The ..2012.... Political thread
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Excellent article about a leadling neo-conservative who is supporting Obama http://au.news.yahoo.com/080527/21/170xi.html
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Some think Leslie Clark would be his best choice since he has a strong military background and very smart on foreign affairs and a very smart man. Level headed. He certainly needs to becareful who he picks. Would not want Hillary. Bill would have him knocked off so she'd make it in by default.
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ElvisBondCelebrityCosmos:
Listen to what former President Jimmy Carter and current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi ( Both Top Democratic Leaders ) said/say about this matter :-"A Obama/Clinton Presidential ticket?!...NO WAY!...NOT a good idea!". Yesterday,at "BBC America" a Democratic Party VOTER said :- "Hillary as Obama´s running mate?!...A NIGHTMARE!..."
Think about it! The guy would have a target on his back and Bill and Hillary would be taking the shots.
Remember how many of their friends.... had accidents in their administration.
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John Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson were not on the best of terms when Kennedy became the 1960 Democratic Presidential Nominee yet LBJ became JFK's Vice President on the ticket that would win the election. In politics you just never know.
[/quote Yea and look what happen to JK in Texas, LBJ home state
No trust me not a good idea to make Clinton,Obama VP. She too power hungry and the puppeteer who put Bush into office has their deck stacked two ways, McCain or Hillary. Obama now he kind of tipping the applecart and not in there cards.
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Sexism continues to be a strong contender even considering the new millennia. This is not a reply to any particular post(s).
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[quote="appletart2"]
John Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson were not on the best of terms when Kennedy became the 1960 Democratic Presidential Nominee yet LBJ became JFK's Vice President on the ticket that would win the election. In politics you just never know.
[/quote Yea and look what happen to JK in Texas, LBJ home state
No trust me not a good idea to make Clinton,Obama VP. She too power hungry and the puppeteer who put Bush into office has their deck stacked two ways, McCain or Hillary. Obama now he kind of tipping the applecart and not in there cards.
Respectfully, I trust my own instincts.
Your remark "... and look what happened to JK in Texas, LBJ home state" was not necessary and better left unsaid. The National media would have a field day with that one. "... too power hungry...." "... the puppeteer who put Bush into office?
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: Based on what? She is my Senator and has done a good job. All politicians like to be in center stage. I heard an interesting fact on the NBC Nightly News yesterday in regards to the Iraq War and Scott McClellen's book. Brian Williams was interviewing Tom Brokaw and Browkaw said that only 12 out of 100 U.S. Senators voted against the Iraq War. That means 88 U.S. Senators bought the bill of goods the Bush Administration sold Congress in presenting it's case for the war. Does that make 88% of the U.S. Senate unqualified to run for President?
I think not. On yesterday's newscast it was also said that Bush's case for the war was based on propaganda but we simply had no way of verifying the facts about WMDs in any concrete way. Gen. Colin Powell even made the case for the war and I'm sure he now feels duped by the Bush Administration too. He left the Administration. Does that make him unfit to run for President?
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[quote="Fan Since 1964"]
appletart2:
John Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson were not on the best of terms when Kennedy became the 1960 Democratic Presidential Nominee yet LBJ became JFK's Vice President on the ticket that would win the election. In politics you just never know.
[/quote Yea and look what happen to JK in Texas, LBJ home state
No trust me not a good idea to make Clinton,Obama VP. She too power hungry and the puppeteer who put Bush into office has their deck stacked two ways, McCain or Hillary. Obama now he kind of tipping the applecart and not in there cards.
Respectfully, I trust my own instincts.
Your remark "... and look what happened to JK in Texas, LBJ home state" was not necessary and better left unsaid. The National media would have a field day with that one. "... too power hungry...." "... the puppeteer who put Bush into office?
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: Based on what? She is my Senator and has done a good job. All politicians like to be in center stage. I heard an interesting fact on the NBC Nightly News yesterday in regards to the Iraq War and Scott McClellen's book. Brian Williams was interviewing Tom Brokaw and Browkaw said that only 12 out of 100 U.S. Senators voted against the Iraq War. That means 88 U.S. Senators bought the bill of goods the Bush Administration sold Congress in presenting it's case for the war. Does that make 88% of the U.S. Senate unqualified to run for President?
I think not. On yesterday's newscast it was also said that Bush's case for the war was based on propaganda but we simply had no way of verifying the facts about WMDs in any concrete way. Gen. Colin Powell even made the case for the war and I'm sure he now feels duped by the Bush Administration too. He left the Administration. Does that make him unfit to run for President?
