was nice that You Tube had many other videos from the same series of Tokyo shows within a couple of days of each other. While I realize that videos (even high quality ones) are not quite as good of a gauge as actually being at the show, it does give a fair "comparison" between many songs that Paul is currently playing. Relative to the status of Paul's 2017 voice, I noticed some songs came off much better than others. In fact, the difference was huge in several cases. Again, my purpose here is not to get into so much of a setlist debate but as an objective opinion of the "execution" and "vocal status" of the songs Paul/Band are actually playing. Songs where the full band are singing not surprisingly do tend to fare much better. Hard Day's Night, for example, to my ears comes off "well" which is important since it is the "opener". The full band is immediately singing together and throughout the song. The crowd also gets into singing which is now, unfortunately paramount to a 2017 Show. Songs that the execution in my opinion was poor were songs where Paul was singing mostly solo that exposed the negatives of Paul's current vocal abilities. Gone is Paul's great raspy, soulful voice from years' past. I think most would agree here that Paul also does not possess the powerful rock voice he had. I'm not trying to be critical as I'm a huge fan. After all, Paul is 74. No one performing as often as he has over the last 15 years could do it. Forget Beatles vs. Solo, the main criteria now for a setlist in my opinion, should be the vocal execution of the song itself. I now better understand why Paul would add "I Wanna Be Your Man" (2nd tier Beatles song at best). With the full Band singing, the song actually comes off fine from a vocal perspective. Not a song that a big time fan like myself would be dying to hear but for the first timer and Beatles nostalgia night, it is a good selection. So was "Love Me Do" for that matter as a recent addition. Easy to sing and the crowd gets right into singing along. I get it for the first timers and moderate Beatle fans. On the other side, there are a few songs to my ears that fare quite poorly (cringe worthy) strictly from a vocal perspective. Here are a couple of examples: 4-5 Seconds - I wondered about this selection in the first place but Paul's vocals sound terrible. As I said, Paul no longer possesses that raspy, soulful vocal quality that this song requires. When you think about it, 95% (or greater) of the audience could care less that it was a top 40 singles hit a year or two ago. They couldn't name a Rhianna or Kanye West song. Why is it in the setlist is my question if Paul can't sing it. Maybe I'm Amazed - I know it is a signature song, but many here have talked about it. Objectively Paul can't sing it anymore. For one of Paul's great Solo songs, it is cringe worthy. I understand the sentiment for Linda but someone needs to tel him. I've Got a Feeling - I loved this song live when Paul could sing it but he can't anymore especially the parts that demand such a powerful rock voice. Just go back to 2007 (the Paris show) and compare now and then. The comparison is like night and day. Fortunately, for the "first timers" who will be the large percentage of the upcoming US audience there are plenty of songs that will give them the joy and nostalgia buzz they are paying for. They will have a great time and I am happy for them. I remember 1990 when I saw Paul live for the first time. It was a night I will never forget. Unfortunately, someone needs to tell Paul when he needs to drop a song (or add a song) that he just can't sing any more. It can't be one of the members of the Band. The tours are their livelihood. It probably can't be Nancy since they are married. Not a good thing for a marriage. Paul also doesn't seem to have a musical mentor that he confides in. My only thought I've mentioned in the past is one of his kids who's honesty Paul would trust. And If Paul can currently sing a "Solo" song well that suites his range, it should be considered. Again, his ability to sing it well (probably with the Band's help) should be the ultimate criteria. I know Paul probably only has a couple of years left for doing full tours like he does now. He needs to find songs that can fit his 2017 voice and range. There are a few currently in the setlist that need to go for mainly that reason. Time will tell if there is someone he will listen to.
In regards to him doing "45 Seconds", what makes him think people want to hear this song especially since he believes that 95% of his audience are first timers and want to hear the Beatle/Wings "hits'. It is even more crazy if he can't sing the song well.
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yankeefan7:
In regards to him doing "45 Seconds", what makes him think people want to hear this song especially since he believes that 95% of his audience are first timers and want to hear the Beatle/Wings "hits'. It is even more crazy if he can't sing the song well.
