The ..2012.... Political thread
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BandontheRun:
You want socialism - go live in Europe with 50% income tax!
Since your government is nationalizing all the biggest banks and companies you have all chances not to spend your money on the trip to Europe to live in the socialism - United Socialist States Of America, m-m-m... sounds good I don't even know who is worse: Mikhail Sergeyevich Obama or Nikita Sergeyevich McCain Russians are for McCain! We love Georgians!!!
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This is for all you 'free market' worshipers of Reagan & Thatcher. Proponents of 'less government' intervension in financial markets. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ah5qh9Up4rIg&refer=home Yes, Greenspan admitting his 'ideology' of nonregulation was a mistake. Greenspan is shocked that there was greed involved If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. ALL of you deserve to be voted out into the political wilderness.....you have been a colossal failure.
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mustangsally10:
This is for all you 'free market' worshipers of Reagan & Thatcher. Proponents of 'less government' intervension in financial markets. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ah5qh9Up4rIg&refer=home Yes, Greenspan admitting his 'ideology' of nonregulation was a mistake. Greenspan is shocked that there was greed involved If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. ALL of you deserve to be voted out into the political wilderness.....you have been a colossal failure.
Regulation of the financial industries who sell bad loans/products is entirely different than elimination of the free market! Most large companies already need to comply with regulations like Sarbanes-Oxley, that's OK. Even banks are regulated, but please don't tell me what I can pay my employees based on some concept of fairness and wealth distribution. "It's better for everybody when we spread the wealth around" - except for those who create the wealth and then lay off the people you were spreading the wealth to... The market isn't down because everyone expects McCain to win... watch out America!
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There is a new realitly. The old economy is dead. Yes, the banking industry is regulated...it is now mainly nationalized. The US needs a new engine for the economy and Obama and the Dems will provide that with a new green economy. It will be competitive and there will be much profit to be made and it will be highly regulated. This is the new reality. There will of course be a market but it will be highly regulated. Greenspans statements are a very powerful mea culpa. Sorry, I won't get into details with you as my time is valuable and I look at the big picture. The details will be worked out as this progresses. This is the new reality.
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BandontheRun:
Fan Since 1964:
McCain's $5,000 health care initiative does not even keep up with the actual cost of health care. He is out-of-touch. .
Be happy with what you get, healthcare shouldn't be free either. It is a service, not a right.
As with Obama and McCain we have different views and that's just the way things are. As for the $5,000 healthcare benefit, "be happy with what you get" : when it still doesn't cover the cost of buying healthcare when Obama's plan will cover most Americans? We are the only country in the world that does not have a government assisted healthcare program and our healthcare system is a vastly overpriced mess of a rip-off. Why not apply that analogy to a person's mortgage and say the government will give you $5,000 towards your mortgage payments but you'll probably still default on your mortgage anyway but be happy with what you get. : You're missing the point - the reason we are the only country in the world that doesn't have a government assisted healthcare plan is part of what makes us AMERICA. You work hard and EARN what you get!! NO GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS HERE! You want socialism - go live in Europe with 50% income tax! That's what Obama proposes - greater taxes for greater government provided benefits. That's where we disagree - I would rather work hard and PAY for my benefits than to have the government automatically take a portion of my income out to provide them to me. I'd even like the option <gasp> NOT TO HAVE BENEFITS AT ALL and KEEP MY PAY. Let me choose what I spend my income on - NOT THE GOVERNMENT! Why should some tax rebate cover the cost of healthcare? What next? Cover my food, gas, electricity, groceries... and as you say, my MORTGAGE? No- the point is that the US government shouldn't play a role in subsidizing ANY of those things. That is the premise of the free market.... Here's a story to help illustrate my point.. see if you can make the comparison.. There was a chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab, the Prof noticed one young man, an exchange student, who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country?s government and install a new communist regime. In the midst of his story, he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked: ?Do you know how to catch wild pigs?? The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said that it was no joke. ?You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, which are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat that free corn again. You then slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn . They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.? The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening in America . The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tax 20 cuts, tax exemptions, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. while we continually lose our freedoms, just a little at a time. One should always remember two truths: 1) There is no such thing as a free lunch 2) and you can never hire someone to provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself. If you see that all of this wonderful government ?help? is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America , you might want to send this on to your friends. If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life, then you will probably be really angry and respond to this with nonsense diatribe. Either way, God help us when the gate slams shut. With all due respect, yes, we disagree but I am not missing the point. We just have different views. To tell me to go live in Europe if I want Socialism (which I don't) is not your call and is a bit presumptuous of you. Socialism is just the buzz word in this campaign that pro-McCain voters are latching onto and buying into. If FDR introduced The New Deal today, which brought this country out of The Geat Depression, something tells me it would be called Socialism by the McCain camp. The bottom line is to give as many Americans as possible the tools to improve their lives, not to give them a handout. Americans that work 2 or 3 jobs and still can't make ends meet are not asking for a handout. They are working hard but still falling short. That's where education comes in but I guess government incentives to further one's education would be considered a handout too by the McCain camp. To illustrate your point with a story is fine but to say "see if you can make the comparison .." is condescending. I am voting Obama/Biden and let's just leave it at that because opinions can't be argued. Take care.
