The ..2012.... Political thread
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LCH:
Bush seems to be the whipping boy du jour.
Let's rate the American Presidents by the challenges faced during their term(s) of office. Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Truman...you choose others if you like. What tests the mettle of a President ? Which endured the greatest hardships ? This exercise might better inform our current choice.
Another vote -- blab away
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mustangsally10:
Yes, just a few days left of the war mongers and the bu$h doctrine(if you don't know what that is ask Palin
) Tuesday night this is what it will be like all over the US :
Hate to rain on the parade but nothing changes after tuesday....Bush remains in office until January 20, 2009. Can't wait to see what happens should Obama win and he can't pull the rabbits out of the hat as he suggested.
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Mikemc:
Mikemc quotes in blue. [quote="jaipur" in Bold[ b]Sounds like you're basing this on a false assumption....that all of us will be "physically or mentally abled"....not necessarily true....then what? Hi Jaipur, No way will all of us be physically and/or mentally abled all our lives especially as we age. I wouldn't even think like that. There was always and will always be people who are physically and/or mentally disabled and the government should make available all resources to help such people. But the government is so screwed up. My friends mother is 101 and went into a nursing home last year after falling and breaking her hip. Besides medicare she had medicaid. At 99 a caseworker did a home visit to assess her needs. Her son told the caseworker she needs 24 hour round the clock care at home. NO GOOD. Medicaid would only pay for 12 hours even though the caseworker conceded she needs to be watched all the time but will probably lose her job if she approves 24/7 care. I guess she has quota like traffic agents and cops. That's government health care with rationing. Now she's in a home getting care not as good as when someone was at home with her. It's also costing medicaid over $10k a month. The other and more logical way would be a home care attendant around the clock for less than $6,500 a month. Hey Mike, good to see you again. I wouldn't say the experience you described is atypical as Medicaid is managed differently depending on what state you're in. Up here Medicaid does support care in the home whenever possible, as you point out, it's less costly. Medicaid here also supports PCA (personal care attendants) and also has a program for the elderly that coordinates things. [/b [ Part of it was she was too arrogant and would not reach consensus with the legislators....my way, or no way is not the way to get it done. Also, the Hillary today appears to be different that the Hillary in 1993 or so.
She also held meetings behind closed doors shutting out all but the few she trusted. It angered and insulted a lot of Washington insiders. She was the presidents wife and she wasn't appointed to a cabinet position or elected to any office and she was gonna take control of 1/5 of our economy exempting the executive and legislative branches who would retain the best care. One law for them and another law for us. It was a role unfamilar to Washington....a first lady involved in policy. She didn't play her position well at all given the circumstances...agree with you there. Part of the argument though is the R&D is done here (thus, we pay the higher costs), while other countries get the benefits (lower costs).... Yes, absolutely. It takes years to recoup the hundreds of millions to bring a single drug to market, then overseas drug companies make counterfeits often times very poor counterfeits. Not in all cases though....several drug companies in Switzerland are quite reputable.....and some of us take their drugs as well. The problem with the US drug companies, as I see it, is that they have a captive market that they are over exploiting. Recently, a study was released saying diabetes is costing more than it did seven years ago that is attributable to higher costing drugs. You don't see the drug companies putting out a "generic" form of insulin as they apparently see no reason to reduce a money maker. It already takes awhile to get an appointment because there are fewer primary care physicians. The doctors we get are educated here. My state has many teaching hospitals, thus our state costs for health care are the highest in the world.....repeat, highest in the world. Health care is not rationed here, there is private sector insurance along with the public sector, and sometimes a combination, private sector (Blue Cross) with a portion subsidized by government. Of course the individual chooses what they want....sounds like a market doesn't it?
97% of our citizens are now covered by health insurance, the key to open the door to care...no other state is higher. Google it. Now we work on costs, not an easy thing.:wink: I don't doubt the high cost in Massachusetts. I've been using the same doctor for over 20 years and I always get a same day appointment. If I'm referred to a specialist it usually takes two to three weeks. At such times as needed my doctor will call and get an expedite. When I needed an mri last month the appointment took one day. Same here...except for me I don't need a referral to see a specialist....I can see anyone I damn well like.
Many people can get there....what about the rest? Working hard doesn't get everyone where they need to be. The working hard part isn't the problem. It's working hard for such a long time knowing it's gonna take quite a bit of time after that to slowly reap the rewards. Mon to Fri he was going from 6am to 11pm and spent most weekends at the library. There was no internet resources at his disposal. Me personally, I wouldn't have been up for such a commitment. I know just how far I would be willing to go and any lost opportunities is of my own doing. I can't blame anyone else for not having gotten this or that. Yes all of us make choices and know what moves us. There are others though where their efforts are thwarted and blame for that is reasonable. What a person does and how they handle that varies....some rise above it, some don't. My observation is that there are many that do what they can do: get educated, work hard, et al, yet are thwarted in achieving what is necessary, not because they're lazy, stupid...I've seen many people in this predicament and they are loathe to ask anyone, let alone government for help....perhaps you need to tell them: "tough, you get squat"?? I don't know....
