The ..2012.... Political thread
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I love the U.S.A. and have the right to espouse the candidates I choose. I'm not "against America" because I'm a pacifist and hate war. violence makes me ill, and i couldnt understand bush and cohorts thinking it's cool (war). mccain was into warfare too, big time. dont worry, obama will doubtless get more hawkish now that he's won and also its said presidents all move to the center, though it didnt look like bush did, very often. mccain almost always voted according to bush's policies, following him, and we had a belly full of bush behavior which led to the trillions dollar deficit, more pollution and environmental woes, people dying in war, the wealthiest being pandered to, etc. several in here compared obama to hitler so how could they say i lied about that. they wrote it here for all to see.
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Matthew_Montoya:
moggy:
( i am not anti anybody)
moogy:
i am anti bush, anti bLair (does that make me anti British ?), anti illegal wars and lies.
Do I even need to respond to this one?
moogy:
The US under bush is the most hated nation in the world ( with the UK 2nd)
And the day we decide our policies based on what the entire world thinks is when I will shudder.
Is bush and bLiar a race of people ? or individuals ? Maybe , just maybe what the entire world thinks, is maybe the reason behind terrorism.....so you dont want terrorism to end do you not ? I have never come across as many blinkered , short sighted bitter people in my life.
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mustangsally10:
JennyLP:
mustangsally10:
I'm happy I don't have to leave the country I couldn't have taken four more years. As long as McCain followed the republican failed philosopy he would have been a disaster. He was gracious in his consession speech, it was the best speech I have heard him give.
Oh please....you would have left the country? Let's not get overly dramatic.....and as for his best speech ever, it was gracious and classy but that's the type of man he is.....you just haven't been listening.
Many people have been thinking of leaving if McCain had been elected. I hope Obama can work us out of this ditch. I am hopeful he can. You all don't seem to realize what a mess our country has been in...until tonight. The whole world knows how weak we have become if you don't you are in la la land
I am not in any means in La La Land...thank you very much. Just because one doesn't have your same opinions doesn't make them insane or out of reality.......I do realize the mess that our country was in.....but I do not believe that was McCain's fault, because guess what? It wasn't and I up to now cannot believe that Obama will get us out of this mess.....WE SHALL SEE!
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Matthew_Montoya:
And the day we decide our policies based on what the entire world thinks is when I will shudder.
Well now you know how the rest of the world feels when America tells them how they should conduct themselves. The global financial crisis didn't start in Berlin or Hong Kong. In the next few days and weeks, you will see an outpouring of goodwill towards the United States not seen since Sept 11th. Use it wisely this time.
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appletart2:
Matthew_Montoya:
appletart2:
Well American send a clear message. Bush your fired!
Hi... you must be new to the country. You see, after a President finishes two terms, he cannot run again. Therefore, even if John McCain wins, Bush will no longer be President as of January 20th, 2009. Therefore, Bush can't be "fired." Here's the U.S. Constitution: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html Read it, sometime...
I know how many terms a president can run. It applys to governor too like Bloomberg of NY who running for a 3rd term. Bush could'nt get elected dog catcher but if he could, he would run his stepford wife or his dog if he thought he keep his power. If you didn't get the message. He and his policy is over and any Bush want to be's too. Bush his kids and his kids kids. A political Dynasty is over. Maybe you McCain supporters didn't see what the other 2/3rds saw. We don't want 4 more years of Bush Policy and we not taking any chances.
Bloomberg is not governor of New York State. He's the Mayor of NYC. Duh! As far as Bush the dog catcher is concerned the dogs in the Democrat controlled Congress have a lower rating than Bush. And the Obama media have a lower rating than Congress. There is an upside and an irony to Obama's election. The upside: the word crisis won't be heard on the news anymore. It might even get deleted from the dictionary. The irony: for over 200 years a black man couldn't get elected president because of his skin color. Today America elected a black man because of his skin color.
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Bill:
Matthew_Montoya:
And the day we decide our policies based on what the entire world thinks is when I will shudder.
Well now you know how the rest of the world feels when America tells them how they should conduct themselves. The global financial crisis didn't start in Berlin or Hong Kong. In the next few days and weeks, you will see an outpouring of goodwill towards the United States not seen since Sept 11th. Use it wisely this time.
Bill, you are 100% right. The global financial crisis started right here in America.
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Bill:
Matthew_Montoya:
And the day we decide our policies based on what the entire world thinks is when I will shudder.
Well now you know how the rest of the world feels when America tells them how they should conduct themselves. The global financial crisis didn't start in Berlin or Hong Kong. In the next few days and weeks, you will see an outpouring of goodwill towards the United States not seen since Sept 11th. Use it wisely this time.