It's one of the biggest hits that he has been involved with for years. As simple as that I think.
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Turk Thrust:
yankeefan7:
In regards to him doing "45 Seconds", what makes him think people want to hear this song especially since he believes that 95% of his audience are first timers and want to hear the Beatle/Wings "hits'. It is even more crazy if he can't sing the song well.
It's one of the biggest hits that he has been involved with for years. As simple as that I think.
Not only that, it draws in and incorporates his younger fans. But it is his last #1 song regardless what some may think of it
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Bob Gannon:
Turk Thrust:
yankeefan7:
In regards to him doing "45 Seconds", what makes him think people want to hear this song especially since he believes that 95% of his audience are first timers and want to hear the Beatle/Wings "hits'. It is even more crazy if he can't sing the song well.
It's one of the biggest hits that he has been involved with for years. As simple as that I think.
Not only that, it draws in and incorporates his younger fans. But it is his last #1 song regardless what some may think of it
_______________________________________________ I certainly understand Paul doing 4-5 Seconds for the Desert Tour last Fall when it was primarily a "young audience festival". Many in the crowd were familiar with the song. And of course he brought on Rihanna as a special guest. It made all the sense in the world at those shows. The audience for his US shows now is totally different. The overwhelming "boomer" audience, as Yankee fan says, wants to hear Beatle/Wings hits they remember. They could care less about a song that Paul did with Rihanna and Kanye West. They hardly know the song exists. It is strictly a nostalgia audience to see one of the great writers and musicians of the Beatles. I'm down here in Tampa and I have seen the promotion prior to the July 10th Show Announcement. It is all about nostalgia. While I hear the above points about his last hit, potentially appealing to the younger crowd that may be in the audience etc. my real point is that PAUL SINGS IT HORRIBLY. Again, I'm comparing 4-5 Seconds videos to many other videos sung at the same Tokyo shows. Paul tries to sing it in "soul" style like Rihanna but he just can't sing it. His voice even 6 years ago was much better than now. His former great raspy, soul and rock style voice is significantly gone now. I understand the whole boomers/nostalgia/Beatles thing that Paul has to market. This is why people will come and pay those kind of prices. The current status of Paul's voice and the song choices he chooses, in my opinion, is a big factor in delivering a great show. A few of the additions that Paul made to last year's one-on-one tour were very good additions from a vocal point of view. Beatle additions like Hard Day's Night and Love Me Do were very good choices. The Band and audience join in and mask many of Paul's vocal deficiencies. Couple those songs with all the signature Beatle songs and bam you have the perfect nostalgia experience. I get it and it makes total sense for giving many of the 1st timers the experience of a lifetime. My main concern is that if Paul continues to do 4-5 Seconds at the current vocal level I've seen, it will be the "poster child" for the status of Paul's voice especially when he comes to the States. The videos for the song will appear at so many sites just to put a "star" down and many reviewers will potentially crush the song's inclusion. Why should Paul take that kind of gamble on a song that 95% of the audience could care less about. People won't be singing along which will further amplify his current voice. Many of the songs in the Setlist will mask Paul's voice but 4-5 Seconds will not.
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B J Conlee:
[..] _______________________________________________ I certainly understand Paul doing 4-5 Seconds for the Desert Tour last Fall when it was primarily a "young audience festival". Many in the crowd were familiar with the song. [..]
Not wanting to come across as nitpicking with you always have very valid and good points, but just this: wasn't the whole target audience of Desert Trip baby boomers, retired older people with a lot of spare money to splurge, the last generation to be in that position? I wouldn't know a single person my age (20's) who would be interested in such line-up for free, let alone for those disgusting prices and seating packages.
