McCartney Origins
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Are the McCartneys from Ireland?
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Broadly speaking, yes but via Glasgow before reaching Liverpool I think. (That might be on his mother’s side).
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There's been news articles written that the McCartney family is from Ireland, but settled in Scotland before finally locating to Liverpool. (See links below.) Isn't it true that if someone's surname begins with "Mac" that means it's Scottish, and "Mc" indicates Irish origins?
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2016/0130/764107-paul-mccartneys-irish-roots-explored/
https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/paul-mccartneys-irish-heritage-50662722-237650851
I checked ancestry.com, and it appears that Paul's great grandfather, James McCartney, was born in Ireland around 1830 and settled in Liverpool about 1855, and married Elizabeth Williams in Liverpool on 1 November 1864. On his family's census record in 1871 he gives his birthplace as Ireland also. This seems to indicate the family's origins came directly from Ireland to Liverpool.
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Read Mark Lewisohn’s book Tune In for the history of the McCartney family (and please correct the spelling on the thread name) I have James McCartney II born around 1843, not 1830. The rest is correct. Paul’s mum was born in Ireland Sept. 29, 1909.
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Nancy R wrote:
Read Mark Lewisohn’s book Tune In for the history of the McCartney family (and please correct the spelling on the thread name) I have James McCartney II born around 1843, not 1830. The rest is correct. Paul’s mum was born in Ireland Sept. 29, 1909.
1843 seems like a correct birth year, because it's given numerous times on Ancestry.com, but on the 1871 census James indicated his age was 41, which if you subtract would have made his birth year 1830, that's why I posted that date. Also, his wife Elizabeth was 15 years younger than he on the census, so if they were married in 1864 when she was 18, he would have been 33-34 years old at that time. Their son Joseph (Paul's grandfather) was 4 on the census in 1871 which would fit his birth year of 1867.
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Jock Tamson wrote:
Broadly speaking, yes but via Glasgow before reaching Liverpool I think. (That might be on his mother’s side).
As a McGrath, I would love this to be true, as it is the same path my own Irish ancestors took, and I can fantasize that they may have been from the same pool.
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LadyLeslie wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Read Mark Lewisohn’s book Tune In for the history of the McCartney family (and please correct the spelling on the thread name) I have James McCartney II born around 1843, not 1830. The rest is correct. Paul’s mum was born in Ireland Sept. 29, 1909.
1843 seems like a correct birth year, because it's given numerous times on Ancestry.com, but on the 1871 census James indicated his age was 41, which if you subtract would have made his birth year 1830, that's why I posted that date. Also, his wife Elizabeth was 15 years younger than he on the census, so if they were married in 1864 when she was 18, he would have been 33-34 years old at that time. Their son Joseph (Paul's grandfather) was 4 on the census in 1871 which would fit his birth year of 1867.
That’s weird. I have Elizabeth Williams born in 1844, so she’d be around 20 when they married. And their son Joseph as being born in 1866. Who the heck knows? Birthdates and ages were not very accurately reported back then.
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Nancy R wrote:
LadyLeslie wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Read Mark Lewisohn’s book Tune In for the history of the McCartney family (and please correct the spelling on the thread name) I have James McCartney II born around 1843, not 1830. The rest is correct. Paul’s mum was born in Ireland Sept. 29, 1909.
1843 seems like a correct birth year, because it's given numerous times on Ancestry.com, but on the 1871 census James indicated his age was 41, which if you subtract would have made his birth year 1830, that's why I posted that date. Also, his wife Elizabeth was 15 years younger than he on the census, so if they were married in 1864 when she was 18, he would have been 33-34 years old at that time. Their son Joseph (Paul's grandfather) was 4 on the census in 1871 which would fit his birth year of 1867.
That’s weird. I have Elizabeth Williams born in 1844, so she’d be around 20 when they married. And their son Joseph as being born in 1866. Who the heck knows? Birthdates and ages were not very accurately reported back then.
Well, it's easy to get a date off by a year either way on the census, because the census taker always took it in the middle of the year, between May - August... For example, if my birthdate was October 30, 1860, and the census was taken on June 1, 1871, I'd be written down as 10 years old, but since my birthdate wasn't written down (just my age), someone looking at that later would subtract 10 years from the census and think I was born in 1861. So it's easy to get dates off by a year.
You're right that Paul's grandfather Joseph was born in 1866. I think I had the date off by one year because of what I wrote in previous paragraph.
