McCartney 3?
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BJ - A couple of things I would like to mention to you. On the Q&A on this site, McCartney said "Deep Deep Feeling" was his favorite song from "McCartney III". Check out the "Sticking Out From My Back Pocket" songs for December, I think you will love most of the selections. ("Kiss Of Venus", "Seize The Day", Dominoes", "Calico Skies", "Find My Way", "Great Day" etc). Happy New Year !!
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Yankeefan...Thanks and Happy New Year to you and your family. Let's hope that 2021 is better than 2020.
I'll have to look at the Q&A Section on this Site and hear what Paul specifically says. I have to say that I like "Deep Deep Feeling" a lot better than the first couple of listens. Like you, I still think it is too long. It should have been stopped for sure at the 7 minute mark when Paul inexplicitly decided to just start it all over again. I do like most of the music on the song including the jazzy piano parts and the electric and bass guitar parts. I also like Paul's high register vocal parts where to me he sound a little like Earth Wind and Fire. However you slice it, it is still too long in my opinioin. Deep Down has a similar problem.
I really liked Anthony B.'s summary of McCartney 3 on one of the last pages of this McCartney 3 thread. He goes through many of the songs on McCartney 3. I think you know Anthony. He's the musician from New York who sometimes plays with his brother and Father. They did a great cover of "Put It There" that is on the bottom of some of his posts. He liked "Deep Deep Feeling " a lot and gave good reasons. He also liked it better than "Deep Down". I'm still on the fence about Deep Down vs. Deep Deep Feeling. They are both good album tracks on McCartney 3 but I personally don't think either one of them are the best songs on McCartney 3. Like you said and I agree, Paul sometimes needs a strong voice (Nigel Godrich or George Martin) to tell him when something is not the best idea.
Please look at Anthony's last post here. He and his Brother do a great cover of "Slidin". It's more of a acoustic version and it is short but I like it alot. Those guys have great harmonies.
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toris wrote:
I'm still around, Nancy! Just not responding as much..... but always checking up... Great to see you are still keeping things real!! You are the true Beatles gal!!! ....
Thanks toris!
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Just some random thoughts...
For those who haven't seen it, there's a new " Youtube"Panel discussion with 4 or 5 critics discussing the McCartney 3 Album that's I think was pretty good. It was called "Ring Out the Year". The panelists included Ken Womack, Kit O'Tooole, Joe Mayo, and Ken Michaels. They discussed how they felt once they heard McCartney 3 in good quality. In general, they all loved the album. As usual, there were some interesting debates about specific songs but they loved the album by and large.
I've heard and seen a few Paul fans (either here or on Amazon who were disappointed with McCartney 3. The basic comment was that the new album wasn't up to Paul's normal standards and the songs weren't as good as his classics from previousl albums like Band on the Run, Ram, Tug of War, Flaming Pie, Chaos and Creation and New. I, for one, have to disagree with that line of thinking for these reasons. I think the best songs on McCartney 3 "hold their own" against previousl great Paul classics like Little Willow, Beautiful Night, Wanderlust, Band on the Run etc. etc. First of all, I think it's hard to compare these older classics with these brand new songs but I still think they are very good ...songs like Find My Way, Pretty Boys, Slidin, Kiss of Venus, Seize the Day etc.. I think in time they will become future classics. One of the things you have to do as a listener is to give them a chance with at least several repeated listens. If you are going to be closed minded about new material, then you will never think they are as good.
Getting back to the panel on "Ring Out the Year" several mentioned that "Deep Deep Feeling" was the lightning rod track as to whether you "loved it or hated it". That was my feeling at first and I definitely didn't like it. I have to say (like others on the panel) that the track did grow on me. Upon repeated listens, I found things I did like... Paul's jazzy piano, Paul's high register background singing in later parts of the song etc.. I found this to be true with the other jam song on McCartney 3 "Deep Down". But I did agree with a couple on the panel that said that both songs were " too long and too repetitive" But my bottom line at the end of the day is that McCartney 3 is not a perfect album but I think it is still very good for the most part.