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I don't know about you, but I know many 20-somethings that'd die for that lineup
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FlowersOnTheRun:
I don't know about you, but I know many 20-somethings that'd die for that lineup
Alright, for that price in that surrounding though? Saw The Stones at Glastonbury in my early 20's and it was everything I've come to expect, and there was a big group of people my age there. The Who 2 years there later, same story, but they couldn't maintain the attention span and lost interest, not Glasto headline-worthy unfortunately, should've left for an interesting act after 'My Generation'. Saw Dylan as teenager, and I was one of the youngest there in a crowd of boomers waiting for that one recognizable note in 'Like A Rolling Stone'. Regardless, my point was, I don't think this festival was aimed at a young crowd at all, otherwise it would've been standing general admission with affordable prices. That's all.
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nobodytoldme:
B J Conlee:
[..] _______________________________________________ I certainly understand Paul doing 4-5 Seconds for the Desert Tour last Fall when it was primarily a "young audience festival". Many in the crowd were familiar with the song. [..]
Not wanting to come across as nitpicking with you always have very valid and good points, but just this: wasn't the whole target audience of Desert Trip baby boomers, retired older people with a lot of spare money to splurge, the last generation to be in that position? I wouldn't know a single person my age (20's) who would be interested in such line-up for free, let alone for those disgusting prices and seating packages.
It was a much older-skewing crowd than at most festivals, especially in the more expensive seats; this was obvious to me there and in fact there were many articles written about the unusual demographic created by the lineup and prices. That said, I think there were quite a lot of 20ish folks in the general admission area, and a good number of 30ish folks in the pit and VIP areas. However I definitely don't think Paul included it in his set specifically because of DT. He had it in his tour that entire summer, and I think he played it at DT simply because he was basically doing his set from last year, and maybe it was at a time when Rihanna's schedule coincided. In fact, from my pov I'd say it got a much better reception at MetLife than at DT, especially among the dozen sorority girls that got plopped front center at the former. That seemed to be the only song they knew well. Maybe it's the kids his people keep dropping in front of him that lead to his perception of his audience!
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I doubt this has anything at all to do with the set. In the back of my mind, I can't help but think about Ringo's birthday. However, I'd imagine this has to do solely with the fact that Miami and Tampa never produced a necessity for additional shows so they're simply cutting costs and closing the gap between Miami and Tampa on the tour itinerary and calling it "production enhancements".
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WixRocks!:
I doubt this has anything at all to do with the set. In the back of my mind, I can't help but think about Ringo's birthday. However, I'd imagine this has to do solely with the fact that Miami and Tampa never produced a necessity for additional shows so they're simply cutting costs and closing the gap between Miami and Tampa on the tour itinerary and calling it "production enhancements".
It's so they can rehearse Let Me Roll It a couple more times :
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paulmccartneyfan1:
WixRocks!:
I doubt this has anything at all to do with the set. In the back of my mind, I can't help but think about Ringo's birthday. However, I'd imagine this has to do solely with the fact that Miami and Tampa never produced a necessity for additional shows so they're simply cutting costs and closing the gap between Miami and Tampa on the tour itinerary and calling it "production enhancements".
It's so they can rehearse Let Me Roll It a couple more times :
Let's hope it's because he's getting rid of that stupid little stage he only uses for 2 songs! When I pay for 3rd or 4th row seats I don't want to have to have binoculars to see him! I remember being in the 2nd row of a couple major concerts and being able to lean over and shake the hand of the artist! (I'm showing my age, I know!)
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B J Conlee:
Just saw where there is a schedule change for the Miami Show. Due to what Paul's team calls "Production Enhancements" the show in Miami has been moved up from 7/5/17 to 7/7/17. Miami, of course, is the initial show for the US segment of the tour. My first thought was that maybe this would give some of us hard core fans a little hope that there might be some setlist changes. The more I think about it however, I have to wonder how just 2 days would result in any significant changes. If anything, it might be 1 or 2 songs. Then again, it might have nothing to do with actual setlist changes from Tokyo. Any thoughts?
It just seems weird to me for them to out nowhere declare "production enhancement" changes to delay the show by two days. If they knew that, then why just initially schedule the show in Miami on the 7th? If anything, this really throws a wrench into many people's travel plans. Many people in Miami thread are already saying they can't go to the show now because of this change.
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BJ, since I see you writing in this thread, I will try here. Please check your PMs and email!