McCartney III Single
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B J Conlee wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
B J Conlee wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
Nearly every track is worthy of a single release, McCartney lll really is that good. Personally I would go with Slidin' first or perhaps a slighted edited Deep Down. It really is difficult to choose.
Thanks Kestrel. Have you been away, I haven't seen you here lately.
You have ESP. I was thinking of both those tracks...Slidin and Deep Down. I agree with you that many McCartney 3 tracks have "single" potential although I have been a little surprised on Maccaboard as several regulars have espressed a little disappointed with the new album.
My question for you...could Capitol do these 3 tracks simultaneously. That might be the best strategy and then follow up the broad based track "Find My Way" with "Pretty Boys" or "Seize the Day"on the next round.
I have cut back on my time on-line in general so I'm only on these boards for about 5 to 10 minutes a day. That's not long enough to read all the posts let alone reply or post comments.
McCartney lll seems very much a marmite album so either you 'get it' and can enjoy it or you 'don't get it' and be disappointed. I just love it though and constantly feel compelled to play it several times a day, every day. The album feels very organic and very alive, in a way that the clinically lightweight Egypt Station never did.
I'm not sure singles are of any importance these days unfortunately. I haven't bought any for years as I don't download on-line and would only be interested in a physical cd single, which isn't going to happen nowadays. I'm not convinced a single release would gain the album any more airplay as most radio stations tend to pick and run with the tracks of their own choosing. Unfortunately I can see McCartney lll plummeting down the charts in the next few weeks and that it will end up being Paul's poorest selling album globally. To avoid that stigma it will need to sell more than the 500,000 units that Egypt Station shifted.
Kestrel...Thanks for the imput. I know this Site is an extremely "small sample" but McCartney 3 does seem to have a "get it" or "don't get it" type of feeling so far. The ones here that like the new album really like it. At the same time, quite a few others (e.g. Beatle Paul fans) seem disappointed.
I'm hoping that Bruce joins this discussion about "Singles". He seems to know a whole lot more about "singles" than I do. I agree with you that McCartney 3 does have more "mass appeal"than other recent Paul Solo albums. I still have hope that McCartney 3 won't plummet down the charts in a few weeks. Has there been any announcement that Capitol is definitely releasing a "single". And I would be very curious what the b-sides would be. Hey Bruce..give us the latest facts here.
I think I answered my own question by just doing a little research. Looking up McCartney 3 and "Find My Way" single, they said that "while there is no single release for Find My Way, the song is being given a single-like treatment where Capitol has already issued a promotional music video of "Find My Way" directed by Roman Coppola.
Assuming that it is quite expensive for Capitol to release a "physical" Find My Way single, I can only think that the chances of hearing "Find My Way" on general commercial FM radio stations has been greatly diminished. My guess that probably in a joint decision, Capitol and MPL are very satisfied with all the pre-release promotion they have recieved for McCartney 3 and that an actual physical "single" release would be like wasting money in the possible hope that it would sinificantly increase additional album sales. They are already getting plenty of publicity with all the hype that McCartney 3 has received via all the music videos they have already made and available for commercial TV and "steaming" services. I'm certainly no expert but I'm not expecting to hear on a mass basis many McCartney 3 songs being played on commercial radio or retail playlists at least in the US. Just my guess. Anyone who knows more or wants to correct anything I have said, please feel free to comment. Thanks
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BJ - I checked on youtube and the official video of "Find My Way" got over 2.4 million views and 83 comments. In today's world, that is probably better than releasing a single that may get played once or twice a day on a radio station. BTW - the video is really good IMO.
Find My Way Official Video
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Yankeefan2 wrote:
BJ - I checked on youtube and the official video of "Find My Way" got over 2.4 million views and 83 comments. In today's world, that is probably better than releasing a single that may get played once or twice a day on a radio station.
Thanks Yankeefan. I'm not an expert on Singles (as we have both said) but it probably costs more than we think. In Paul's and MPL's Case, they don't have to pay a lot of money to "buy" commercial radio airplay so I understand why Capitol and MPL don't want to come out with "physical" singles especially when they are getting tons of free publicity on McCartney 3. Just this morning I saw another great review on McCartney 3 in a Harrisburg PA newspaper. That was free compared to Capitol and MPL spending a lot of money creating or buying "physical singles" to try to get radio stations to play McCartney 3.
