The 2012 and beyond Political Thread - Part 2
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Nancy R wrote:
love2travel wrote:
A Bald Eagle is definitely a great sign Paulfan11. Biden and Harris's speeches were both so inspiring. Heard from friends and on TV, of men and women who were both brought to tears for many great reasons, over the past few days.
Love the joy and the dancing in the streets and all of the happiness seen everywhere. Feeling as if a weight has lifted and for the first time in 4+ years. Hallelujah
What a difference in hearing a calm and encouraging voice, pledging to unite people, telling us all about the plans he is already instituting for Covid...plans for tomorrow Monday, assembling his task force of top Pandemic and virologists to quickly implement mask making in this country, protocols for bringing Covid numbers way down using Scientific methodologies and plans for the latest theraputics and a safe vaccine ASAP! Just found out from a pharmacist that many vaccines can take 2-4 years to produce.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-pfizer-idUSKBN27P1CT
I've been reading more about vaccines. As you probably know most vaccines take from 10-15 years from start to finish. They have been working for 20 years to develop an AIDS vaccine which is not ready yet. You probably also have read about the UK's Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine, that has run into issues such as a rare irreversible mylene sheath issue which affected some trial participants in one case causing that person to lose part of their mylene sheath on their spinal cord! There were also issues with very high fevers. The US has stopped their trials on this vaccine. The Pfizer vaccine is showing a 90% efficacy which is a very high percentage and is great, however, they have not finished the phase 3 trials yet. The thing I like is that it was not a part of the Warp Speed plan by Trump, which is good. I also started reading about CRISPR and that sounds amazing with the DNA spacers inserted so as to act as an immune response to the RNA. Very very interesting. It needs to be kept at -94° which will be a challenge. The President Elect has just formed a ~13 person Covid task force of Virologists, Doctors and Scientists to ramp up a speedy lowering of cases and produce masks in this country. The experts are saying they want several months to go over the safety data, so probably will start out as initial doses which will go to seniors in 2 months.
Trump is also keeping the funds that should go to Bidens transition team from him and not permitting him the office space in the White House and elsewhere so Biden can prepare for his transition.
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Pfizer is supposed to get emergency approval by December, the first responders and hospital workers will get the first doses between Jan. and March, then 65 and over and those with underlying health conditions will be next from Apr. to June. (that's just what I heard on World News Tonight with David Muir)
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My county went back into our state's "red status" today. UGH, why can't people just take this virus seriously?
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Trump and his top cohorts are trying to drain some of our joy and relief with their lawsuits and charges of enormous voter fraud and saying Biden didn't really win, etc. One of Trump's main associates Mike Pompeo even came right out today and said Trump will be sworn again Jan. 20 as POTUS instead of Biden. It was charged Pompeo "lost all credibility" with that statement. But I still felt some fear. One man who sounded in the know said "one million" votes have yet to be counted and those are likely to be mostly for Biden. Biden's already won the right number of electoral votes, 270 or more so I had thought he's absolutely the President Elect for sure. But then all this uproar and activity from Trump's camp trying to change that. Should we really be worried? Usually I think not, but then read something that seeks to sow doubt and fear.
The margin is called "razor thin" in some important states and recounts are being called for or maybe have already begun.
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paulfan11 wrote:
My county went back into our state's "red status" today. UGH, why can't people just take this virus seriously?
My county in Georgia is Blue all the way! Now we have to do a stupid recount because Trump won't believe he lost! And there will be a run-off in January for the 2 Senate seats!
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Nancy R wrote:
paulfan11 wrote:
My county went back into our state's "red status" today. UGH, why can't people just take this virus seriously?
My county in Georgia is Blue all the way! Now we have to do a stupid recount because Trump won't believe he lost! And there will be a run-off in January for the 2 Senate seats!
Oh sorry I was talking in terms of the pandemic. In CA there are color codes for the level of where a county is at as far as outbreaks go. We got moved into a worse tier on Monday.
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paulfan11 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
paulfan11 wrote:
My county went back into our state's "red status" today. UGH, why can't people just take this virus seriously?
My county in Georgia is Blue all the way! Now we have to do a stupid recount because Trump won't believe he lost! And there will be a run-off in January for the 2 Senate seats!
Oh sorry I was talking in terms of the pandemic. In CA there are color codes for the level of where a county is at as far as outbreaks go. We got moved into a worse tier on Monday.
Sorry, I misunderstood since this is the political thread!
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Nancy R wrote:
paulfan11 wrote:
My county went back into our state's "red status" today. UGH, why can't people just take this virus seriously?
My county in Georgia is Blue all the way! Now we have to do a stupid recount because Trump won't believe he lost! And there will be a run-off in January for the 2 Senate seats!
I've already made a donation to the Senate campaigns and will do so again soon. This is SO important!
And everyone in the US, please stay safe! The COVID-19 situation is grim and going to get worse over the next several weeks. Celebrate Thanksgiving by staying home!
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Bruce M. wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
paulfan11 wrote:
My county went back into our state's "red status" today. UGH, why can't people just take this virus seriously?
My county in Georgia is Blue all the way! Now we have to do a stupid recount because Trump won't believe he lost! And there will be a run-off in January for the 2 Senate seats!
I've already made a donation to the Senate campaigns and will do so again soon. This is SO important!
And everyone in the US, please stay safe! The COVID-19 situation is grim and going to get worse over the next several weeks. Celebrate Thanksgiving by staying home!
I know my kids, their dad and my mom are all voting Democrat in the run-off. It would be so great to get Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue booted out of the Senate!
