The Official Football/Soccer Thread: 2017-2018 Season
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Ammar:
21 century boy it is not the matter of if as you place it what I want is a clean Final match Holland can beat Spain in another game, although I respect the Spain team and was happy for them, they didnt show a real giant world champion image through the world cup, they cant score more than 1 Goal per match, they were lucky Holland didnt play the way they CAN really play, but thats it. Holland played badly taugh but not all the match, and van bomel specially I wished he got the red card with Uruguay, so that he wont play final, he is a bad player and made alot of mistakes that could have made Holland lose the Semi-Final but was Spain really angels on the Field?? come on the referee ruined the match with many cards, he wanted to prove that he is not against Spain, cause Spain said they were afraid of him before the game for what he did in Switzerland-Spain match.
I think Holland was not in playing a "clean final match"... If Holland would have played open Spain would have scored lots of goals instead of one. All the rivals of Spain (except Chile for some minutes) have played very defensively... with all the team near the area, pure catenaccio. Yes, there's still ways of making goals even against that but it's not so easy... And Spain didn't want to win 4-2 every game, just winning the world cup is enough... And Spain doesn't have forwards that are very good against that kind of defense... Well, they have the best forward against that defense... Raul, but he's not selected for the national team (and that's another discussion) since a lot time ago. What about the fact that Spain haven't received any goal in all the knock out rounds? I guess this has never happened before... No goal from Germany, Portugal, Paraguay and Holland. And not even much work for Casillas. if you think "the referee ruined the match with many cards" then you see it in such a different way than me that it makes no sense we keep on talking about it
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SurSteven:
21st century boy? I am of English and Danish and Swiss German descent and was born in the absolute heart of America...I have some profoundly hardworking and intelligent workmates who were born in either holland or mexico ...I keep telling them...It's only a futbol game...It's only a...foot...ball...game...
No, the world Cup is not only a football game... Some even say (Kissinger?), that is a substitute for World Wars... let it be that way forever... There are lots of good effects for Spain now. The economy will grow because of this. The financial problems will fade away (the day after the final China signed a billion dollar suprising loan to Spain, for instance). "Spain" as a commercial mark is gonna be now more linked to talent, work well done, team camaradery and being professional.... Tourism into Spain will increase... 700 milion people over the world watched the final game, it's the biggest commercial (120 minute commercial) a country can get. I'm not gonna talk about the kind of image Holland showed to the world. Now there seems to be 2 kind of attitudes in the world (and it football). One is about speculation and violence and hate. The other about putting talent to use and camaradery and working "for the team". It's about choosing. What kind of economy we want, and what kind of relationships between people we want, and what kind of world we want. And what kind of football we want. Unclesox knows me (though often disagrees with me :wink and knows I want my fav team to lose sometimes (Real Madrid) because they're playing in a way I don't like at all.
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david mitchelson:
Pepe Reina is ever so slightly barking mad..... Pepe is a Liverpool hero......and believe me in our present state we need all the heroes we can get.
We Love Pepe!!! Well done Spain!... .....fully deserved!I thought there was no way of translating that
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SurSteven:
21st century boy?
yes I don't like the 21st Paul name (sorry to say that) cause Paul is alive and no one will ever be another Paul, so I used a song-related name, no offence really.
SurSteven:
I am of English and Danish and Swiss German descent and was born in the absolute heart of America...I have some profoundly hardworking and intelligent workmates who were born in either holland or mexico ...I keep telling them...It's only a futbol game...It's only a...foot...ball...game...
it is only football game, talking about it does not hurt and FYI I am not from Holland or Mexico or America I like Holland team, they have the best players from 1970's they are just unlucky
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21st Century Paul:
I think Holland was not in playing a "clean final match"...
I didnt said Holland played clean final match, read my post again and I hope you will understand it
21st Century Paul:
If Holland would have played open Spain would have scored lots of goals instead of one.
and Holland would have scored lots of goals just like they did to Brazil and Uruguay and others. arent you the one using If ...now
21st Century Paul:
All the rivals of Spain (except Chile for some minutes) have played very defensively... with all the team near the area, pure catenaccio.
ahhh thats why Switzerland ( a team who didn't pass the first round) beated Spain early in this world Cup
21st Century Paul:
Yes, there's still ways of making goals even against that but it's not so easy... And Spain didn't want to win 4-2 every game, just winning the world cup is enough...
didn't want to win 4-2 every game??? when was that???? did they win ONE game more than 1-0?????oh yes they did that to Honduras , 2-0 thanx to David Villa!