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Clinton did not read the intelligence report on WMD in Iraq. Sen. Bob Graham of florida was going to vote for the war resolution but after reading the intelligence report said evidence on their having WMD was not conclusive. He even wrote a book about it. I think for pres. we should have the person with the best judgement, Obama.
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[quote="mustangsally10"]
Fan Since 1964:
appletart2:
John Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson were not on the best of terms when Kennedy became the 1960 Democratic Presidential Nominee yet LBJ became JFK's Vice President on the ticket that would win the election. In politics you just never know.
[/quote Yea and look what happen to JK in Texas, LBJ home state
No trust me not a good idea to make Clinton,Obama VP. She too power hungry and the puppeteer who put Bush into office has their deck stacked two ways, McCain or Hillary. Obama now he kind of tipping the applecart and not in there cards.
Respectfully, I trust my own instincts.
Your remark "... and look what happened to JK in Texas, LBJ home state" was not necessary and better left unsaid. The National media would have a field day with that one. "... too power hungry...." "... the puppeteer who put Bush into office?
:
: Based on what? She is my Senator and has done a good job. All politicians like to be in center stage. I heard an interesting fact on the NBC Nightly News yesterday in regards to the Iraq War and Scott McClellen's book. Brian Williams was interviewing Tom Brokaw and Browkaw said that only 12 out of 100 U.S. Senators voted against the Iraq War. That means 88 U.S. Senators bought the bill of goods the Bush Administration sold Congress in presenting it's case for the war. Does that make 88% of the U.S. Senate unqualified to run for President?
I think not. On yesterday's newscast it was also said that Bush's case for the war was based on propaganda but we simply had no way of verifying the facts about WMDs in any concrete way. Gen. Colin Powell even made the case for the war and I'm sure he now feels duped by the Bush Administration too. He left the Administration. Does that make him unfit to run for President?
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Clinton did not read the intelligence report on WMD in Iraq. Sen. Bob Graham of florida was going to vote for the war resolution but after reading the intelligence report said evidence on their having WMD was not conclusive. He even wrote a book about it. I think for pres. we should have the person with the best judgement, Obama.
Did Obama read the report?
: No, because he was not even in the U.S. Senate at the time and hindsight being 20/20 Obama then comes out against the war. Bills in Congress can go 100+ pages and I doubt that the majority of Congress read the whole bill. Faith was put in the Bush Administration who misguided Congress on the war. If Obama had the "best" judgement he wouldn't be chomping at the bit to be President with his lack of experience on a National level in the U.S. Senate.
He is wrongly rushing to make history and there are plenty of more experienced candidates out there who, unfortunately, are not running for President. As I've said before, I will vote for the Democratic nominee because the last thing this country needs in John McCain in The White House. Obama is not the ideal candidate and Sen. Clinton is a better candidate but sometimes you have to vote for the lesser of evils rather than fall victim to voter apathy. Unfortunately, many Democratic voters have bought into Obama's exhuberence but his inexperience comes with the package. I hope if elected Obama will have good, experienced people behind him to lessen his learning curve and we don't end up being sold another bill of goods.
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sunnydrummer:
Sexism continues to be a strong contender even considering the new millennia. This is not a reply to any particular post(s).
Great point....my wife, among others, share it.
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[quote="Fan Since 1964"]
mustangsally10:
Fan Since 1964:
appletart2:
John Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson were not on the best of terms when Kennedy became the 1960 Democratic Presidential Nominee yet LBJ became JFK's Vice President on the ticket that would win the election. In politics you just never know.
[/quote Yea and look what happen to JK in Texas, LBJ home state
No trust me not a good idea to make Clinton,Obama VP. She too power hungry and the puppeteer who put Bush into office has their deck stacked two ways, McCain or Hillary. Obama now he kind of tipping the applecart and not in there cards.
Respectfully, I trust my own instincts.
Your remark "... and look what happened to JK in Texas, LBJ home state" was not necessary and better left unsaid. The National media would have a field day with that one. The media already did on that one. "... too power hungry...." "... the puppeteer who put Bush into office?
:
: Based on what? She is my Senator and has done a good job. All politicians like to be in center stage. I heard an interesting fact on the NBC Nightly News yesterday in regards to the Iraq War and Scott McClellen's book. Brian Williams was interviewing Tom Brokaw and Browkaw said that only 12 out of 100 U.S. Senators voted against the Iraq War. That means 88 U.S. Senators bought the bill of goods the Bush Administration sold Congress in presenting it's case for the war. Does that make 88% of the U.S. Senate unqualified to run for President?
