Contemporary Quantum Physics
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I've know noticed that they twisted the message of Jesus into Plato's philosophy. It's Plato who believed in the afterlife, the immaterial world, a secondary role for women, God as the creator of everything, and that kind of morals, so in some point Jesus message was switched for Plato message. So now Christianism is Platonism, and as a tribute, when God is represented it looks like Plato. Old man, dressed like an ancient greek, with a white long beard. At least that's how Catholic church is now in Spain and everywhere I guess. I don't know about other branches of Christianism. Most of young people here is not Catholic but anyway they kind of believe in the same things without being religious. And I think that's worse, cause it's not that someone tolds him to behave like that (church) but that they think it's just the only way to live. This seems like the Da Vinci Code.
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http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/ John 4:23 20Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. Love and Truth
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" This seems like the Da Vinci Code. " I'll share some of the treasure with you when we find it. ... Are you "The Spaniard In The Works"? ~ //oo\\ Ironically or maybe Synchronistically, I just watched National Treasure 2 again with a friend who hadn't seen it before.
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SurSteven:
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/ John 4:23 20Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. Love and Truth
the KingJames bible is very hard to understand for not native english speakers.... anyway it's a very bad version of the bible "word by word" translation. It makes no sense to do that, it's kind of the way google translates. Any bilingual person knows that translating "word by word" is not the way to translate... There are versions of the bible in English, that are not word by word, and then you read it, and it's like... Oh, now that makes sense...
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SurSteven:
" This seems like the Da Vinci Code. " I'll share some of the treasure with you when we find it. ... Are you "The Spaniard In The Works"? ~ //oo\\ Ironically or maybe Synchronistically, I just watched National Treasure 2 again with a friend who hadn't seen it before.
Well, the treasures of the Da Vinci Code are (spoiler coming...) just knowledge...
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back to physics... they say quantuum physics have different laws than ordinary, classical ones... Like if there were 2 worlds apart. The one we see, behaving according to the classical physics and the one we can't see behaving in the quantuum. Ok!, well, not ok. Plato-like... 2 worlds... hmm... when we can see "clearer", with better instruments, we realize quantuum is closer to whatever reality is than what we see with our eyes everyday... so quantuum laws are closer to truth than classic physics laws... If not it's like saying water is not made of 2 atoms of hidrogen and one of oxygen... and that's true only if we see it with some instruments... well... that's like going to a doctor and using the medical instruments of the 19th century.. Am I wrong? I mean quantuum physics is much closer to truth than the classical ones... cause the observation is just more realistic, accurate, detailed... If not we should forget about molecules, atoms, the periodic table of the elements and all that.... and say all it's just fire, water, air and earth.... Then there is the look at the "big picture" to understand, so I don't have the answer, I'm not that inspired. I've found graphs about it Newton? Einstein? or both, so it's kind of Plato again?...
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Thanks for posting this 21st Century Paul... Was not familiar with the differing philosophies
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and now I've got some answers.... the 3 possibilities I said... A. "Just Newton", as classical ("common sense"today, now) physics SURE can't be applied to everything, this has been confirmed lots of times through decades with experiments. As for the theory, the Newton-universe requires all is infinite, so the movement goes on forever and always further away, the energy was never created and will never be destroyed, etc. Da Vinci wonderful conclusion is that would be that "The part is equal to the Whole", and that's even less common sense that quantuum physics. Now we know that's not true because of experiments. Then there are all the paradoxes of the infinite... [aradoxes_of_infinity" >
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God Is Love And Life (E=mc2) <oO< <oO subaethers...aethers...atoms...US...solar systems...universes...suruniverses<oO <oO< = INFINITY (infinite space inward and ouward) all space is filled with particles...all particles are filled with space ...inward and outward forever <oO time x time x time x NOW x time x time x time <oO US...INFINITY...NOW
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Well coincidentally, here's the answer http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html Look at this http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap160727.html Do you not see the infinity yet? As far as Universal Here, Everlasting Now. I've always heard that song, and in my mind have interpreted it as...Paul having a dream...he hears the bell ringing and the dog barking, yet he drifts back into sleep. The music is sad and nostalgic and I always interpreted it as his beinging back with Linda... "When you least expect it" they are riding horses together...riding...riding and the music intensifies "Nothing to regret" It's a very meaningful dream of their being together again...and then, as he starts to awaken, the sadness and melancholy of the melody, which threads through several songs on this album, comes back to him. That's how I hear it, anyway, do you?
