"Out There" 2013 Setlist Critique and Suggestions
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One difference between Elton, Paul and Neil Young is that Neil almost certainly couldn't care less if the audience likes what he's playing-he plays exactly what he wants to. Bob Dylan is the same-booed every night on the infamous 'electric' tour in 1965 and again around 15 years later when he converted to Christianity and played exclusively 'religious' songs on the road-at one point he started taunting the audience by announcing near the start of the shows that he wouldn't be playing any old songs so anybody who wanted to leave might as well leave now.
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We all know that "Come Together" was the only Beatles song that John Lennon performed in NYC '72. And although I think he would've eventually embraced his Beatles legacy the same way Paul did in the '80s, I think that -- sooner or later -- enough would've been enough.
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audi:
We all know that "Come Together" was the only Beatles song that John Lennon performed in NYC '72. And although I think he would've eventually embraced his Beatles legacy the same way Paul did in the '80s, I think that -- sooner or later -- enough would've been enough.
I agree. But I have doubts that John would ever have revisited any of his songs pre-Sgt. Peppers. Maybe even pre White Album.
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I could not see John playing anything earlier than Revolver...maybe "In My Life"
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Please keep 'HoD' in the Europe shows, don't really want to hear IJSAF for a third time Surprised that Get Back was rotated usually he'll keep GB and ISHST both together.
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John was going to tour in 81, and mentioned performing I Want To Hold Your Hand. Alas...
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moptops:
John was going to tour in 81, and mentioned performing I Want To Hold Your Hand. Alas...
Source please.
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WixRocks!:
I could not see John playing anything earlier than Revolver...maybe "In My Life"
I agree.
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RMartinez:
moptops:
John was going to tour in 81, and mentioned performing I Want To Hold Your Hand. Alas...
Source please.
Many places. Off the top of my head, Peter Doggett's excellent book "You Never Give Me Your Money"
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I watched a John Lennon documentary recently, and it did mention that John was very excited about the '81 tour, and that he wanted to use the same band that played on Double Fantasy. I wish it had gone into more detail on what songs he was planning.
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KingMacca:
http://www.tpimagazine.com/Chronicle/744052/the_lost_lennon_tour.html
"...Lennon?s recent renewed interest in his Beatles catalogue, along with private comments to those closest to him, suggested that new, specially arranged versions of ?I Want To Hold Your Hand?, ?She Loves You?, ?Help!? and ? one of the few ?Fab? songs with which he consistently associated himself ? ?I Am The Walrus? were to have made the selection. Fifties standards such as ?Rip It Up? and ?Be- Bop-A-Lula? were also likely to have made the set in acknowledgment of Lennon?s rock?n?roll roots. According to writer Castor Dekker, Yoko Ono revealed after her husband?s death that, ?John said, ?We have to sing ?I Want To Hold Your Hand??. Solo classics ?Imagine?, ?Give Peace A Chance? and ?Instant Karma? were A-list contenders, as were the then-current ?Starting Over? and ?Woman?, and even newer songs set aside for the couple?s next projected album release, Milk And Honey, including ?Nobody Told Me?, ?Borrowed Time? and Ono?s disco-flavoured ?Walking On Thin Ice?. A specially-written ?Nutopian? anthem, ?One World, One People?, is said to have been earmarked as the set?s finale jam at every show. ..."
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I stand corrected! What a shame Lennon was not able to tour.
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I LOVE George Harrison's re-arrangement of "In My Life" on the Dark Horse Tour (a.k.a the Hoarse Horse Tour ). I wonder what Lennon's re-arrangements would've been like.
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But, as I stated a page or two back: Eventually, enough would've been enough.
