Newtown, Connecticut, Sandy Hook Elementary School.
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oobu24:
and that is not always a mental health issue. It is parental guidence as well as TV shows & video games.
Parenting definitely. Think about it- for every asshole you know, there is a parent at home who thinks they're wonderful! But we all have access to the same games and tv... so by that definition, everyone should be acting out in the same manner. (When I was growing up Motley Crue and Ozzy were the menaces)
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I'm all for the banning of certain guns (automatic, etc) as well as placing an armed police officer in every school. I think you do those two things and this crap happens a lot let frequently, and the death tolls when it does happen will be a lot less.
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I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
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One of the other problems with armed guards in schools is who is going to pay for it? Schools are underfunded enough as it is and the 1% don't want to pony up their share to drive on my roads.
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Jonathan:
mustangsally10:
now says should have an armed guard in every class room
That's an exaggeration, isn't it? I'm fine with banning these "assault weapons." Let's do it and move on. Let's move on to the reasons why "little Johnny wants to kill mommy and daddy." -and- why "Bobby feels he should be entitled to forcefully take another's shoes."
You're right. I looked at the transcript and he said an armed guard in every school not classroom. The trouble is there was an armed guard at Columbine, Virginia Tech has it's own police force and you know Ft. Hood has armed people all around so that hasn't stopped massacres. There's no way to stop all shooting but banning assault weapons, requiring background checks , no internet sales of guns or ammo. close the gunshow loophold, and make them reload after each shot. btw: At the exact same moment that the NRA president was displaying his crazy to the world, a gunman in Pennsylvania killed four people and wounded three state troopers. You know those troopers were armed.
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We were very shocked & even more saddened to learn a good friend of ours has a friend whose child was killed in the Sandy Hook shooting. And last night, we received a phone call from our kid's school, that there was an emergency shut down of school due to a bomb threat! Is there ever going to be an end to all the violence & horror?
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Had armed police officers in my high school. While we didn't kill each other, we still beat on each other and had fights. An armed officer in every school is NOT the answer--not to mention schools are already underfunded.
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walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
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kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
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oobu24:
kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
The reason you don't have mass shootings in these inner city schools is because they already have metal detectors and police presence. Yeah the gangs off themselves one at a time out of school, but at least for the most part it's gangs and drug dealers shooting themselves up. In the worst areas you don't see these mass school shootings cause there's already police presence. Time to bring it to the white affluent suburbs I you ask me.
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kapoo:
oobu24:
kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
The reason you don't have mass shootings in these inner city schools is because they already have metal detectors and police presence. Yeah the gangs off themselves one at a time out of school, but at least for the most part it's gangs and drug dealers shooting themselves up. In the worst areas you don't see these mass school shootings cause there's already police presence. Time to bring it to the white affluent suburbs I you ask me.
ehhh...check some death totals over weekends in the summer. This year I was shocked to hear maybe 20 or more were killed over the weekend. It's all too much. If you have armed guards in schools...after awhile they'll be like the airport people...snoozing on the job...slackin off...totally uninterested. Mall cops.
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oobu24:
kapoo:
oobu24:
kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
The reason you don't have mass shootings in these inner city schools is because they already have metal detectors and police presence. Yeah the gangs off themselves one at a time out of school, but at least for the most part it's gangs and drug dealers shooting themselves up. In the worst areas you don't see these mass school shootings cause there's already police presence. Time to bring it to the white affluent suburbs I you ask me.
ehhh...check some death totals over weekends in the summer. This year I was shocked to hear maybe 20 or more were killed over the weekend. It's all too much. If you have armed guards in schools...after awhile they'll be like the airport people...snoozing on the job...slackin off...totally uninterested. Mall cops.
Okay well I haven't read back into this thread, but what is your idea for stopping these mass school shootings? You're not going to ban all guns, and even if you did gangbangers would get them. You're not going to stop the killings you're talking about, gang wars on the west side of Chicago. But I'm talking about the mass slaughtering off innocent kids in affluent schools. What's your plan to stop those? Cause the plan I've proposed is working already in areas (all the worst areas) around the US. and I guarantee that's what ends up happening. Extra security in every school. Within months that will be the case.
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oobu24:
kapoo:
oobu24:
kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
The reason you don't have mass shootings in these inner city schools is because they already have metal detectors and police presence. Yeah the gangs off themselves one at a time out of school, but at least for the most part it's gangs and drug dealers shooting themselves up. In the worst areas you don't see these mass school shootings cause there's already police presence. Time to bring it to the white affluent suburbs I you ask me.
ehhh...check some death totals over weekends in the summer. This year I was shocked to hear maybe 20 or more were killed over the weekend. It's all too much. If you have armed guards in schools...after awhile they'll be like the airport people...snoozing on the job...slackin off...totally uninterested. Mall cops.