21st Century Paul:
And Spain doesn't have forwards that are very good against that kind of defense... Well, they have the best forward against that defense... Raul, but he's not selected for the national team (and that's another discussion) since a lot time ago. What about the fact that Spain haven't received any goal in all the knock out rounds? I guess this has never happened before... No goal from Germany, Portugal, Paraguay and Holland. And not even much work for Casillas.
maybe because they played defensive as much as the others??? Spain were lucky enough to have David Villa who saved them for 5 games
21st Century Paul:
if you think "the referee ruined the match with many cards" then you see it in such a different way than me that it makes no sense we keep on talking about it
I agree on that, and by the way this is can be helpful in explaining what I meant about Referee and a clean final matchby an expert : http://www.worldcup2010.vdeal.net/news/franz-beckenbauer-blasts-spain-and-netherlands-for-football-anti-advertisement/ The Final match was not a good game or as Beckenbauer said it : "but this final unfortunately was rather an anti-advertisement for football" again Spain deserved winning the world cup, they were lucky but sure they are a well organized team with very good players and great Coach....it could have been for Holland the same way, they were not less than Spain. it was luck in a bad final game.
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Ammar:
SurSteven:
21st century boy?
yes I don't like the 21st Paul name (sorry to say that) cause Paul is alive and no one will ever be another Paul, so I used a song-related name, no offence really. Well, I liked it when I choosed it (2003)... but I don't like it since a long time ago. I asked the mods to change it but there's no way. It's somehow sort of a joke cause many called Paul 20th Century Mozart, and there will never be another Mozart or another Paul. Even if I win Paul's song contest I'm not gonna be another Paul at all... the thing is I want to be called Oliver.
SurSteven:
I am of English and Danish and Swiss German descent and was born in the absolute heart of America...I have some profoundly hardworking and intelligent workmates who were born in either holland or mexico ...I keep telling them...It's only a futbol game...It's only a...foot...ball...game...
it is only football game, talking about it does not hurt and FYI I am not from Holland or Mexico or America I like Holland team, they have the best players from 1970's they are just unlucky
Ammar, I don't believe in luck, for instance Spain seemed always "unlucky" but the cause of losing was not that at all
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Ammar:
21st Century Paul:
If Holland would have played open Spain would have scored lots of goals instead of one.
and Holland would have scored lots of goals just like they did to Brazil and Uruguay and others. arent you the one using If ...now Yes, of course it makes no sense to use "ifs", the only match that has happened and ever will happen is the one that happened.
21st Century Paul:
All the rivals of Spain (except Chile for some minutes) have played very defensively... with all the team near the area, pure catenaccio.
ahhh thats why Switzerland ( a team who didn't pass the first round) beated Spain early in this world Cup Switzerland played that way too, Spain had not the best attitude still in that match.
21st Century Paul:
Yes, there's still ways of making goals even against that but it's not so easy... And Spain didn't want to win 4-2 every game, just winning the world cup is enough...
didn't want to win 4-2 every game??? when was that???? did they win ONE game more than 1-0?????oh yes they did that to Honduras , 2-0 thanx to David Villa! No, the goal was winning the World Cup, not winning 4-2 every game. I think that would have been harder.
21st Century Paul:
And Spain doesn't have forwards that are very good against that kind of defense... Well, they have the best forward against that defense... Raul, but he's not selected for the national team (and that's another discussion) since a lot time ago. What about the fact that Spain haven't received any goal in all the knock out rounds? I guess this has never happened before... No goal from Germany, Portugal, Paraguay and Holland. And not even much work for Casillas.
maybe because they played defensive as much as the others??? Spain were lucky enough to have David Villa who saved them for 5 games yes, and "lucky" to have Casillas, Xavi, Puyol, Ramos, Busquets, Iniesta...
21st Century Paul:
if you think "the referee ruined the match with many cards" then you see it in such a different way than me that it makes no sense we keep on talking about it
I agree on that, and by the way this is can be helpful in explaining what I meant about Referee and a clean final matchby an expert : http://www.worldcup2010.vdeal.net/news/franz-beckenbauer-blasts-spain-and-netherlands-for-football-anti-advertisement/ The Final match was not a good game or as Beckenbauer said it : "but this final unfortunately was rather an anti-advertisement for football" again Spain deserved winning the world cup, they were lucky but sure they are a well organized team with very good players and great Coach....it could have been for Holland the same way, they were not less than Spain. it was luck in a bad final game.
Well, you see it almost all like "luck", even that the main scorer of Spain (Villa) makes goals seems kind of Spain's luck, he has missed a few too. You see it in a totally different than me so it makes no sense we keep on talking, I hope you won't be offended if I don't keep answering you.
