The Official Football/Soccer Thread: 2017-2018 Season
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SOX PREDICTS Germany 3-1 Sweden Argentina 3-1 Mexico England 2-1 Ecuador Portugal 2-0 Netherlands Italy 2-0 Australia Switzerland 1-0 Ukraine Brazil 3-0 Ghana Spain 2-1 France
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CONGRATULATIONS SILVER/Stepan! and everyone else too. and thanx again Sox! great job ~ THIS TIME IT REALLY IS FINAL! Here are MY TOTALLY USELESS PREDICITIONS: oh well i have fun anyway!!! ops: Germany 3-1 Sweden Argentina 2-0 Mexico England 2-1 Ecuador Portugal 1- Netherlands 2 Italy 3-1 Australia Switzerland 2-1 Ukraine Brazil 3-1 Ghana Spain 3-1 France
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unclesox:
Lonely Driver:
My predictions Saturday 24 Jun Germany - Sweden 2-1 Argentina - Mexico 2-0 Sunday 25 Jun England - Ecuador 2-1 Portugal - Netherlands 0-2 Monday 26 Jun Italy - Australia 1-1, Italy wns Switzerland - Ukraine 1-2 Tuesday 27 Jun Brazil - Ghana 2-0 Spain - France 2-2, Spain wns
Denny Wingman:
Sounds good to me! (I predict that the Ukraine will win after penalties)
Just to be clear, your predictions of who wins the spot kick "shootout" has no effect on how many points you'll receive. Only the 120' scoreline will decide.
I know, but it would in lonelydriver's system, wouldn't it? I just want to make sure in case it gets adopted. I won't be around until tomorrow evening.
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congratulation to Silver Moondog for the Championship of the first round........ I may beat you round two so watch out now for my predictions Germany - Sweden 2:0 Argentina - Mexico 3:0 England - Ecuador 1:1 Portugal - Netherlands 0:2 Italy - Australia 3:1 Switzerland - Ukraine 1:0 Brazil - Ghana 2:1 Spain - France 3:2
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ooops, those are silver moondogs predictions here are mine Germany - Sweden 3-2 Argentina - Mexico 2-1 England - Ecuador 4-2 Portugal - Netherlands 1-3 Italy - Australia 3-1 Switzerland - Ukraine 1-2 Brazil - Ghana 3-0 Spain - France 2-1 thanks again unclesox, this has been such a pleasure to be part of and when should my gift for second be arriving in the mail, i live quite near you and could come pick it up if need be
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Saturday 24 Jun Germany 2-1 Sweden Argentina 3-0 Mexico Sunday 25 Jun England 2-0 Ecuador Portugal 1-2 Netherlands Monday 26 Jun Italy 2-0 Australia Switzerland 1-0 Ukraine Tuesday 27 Jun Brazil 3-1 Ghana Spain 2-1 France
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England and penalties For all you England supporters out there, there's an amazing observation someone pointed out concerning English clubs in UEFA finals and the National Team in major tournaments when penalty-kicks were needed to decide a winner. From the position of the TV camera that's showing the main international feed (usually up in the press area section): Whenever English teams have been involved in shootouts that have taken place on the LEFT SIDE of the pitch, English teams have lost: 1980 CWC Arsenal-Valencia 1990 World Cup England-Germany 1996 EURO England-Germany 1998 World Cup England-Argentina 2000 UEFA Arsenal-Galatasaray 2004 EURO England-Portugal But when the shootout took place on the RIGHT SIDE as the main camera looks down, English sides have won: 1984 UEFA Tottenham-Anderlecht 1984 ChC Liverpool-Roma 1996 EURO England-Spain 2005 CL Liverpool-Milan Get it? All coincidence of course, but perhaps David Beckham should keep this in mind, just in case.
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That's really weird! I wonder why the national team is so bad at shoot-outs, though. They've only won one and lost 4. I hope they practiced that this time.