Last year there was a full time armed policeman in the school where I worked. He was always alert and ready to roll. I talked to him sometimes. He was all business, no nonsense type. All you had to do was request his presence. He would be there in a second. He got a kid to tell who stole a teacher's phone (she always locked it up after that) and those kids NEVER TELL on each other. With all of the taxes we pay, why CAN'T we have an armed policemen at every school. It will create more jobs AND protect children and teachers. Seems like a win win to me.
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Kathryn O:
making things illegal gets rid of them. Just ask Paul about drugs. This is a mental health issue more then a gun control issue.
Guns and rights are easier to talk about than mental health, which makes people uncomfortable. It also illustrates a serious flaw in an already flawed health system.
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i_am_hymn:
Places like Chicago & the State of Connecticut already have strict gun control laws! Is that working for them? It seems that these laws grossly overlooked something. Taking guns away isn't going to change the immorality of a corrupted criminal or would-be criminal's mind. There needs to be VIRTUAL gun control! Let's take the guns out of the hands of movie producers, video game producers, and any other forms of violent influence peddling. Truth is they took smoking away from the movies, video games and commercials. Isn't it time to take the virtual guns away? And let the law abiding citizens have their right to bear arms for self defense/protection. The actual firearm is just a physical manifestation, it is not at the root of the problem. It's like George Harrison said, "it's all in the mind." To reduce crime we need to start there. If we don't, then the criminals will find any other way they can to get guns. Whether thru a drug trade or the old fashion way.... stealing them! Also, we really need to get God back into the equation. People doing the right thing, following the 10 commandments. Which, btw, has little to do with religion and a lot to do with law.
Many nations watch American movies without any of its citizens shooting anyone. Blaming violent movies and video games only shifts responsibility. Do people no longer smoke now that smoking was taken out of movies?
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ONe of the other issues that is the problem is the actual wording of the law itself causing it to not get passed. Many laws that were proposed banning certain weapons were vaguely worded so that they could be used in the future to ban all weapons and gun advocated are leary of that. the same goes with anti-abortion laws which are also not passed due to being vaguely worded and could be used to ban birth control.
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kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Viable option in schools that have the money to pay for it, sure. Most don't. We have schools that are cutting teachers and programs, so why would anyone expect them to pay for an armed guard instead? As was already pointed out previously, schools and places where shootings have happened have had metal detectors and armed guards. The shootings still occurred. Fighting violence with knee jerk reactions and other weapons of violence is not the answer.
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kapoo:
oobu24:
kapoo:
oobu24:
kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer. Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
The reason you don't have mass shootings in these inner city schools is because they already have metal detectors and police presence. Yeah the gangs off themselves one at a time out of school, but at least for the most part it's gangs and drug dealers shooting themselves up. In the worst areas you don't see these mass school shootings cause there's already police presence. Time to bring it to the white affluent suburbs I you ask me.
ehhh...check some death totals over weekends in the summer. This year I was shocked to hear maybe 20 or more were killed over the weekend. It's all too much. If you have armed guards in schools...after awhile they'll be like the airport people...snoozing on the job...slackin off...totally uninterested. Mall cops.
Okay well I haven't read back into this thread, but what is your idea for stopping these mass school shootings? You're not going to ban all guns, and even if you did gangbangers would get them. You're not going to stop the killings you're talking about, gang wars on the west side of Chicago. But I'm talking about the mass slaughtering off innocent kids in affluent schools. What's your plan to stop those? Cause the plan I've proposed is working already in areas (all the worst areas) around the US. and I guarantee that's what ends up happening. Extra security in every school. Within months that will be the case.
Please note, though, that shootings in schools have never been happening constantly, armed guards, detectors, or not. Look at the facts and statistics. One does not necessarily equal the other. Also note that while the shootings aren't happening in the school buildings, as both you and Oobu have stated, kids are still getting shot and killed, it's just happening off school grounds now. Not exactly a result that anyone should be happy about. This is a thread to talk about and grieve about the lives lost in the Sandy Hook tragedy. What happened there is horrible, but having an armed guard on the campus wouldn't have prevented a mentally ill person from harming people. It didn't prevent Columbine, it didn't prevent Virginia Tech, and it wouldn't have stopped this current tragedy from unfolding, either.
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I just pray and hope that individuals who have mental health issues don't be come scapegoats for a community after all this. That is a thing that needs to come out as well. It was an act of violence. There are criminally insane who would do such acts but multitudes of others who simply need care who would not do these things love doris