What does McCartney 3 do for Paul's legacy? That's a very good question. My quick answer is that i think it does a lot for his long range legacy. First of all, it completes the "trilogy" of his"do-it-yourself" type of albums and I think it is the "best" of all 3. On top of this and for anyone who was on the fence about Paul's overall "musical career"(Beatles, Wings and Solo) McCartney 3 in my opinion just "cements" just how good his Post Beatles' career has been. Yes, some could say that his Post Beatles' career was inconsistent at times but on the "whole" his body of work has been "Great".. I think most people now that we are into 2021 would agree with that statement.
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B J Conlee wrote:
Just some random thoughts...
For those who haven't seen it, there's a new " Youtube"Panel discussion with 4 or 5 critics discussing the McCartney 3 Album that's I think was pretty good. It was called "Ring Out the Year". The panelists included Ken Womack, Kit O'Tooole, Joe Mayo, and Ken Michaels. They discussed how they felt once they heard McCartney 3 in good quality. In general, they all loved the album. As usual, there were some interesting debates about specific songs but they loved the album by and large.
I've heard and seen a few Paul fans (either here or on Amazon who were disappointed with McCartney 3. The basic comment was that the new album wasn't up to Paul's normal standards and the songs weren't as good as his classics from previousl albums like Band on the Run, Ram, Tug of War, Flaming Pie, Chaos and Creation and New. I, for one, have to disagree with that line of thinking for these reasons. I think the best songs on McCartney 3 "hold their own" against previousl great Paul classics like Little Willow, Beautiful Night, Wanderlust, Band on the Run etc. etc. First of all, I think it's hard to compare these older classics with these brand new songs but I still think they are very good ...songs like Find My Way, Pretty Boys, Slidin, Kiss of Venus, Seize the Day etc.. I think in time they will become future classics. One of the things you have to do as a listener is to give them a chance with at least several repeated listens. If you are going to be closed minded about new material, then you will never think they are as good.
Getting back to the panel on "Ring Out the Year" several mentioned that "Deep Deep Feeling" was the lightning rod track as to whether you "loved it or hated it". That was my feeling at first and I definitely didn't like it. I have to say (like others on the panel) that the track did grow on me. Upon repeated listens, I found things I did like... Paul's jazzy piano, Paul's high register background singing in later parts of the song etc.. I found this to be true with the other jam song on McCartney 3 "Deep Down". But I did agree with a couple on the panel that said that both songs were " too long and too repetitive" But my bottom line at the end of the day is that McCartney 3 is not a perfect album but I think it is still very good for the most part.
What does McCartney 3 do for Paul's legacy? That's a very good question. My quick answer is that i think it does a lot for his long range legacy. First of all, it completes the "trilogy" of his"do-it-yourself" type of albums and I think it is the "best" of all 3. On top of this and for anyone who was on the fence about Paul's overall "musical career"(Beatles, Wings and Solo) McCartney 3 in my opinion just "cements" just how good his Post Beatles' career has been. Yes, some could say that his Post Beatles' career was inconsistent at times but on the "whole" his body of work has been "Great".. I think most people now that we are into 2021 would agree with that statement.
I have now listened to "McCartney III' six or seven times so my final opinion of it is pretty much the same as it was on the first listen. The beginning and end of the album are excellent, the ending is a bit stronger. I had concerns about his voice before hearing the album but it was just fine if you are used to his older voice. "Pretty Boys" had to grow on me a bit but it still is not in my top 5 songs from this album, you mentioned 4 of my top 5. The true test to me was listening to "Deep Deep Feeling" and "Deep Down" several times to see if it began to wear on me with the length. I found that the length did not bother me at all on "Deep Down" and while I agree "Deep Deep Feeling" could have been cut a couple of minutes, it is still one of my favorites.This is one instance where another voice might have advised him to cut the song a bit. I agree with you the best songs on this album can compare with the better songs on the albums you mentioned. Seriously, has there been any constant complaint by the critics about anything else but the length of a couple of songs?
Overall, I think this is the best of the "McCartney" albums even if it does not have a "signtature " song like "Maybe I'm Amazed" due to the quality of songs and no clunkers IMO. I thought about it fairly quickly and "McCartney III" is in my top 10 non-Beatle albums at #8. As for his legacy, it only helps his standing for his work after the Beatles. He has once again produced another good to very good album with pretty much universal acclaim. I think the music critics are now coming to the understanding that he has been more than "Beatle Paul" and has produced especially in the last 25 years some outstanding music.