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The Case for Barack Obama Obama is pushing to change the parameters of the country's comfort zone. That's leadership. By Fareed Zakaria, Newsweek, Oct 18, 2008, From the issue dated Oct 27, 2008 http://www.newsweek.com/id/164498
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mustangsally10:
This is for all you 'free market' worshipers of Reagan & Thatcher. Proponents of 'less government' intervension in financial markets. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ah5qh9Up4rIg&refer=home Yes, Greenspan admitting his 'ideology' of nonregulation was a mistake. Greenspan is shocked that there was greed involved If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. ALL of you deserve to be voted out into the political wilderness.....you have been a colossal failure.
Regulation of the financial industries who sell bad loans/products is entirely different than elimination of the free market! Most large companies already need to comply with regulations like Sarbanes-Oxley, that's OK. Even banks are regulated, but please don't tell me what I can pay my employees based on some concept of fairness and wealth distribution. "It's better for everybody when we spread the wealth around" - except for those who create the wealth and then lay off the people you were spreading the wealth to... The market isn't down because everyone expects McCain to win... watch out America!
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(CNN) -- A New Jersey woman told police she was attacked at an ATM in New Jersey by a robber who became angry when he saw a Barack Obama bumper sticker on her car, a spokeswoman for the New Jersey Police Department said Thursday. Police cannot confirm whether a man attacked this woman because she had an Obama sticker on her car. Public Information Officer Diane Richard said police cannot substantiate her story, however, and the investigation is ongoing. Richard said the 20-year-old told investigators a man approached her Wednesday night at an ATM, put a blade to her neck and demanded money. She said she gave him $60 and stepped away from him, Richard said. She further stated the man "punched her in the back of the head, knocking her to the ground, and he continued to punch and kick her while threatening to teach her a lesson for being an Obama supporter," according to a police statement. The woman also told police her attacker "called her a lot of names and stated that 'You are going to be a McCain supporter,' at which time she states he sat on her chest, pinning both her hands down with his knees, and scratched into her face a letter 'M' on the right side of her face using what she believed to be a very dull knife." The alleged assailant fled on foot, Richard said. "We, the police, cannot substantiate this yet," she said. "This is what she told police." The woman, who is from Texas, refused medical attention, Richard said, although she told the investigating officer she would see a doctor Thursday. There was no update on her condition, she said. Richard said the woman described her alleged attacker as a caucasian male, 5 feet 10 inches tall with a medium build and short dark hair, wearing dark clothing and shiny shoes. Obama spokeswoman David Plouffe told CNN that Obama and running mate Joe Biden "spoke to the victim and her family after learning about the incident earlier this afternoon." Plouffe said the campaign would not offer more detail out of respect for the woman's privacy. The campaign of Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain responded to the report with a statement saying, "Our thoughts and prayers are with the young woman for her to make a speedy recovery, and we hope that the person who perpetrated this crime is swiftly apprehended and brought to justice."
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Is this a second incident? The story that's all over our news is the one where the woman was attacked by an Obama supporter who carved a "B" in her check for having a McCain sticker on her car. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/?iref=hpmostpop Is there a second assault? If there is, that is terrible. The police this morning are questioning the incident I described where the woman had a 'B' carved in her check as questionable. Whether it's true or not, the whole political thing is getting out of control. People should be able to discuss viewpoints without being afraid of physical harm either to themselves, to their personal property or defamation of one's character. When I go to Seattle to visit my family, I can not wear a t-shirt or a baseball cap with any type of reference to a conservative slogan and you can not have a conservative sticker on your car or it will be keyed or spray painted. And the Bush bashing is really bad there too. Whether or not I agree with the current administration, I was always taught to dissent respectfully within the law without impeding on someone's else's rights for free speech.
