The ..2012.... Political thread
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Hang on while I turn on my political brainwashing machine... <click> <whiiiiiiiiirrrrr> <beep> <beep> <beep> Ok you win I am in the tank for Obama too... We can't afford 4 more years of the past 8 of George Bush's failed policies and McCain voted with him 95% of the time. Obama will bring us the change we need.
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One day you will think about this day .... the day you had the most freedom in your life - sad it will soon be a memory One of the candidates will take it away quicker than the other .... and you will wonder why the house was bulldozed down - when all that needed to be repaired was a light switch and a few nail holes in the wall that needed to be spakled. I see it as sad and not the kind of change that I want to see .... I don't have a good feeling about either candidate woooooosh --- there goes the towel into the ring as I still vote but throw my vote away to the 3rd or 4th party A good word about Barack Obama --- he knows how to raise money for a campaign -- and how to spend close to two years running for the office. Charisma -- good at speeches. John McCain -- thanks for serving your country in the military and politics ..... you would make a good Democrat (I don't look at you as a Republican) . Sad also is the loss of checks and balances if the Democrat party owns the House, the Senate and the President Wow this is real upbeat
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moggy:
[I consider myself a socialist, and the main point to me is to look after people less fortunate than yourself......the elderly, the sick, the poor....the disabled . Of course it will never work ( people are to greedy ) .....but its a fine proud tradition, and the closer we can get to it the better. I in no way at all think that i should get the same money as my boss, and a roadsweepr the same as a Doctor........but things could be a whole lot better , and fairer......but this is where greed and capitalism comes in.......sod the rest......im alright jack......thatcher
I believe the same in caring for the sick, elderly and disabled. But unfortuantely that's not where our tax dollars are going too! Politicians are the worse when it comes to managing. The waste is incredible. And now they want more money? Helping the disabled, the sick, the elderly unfortunately in our country is just retoric to get votes. If you watch C-Span and examine their records, both personal and otherwise, you would see where I am coming from. It's disgraceful.
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deKooningartist:
moggy:
[I consider myself a socialist, and the main point to me is to look after people less fortunate than yourself......the elderly, the sick, the poor....the disabled . Of course it will never work ( people are to greedy ) .....but its a fine proud tradition, and the closer we can get to it the better. I in no way at all think that i should get the same money as my boss, and a roadsweepr the same as a Doctor........but things could be a whole lot better , and fairer......but this is where greed and capitalism comes in.......sod the rest......im alright jack......thatcher
I believe the same in caring for the sick, elderly and disabled. But unfortuantely that's not where our tax dollars are going too! Politicians are the worse when it comes to managing. The waste is incredible. And now they want more money? Helping the disabled, the sick, the elderly unfortunately in our country is just retoric to get votes. If you watch C-Span and examine their records, both personal and otherwise, you would see where I am coming from. It's disgraceful.
You have to ask yourself. Is heath care a commodity? Or a human right?
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Appletart, Everyone in this world is born into it. Who is to say that someone owes you free health care from cradle to grave? What right does an anyone have to make demands of others? Nobody owes you, me, or anyone else around here anything. There is no such thing as "free". Owning a car is not a birthright, owning a home is not a birthright either. And it's not up to someone else to feed you either. Why should I have to work harder to take care of you? Better yet, should you have to work harder and longer each week to take care of me? Mind you, I'm not talking about people who are physically or mentally disabled. I'm also not talking about elderly people who paid taxes all their life either. Certain people deserves more rights than others. If you are healthy and able you deserve only what you can afford, nothing more and nothing less.
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If the Democrats get the executive branch and a super majority in both houses of Congress America will be a third world country in less than a generation. The first of many rights we will lose is the First Amendment when the Dems push through something called the Fairness Doctrine.
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Mikemc:
If the Democrats get the executive branch and a super majority in both houses of Congress America will be a third world country in less than a generation. The first of many rights we will lose is the First Amendment when the Dems push through something called the Fairness Doctrine.
Fairness Doctrine? That's A Horrible Thought!
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40 hours in a week x 50 working weeks in a year = 2,000 hours 2,000 x 7 dollars per hour = above federal and below state minimum legally allowable hourly wage = $14,000 dollars per year when the rich get richer.......low paid working people get poorer and poorer god bless democrats!
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BandontheRun:
Here's the wikipedia definition of Socialists, you can just change that to "Obama Supporters" and it means the same thing.... hmmmSocialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
BotR, In all due respect, Wikipedia entries can be contributed by anyone who chooses to add information to an entry. Therin lies plenty of opportunity for inaccuracies. I am an Obama suporter and I can assure you I am not a Socialist and I highly resent your implication "hmmm"! I thought we had a good, civil discussion going even though we have different views but your example has landed civility in the ditch and McCain supporters seem unable to let go of negative campaining buzz words such as Socialist. Where would this country be without the policies of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt that brought this country out of The Great Depression? : I suppose you would have called Income Tax and Social Security too much Government in the 1940's and would have preferred that the U.S. economy continue on its downward spiral instead of break free of The Great Depression? : Would you have labeled President Franklin D. Rosevelt a Socialist too? : I know we agreed to disagree but your Wikipedia example where you imply Socialist and Obama Supporters are one in the same is in poor taste, but you do have your right to free speech. If tongue -in- cheek sarcasm was your intent it failed miserably. We are Americans, one country and to have an election create such divisiveness is ridiculous! Take the high road and vote Obama/McCain. Take care.