Looks like some dont want it Bill
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Bill:
Well now you know how the rest of the world feels when America tells them how they should conduct themselves.
So what you're saying is that the man who just got elected President (also leader of the free world), who based his campaign on change and also on his drive to want to change not just the U.S., but also the world... won't tell the rest of the world how to conduct themselves? I'm just trying to clarify this.
Bill:
The global financial crisis didn't start in Berlin or Hong Kong. In the next few days and weeks, you will see an outpouring of goodwill towards the United States not seen since Sept 11th. Use it wisely this time.
So popularity = good?
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Can he give Congressional Medals of Honor ( impeccable manners, i use the US spelling) to the people that made his victory possible, The Executives of Lehman's etc?
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Mikemc:
Bill, you are 100% right. The global financial crisis started right here in America.
Thanks Mike, and my commiserations. I always had a lot of respect for John McCain. If the McCain who had run in 2000 had run this year, I think it would have been a whole lot closer and I would have been happy with either result. It was nice to see a flash of the real McCain tonight.
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JennyLP:
mustangsally10:
JennyLP:
mustangsally10:
I'm happy I don't have to leave the country I couldn't have taken four more years. As long as McCain followed the republican failed philosopy he would have been a disaster. He was gracious in his consession speech, it was the best speech I have heard him give.
Oh please....you would have left the country? Let's not get overly dramatic.....and as for his best speech ever, it was gracious and classy but that's the type of man he is.....you just haven't been listening.
Many people have been thinking of leaving if McCain had been elected. I hope Obama can work us out of this ditch. I am hopeful he can. You all don't seem to realize what a mess our country has been in...until tonight. The whole world knows how weak we have become if you don't you are in la la land
I am not in any means in La La Land...thank you very much. Just because one doesn't have your same opinions doesn't make them insane or out of reality.......I do realize the mess that our country was in.....but I do not believe that was McCain's fault, because guess what? It wasn't and I up to now cannot believe that Obama will get us out of this mess.....WE SHALL SEE!
Your statement makes no sense. On the one hand you admit the country is in a mess. Well McCain did not offer a different direction financially or in foriegn policy and thats where we are in a mess. Many of you have an ideological blindspot.
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Matthew_Montoya:
Bill:
Well now you know how the rest of the world feels when America tells them how they should conduct themselves.
So what you're saying is that the man who just got elected President (also leader of the free world), who based his campaign on change and also on his drive to want to change not just the U.S., but also the world... won't tell the rest of the world how to conduct themselves? I'm just trying to clarify this.
Bill:
The global financial crisis didn't start in Berlin or Hong Kong. In the next few days and weeks, you will see an outpouring of goodwill towards the United States not seen since Sept 11th. Use it wisely this time.
So popularity = good?
Boy, you're taking this hard aren't you Matt? Barack Obama was not elected leader of the free world. He was elected president of the United States. There is no leader of the free world. Get used to it. As for popularity, it's called democracy. Obama was the more popular candidate, that's why he won. Again, get used to it. I know I haven't been here for a while Matt, but you really need to refer back to some of the things you've said previously. Whatever happened to respecting the office? Whatever happened to "my" president, right or wrong? Or does that only count if the incumbant is someone you approve of, regardless of what the majority of your compatriots think? I'm just trying to clarify.
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Bill:
Mikemc:
Bill, you are 100% right. The global financial crisis started right here in America.
Thanks Mike, and my commiserations. I always had a lot of respect for John McCain. If the McCain who had run in 2000 had run this year, I think it would have been a whole lot closer and I would have been happy with either result. It was nice to see a flash of the real McCain tonight.
Hi Bill, I two had some respect for McCain until this campaign. I think he pimped it out to Rove and that shows poor judgement. I was actually afraid that he might choose Bloomberg for his veep. That would have been a stroke of genius especially with the financial crisis
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Many of you have an ideological blindspot.
That goes both ways....... As I said before.....I hope whole heartedly that Obama can take us out of this mess....but is he the right man to do it....I am not so sure. Only time will tell...... And I will repeat the slogan of the night...."We shall see"
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I feel more optamistic today than for ages...so ime fucked ed if i will let this lot spoil it You are like a lot of children throwing their toys out of the pram Is this the Paul Mccartney forum ? You wouldnt think it The great Cutis Mayfield ( he recorded this when he was paralised from the neck down.....theres spirit for you )
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Bill:
Boy, you're taking this hard aren't you Matt?
Not particularly. I'm not happy about it, but I was expecting him to win.
Bill:
Barack Obama was not elected leader of the free world. He was elected president of the United States. There is no leader of the free world. Get used to it.