I would love McCartney 3 songs to be played on commercial FM radio stations but on the good side I think it is better that songs like "Find My Way" don't get overplayed like Ebony and Ivory and Say Say Say did. In my opinion, McCartney 3 is a great album and I would rather see it not overplayed.
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Whilst I truly love every song, Find My Way (and that great video) and The Kiss of Venus are my top faves this week...the harpsichord gives them a great sound IMHO.
Also liking Deep Down and it's boozy party atmosphere (great video too)
When Winter Comes is also a favorite as it harkens back to happy times, down on the farm and family memories. I also love the acoustic Winter Bird reprise that transitions with the drawn out pipe organ chord. Cool
It even ties up the album with a happy ending, where winter is over and the family flies away into the sun. A great ending in typical Paul style, winter time can be rough and so keep your thoughts on the hopes for the future and sunny days that will be returning. Quite apropos for these times...and something for us to hold on to.
I really love the new video for this song as well, very well done, even to the windmill on the hill and the sheepdog. Did Paul and Linda have a Clydesdale horse? Really loved how they held hands and flew into the sun at the end.
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love2travel wrote:
Whilst I truly love every song, Find My Way (and that great video) and The Kiss of Venus are my top faves this week...the harpsichord gives them a great sound IMHO.
Also liking Deep Down and it's boozy party atmosphere (great video too)
When Winter Comes is also a favorite as it harkens back to happy times, down on the farm and family memories. I also love the acoustic Winter Bird reprise that transitions with the drawn out pipe organ chord. Cool
It even ties up the album with a happy ending, where winter is over and the family flies away into the sun. A great ending in typical Paul style, winter time can be rough and so keep your thoughts on the hopes for the future and sunny days that will be returning. Quite apropos for these times...and something for us to hold on to.
I really love the new video for this song as well, very well done, even to the windmill on the hill and the sheepdog. Did Paul and Linda have a Clydesdale horse? Really loved how they held hands and flew into the sun at the end.
I agree with you totall on McCartney 3. Love all the songs you mentioned. I think the album has very good variety. I'm not a big lover of the heavier metal genre but I also love "Slidin". I think it has just the right amount of the solo electric guitar. Great song in my opinioin. Like the lyrics and Paul's singing as well.
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love2travel wrote:
When Winter Comes is also a favorite as it harkens back to happy times, down on the farm and family memories. I also love the acoustic Winter Bird reprise that transitions with the drawn out pipe organ chord. Cool
It even ties up the album with a happy ending, where winter is over and the family flies away into the sun. A great ending in typical Paul style, winter time can be rough and so keep your thoughts on the hopes for the future and sunny days that will be returning. Quite apropos for these times...and something for us to hold on to.
I really love the new video for this song as well, very well done, even to the windmill on the hill and the sheepdog. Did Paul and Linda have a Clydesdale horse?
Not to my knowledge, mostly Appaloosas. Have seen other horses (perhaps Quarter horses) in music videos. I used to have a beautiful sorrel (chestnut) colored Quarter horse in 1992/1993.
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2.7 million YouTube views is not a lot. Taylor Swift's "Willow," released Dec. 10, is over 47 million, and top-selling artists sometimes get hundreds of millions of views.
As for radio, it can certainly help, though it's no doubt a smaller factor than in pre-internet days. Find My Way has in fact been promoted to radio and has gotten modest pickup on Triple A format stations, but it's not exactly burning up the airplay charts. And it seems like the publicity has mostly stopped, so that's probably it.
I'm actually not surprised. As I'm pretty sure I said before, this is typical for older artists: With decent publicity, the old fanbase turns out to buy it the first week, then things drop off. Such is life. Count all the other artists over age 75 who still have albums chart in the top 5.
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Nancy R wrote:
love2travel wrote:
When Winter Comes is also a favorite as it harkens back to happy times, down on the farm and family memories. I also love the acoustic Winter Bird reprise that transitions with the drawn out pipe organ chord. Cool
It even ties up the album with a happy ending, where winter is over and the family flies away into the sun. A great ending in typical Paul style, winter time can be rough and so keep your thoughts on the hopes for the future and sunny days that will be returning. Quite apropos for these times...and something for us to hold on to.
I really love the new video for this song as well, very well done, even to the windmill on the hill and the sheepdog. Did Paul and Linda have a Clydesdale horse?
Not to my knowledge, mostly Appaloosas. Have seen other horses (perhaps Quarter horses) in music videos. I used to have a beautiful sorrel (chestnut) colored Quarter horse in 1992/1993.