I think not. On yesterday's newscast it was also said that Bush's case for the war was based on propaganda but we simply had no way of verifying the facts about WMDs in any concrete way. Point taken. The 88 senators were of both parties. What is often forgotten is the context at the time: 9/11. Gen. Colin Powell even made the case for the war and I'm sure he now feels duped by the Bush Administration too. He left the Administration. Does that make him unfit to run for President?
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Clinton did not read the intelligence report on WMD in Iraq. Sen. Bob Graham of florida was going to vote for the war resolution but after reading the intelligence report said evidence on their having WMD was not conclusive. He even wrote a book about it. I think for pres. we should have the person with the best judgement, Obama.
Did Obama read the report?
: No, because he was not even in the U.S. Senate at the time and hindsight being 20/20 Obama then comes out against the war. Bills in Congress can go 100+ pages and I doubt that the majority of Congress read the whole bill. Faith was put in the Bush Administration who misguided Congress on the war. If Obama had the "best" judgement he wouldn't be chomping at the bit to be President with his lack of experience on a National level in the U.S. Senate.
He is wrongly rushing to make history and there are plenty of more experienced candidates out there who, unfortunately, are not running for President. Just my observation, it seems that is the reason why he got in....whether that judgment
is correct, remains to be seen. As I've said before, I will vote for the Democratic nominee because the last thing this country needs in John McCain in The White House. Obama is not the ideal candidate and Sen. Clinton is a better candidate but sometimes you have to vote for the lesser of evils rather than fall victim to voter apathy. Unfortunately, many Democratic voters have bought into Obama's exhuberence but his inexperience comes with the package. I hope if elected Obama will have good, experienced people behind him to lessen his learning curve and we don't end up being sold another bill of goods.
I do think that will happen. And as I've said before, simply putting Obama in the white house doesn't "solve everything". You can put him in the white house, and STILL not get what you want. On the other hand, if the democrats don't win the white house this year, you need to kiss the party goodbye.
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ElvisBondCelebrityCosmos:
ElvisBondCelebrityCosmos:
ElvisBondCelebrityCosmos:
ElvisBondCelebrityCosmos:
Check out the next days...Barack Obama´s campaign team and staff are already preparing the VICTORY celebrations (
) for June,3,after the 3 last contests (Montana,Puerto Rico,South Dakota) = 40 or so more State pledged delegates for Obama + ONLY 16 SuperDelegates + 1970 Total delegates ( Obama has now 1970 total delegates at this precise moment i am writing this...but tonight he will receive more SuperDelegates endorsements... ) = 2026 Total Delegates = Obama´s NOMINATION.
Obama´s Campaign are preparing the VICTORY ( Democratic NOMINATION confirmed ) CELEBRATIONS for the night of June,3 after those 3 last contests.
Why?!...RESPECT to the other candidate,that loser,tiring,annoying candidate called Hillary "Time to go Home now you LOST!" Clinton,and,mainly,respect to the Democratic Party and respect to all the VOTERS...
Update/Official Results/Countdown :- Now ONLY 49 Total delegates to the Nomination.
Meaning?...ONLY 9(9!) SuperDelegates to the...END.
Update/Countdown :- ONLY 48 Total delegates now.Wyoming SuperDelegate Nancy Drummond ( Vice-Chair of the Wyoming Democratic Party ) endorsed Barack Obama today.
Update/Official Results/Just in :- ONLY 45 Total delegates now!...Meaning?...Just another 4(4!) SuperDelegates and there will be massive Celebrations next tuesday,after the last 2 Primaries ...
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sunnydrummer:
Sexism continues to be a strong contender even considering the new millennia. This is not a reply to any particular post(s).
With so many Beautiful,interesting,lovely,fascinating,smart,capable,brilliant Women in America and that was the ONE(?!) who was running for President?!?!...Good grief!...Even her OWN husband(!) (and sorry,to mention this,BUT its the TRUTH! ) spent most of their married life "fooling around" with other women...I am sure you know what i mean...Next time :- I want to see a really Interesting Lady (there are so many in America!) running for President.
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ElvisBondCelebrityCosmos:
sunnydrummer:
Sexism continues to be a strong contender even considering the new millennia. This is not a reply to any particular post(s).
With so many Beautiful,interesting,lovely,fascinating,smart Women in America and that was the ONE(?!) who was runningfor President?!?!...Good grief!...Even her own husband (and sorry,to mention this,BUT its the TRUTH! ) spent most of their marriedlife "fooling around" with other women...I am sure you know what i mean...Next time :- I want to see a really Interesting Lady (there are so many in America!) running for President.
Maybe your friend Streisand will run, I think that would make you happy. Don't blame Hillary for Bill having sex with other women, because all men cheat on their wives and girlfriends. It's a man thing, not the women's fault.