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B J Conlee wrote:
What does McCartney 3 do for Paul's legacy? That's a very good question. My quick answer is that i think it does a lot for his long range legacy. First of all, it completes the "trilogy" of his"do-it-yourself" type of albums and I think it is the "best" of all 3. On top of this and for anyone who was on the fence about Paul's overall "musical career"(Beatles, Wings and Solo) McCartney 3 in my opinion just "cements" just how good his Post Beatles' career has been. Yes, some could say that his Post Beatles' career was inconsistent at times but on the "whole" his body of work has been "Great".. I think most people now that we are into 2021 would agree with that statement.
BJ,
Thanks for the heads up on the YouTube panel discussion, will definitely check that out! I thought the album was great the first time I heard it, but I'm loving it more with each and every listen. Great songs, playing, & production, and I think it's sequenced perfectly, as it has a great flow from beginning to end.
I've heard the"inconsistent" comments in reference to Paul's solo career many times, and it's usually, ironically from people who aren't well versed with his solo catalogue at all (beyond some hits). Art and music are a very subjective thing, so I respect everyone's opinion, but I do find it interesting that the word "inconsistent" is something that gets tossed around, because I really can't think of any artist, at any point who hit the mark every single time. Artists are human beings who make missteps, and I think there's a beauty in that. Also, who's to say what a misstep is? What impacts or emotionally speaks to one person may not speak to another on any level whatsoever. Anyway, just my two cents, haha.
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AnthonyB - Just listened to your cover of "Put It There" and you all did wonderful job, perfect song to do with your Dad !! BTW - I made sure I "liked it" on youtube.
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I finally got the McCartney III white vinyl from Record Store Day today!!! YAY
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Yankeefan2 wrote:
AnthonyB - Just listened to your cover of "Put It There" and you all did wonderful job, perfect song to do with your Dad !! BTW - I made sure I "liked it" on youtube.
Thank you so much for the kind words, really appreciate it! We did that right around the time MPL released the "Flowers in the Dirt" Archive, always been a favorite song of mine. One of my earliest memories is being in the car with my Dad listening to that album.
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^ Yes, great job AnthonyB! Well done!
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While I'm loving McCartney 3, it brings up these similar but different questions:
What is the "best" song on McCartney 3?
What is your "favorite" song on McCartney 3?
What is the "most important" song on McCartney 3?
While the 1st 2 questions are very subjective (lots of potential choices) but I think the 3rd question above is the easiest (for me anyway) to answer. The most "important" track on McCartney 3 is in my opinion "Slidin", Slidin is very important on the album because it stretches the "scope" of the type of songs on McCartney 3. It is the only "harder rock" song and it is done so well. I'm glad that Paul included this version on the proper McCartney 3 album because Rusty and Abe added so much to the song. I love the main guitar solo in the middle. It was just the right length and I also loved the psychedelic-like lyrics. Finally, it contained some of Paul's best vocals on the album. Thoughts?
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B J Conlee wrote:
While I'm loving McCartney 3, it brings up these similar but different questions:
What is the "best" song on McCartney 3?
What is your "favorite" song on McCartney 3?
What is the "most important" song on McCartney 3?
While the 1st 2 questions are very subjective (lots of potential choices) but I think the 3rd question above is the easiest (for me anyway) to answer. The most "important" track on McCartney 3 is in my opinion "Slidin", Slidin is very important on the album because it stretches the "scope" of the type of songs on McCartney 3. It is the only "harder rock" song and it is done so well. I'm glad that Paul included this version on the proper McCartney 3 album because Rusty and Abe added so much to the song. I love the main guitar solo in the middle. It was just the right length and I also loved the psychedelic-like lyrics. Finally, it contained some of Paul's best vocals on the album. Thoughts?
Here are mine:
Best song: "The Kiss Of Venus"- For me, this ticks off all the boxes of a "classic" Paul McCartney composition. Just an absolutely incredible, inspired melody, as well as beautiful lyrics. I also love that Harpsichord musical interlude, pure McCartney.
Favorite song: "When Winter Comes"- I loved this track immediately, as it made me think of the McCartney/RAM era, which is what I believe he's reflecting on here lyrically. I couldn't help but hear this song through the lens of 2020, and it's just so relatable on a multitude of levels. Also, my 4 year old daughter loves the animated music video for this, as well as the music video for "Find My Way"; they've both been frequently on repeat at our house since the album's release, haha.