They had a Shetland Pony (I think) in the living room picture with young Stella and Mary on the horse and Paul leaning over them. Recently saw a photo of Beautiful stables that they had at a weekend home. There were 9-10 stalls. They must have had numerous horses at that time.
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Bruce M. wrote:
2.7 million YouTube views is not a lot. Taylor Swift's "Willow," released Dec. 10, is over 47 million, and top-selling artists sometimes get hundreds of millions of views.
As for radio, it can certainly help, though it's no doubt a smaller factor than in pre-internet days. Find My Way has in fact been promoted to radio and has gotten modest pickup on Triple A format stations, but it's not exactly burning up the airplay charts. And it seems like the publicity has mostly stopped, so that's probably it.
I'm actually not surprised. As I'm pretty sure I said before, this is typical for older artists: With decent publicity, the old fanbase turns out to buy it the first week, then things drop off. Such is life. Count all the other artists over age 75 who still have albums chart in the top 5.
Hey Bruce...so glad you're back. You're our "Singles' guru compared to most of us. I google McCartney 3 most every day and they said that Capitol has not released a physical "Single" for Find My Way but they are giving "Find My Way" a "single-like treatment" issuing a music vidio for Find My Way directed by Roman Coppola.
Does not issuing a formal single really hurt "Find My Way" chances of getting on the charts or getting any consistent radio airplay. I remember "Come On To Me" doing pretty well on the charts when Egypt Station was released. Now that McCartney 3 is starting to drop down the album charts pretty quickly, does not having a "single" really speed the process.
In googling McCartney 3, I still see very favorable reviews on McCartney 3. Just yesterday I saw 2 (one from the Pittsburgh area and one from Oregon) and that always helps but these free reviews are not going to last too long. The critics have been very positive on the album but I would think it needs some "chart" action. What do you think?
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Bruce M. wrote:
2.7 million YouTube views is not a lot. Taylor Swift's "Willow," released Dec. 10, is over 47 million, and top-selling artists sometimes get hundreds of millions of views.
As for radio, it can certainly help, though it's no doubt a smaller factor than in pre-internet days. Find My Way has in fact been promoted to radio and has gotten modest pickup on Triple A format stations, but it's not exactly burning up the airplay charts. And it seems like the publicity has mostly stopped, so that's probably it.
I'm actually not surprised. As I'm pretty sure I said before, this is typical for older artists: With decent publicity, the old fanbase turns out to buy it the first week, then things drop off. Such is life. Count all the other artists over age 75 who still have albums chart in the top 5.
Thanks for the input Bruce. I thought 2.7 million views was not bad especially for older artist but in comparsion to Taylor Swift it is next to nothing. I never expected "McCartney III" to stay in the charts long but I was hoping it had a little more "legs" than his other recent albums due to the critical acclaim and publicity. The thing that gets me is people will still flock to his concerts but never will give his new music a chance. At this point, I am satisfied with the critical acclaim for the most part by the critics. Finally, I am pleased to say that my brother who is a major Beach Boy fan (Brian Wilson) and never bought a McCartney record ever bought "McCartney III" - yeah !!
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love2travel wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
love2travel wrote:
When Winter Comes is also a favorite as it harkens back to happy times, down on the farm and family memories. I also love the acoustic Winter Bird reprise that transitions with the drawn out pipe organ chord. Cool
It even ties up the album with a happy ending, where winter is over and the family flies away into the sun. A great ending in typical Paul style, winter time can be rough and so keep your thoughts on the hopes for the future and sunny days that will be returning. Quite apropos for these times...and something for us to hold on to.
I really love the new video for this song as well, very well done, even to the windmill on the hill and the sheepdog. Did Paul and Linda have a Clydesdale horse?
Not to my knowledge, mostly Appaloosas. Have seen other horses (perhaps Quarter horses) in music videos. I used to have a beautiful sorrel (chestnut) colored Quarter horse in 1992/1993.
They had a Shetland Pony (I think) in the living room picture with young Stella and Mary on the horse and Paul leaning over them. Recently saw a photo of Beautiful stables that they had at a weekend home. There were 9-10 stalls. They must have had numerous horses at that time.
Just saw this yesterday after I posted:
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Yankeefan2 wrote:
Bruce M. wrote:
2.7 million YouTube views is not a lot. Taylor Swift's "Willow," released Dec. 10, is over 47 million, and top-selling artists sometimes get hundreds of millions of views.