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mustangsally10:
This is for all you 'free market' worshipers of Reagan & Thatcher. Proponents of 'less government' intervension in financial markets. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ah5qh9Up4rIg&refer=home Yes, Greenspan admitting his 'ideology' of nonregulation was a mistake. Greenspan is shocked that there was greed involved If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. ALL of you deserve to be voted out into the political wilderness.....you have been a colossal failure.
Billionaire investor George Soros had some enlightening observations... http://seekingalpha.com/article/71265-the-credit-bubble-deregulation-gone-wild
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mustangsally10:
This is for all you 'free market' worshipers of Reagan & Thatcher. Proponents of 'less government' intervension in financial markets.
Yes I am one of those worshippers of less government intervention especially when it comes to the government forcing banks (private institutions) to give loans to people who they would never give loans to in the first place because 'the banks' knew they would not be able to pay those loans back! But the government who supposedly knew better, had to tell private institutions how to operate their business. BTW, who started the initial run on the banks??? I believe it was a democrat (someone who works for the government) who leaked information to the press back in September which started the run on a bank where thousands of innocent people lost their entire savings. "Less government and less politicians"
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thatcher is a evil , crazy bitch, who ruined the UK , probably for good. The greed , selfish behaviour, look after no 1, attitude now results in the disgraceful behaviour seen in most British towns and cities. She crushed the working classes, and communities. We now see the results......and this shower are no better who are in power now. This photo would have been unthinkable at one time......but they are now one and the same http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_02/thathbrownDM1409_468x404.jpg http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00681/brown-thatcher-2007_681192c.jpg
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SurSteven:
mustangsally10:
This is for all you 'free market' worshipers of Reagan & Thatcher. Proponents of 'less government' intervension in financial markets.
Yes I am one of those worshippers of less government intervention especially when it comes to the government forcing banks (private institutions) to give loans to people who they would never give loans to in the first place because 'the banks' knew they would not be able to pay those loans back! But the government who supposedly knew better, had to tell private institutions how to operate their business. BTW, who started the initial run on the banks??? I believe it was a democrat (someone who works for the government) who leaked information to the press back in September which started the run on a bank where thousands of innocent people lost their entire savings. "Less government and less politicians"
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and that is just what it is your opinion as there is no basis in fact for your remarks above. You believe it was a democrat somewhere-who works for the govt. who leaked info which started the bank run
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Whew! I take it you don't like her Moggy! I can't think of one person I would use that type of description towards except a few unrepentive 'terrorists' . Right now the democrates are trying to get a bill through that would allow the government to confiscate your 401k (your personal retirement plan). They want to take control of your personal funds and combine it with social security. Re-inacting the death tax would also mean that upon your death the government would be able to take half whereas now the entire amount goes to your survivors. What right does any government have to this money? This is what I am against. Politicians taking money that you have earned and invested for yourself and your family.
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Andy_Shofar:
peacetrain:
Mikemc:
Stuff like that goes on all the time and we never read about it. Instead, we have Democrats, most of whom are multimillionaires, telling everyone we'll go after the evil rich. :
Lol! Your logic is either nonexistent or shamelessly dishonest.
Hmmm, PeaceTrain, if you are indeed a college student, we would greatly appreciate you to write an article and/or paper displaying your logic. Please make sure that it is an original presentation. Please don't keep us waiting
You ought to read Roads to Dominion by Sarah Diamond, Mobilizing Resentment by Judith somebody, Chip and Berlet's book on right-wing populism to get started. Btw, why suggest I may not be a college student?! Very odd...
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I heard a little blurb today that a 20 y/o white woman (who happens to be a volunteer for the McCain camp) who had accused 'a big black man' of attacking her at an ATM in Pittsburgh is now confessing that it was made up. The McCain camp evidently jumped on this and now has a little egg on their collective faces - Could this affect the elections in several weeks (as Fox News is inferring)? As an aside, this woman went as far as to scar her own face to convince everyone she had been attacked.