Most important song: "Deep Deep Feeling"- See my lengthy post about this song a little further down this page, haha. I would argue it's the most important because it's the most different. There are a few songs from "Chaos and Creation in the Backyard" that strike me as having a similar mood ("How Kind of You", "At The Mercy", and the B-side "Growing Up Falling Down"), but none of them are quite as experimental. To my ears, this is Paul exploring new musical territory, which is astounding, considering how prolific he's been over the last 6 decades.
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oobu24 wrote:
^ Yes, great job AnthonyB! Well done!
Thank you so much!!
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Anthony B. wrote:
B J Conlee wrote:
While I'm loving McCartney 3, it brings up these similar but different questions:
What is the "best" song on McCartney 3?
What is your "favorite" song on McCartney 3?
What is the "most important" song on McCartney 3?
While the 1st 2 questions are very subjective (lots of potential choices) but I think the 3rd question above is the easiest (for me anyway) to answer. The most "important" track on McCartney 3 is in my opinion "Slidin", Slidin is very important on the album because it stretches the "scope" of the type of songs on McCartney 3. It is the only "harder rock" song and it is done so well. I'm glad that Paul included this version on the proper McCartney 3 album because Rusty and Abe added so much to the song. I love the main guitar solo in the middle. It was just the right length and I also loved the psychedelic-like lyrics. Finally, it contained some of Paul's best vocals on the album. Thoughts?
Here are mine:
Best song: "The Kiss Of Venus"- For me, this ticks off all the boxes of a "classic" Paul McCartney composition. Just an absolutely incredible, inspired melody, as well as beautiful lyrics. I also love that Harpsichord musical interlude, pure McCartney.
Favorite song: "When Winter Comes"- I loved this track immediately, as it made me think of the McCartney/RAM era, which is what I believe he's reflecting on here lyrically. I couldn't help but hear this song through the lens of 2020, and it's just so relatable on a multitude of levels. Also, my 4 year old daughter loves the animated music video for this, as well as the music video for "Find My Way"; they've both been frequently on repeat at our house since the album's release, haha.
Most important song: "Deep Deep Feeling"- See my lengthy post about this song a little further down this page, haha. I would argue it's the most important because it's the most different. There are a few songs from "Chaos and Creation in the Backyard" that strike me as having a similar mood ("How Kind of You", "At The Mercy", and the B-side "Growing Up Falling Down"), but none of them are quite as experimental. To my ears, this is Paul exploring new musical territory, which is astounding, considering how prolific he's been over the last 6 decades.
Great post and choices Anthony. I still think "Slidin" is a great choice and answer for all three questions. I forgot to add how great you and your brother's cover version of "Slidin" is. Loved it and I hope you get some sort of prize from Paul and MPL for doing it. If you don't mind, it you post your version of "Slidin". Everyone here should see it.
PS I also love the fact that your 4 year old daughter is growing up loving the Beatles and Paul. My Grandson just turned 2 last month. I can't wait to turn him on to Paul and the Beatles.
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B J Conlee wrote:
Great post and choices Anthony. I still think "Slidin" is a great choice and answer for all three questions. I forgot to add how great you and your brother's cover version of "Slidin" is. Loved it and I hope you get some sort of prize from Paul and MPL for doing it. If you don't mind, it you post your version of "Slidin". Everyone here should see it.
PS I also love the fact that your 4 year old daughter is growing up loving the Beatles and Paul. My Grandson just turned 2 last month. I can't wait to turn him on to Paul and the Beatles.
Thanks BJ! The album is so strong that I don't believe there are any wrong choices - so much great material to choose from. "Slidin" is definitely a highlight for me as well, I actually added it to my playlist when I'm working out. I love when Paul goes into full out rock mode, like "Only Mama Knows", "Save Us", "Cut Me Some Slack", "Hunt You Down", etc., so I loved this one right away as well. Really happy you enjoyed our short cover! Here's the link as requested:
Slidin' Cover:
Agreed, it's a really wonderful experience to introduce her to this music that's been with me all of my life, and even more wonderful that she's enjoying it, haha
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Anthony B. wrote:
B J Conlee wrote:
Great post and choices Anthony. I still think "Slidin" is a great choice and answer for all three questions. I forgot to add how great you and your brother's cover version of "Slidin" is. Loved it and I hope you get some sort of prize from Paul and MPL for doing it. If you don't mind, it you post your version of "Slidin". Everyone here should see it.