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PHILLIP:
ElvisBondCelebrityCosmos:
sunnydrummer:
Sexism continues to be a strong contender even considering the new millennia. This is not a reply to any particular post(s).
With so many Beautiful,interesting,lovely,fascinating,smart Women in America and that was the ONE(?!) who was runningfor President?!?!...Good grief!...Even her own husband (and sorry,to mention this,BUT its the TRUTH! ) spent most of their marriedlife "fooling around" with other women...I am sure you know what i mean...Next time :- I want to see a really Interesting Lady (there are so many in America!) running for President.
Maybe your friend Streisand will run, I think that would make you happy.
Oh Yes!Barbra Streisand is much BETTER ( more clever,better looking,speaks better,etc...) than that tired and tiring Hillary Clinton!...Let me quote the British newspaper "Guardian" recently :-"Hillary Clinton´s talking style is Pedestrian!...". GO Barack OBAMA!At least Obama CAN talk.
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PHILLIP:
ElvisBondCelebrityCosmos:
sunnydrummer:
Sexism continues to be a strong contender even considering the new millennia. This is not a reply to any particular post(s).
With so many Beautiful,interesting,lovely,fascinating,smart Women in America and that was the ONE(?!) who was runningfor President?!?!...Good grief!...Even her own husband (and sorry,to mention this,BUT its the TRUTH! ) spent most of their marriedlife "fooling around" with other women...I am sure you know what i mean...Next time :- I want to see a really Interesting Lady (there are so many in America!) running for President.
Don't blame Hillary for Bill having sex with other women, because all men cheat on their wives and girlfriends. It's a man thing, not the women's fault.
Well...Bill Clinton knew/knows what he had/have in Home...
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Check out next saturday/sunday...interesting developments will happen in the Democratic Party...
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PHILLIP:
ElvisBondCelebrityCosmos:
sunnydrummer:
Sexism continues to be a strong contender even considering the new millennia. This is not a reply to any particular post(s).
With so many Beautiful,interesting,lovely,fascinating,smart Women in America and that was the ONE(?!) who was runningfor President?!?!...Good grief!...Even her own husband (and sorry,to mention this,BUT its the TRUTH! ) spent most of their marriedlife "fooling around" with other women...I am sure you know what i mean...Next time :- I want to see a really Interesting Lady (there are so many in America!) running for President.
Maybe your friend Streisand will run, I think that would make you happy. Don't blame Hillary for Bill having sex with other women, because all men cheat on their wives and girlfriends. It's a man thing, not the women's fault.
Men DO NOT all cheat on their wives and girlfriends. I will not let you get by with that. That is NOT true and not a subject for more discussion on this thread as it is way off topic. There is enough untruths and idiotic statements on this thread as it is we don't need more.
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mustangsally10:
PHILLIP:
ElvisBondCelebrityCosmos:
sunnydrummer:
Sexism continues to be a strong contender even considering the new millennia. This is not a reply to any particular post(s).
With so many Beautiful,interesting,lovely,fascinating,smart Women in America and that was the ONE(?!) who was runningfor President?!?!...Good grief!...Even her own husband (and sorry,to mention this,BUT its the TRUTH! ) spent most of their marriedlife "fooling around" with other women...I am sure you know what i mean...Next time :- I want to see a really Interesting Lady (there are so many in America!) running for President.
Maybe your friend Streisand will run, I think that would make you happy. Don't blame Hillary for Bill having sex with other women, because all men cheat on their wives and girlfriends. It's a man thing, not the women's fault.
Men DO NOT all cheat on their wives and girlfriends. I will not let you get by with that. That is NOT true and not a subject for more discussion on this thread as it is way off topic. There is enough untruths and idiotic statements on this thread as it is we don't need more.
All men cheat, and if he tells you otherwise, he's a liar to. sorry to burst your bubble.
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Finding the right Vice-President seems much higher on this list - compared to many years past (unless it is only my perception of this). Some can easily make or break the ticket --
First .... the official stuff ....
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Sexism generally refers to the manner in which a woman is viewed across the board. A woman's personality is usually drawn as being silly, emotional, complaining, having a tone, not stable, unreasonable, weaker or weakest, safer at home, a nurse, exclusive to motherhood, secretary, or other rather than, smart, effectively decisive, genuinely intuitive, creative, powerful, capable guardian, safe Commander and Chief, a positive equal to the male counterpart, etc... Staying on the topic of the presidential race, this is the first time a woman has ever competed and quite successfully at best. If everyone recounts the opinions shrouding her you will find a good deal of sexism delegated towards Hillary's campaign throughout the media as a whole, which is completely unfounded.