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^^ Yes..Not a coincidence at all. In olden days we called them signs and wonders. It is the way that the Spirit Of Life confirms it's promoters. It is why so much supernatural phenomenon was happening around Jesus and the Original Love and Peace promoters. (Not the self righteous judgemental types who think that they represent Jesus) Jesus..."A man approved of God by signs and wonders" ~ N.T. KJV
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Blue Danube Analemma Yes...It is in the upper right hand corner of the pic. The figure 8 pattern that is produced. http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap160729.html
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SurSteven:
Blue Danube Analemma Yes...It is in the upper right hand corner of the pic. The figure 8 pattern that is produced. http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap160729.html
Thanks for posting that, looks like I posted a general link for APOD ops: Those Analemmas are so cool
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SurSteven:
God Is Love And Life (E=mc2) <oO< <oO subaethers...aethers...atoms...US...solar systems...universes...suruniverses<oO <oO< = INFINITY (infinite space inward and ouward) all space is filled with particles...all particles are filled with space ...inward and outward forever <oO time x time x time x NOW x time x time x time <oO US...INFINITY...NOW
At first I didn't understand your equations. I guess "0O"means "infinite" and "<" is "smaller than". Then is God the smallest thing then is infinite then atoms, us, planets, etc then "infinite" then "infinity" It doesn't make sense "something bigger than infinite"... or atom bigger than infinite, or "infinite bigger than infinite", so I guess by infinite you mean like some special connection or so... In the end you say the "infinite space inward and ouward". I call that "A" theories bout infinity. The classic model, Newton, causality, etc. If all is infinite the part is equal to the whole, like an ant is equal to Paul McCartney and Paul McCartney is equal to a bottle of beer, etc. The beautiful explanation of that is the Da Vinci one where every point equals the infinite that I copied some posts ago. The main problem of the "A" beliefs is that: -Quantum theories crack all that. They don't follow causality and nothing bout the classic model. -All kinds of paradoxes about the infinite, like no possible beginning or end... of the universe... and neither of anything. Kind like Zeno paradoxes where Achilles never catches the turtle. -Many ordinary events don't obbey casuality and they're unpredictable. And if they did you could always go back to the cause of the cause, etc. So there is never a cause really. btw yesterday the Pope was in Auschwitz and said he didn't understand how God didn't stop that. If God is really Infinite, then God is all, God was the jews, and God was the nazis, and it could have done anything about it, all that happens is God's will cause he/it is unlimited. If that is true we don't understand it because God don't want us to understand it. or should I say he doesn't want himself to understand it since we are him too, but then he would be limited... well, all the ways about "A" theories lead to that kind of conclusions. But I'm going back to physics...
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SurSteven:
Blue Danube Analemma Yes...It is in the upper right hand corner of the pic. The figure 8 pattern that is produced. http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap160729.html
I don't know if to post the Blue Danube or Figure of Eight
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Quantum Physics ("QP" from now on, lol) again... "B or C": QP is not something new but 100 years old, all kinds of experiments have been done. I searched"quantum" in this site http://journals.aps.org/ and there were more than 200,000 studies, lol, so well.. how on Earth there is so much mystery bout QP?, and like dozens of interpretations?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretations_of_quantum_mechanics I guess some are listed but already proved to be impossible. So I'm wondering about 2 or 3 mysterious things bout QP: -what the heck they mean by "the observer", a person? an animal? any kind of -measuring instrument? ??? -does the observer causes a thing or just discovers? -anything bout quantum entanglement I guess if I surf through some studies of that site I'll have some answers... let's see. Einstein didn't like QP really cause he believed in God, causality and determinism ("A" theories) but he just saw that it couldn't be that way. He said "I don't believe God plays dice with the universe" B?hr told him "You should stop saying God what he can do" Actually, all the end of his life Einstein tried to prove himself wrong. It's not easy!.
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Keep working Oliver, you're still not quite understanding what I am trying to say. In recent posts I have made it clear. But then of course, I already understand it. As for God, it is a matter of personal definition, which is where the confusion comes in. Defining God solely as some sort of physical male figure can be a little misleading according to other writings in the book and other belief systems as well. In the very first book of the bible (Genesis) it acknowledges God as a 2 part spirit when God creates male and female human in God's image. Mr. and Mrs. God...So, why has Mrs. God been hiding from us all of these years?
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That is a very good question Sur Steven!!!
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Speaking of the quantum physics of music... Ran across this video of yours, Oliver from 9 years ago this month I really liked your song and video, am glad I found it again!
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Enjoyed that video Oliver. You are very talented!