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Some facts: The rich are for McCain - generally true however The Super Rich are for Obama - which is even more-so true Why : The super rich are those with net assets of $30 million or more. In many cases they inherited their wealth and/or married into that wealth. They have their wealth tied up into tax exempt bonds or trust accounts or other investments out of the reach of normal folk. In all these cases the tax rates are zero or less than those of the wage earner and/or average taxpayer. And they (the super rich) who favor Obama, expect something something in return! Hanging out or being friends with the super rich will often cost you and the rest of the country. What : - They expect an insiders word on how to get richer And that is somethin the Obama insiders camp (a closed group to most politicians) will be glad to bestow because of their above the average $$$ support (which in most cases - is only a few trinkets to them). Evidence: The Kennedy Family support George Soros support And many, many more of similar padding ... Are any of them getting poorer? NO!!! Please note: even Barack & Michelle are behaving like the rich - they have their life savings tied up in Tax Exempt Bonds. They will have nothing to do with sharing that wealth Which brings up a good point: what business do those of much more modest means have with voting like the super rich since they will never share their wealth : :
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SurSteven:
40 hours in a week x 50 working weeks in a year = 2,000 hours 2,000 x 7 dollars per hour = above federal and below state minimum legally allowable hourly wage = $14,000 dollars per year when the rich get richer.......low paid working people get poorer and poorer god bless democrats!
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Mikemc:
Appletart, Everyone in this world is born into it. Who is to say that someone owes you free health care from cradle to grave? What right does an anyone have to make demands of others? Nobody owes you, me, or anyone else around here anything. There is no such thing as "free". Owning a car is not a birthright, owning a home is not a birthright either. And it's not up to someone else to feed you either. Why should I have to work harder to take care of you? Better yet, should you have to work harder and longer each week to take care of me? Mind you, I'm not talking about people who are physically or mentally disabled. I'm also not talking about elderly people who paid taxes all their life either. Certain people deserves more rights than others. If you are healthy and able you deserve only what you can afford, nothing more and nothing less.
Hummm!! car owner ship VS health care. Ok let me reword it. Heath care services up until Wall Street saw it as a profitable gig, used to be a calling. Most hospitals were run by religious organization and were mostly charity. No one would ever turn a sick person away for lack of payment. Fast forward. The creation of medical insurances(or known in the streets of little Italy, as Guido) Once formed they were supposed to (for a fee) cover your medical coverage. However as they involved they lobby hard to pass laws to give them more rights to not pay. they also got government to join in threw lobbying and once government employees all over the US had great medical insurances, no one cared about the rest of the public. Why if our current system is so fair. Why do government employees have such better coverage than you or I can buy. You congressperson serves 6 years and get LIFETIME medical paid for. With a trillion dollar government secured sugar tit for the insurances industry to suck from, they don't have a lot of interest in insuring the rest of the public. They get so over paid by government that they don't want the regular guy. Plus they get to stick it too the self employed. As the insurances company became more powerful (because they cheat people and don't pay for what there suppose to) they ended up driving health care threw the roof and now if you don't have medical in many cases, you can't get any medical service. OUR system is broken! Broken! What being proposed is currently being used in every country but ours. You and I will both pay one price for insurances. Government will than pay a fair price for all services and contol price gouging which we don't have now. Doctor want it the sick want it and the healthy should want it. You payment will be like 50 month VS mine which is 589 a month. The medical community and insurances industry and been plotting and planning for years. Raising prices threw the roof assuming years ago we would of went on socialized medicine but Wall street was making too much money and the drug companies. They don't want it. Now we have a false inflated medical system. You go to Canada and you can buy drugs sooooooo much cheaper than the same drug is produced here. Why because that what the country would pay. We have no one in our country taking care of us. We are being exployed as a country because we do have means here. So everyone can over charge the rich american. Your schooling is paid for and so should your health care. Change is a good and important thing. No one should have to worry about getting sick. They should just be helped to get well. Your being brain washed. Hey look at it like a Rep would look at it. Spend it on YOU or they'll spend in on some Iraqi or worse AIG CEO. It will cost less if all are on the same program.
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Mike I hope you get this because is scares me to think you don't. Its like where the deprogramer when you need them. Mccain answer 5000 tax credit. Ya that going to go for health care sure. Most American will use it to pay off bills and the insurance industry will raise the price of insurances and pay out less. Get a clue!
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Ok one more example No dental insurance my dentist told me if I did all he thinks I need it would be 10,000 He said I had three choices. Wait and the work would get more expensive Pull my teeth out (fuck you) Or get a loan and pay interest to get all the work done. After reading a article about what a deal our exchange rate was in Canada. How a latte here was 3.00 but 1.57 with exchange rate. I went bingo. I got a quote from a Canada dentist than called my American dentist and told him. "Hey guess what? I have another choice Canada". I paid 4700 VS 10,000.
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Mikemc:
If the Democrats get the executive branch and a super majority in both houses of Congress America will be a third world country in less than a generation. The first of many rights we will lose is the First Amendment when the Dems push through something called the Fairness Doctrine.
This is a mind-bogglingly preposterous statement. First, there have been plenty of eras when the Democrats controlled both the White House and both houses of Congress with overwhelming majorities. One was under Franklin Roosevelt, when the nation was lifted out of the Great Depression and defeated Hitler. Another was under Lyndon Johnson, during which we passed civil rights, voting rights, and some of the greatest prosperity the nation ever knew. Oh, and the Fairness Doctrine was in effect then, and the First Amendment was alive and well.
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McCain employs lobbyist, Saddam Hussein lobbyist.
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Attention all who participated in early voting we have now become the established group who have the right to complain as we have put our two cents in already. I voted for Obama love doris.
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I guess Mike forgot the rights we lost with this administration. Three words The Patriotic act.
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This is hilarious Steve Colbert endorses Obama: http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=189700 Enjoy!
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