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the best moments of the Spain celebration: Spain's team dancing to We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions
Ramos and Reina singing with Bisbal one of the World Cup's songs Reina and the best defender and the best midfielder of the world cup singing to the best goalkeeper and his girlfriend The players don't let sing some Spanish singer the Spanish "unofficial" anthem... and the octopus dancing around -
World cup fuzzy critters (Beessies) as they are calling them Dutch
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Thread title changed as the new season rapidly approaches. The calendario for La Liga has been released today. Once again, Real Madrid gets to host the return 'vuelta' of El Clasico for the fourth consecutive season. : This time it will be on Sunday 17 April. Here's the full fixture list And today also saw the first full day of training for the defending Spanish Liga champions.
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unclesox:
And today also saw the first full day of training for the defending Spanish Liga champions.
and some also the present World Champions
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21st Century Paul:
unclesox:
And today also saw the first full day of training for the defending Spanish Liga champions.
and some also the present World Champions
All 8 Barcelona players that played in the World Cup have been allowed to holiday until after the team returns from the Asia tour in early August. I know Ibra is training, but I don't think Messi and Dani Alves have arrived yet. I'm guessing it's the same for the rest of the Spain team. They're all on vacation since they've had no rest since last summer.
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Ammar:
by the way I think Mick Jagger brought bad luck to England he did the same to U.S and Argentine.
agree!
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Add Brazil to the list of those Jagger supposedly jinxed. link I hope he's a Real Madrid season ticket holder.
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Well, there's something to say... Raul, the big captain, the soul of Real Madrid has signed for Schalke 04. He says that he would have played a lot with Mourinho, so I don't have a clue why he has gone... He said goodbye to the supporters surrounded by all his trophies... 3 Champions Leagues, 6 Spanish Leagues, etc etc.. and of course he cried. Now he's playing for Schalke 04 and already won another trophy today, the German Supercup. Schalke 3-Bayern Munchen 1 2 goals by Raul... the first, the classic Raul goal, "offensive rebound" between 3 defenders... and the 2nd another classic Raul goal, that kind of lob shot he does... it seemed Schalke supporters didn't know this one cause they look as if they were surprised.
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21st Century Paul:
Now he's playing for Schalke 04 and already won another trophy today, the German Supercup. Schalke 3-Bayern Munchen 1
That wasn't the German Super Cup. It was a pre-season tournament called the Liga Total! Cup that also featured Hamburg and Cologne. Schalke hosted the tournament (they play in the city of Gelsenkirchen) and Bayern Munich were missing many of their players that played in the World Cup (Klose, Schweinsteiger, Müller, Ribery, Lahm, etc) The DFB Super Cup (equivalent to Spain's Supercopa or England's Community Shield) is to be played on August 7th in Augsburg. Schalke will play Bayern and both teams will take that match a bit more seriously than the Liga Total! Cup. I'm in a Bundesliga fantasy football league where we bid on players (each player can only belong to one person!) and I'm actually considering trying to get Raul on my team. Schalke let their main striker Kevin Kuranyi go to Russia so Raul may get quite a bit of playing time. Real Madrid let Raul and Guti leave because they both are past their prime. They are no longer 'Galactico quality' enough. It's all about C.Ronaldo, Kaka and Higuain these days.
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unclesox:
21st Century Paul:
Now he's playing for Schalke 04 and already won another trophy today, the German Supercup. Schalke 3-Bayern Munchen 1
That wasn't the German Super Cup. It was a pre-season tournament called the Liga Total! Cup that also featured Hamburg and Cologne. Schalke hosted the tournament (they play in the city of Gelsenkirchen) and Bayern Munich were missing many of their players that played in the World Cup (Klose, Schweinsteiger, Müller, Ribery, Lahm, etc) The DFB Super Cup (equivalent to Spain's Supercopa or England's Community Shield) is to be played on August 7th in Augsburg. Schalke will play Bayern and both teams will take that match a bit more seriously than the Liga Total! Cup. I'm in a Bundesliga fantasy football league where we bid on players (each player can only belong to one person!) and I'm actually considering trying to get Raul on my team. Schalke let their main striker Kevin Kuranyi go to Russia so Raul may get quite a bit of playing time. Real Madrid let Raul and Guti leave because they both are past their prime. They are no longer 'Galactico quality' enough. It's all about C.Ronaldo, Kaka and Higuain these days.
Well I though "Total Cup" was the name of the Super Cup there cause it will be played between Schalke and Bayern Munchen... Raul in your team... well... if he plays as striker he will be the main scorer of the Bundesliga, but maybe he will play as ofensive midfielder. But if they had let go Kuranyi maybe they plan place Raul as striker. For me Guti never has been a Galactico quality... and for me Raul still is. Still he does things that no-one else does...
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Well, I promised to post it here too... so here it is... as Spain won the World Cup, I must record We Are The Champions on my own We Are The Champions www.oliversanz.com/wearethechampions.mp3
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This is too good, Bayern wins 11-1 against 30 players.
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Love Tom Brady!!! Peace & Luv Always Paulmusic