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And now to show I'm neutral, here's a little jab at the other candidate Actually this sucks - I'm glad I moved my 401K into a Traditional IRA when I changed jobs last fall Obama, Dems Seek to End 401(k) Plans By Mark Impomeni Oct 24th 2008 9:00AM Filed Under:eDemocrats, Barack Obama, 2008 President Sen. Barack Obama's Democratic allies in Congress are looking into a radical new plan that would fundamentally change the way Americans save for retirement. House Democrats recently heard testimony on the idea and, under a potential Obama administration, would likely move to put it in place. Democrats want to seize the money that workers currently invest in their 401(k) plans and replace the popular retirement savings accounts with a one-size-fits-all government sponsored retirement account. Under the scheme, Americans would be forced to transfer all of their hard earned retirement savings from their 401(k) to the government. The government would contribute $600 a year to fund each account and would pay a rate of return of around three percent in interest. The government would also mandate that each worker contribute 5% of their yearly salary to the accounts. Under current law, workers with 401(k) plans contribute to their retirement accounts and earn interest tax free. The Democrats' plan would end those tax breaks, amounting to as much as a 15% tax hike on each American worker. Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA) said recently that Democrats had better ideas for the $80 billion that Americans contribute to their 401(k) plans each year. "We have to start thinking about whether or not we want to continue to invest that $80 billion for a policy that's not doing what we say it should." Sen. Obama would likely sign on to the plan as president. Obama, McDermott, and Congressional Democrats miss the point that under current law, Americans have control over their retirement savings, where and how it is invested, and when and how much they contribute. The idea to nationalize retirement savings is another example of Democrats' socialist proclivities. They want control of Americans' retirement to reside in Washington DC, not on Main St., all in the name of "retirement security."
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SurSteven:
mustangsally10:
This is for all you 'free market' worshipers of Reagan & Thatcher. Proponents of 'less government' intervension in financial markets.
Yes I am one of those worshippers of less government intervention especially when it comes to the government forcing banks (private institutions) to give loans to people who they would never give loans to in the first place because 'the banks' knew they would not be able to pay those loans back! But the government who supposedly knew better, had to tell private institutions how to operate their business. BTW, who started the initial run on the banks??? I believe it was a democrat (someone who works for the government) who leaked information to the press back in September which started the run on a bank where thousands of innocent people lost their entire savings. "Less government and less politicians"
That was New York Senator Chuck Schumer who caused a panic on some banks located in California. He can't keep his nose out of other peoples business. If he was sure he was right, which he wasn't, he should have privately called one of the two senators from California instead of hogging the camera for face time.
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deKooningartist:
SurSteven:
mustangsally10:
This is for all you 'free market' worshipers of Reagan & Thatcher. Proponents of 'less government' intervension in financial markets.
Yes I am one of those worshippers of less government intervention especially when it comes to the government forcing banks (private institutions) to give loans to people who they would never give loans to in the first place because 'the banks' knew they would not be able to pay those loans back! But the government who supposedly knew better, had to tell private institutions how to operate their business. BTW, who started the initial run on the banks??? I believe it was a democrat (someone who works for the government) who leaked information to the press back in September which started the run on a bank where thousands of innocent people lost their entire savings. "Less government and less politicians"
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and that is just what it is your opinion as there is no basis in fact for your remarks above. You believe it was a democrat somewhere-who works for the govt. who leaked info which started the bank run
What DeKooning said isn't opinion, it is fact. We wouldn't be in this mess now if Democrats didn't force banks to give mortgages to people who didn't have the means to repay, or had the means but had poor credit. It was too much regulation that caused banks to collapse, not too little. Between Democrats like Barney, Dodd, and Obama and Obama's group of thugs called ACORN the mortgage market had to collapse. When those deadbeats got to buy homes with no money down they walked away when the real estate bubble burst and their homes were worth less than what they owe. Responsible people are paying mortgages that cost more than their home is currently worth, but they pay because they entered into a legal agreement. The deadbeats who walked away stuck the rest of us with the bill. Owning a home is not a birthright.
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the drive by conservative media dominates the a.m. radio waves during the day.......the staunchest right wing/mccain/palin supporter in this media makes 50 million dollars a year simply for expressing his opinions publicly.......if a man working at a productive job is paid $10 per hour U.S. plus benefits...he will make around 1 million dollars in his 50 year productive working career it must be nice to be paid 2,500 times more than the average working american!