Well, of course, not officially. But when the U.S., whether one likes it or not, is the country that the world looks to, you are the leader of the free world and that's a term that has been used by both conservatives and liberals for decades and it's always referred to the U.S. President. But even if you choose not to accept that term, I think we can both agree that the U.S. President is certainly the most powerful leader in the world. Or has the most influence. However you choose to phrase it. I don't say it to come off as arrogant, but rather a fact of life that has shown itself throughout history. Get used to it.
Bill:
As for popularity, it's called democracy. Obama was the more popular candidate, that's why he won. Again, get used to it.
The way you used "popularity" can be taken in more than one way, though, in that sentence. If by popularity you mean something one likes, it's not clear Obama is popular. If by popularity you mean number of votes, then yes, in a democracy usually the popular candidate wins, but not always, technically speaking we have a Republic not a Democracy; who wins the electoral college wins. But this is all besides the point. I never disputed Obama winning the popular vote.
Bill:
I know I haven't been here for a while Matt, but you really need to refer back to some of the things you've said previously. Whatever happened to respecting the office? Whatever happened to "my" president, right or wrong? Or does that only count if the incumbant is someone you approve of, regardless of what the majority of your compatriots think? I'm just trying to clarify.
The problem is, Bill, you've failed to address my point. Nowhere have I said or even implied that Obama wouldn't be my President. Unlike others, I have no plans to leave the country and I accept that Barack Obama is the 44th President of the United States. I strongly disagree with his policies and have several issues with him, and a lack of trust, but he's the President and therefore is my President; I respect that and truly do hope his term is a successful one, which I've already said. I don't wish him failure; our country can't afford that and, to me, it would simply be un-American to wish such a thing on our leader. However, respecting the office and having criticism for the President aren't mutually exclusive. But all of this has nothing to do with what I actually said. I simply responded to your point that world will be rejoicing. You brought up world opinion, and that's when I asked my question whether popularity = good, which you didn't address.
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Obama has said words to the effect that he will lead the free world.
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mustangsally10:
Bill:
Mikemc:
Bill, you are 100% right. The global financial crisis started right here in America.
Thanks Mike, and my commiserations. I always had a lot of respect for John McCain. If the McCain who had run in 2000 had run this year, I think it would have been a whole lot closer and I would have been happy with either result. It was nice to see a flash of the real McCain tonight.
Hi Bill, I two had some respect for McCain until this campaign. I think he pimped it out to Rove and that shows poor judgement. I was actually afraid that he might choose Bloomberg for his veep. That would have been a stroke of genius especially with the financial crisis
If Rove ran his campaign he probably would have won. If he made Bloomberg his vp I would have not voted for McCain.
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JennyLP:
Only time will tell......
this seems to be the mantra...now and at least for the near future... and I, for one, hope the future tells a positive story...a step (or two...or three) in the right direction, because that is definitely what we need...to get our economy out of the proverbial toilet and I would also like all the naysayers and cynics that I have been hearing over the last several weeks to be proven WRONG!!! I am so "done" with the doom and gloom that is coming out of the mouths of close-minded people because of this election and where it "seemed" to be headed...it will take TIME for anyone to even begin to fix what has happened over the last 8 years...everyone should try to have a positive attitude/outlook about the future instead of being so damned PESSIMISTIC!
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Bill:
Mikemc:
Bill, you are 100% right. The global financial crisis started right here in America.
Thanks Mike, and my commiserations. I always had a lot of respect for John McCain. If the McCain who had run in 2000 had run this year, I think it would have been a whole lot closer and I would have been happy with either result. It was nice to see a flash of the real McCain tonight.
McCain ran a lackluster campaign. There were times when I thought he didn't even want to win. But he came back in the last two months in terms of wanting to win. He had so many opportunities to make his case to the people but didn't even try. He should have let go of Joe the Plumber after a few days. Everyone heard the line about spreading the wealth. People form opinions from that. Making it the cornerstone of his campaign from that point forward was a big mistake because within a few days it wasn't news any longer, yet he kept going on and on about Joe the Plumber. Joe made an impact on the differences between them. Then it was time for McCain to move forward and the mortgage mess was the issue that could have earned him the presidency, but he didn't capitalize on it. Obama's Columbia University thesis was about Soviet nuclear proliferation but McCain never called him on why he won't release it. The title alone would peak the curiosity of many people and he could have forced Obama's hand, but he didn't. When people who followed this campaign look back in a few years what they'll remember most was that a 72 year old man was able to put in 18 hours a day. If he was juicing I want some of that juice. I can't even count how many times I yelled at the tv when McCain was spoon fed something that would help his campaign and he didn't even bite. Obama was more "user friendly". He smiled and laughed a lot. That's something that was rarely seen coming from Gore and Kerry when they ran.