That makes me think of my parents generation. Too proud to take a hand up because they saw it as a hand out. Most I know from that generation were/are immigrants with little in the way of formal education and they all did well in the end because they worked hard, put in long hours, and saved whenever they could and saw to it their kids got the hand up from them and no one else. It was possible back then for those with little education....today it's very different. As I mentioned to someone else, you can work hard, bust your ass, and not get to where you need to be. It's more complicated going from point a to point b today then it was back then unfortunately.
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Do you think that the human race will ever get it's shit together?
god bless this board!
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We seem to be going over old ground here.....the US and UK funding and backing saddam http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html Yes it is a indisputable point that saddam gassed his own people......but you tend to leave the indisputable points at that stage. Delve further into most attrocities , and trouble and the letters US and GB will soon crop up. Many people say ( including myself) that it is our leaders , not the people , who start wars. After bush winning 2 elections and blair 3, if mccain wins, this arguement no longer holds water......the public get what the public want.
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i think the french girl with the statue of liberty is rather cute...we used to fight for noble causes... http://www.iowanationalguard.com/Museum/CDStory/CDstory/LibertyStatuepage.htm ...note the reference to Baker St. and listen to the song Baker Street Blues by Gerry Rafferty
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it feels strange to see posters on this site who don't want obama to win. well, he is going to win, get ready for it
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SusyLuvsPaul:
it feels strange to see posters on this site who don't want obama to win. well, he is going to win, get ready for it
Nice positive message for the world
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mustangsally10:
Yes, just a few days left of the war mongers and the bu$h doctrine(if you don't know what that is ask Palin
) Tuesday night this is what it will be like all over the US :
I am afraid i must pull you up about yout post........it will be like this on Tuesday night
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moggy:
We seem to be going over old ground here.....the US and UK funding and backing saddam http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html Many people say ( including myself) that it is our leaders , not the people , who start wars. After bush winning 2 elections and blair 3, if mccain wins, this arguement no longer holds water......the public get what the public want.
For the couple of people on the planet who refute the US and UK backing Iraq...... proof ( not that this is needed, it is common knowledge) Congressonal record , and the factories that made the weapons.
Hopefully bush ,blair, cheeney, brown, campbell and co may at some stage end up in a courtroom. -
according to statistics of those who have already voted in early voting, Obama already has enough votes to win over 300 electoral votes which are enough for him to win the Presidency, so he's already won !!!!!!!!!!! Praise God !! But go vote anyway on November 4, Please (I feel confident that most Macca fans want the Dems to win, not the GOP) !!!!
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I'm a Republican!
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jaipur:
mustangsally10:
Yes, just a few days left of the war mongers and the bu$h doctrine(if you don't know what that is ask Palin
) Tuesday night this is what it will be like all over the US :
Hate to rain on the parade but nothing changes after tuesday....Bush remains in office until January 20, 2009. Can't wait to see what happens should Obama win and he can't pull the rabbits out of the hat as he suggested.
True, bush remains in office and is still trying to gut the EPA, but I have read that because of the financial crisis and also security there will be emphasis on a seamless transition with Obama naming his cabinet and especially his Treasury Sec. etc. very early so to be working with bush officials before Jan.20 I think Obama has the greatest possibility for success of his agenda as he will have a greater majority in congress and the senate though I don't think we will get 60 seats. Also his political skills give him a greater possiblity of success. The guy defeated Clinton and in all probablity will be defeating McCain. Two formidable opponents. The guy is a phenom. Though I don't think he will accomplish everything he wants, I am looking forward to watching brillance in action.