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Here I go! My predictions Saturday 24 Jun Germany - Sweden 3-1 Argentina - Mexico 2-1 Sunday 25 Jun England - Ecuador 1-0 Portugal - Netherlands 0-1 Monday 26 Jun Italy - Australia 1-1 Switzerland - Ukraine 2-0 Tuesday 27 Jun Brazil - Ghana 2-1 Spain - France 2-1
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Predictions for tomorrow Germany-Sweden 3-1 Mexico-Argentina 2-4 :
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unclesox:
Btw, did anyone watch the Croatia-Australia game? I'll be very shocked if Graham Poll is allowed to ref another match in this tournament. Simunic received three yellows in total. FIFA's Official Match Report initially listed Simunic as having received yellows at 62', 90' and 93+' A short time later, Official Match Report was taken down for quite a while, then put up again later showing Simunic having received yellow in 62' and 93+' This was then taken down for a few minutes before being put up for good. As it is, in addition to the three English officials working the game on the pitch. the fourth and fifth officials (yes, they're using a fifth official. What his duties are isn't quite clear) are from the U.S. And they've put up a website detailing their experiences at the World Cup. (Used to help/aid aspiring refs) And they also answer questions submitted by those who visit their site. They do this all after returning from the FIFA referee headquarters. Their report on this match is very eagerly being anticipated. http://uswcrefs.carealternative.com/index.htm
"I'm working on what you are all interested in, Croatia vs Australia. Should be an update tonight (my time)." Greg Barkey is the one who normally posts the stories, I believe. He was the fifth official for Croatia-Australia. I honestly don't expect much of an admission to come from him. FIFA likely has placed an order on the whole lot to not say anything about it. Still, I'm curious to see what he writes. I submitted a question to him. Doubt he'll answer though.
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unclesox:
As it is, in addition to the three English officials working the game on the pitch. the fourth and fifth officials (yes, they're using a fifth official. What his duties are isn't quite clear) are from the U.S. And they've put up a website detailing their experiences at the World Cup. (Used to help/aid aspiring refs) And they also answer questions submitted by those who visit their site. They do this all after returning from the FIFA referee headquarters. Their report on this match is very eagerly being anticipated. http://uswcrefs.carealternative.com/index.htm "I'm working on what you are all interested in, Croatia vs Australia. Should be an update tonight (my time)." Greg Barkey is the one who normally posts the stories, I believe. He was the fifth official for Croatia-Australia. I honestly don't expect much of an admission to come from him. FIFA likely has placed an order on the whole lot to not say anything about it. Still, I'm curious to see what he writes. I submitted a question to him. Doubt he'll answer though.
As soon as I posted this, Barkey posted an update on his site. OK, I will not be giving an update tonight. Quite simply I have spent the night with Graham and the lads.... how to put it... closing the establishment. I promise that tomorrow I will have a full explanation of what is really almost unbelievable. I wouldn't believe it if I had not lived it. In fact I am still not sure it actually happened. But tonight was not a night for writing, it was a night for being with your pals and standing by them when times are bad... It was a night when you find out who your true friends are... A night when anyone who has ever refereed a match and made a mistake needs company. A night when you see the true character of a man who knows his time had come and that the absolutely unfathomable has derailed a dream. WOW! Sounds to me like Graham Poll is being sent home. Perhaps even the whole team that worked the match. Many had considered Poll a canidate to work the Final (assuming England weren't in it).
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GER 3 - SWE 2 ARG 4 - MEX 0
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My predictions Saturday 24 Jun Germany - Sweden 3-2 Argentina - Mexico 2-0 Sunday 25 Jun England - Ecuador 3-1 Portugal - Netherlands 0-2 Monday 26 Jun Italy - Australia 2-1 Switzerland - Ukraine 1-2 Tuesday 27 Jun Brazil - Ghana 2-0 Spain - France 2-1
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unclesox:
Lonely Driver:
unclesox:
I hope I haven't put anyone off with the rules for the knockout stages. If you look closely, it's very much the same thing as what we've been doing for the 1st Round. The rewarding of 1 point for predicting the winner should they win on penalty kicks makes me a bit uncomfortable, but I don't know any other way of dealing with penalty kick results. The only thing I added from the 1st Round are scoring systems in the event one of you wish to predict a draw. As I've mentioned, it's risky and I don't expect to see it too much. I reward 2 pts for predicted draws that end after extra-time to offset the 1 point rewarded if a predicted team wins via penalties. Examples: Person A predicts Team A 2-1 Team B Person B presdicts Team A 1-1 Team B If the match ends 2-2 after extra time, and Team A wins on penalty kicks... Person A gets 1 point Person B gets 2 points I feel that Person B should get a higher reward since the game ended in a draw. (Any knockout phase match that is decided on penalties, FIFA officially counts it as a drawn result) Does anyone object? I'd appreciate any feedback before Saturday's games begin. If you're against predicting draws, perhaps we can all agree that we all must predict a winner for every game for this point forward and play as we've been doing. Question is, how do we handle penalty kick results?