As for radio, it can certainly help, though it's no doubt a smaller factor than in pre-internet days. Find My Way has in fact been promoted to radio and has gotten modest pickup on Triple A format stations, but it's not exactly burning up the airplay charts. And it seems like the publicity has mostly stopped, so that's probably it.
I'm actually not surprised. As I'm pretty sure I said before, this is typical for older artists: With decent publicity, the old fanbase turns out to buy it the first week, then things drop off. Such is life. Count all the other artists over age 75 who still have albums chart in the top 5.
Thanks for the input Bruce. I thought 2.7 million views was not bad especially for older artist but in comparsion to Taylor Swift it is next to nothing. I never expected "McCartney III" to stay in the charts long but I was hoping it had a little more "legs" than his other recent albums due to the critical acclaim and publicity. The thing that gets me is people will still flock to his concerts but never will give his new music a chance. At this point, I am satisfied with the critical acclaim for the most part by the critics. Finally, I am pleased to say that my brother who is a major Beach Boy fan (Brian Wilson) and never bought a McCartney record ever bought "McCartney III" - yeah !!
Most of the people that go to Paul gigs probably haven't bought anything since the early 80s if you're lucky or are just Beatle/Wings fans. Love2travel who's a friend of mine is always bemoaning the fact Paul sells Rusty and Brian CDS at his gigs but not his latest album, which is a little odd, to say the least. I feel plenty of fans that jumped ship are missing out on plenty of good to great stuff, especially since Flaming Pie in 97.
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BOYCIE wrote:
Yankeefan2 wrote:
Bruce M. wrote:
2.7 million YouTube views is not a lot. Taylor Swift's "Willow," released Dec. 10, is over 47 million, and top-selling artists sometimes get hundreds of millions of views.
As for radio, it can certainly help, though it's no doubt a smaller factor than in pre-internet days. Find My Way has in fact been promoted to radio and has gotten modest pickup on Triple A format stations, but it's not exactly burning up the airplay charts. And it seems like the publicity has mostly stopped, so that's probably it.
I'm actually not surprised. As I'm pretty sure I said before, this is typical for older artists: With decent publicity, the old fanbase turns out to buy it the first week, then things drop off. Such is life. Count all the other artists over age 75 who still have albums chart in the top 5.
Thanks for the input Bruce. I thought 2.7 million views was not bad especially for older artist but in comparsion to Taylor Swift it is next to nothing. I never expected "McCartney III" to stay in the charts long but I was hoping it had a little more "legs" than his other recent albums due to the critical acclaim and publicity. The thing that gets me is people will still flock to his concerts but never will give his new music a chance. At this point, I am satisfied with the critical acclaim for the most part by the critics. Finally, I am pleased to say that my brother who is a major Beach Boy fan (Brian Wilson) and never bought a McCartney record ever bought "McCartney III" - yeah !!
Most of the people that go to Paul gigs probably haven't bought anything since the early 80s if you're lucky or are just Beatle/Wings fans. Love2travel who's a friend of mine is always bemoaning the fact Paul sells Rusty and Brian CDS at his gigs but not his latest album, which is a little odd, to say the least. I feel plenty of fans that jumped ship are missing out on plenty of good to great stuff, especially since Flaming Pie in 97.
Not selling his latest album is more than odd (lol), it is absolutely stupid. I really wonder about his management team sometimes.
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Hey BOYCIE! Welcome back! Long time no see you here!
P.S. Totally agree with you!
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Nancy R wrote:
Hey BOYCIE! Welcome back! Long time no see you here!
P.S. Totally agree with you!
Hey Nancy!
When I joined up here in 2007 it was all new and I was loving it, I think I got to the point where there was so much bitchiness over having differing opinions that I got out. I'm by no means a shrinking violet and I can stand my ground but unlike sports. we're supposed to be on the same side and I think it started to get unseemly and childish. Also, now there's so many Macca facebook pages now and podcast fb pages etc I spend any McCartney time there, though of course fans overstepping the mark is still around. The good thing that came from the maccaboard is I have a few friends I made in the early days and 13 years down the line they still are, especially love2travel who's one of my dearest friends now. She was due to see McCartney again with me in Lille in May but of course, COVID buggered that up. All is well, hope all is well with you?
McCartney III is great by the way, though you're not keen?
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Welcome back Boycie and I agree with you 100% on McCartney 3. It continues to grow with me.
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BOYCIE wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Hey BOYCIE! Welcome back! Long time no see you here!