PS I also love the fact that your 4 year old daughter is growing up loving the Beatles and Paul. My Grandson just turned 2 last month. I can't wait to turn him on to Paul and the Beatles.
Thanks BJ! The album is so strong that I don't believe there are any wrong choices - so much great material to choose from. "Slidin" is definitely a highlight for me as well, I actually added it to my playlist when I'm working out. I love when Paul goes into full out rock mode, like "Only Mama Knows", "Save Us", "Cut Me Some Slack", "Hunt You Down", etc., so I loved this one right away as well. Really happy you enjoyed our short cover! Here's the link as requested:
Slidin' Cover:
Agreed, it's a really wonderful experience to introduce her to this music that's been with me all of my life, and even more wonderful that she's enjoying it, haha
Hey Anthony,
You're so right. There are so many good songs, there really are very few wrong choices. I have to say that both you and Yankeefan helped me to have more of an "appreciation" for a track like "Deep Deep Feeling".
I love the fact that a terrific musician like you loves this new Paul McCartney album so much. It validates for me that this isn't just an good album because it has Paul McCartney's name on it with lots of promotion. It really is another "latter day gem" by an artist that really deserves all the accolades.
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Anthony B. wrote:
B J Conlee wrote:
While I'm loving McCartney 3, it brings up these similar but different questions:
What is the "best" song on McCartney 3?
What is your "favorite" song on McCartney 3?
What is the "most important" song on McCartney 3?
While the 1st 2 questions are very subjective (lots of potential choices) but I think the 3rd question above is the easiest (for me anyway) to answer. The most "important" track on McCartney 3 is in my opinion "Slidin", Slidin is very important on the album because it stretches the "scope" of the type of songs on McCartney 3. It is the only "harder rock" song and it is done so well. I'm glad that Paul included this version on the proper McCartney 3 album because Rusty and Abe added so much to the song. I love the main guitar solo in the middle. It was just the right length and I also loved the psychedelic-like lyrics. Finally, it contained some of Paul's best vocals on the album. Thoughts?
Here are mine:
Best song: "The Kiss Of Venus"- For me, this ticks off all the boxes of a "classic" Paul McCartney composition. Just an absolutely incredible, inspired melody, as well as beautiful lyrics. I also love that Harpsichord musical interlude, pure McCartney.
Favorite song: "When Winter Comes"- I loved this track immediately, as it made me think of the McCartney/RAM era, which is what I believe he's reflecting on here lyrically. I couldn't help but hear this song through the lens of 2020, and it's just so relatable on a multitude of levels. Also, my 4 year old daughter loves the animated music video for this, as well as the music video for "Find My Way"; they've both been frequently on repeat at our house since the album's release, haha.
Most important song: "Deep Deep Feeling"- See my lengthy post about this song a little further down this page, haha. I would argue it's the most important because it's the most different. There are a few songs from "Chaos and Creation in the Backyard" that strike me as having a similar mood ("How Kind of You", "At The Mercy", and the B-side "Growing Up Falling Down"), but none of them are quite as experimental. To my ears, this is Paul exploring new musical territory, which is astounding, considering how prolific he's been over the last 6 decades.
I feel the same about The Kiss of Venus being a classic and (probably) the best song on the album. I also feel the same about When Winter Comes being my favorite (it's very comforting somehow).
Picking the most important song is harder for me. I agree that Deep Deep Feeling is important because it is exploring new musical territory, but its also my least favorite song on the album. I suppose I'd pick Long Tailed Winter Bird as most important because it's a little exploratory and I also really like it.
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I thought I would note how much I love the art work of the front cover and the picture of McCartney on the back cover. Inside I noticed picture of Paul with Nancy and I was not sure if she had ever been in picture with him on any other album. Others on this board will know better than me so let me know if I am wrog which I probably am -lol. I got the CD so the pictures are not big like the album and I bet that is much nicer.
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^ There are different pictures on some of the albums. And no, Nancy hasn't been on any albums.
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Has anybody had their record store indie album show up without it being numbered? Both myself and a friend received one without it being numbered.