What about this: 1 point for predicting the winner of the game 3 points for predicting the right score after 90 or 120 minutes (this can also be a draw) 4 points when you have both right
Not sure about your logic behind this. Are you saying this: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You predict Team A to beat Team B 2-1... -- If Team A wins 2-1 after 90' or 120', you get 4 points. -- If Team A wins by a different scoreline after 90' or 120', or wins on penalty kicks, you receive 1 point. -- If Team B wins by any method, you get 0 points. -------------------------- If you predict a 1-1 score... -- If score ends 1-1 after 120', you get 4 points. (The scoreline after 90' is irrelevent, whether it's 0-0 or 1-1 or 2-2 or etc...) -- If score is 1-1 after 90' and match remains drawn after 120' but with added goals during extra-time (eg, it ends 2-2), you get 2 points. -- Along the same lines, if score is 0-0 after 120', you get 2 points. -- If score is 1-1 after 90' but a winner is determined during extra-time, you get 0 points. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is it just the simple matter of giving more points to those who are able to predict the exact scores? Tbh, I prefer the 3 pts. Most of the prediction games I play usually reward 3 pts for exact score. It's what I'm used to. But if others here like the idea of 4 points, I don't mind the change. I'll leave the option open until 1 hour before kickoff Saturday to give everyone a chance to voice their opinion. With Svenn joining in, that would be 14 total players (assuming the holdovers from the 1st Round continue to play) I'll keep quiet, leaving 13 of you all. If 7 people would rather reward 4pts for exact scoreline, we'll go with that. If more people decide to join, I'd require at least half the # of participants to agree to rewarding 4 points before allowing the change. A bit diplomatic this way. So when I wake up Saturday morning, I'll count the "4 point" votes and go from there. Hope I made sense with all that.
You´re right about this one: You predict Team A to beat Team B 2-1... -- If Team A wins 2-1 after 90' or 120', you get 4 points. -- If Team A wins by a different scoreline after 90' or 120', or wins on penalty kicks, you receive 1 point. -- If Team B wins by any method, you get 0 points. -------------------------- But with a draw: If you predict a 1-1 score... -- If score ends 1-1 after 120', you get 3 points. (And 1 point if you predicted the winner) -- If score is 1-1 after 90' and match remains drawn after 120' but with added goals during extra-time (eg, it ends 2-2), you get 1 point. -- Along the same lines, if score is 0-0 after 120', you get 1 points. -- If score is 1-1 after 90' but a winner is determined during extra-time, you get 1 points if you predicted the right winner. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It´s 3 points for the exact scoreline in total playing time (without the penalty´s) It´s 1 point for predicting the winner We could also leave out the adding, so it´s 1 or 3 points.
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Lonely Driver:
But with a draw: If you predict a 1-1 score... -- If score ends 1-1 after 120', you get 3 points. (And 1 point if you predicted the winner) -- If score is 1-1 after 90' and match remains drawn after 120' but with added goals during extra-time (eg, it ends 2-2), you get 1 point. -- Along the same lines, if score is 0-0 after 120', you get 1 points. -- If score is 1-1 after 90' but a winner is determined during extra-time, you get 1 points if you predicted the right winner.
In the first and last scenarios, you mention receiving "1 point if you predicted the winner". But it's not mentioned in the two middle situations. I assume it would apply to both of those as well, bringing the point total to 2 points received, no?
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On the other hand, I think we´d better stick to sox´ system, now that the first match is getting closer.
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unclesox:
Lonely Driver:
But with a draw: If you predict a 1-1 score... -- If score ends 1-1 after 120', you get 3 points. (And 1 point if you predicted the winner) -- If score is 1-1 after 90' and match remains drawn after 120' but with added goals during extra-time (eg, it ends 2-2), you get 1 point. -- Along the same lines, if score is 0-0 after 120', you get 1 points. -- If score is 1-1 after 90' but a winner is determined during extra-time, you get 1 points if you predicted the right winner.
In the first and last scenarios, you mention receiving "1 point if you predicted the winner". But it's not mentioned in the two middle situations. I assume it would apply to both of those as well, bringing the point total to 2 points received, no?
Sorry, I just woke up, at the time... For example, you predict 1-1 -- If score ends 1-1 after 120', you get 3 points. (And 1 point if you predicted the winner) -- If score is 1-1 after 90' and match remains drawn after 120' but with added goals during extra-time (eg, it ends 2-2), you get 0 point. (And 1 point if you predicted the winner) -- Along the same lines, if score is 0-0 after 120', you get 0 points. (And 1 point if you predicted the winner) -- If score is 1-1 after 90' but a winner is determined during extra-time, you get 1 points if you predicted the right winner. If we stick to your system, I might change my predictions, you´ll get them before the first match.
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So what, I`m a bit confused now : When I`m predicting a draw (after 90/120 minutes), do I still have to predict the winner of the overall game; for example: Liechtenstein - Greenland 2:2 (Greenland wins) :
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Saturday 24 Jun Germany - Sweden: 2-1 Argentina - Mexico: 2-0 Sunday 25 Jun England - Ecuador: 1-1 (England win) Portugal - Netherlands: 1-2 Monday 26 Jun Italy - Australia: 2-1 Switzerland - Ukraine: 1-0 Tuesday 27 Jun Brazil - Ghana: 2-0 Spain - France: 2-1