Also one of the reasons Biden was chosen was for his legislative skills. I think Biden will help Obama immensely in that area
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moggy:
mustangsally10:
Yes, just a few days left of the war mongers and the bu$h doctrine(if you don't know what that is ask Palin
) Tuesday night this is what it will be like all over the US :
I am afraid i must pull you up about yout post........it will be like this on Tuesday night
I thought of that but left it for you to put up...fantastic! I read that Martha Reeves is now a member of the Detroit City Council and I'll bet she is beside herself with pride. The celebrations will be mainly in the urban areas and I think it will be like many of our largest cities all winning the super bowl at the same time
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The world endorses Obama: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/01/elections-obama-mccain-usa-bush
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mustangsally10:
moggy:
mustangsally10:
Yes, just a few days left of the war mongers and the bu$h doctrine(if you don't know what that is ask Palin
) Tuesday night this is what it will be like all over the US :
I am afraid i must pull you up about yout post........it will be like this on Tuesday night
I thought of that but left it for you to put up...fantastic! I read that Martha Reeves is now a member of the Detroit City Council and I'll bet she is beside herself with pride. The celebrations will be mainly in the urban areas and I think it will be like many of our largest cities all winning the super bowl at the same time
I was only messing
A interesting comment fron your link QUOTE Though we lack the vote, this is our election too. Such statements outrage many Americans and inspire others. But the rest of the world has not just lived this election. Our life chances and societies will also be shaped by what happens next Tuesday. The world has an interest in the outcome because, in spite of everything, America remains the world's pre-eminent military, political, financial and cultural power. America's standing in the world has been damaged during the Bush years. He has inflicted massive direct harm to many parts of the world through his military actions, has set back the quality of life on our planet by his indifference to climate change, international cooperation and the rule of law. He has been anti-Americanism's best recruiting sergeant and al-Qaida's too. The world may not have the vote on Tuesday. But it certainly has a candidate. That candidate is Senator Barack Obama. If the world could vote on November 4, Mr Obama would win by a landslide. Polling shows him preferred in Egypt by two to one, in Poland by three to one, in Canada by five to one, in Brazil by six to one, in Britain by seven to one, in France by 11 to one and in Kenya by more than 17 to one. He is not just the preferred choice of liberal Europeans. He is also the choice of the rest of the world, of all races and creeds - and of young people in particular. No buses crammed with lawyers would be needed to validate the accuracy of these votes. He commands this support, not only because he is not George Bush but because he personifies so much of what the world still admires about America. Americans ought to think about that. The world longs, perhaps unrealistically but palpably nevertheless, for a new America. Only Mr Obama can provide that QUOTE People have had enough.....i certainly have. All we need now is a decent leader for the UK, instead of cheek A and cheek b .....i hope you have a great day
i know youve worked hard. The mccain after party
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If I'm not mistaken, PA is a state that McCain desparately needs if he has any hopes of winning. Therefore, it was probably not too smart for Palin to go to Pittsburgh and announce how great it is to be in the same state as the World Series Champions Philadelphia Phillies
She got booed
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SusyLuvsPaul:
according to statistics of those who have already voted in early voting, Obama already has enough votes to win over 300 electoral votes which are enough for him to win the Presidency, so he's already won !!!!!!!!!!! Praise God !! But go vote anyway on November 4, Please (I feel confident that most Macca fans want the Dems to win, not the GOP) !!!!
Funny....people were very confident that Dewey won the presidency in 1948 and Nixon in 1960....uh, they didn't.
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mustangsally10:
The world endorses Obama: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/01/elections-obama-mccain-usa-bush
They don't get a vote.
And I'm very happy about that. Funny how the world is compelled to reflect on this country's leaders.....while not taking care of their own.
I do hope that any of the international news crews will try to remember not to ask the people in line to vote whom they are voting for......so inappropriate....and illegal in this state anyway
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mustangsally10:
jaipur:
mustangsally10:
Yes, just a few days left of the war mongers and the bu$h doctrine(if you don't know what that is ask Palin
) Tuesday night this is what it will be like all over the US :
Hate to rain on the parade but nothing changes after tuesday....Bush remains in office until January 20, 2009. Can't wait to see what happens should Obama win and he can't pull the rabbits out of the hat as he suggested.
True, bush remains in office and is still trying to gut the EPA, but I have read that because of the financial crisis and also security there will be emphasis on a seamless transition with Obama naming his cabinet and especially his Treasury Sec. etc. very early so to be working with bush officials before Jan.20 They always name the cabinet early but they don't necessarily "work" with them. Look for the treasury secy as a first pick because of recent events. Security?? What of it?? He's had the secret service since January.
I think Obama has the greatest possibility for success of his agenda as he will have a greater majority in congress and the senate though I don't think we will get 60 seats. That's a problem as far as any new treaties are concerned and allows the republicans to beat a bill to death. Also his political skills give him a greater possiblity of success. The guy defeated Clinton and in all probablity will be defeating McCain. Two formidable opponents. The guy is a phenom. Though I don't think he will accomplish everything he wants, I am looking forward to watching brillance in action.
Also one of the reasons Biden was chosen was for his legislative skills. I think Biden will help Obama immensely in that area
Well, Biden's no LBJ....Civil Rights became law because of a southern Texan, not because of the Harvard Phenom.....civil rights was lanquishing in congress before Kennedy's untimely death. Even if you have a Harvard Phenom as president, doesn't mean their agenda is enacted.