We usually don't celebrate Thanksgiving anyway, so won't be a problem for us. And for Christmas it will only be 6-7 adults and one baby.
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Bruce M. wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
paulfan11 wrote:
My county went back into our state's "red status" today. UGH, why can't people just take this virus seriously?
My county in Georgia is Blue all the way! Now we have to do a stupid recount because Trump won't believe he lost! And there will be a run-off in January for the 2 Senate seats!
I've already made a donation to the Senate campaigns and will do so again soon. This is SO important!
And everyone in the US, please stay safe! The COVID-19 situation is grim and going to get worse over the next several weeks. Celebrate Thanksgiving by staying home!
I'm staying in CA for both Thanksgiving and Christmas. A hard decision since both will be my dad's first since my mom passed in February, but I'd rather make sure he's safe. Hoping to get home again this summer if things have calmed down.
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Praying for all obstacles to be removed in the path of Joe and Kamala.
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love2travel wrote:
Praying for all obstacles to be removed in the path of Joe and Kamala.
I hope you like praying a lot. The right wing extremists are going to put as many obstacles as they can, legal and otherwise, for the next four years. They do not need to start a civil war. They only need to get enough of their fans to believe in their conspiracy theories.
The good news is that Biden is assassination-proof. The last thing those brave patriot Christians want is a black woman as president.
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Well, the Trump administration is finally allowing a formal transition to begin -- though the Orange Menace is still too much of a flippin' crybaby to admit he LOST.
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Bruce M. wrote:
Well, the Trump administration is finally allowing a formal transition to begin -- though the Orange Menace is still too much of a flippin' crybaby to admit he LOST.
I know! It's insane! I truly won't lose my anxiety about this until Jan. 20th when Biden is sworn in (and Trump will probably have to be escorted out by a SWAT team!)
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Nancy R wrote:
Bruce M. wrote:
Well, the Trump administration is finally allowing a formal transition to begin -- though the Orange Menace is still too much of a flippin' crybaby to admit he LOST.
I know! It's insane! I truly won't lose my anxiety about this until Jan. 20th when Biden is sworn in (and Trump will probably have to be escorted out by a SWAT team!)
The Senate is holding Trump in Contempt. Maybe unfit? Very Happy for Biden!
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I was watching CBS This Morning and they had someone on who is a marriage counselor - he suggested that what this country needs are marriage (or interpersonal relationship) counselors who can work with people on both sides of the political spectrum and say "You're talking about the other side's faults, and how they've offended you, but what can you do, on your part, to make things better and keep this country together?" He had a reporter walk the streets asking people that question. One guy responded by saying, "{Bleep} you, we're past talking, I want a divorce!"
When Jimmy Carter was working on the Arab-Israeli peace talks, the first question he asked each side was, "Do you respect their right to exist?" and he slowly built a peace structure from there. That makes sense, but it's what people do while they exist that seems to be the point of disagreement!
How can we work with that?
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I'd like explanations from more Trump supporters about why they admire and support such a person whose obvious faults and failings have been endlessly described. Did many just not keep up with the news enough? Take him on surface value not fact checking what he said? Why should a POTUS have "fans" who adore him anyway. I'm a Dem, but I just liked and appreciated Clinton, Obama, etc., when they did things right, and disapproved when they messed up. I wasnt a fan who almost worshiped them... I don't see how a charmless offensive oaf and buffoon like Trump can be avidly followed and "adored." To me he has zero charisma. I kept up with the many ways he wrought destruction on democracy, hurt the country and its citizens. It's a big bummer 70 million voted for him; Obama and others implied they'd be easy pickins' for a political anti-Christ to come along who is smoother, more polished and smarter than D.T. who wants to totally destroy our democracy and become King. Obama said he fears for the future of our democracy.
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Watched an interesting documentary about cults and in the documentary, they showed reasons why Trumpism is a cult. Reading Michael Cohen's book, he also repeated many times in his book that he had a blind loyalty and how he was slowly indoctrinated and it was cult like looking back. His family also saw it and urged him to leave Trump. It took his being arrested and thrown in jail to wake him up. This is the experience that I see with friends and family I've known all my life, they would never act or have beliefs like they do now. It's like they were brainwashed and there is nothing you can say to snap them out of the spell.
The good news is that Biden won, he is surrounding himself with long time government experts to bring our country back. It won't be easy, however, we have some really good vaccines and so we need to stay safe until 60-70% of us have been vaccinated by April-June. Please stay safe til then. Wear your masks indoors when visiting others. Let's stay peaceful and walk away from confrontations. Keep faith and hope in humanity. We all need to stand together and support each other.
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Yes, Trumpism is a cult. The key to cults is shutting out contradictory information, and MAGA cultists are able to do that via Fox News, Facebook, OANN, Newsmax, etc. To answer Susy's question, they don't see most of Trump's faults because in their information bubble those faults don't exist. He's a brave, selfless leader being besieged, by partisan, corrupt, socialist Democrats. It's laughable to us, but they think it's reality. As I posted in another thread, I've dealt with cults before. They are very hard to break through.
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Bruce M. wrote:
Yes, Trumpism is a cult. The key to cults is shutting out contradictory information, and MAGA cultists are able to do that via Fox News, Facebook, OANN, Newsmax, etc. To answer Susy's question, they don't see most of Trump's faults because in their information bubble those faults don't exist. He's a brave, selfless leader being besieged, by partisan, corrupt, socialist Democrats. It's laughable to us, but they think it's reality. As I posted in another thread, I've dealt with cults before. They are very hard to break through.
Unfortunately even after he is no longer POTUS, there will be millions who will still follow him. Who knows what could happen? Even after his death it will probably continue on!
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