P.S. Totally agree with you!
Hey Nancy!
When I joined up here in 2007 it was all new and I was loving it, I think I got to the point where there was so much bitchiness over having differing opinions that I got out. I'm by no means a shrinking violet and I can stand my ground but unlike sports. we're supposed to be on the same side and I think it started to get unseemly and childish. Also, now there's so many Macca facebook pages now and podcast fb pages etc I spend any McCartney time there, though of course fans overstepping the mark is still around. The good thing that came from the maccaboard is I have a few friends I made in the early days and 13 years down the line they still are, especially love2travel who's one of my dearest friends now. She was due to see McCartney again with me in Lille in May but of course, COVID buggered that up. All is well, hope all is well with you?
McCartney III is great by the way, though you're not keen?
BOYCIE is back!!! So good to see you here dearest friend
Happy to see that Rockdown has given you some more time to spend with music instead of work! Looking forward to the day we can resume our concert travels and share a Kopparberg Cider at the Pub,
and then nip over to get a Bakewell! Cheers L2T x
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B J Conlee wrote:
love2travel wrote:
Whilst I truly love every song, Find My Way (and that great video) and The Kiss of Venus are my top faves this week...the harpsichord gives them a great sound IMHO.
Also liking Deep Down and it's boozy party atmosphere (great video too)
When Winter Comes is also a favorite as it harkens back to happy times, down on the farm and family memories. I also love the acoustic Winter Bird reprise that transitions with the drawn out pipe organ chord. Cool
It even ties up the album with a happy ending, where winter is over and the family flies away into the sun. A great ending in typical Paul style, winter time can be rough and so keep your thoughts on the hopes for the future and sunny days that will be returning. Quite apropos for these times...and something for us to hold on to.
I really love the new video for this song as well, very well done, even to the windmill on the hill and the sheepdog. Did Paul and Linda have a Clydesdale horse? Really loved how they held hands and flew into the sun at the end.
I agree with you totall on McCartney 3. Love all the songs you mentioned. I think the album has very good variety. I'm not a big lover of the heavier metal genre but I also love "Slidin". I think it has just the right amount of the solo electric guitar. Great song in my opinioin. Like the lyrics and Paul's singing as well.
Great point about "Slidin" BJ and yes its a great variety of songs. Just enjoying the entire album and Paul's singing as well.
Soooo Since England is back on Rockdown...hope Paul is near a bunch of his musical instruments and Mary and her great cooking is also nearby. Can we get lucky again...fingers crossed!!!!
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BOYCIE wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Hey BOYCIE! Welcome back! Long time no see you here!
P.S. Totally agree with you!
Hey Nancy!
When I joined up here in 2007 it was all new and I was loving it, I think I got to the point where there was so much bitchiness over having differing opinions that I got out. I'm by no means a shrinking violet and I can stand my ground but unlike sports. we're supposed to be on the same side and I think it started to get unseemly and childish. Also, now there's so many Macca facebook pages now and podcast fb pages etc I spend any McCartney time there, though of course fans overstepping the mark is still around. The good thing that came from the maccaboard is I have a few friends I made in the early days and 13 years down the line they still are, especially love2travel who's one of my dearest friends now. She was due to see McCartney again with me in Lille in May but of course, COVID buggered that up. All is well, hope all is well with you?
McCartney III is great by the way, though you're not keen?
I need to listen to it more. Not as keen about it as Egypt Station or NEW, though. I've been sick with Covid (read my account in Covid thread) and tomorrow is my last day of quarantine. Today is my twins' 34th birthday and won't be able to see them, plus my son has come down with cough, cold and got tested yesterday. Results in several days. My rapid test was + on the 5th, but still don't have results of regular test.
You take care! You're on lockdown in U.K. right?
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B J Conlee wrote:
Welcome back Boycie and I agree with you 100% on McCartney 3. It continues to grow with me.
Thanks, BJ.
McCartney III is a double-edged sword with me as my 15 year old nephew was murdered on June 18th Paul's birthday, oh the irony, and because of the pandemic and being out of school he was killed. McCartney III being recorded because of COVID 19 is a very conflicting listen, to say the least, no pandemic no McCartney III, no pandemic no family tragedy. Obviously in reality I wish it wasn't made as we all across the globe would be leading normal lives and certain horrific events would never have occurred. Stepping away from the gloom and doom, I do think McCartney III is a very good album and Find My Way the obvious single, whatever that is these days for older artists.