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audi:
KingMacca:
http://www.tpimagazine.com/Chronicle/744052/the_lost_lennon_tour.html
"...Lennon?s recent renewed interest in his Beatles catalogue, along with private comments to those closest to him, suggested that new, specially arranged versions of ?I Want To Hold Your Hand?, ?She Loves You?, ?Help!? and ? one of the few ?Fab? songs with which he consistently associated himself ? ?I Am The Walrus? were to have made the selection. Fifties standards such as ?Rip It Up? and ?Be- Bop-A-Lula? were also likely to have made the set in acknowledgment of Lennon?s rock?n?roll roots. According to writer Castor Dekker, Yoko Ono revealed after her husband?s death that, ?John said, ?We have to sing ?I Want To Hold Your Hand??. Solo classics ?Imagine?, ?Give Peace A Chance? and ?Instant Karma? were A-list contenders, as were the then-current ?Starting Over? and ?Woman?, and even newer songs set aside for the couple?s next projected album release, Milk And Honey, including ?Nobody Told Me?, ?Borrowed Time? and Ono?s disco-flavoured ?Walking On Thin Ice?. A specially-written ?Nutopian? anthem, ?One World, One People?, is said to have been earmarked as the set?s finale jam at every show. ..."
The what ifs in life make one sad indeed. Strange that 1980 saw the derailment of the Wings tour with the Japanese arrest and Paul stayed off the road for nearly ten years. For John, tour plans were the least of what was lost.
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John Mackintosh:
audi:
KingMacca:
http://www.tpimagazine.com/Chronicle/744052/the_lost_lennon_tour.html
"...Lennon?s recent renewed interest in his Beatles catalogue, along with private comments to those closest to him, suggested that new, specially arranged versions of ?I Want To Hold Your Hand?, ?She Loves You?, ?Help!? and ? one of the few ?Fab? songs with which he consistently associated himself ? ?I Am The Walrus? were to have made the selection. Fifties standards such as ?Rip It Up? and ?Be- Bop-A-Lula? were also likely to have made the set in acknowledgment of Lennon?s rock?n?roll roots. According to writer Castor Dekker, Yoko Ono revealed after her husband?s death that, ?John said, ?We have to sing ?I Want To Hold Your Hand??. Solo classics ?Imagine?, ?Give Peace A Chance? and ?Instant Karma? were A-list contenders, as were the then-current ?Starting Over? and ?Woman?, and even newer songs set aside for the couple?s next projected album release, Milk And Honey, including ?Nobody Told Me?, ?Borrowed Time? and Ono?s disco-flavoured ?Walking On Thin Ice?. A specially-written ?Nutopian? anthem, ?One World, One People?, is said to have been earmarked as the set?s finale jam at every show. ..."
The what ifs in life make one sad indeed. Strange that 1980 saw the derailment of the Wings tour with the Japanese arrest and Paul stayed off the road for nearly ten years. For John, tour plans were the least of what was lost.
True.
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DrBeatle:
RMartinez:
moptops:
John was going to tour in 81, and mentioned performing I Want To Hold Your Hand. Alas...
Source please.
Many places. Off the top of my head, Peter Doggett's excellent book "You Never Give Me Your Money"
Yes, even Yoko Ono confirmed it: "I don?t remember if he was thinking of doing ?SHE LOVES YOU.? He definitely was thinking of doing ?I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND.? but who knows. He may have changed his mind at the last minute. Don?t count on anything in life. Just enjoy as it happens.", she stated after a fan asked her about this through Twitter. This, plus the fact Lennon tried to rework 'Help!' in a piano arrangement in late 1970 (
) and got back to playing 'She's A Woman' ( ) during his last studio sessions in 1980 and threw in so many other Beatles-references (even while it was mostly sarcastic, ) says enough of how highly he regarded his whole body of work. Not only his work he made with Yoko Ono. -
nobodytoldme:
DrBeatle:
RMartinez:
moptops:
John was going to tour in 81, and mentioned performing I Want To Hold Your Hand. Alas...
Source please.
Many places. Off the top of my head, Peter Doggett's excellent book "You Never Give Me Your Money"
Yes, even Yoko Ono confirmed it: "I don?t remember if he was thinking of doing ?SHE LOVES YOU.? He definitely was thinking of doing ?I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND.? but who knows. He may have changed his mind at the last minute. Don?t count on anything in life. Just enjoy as it happens.", she stated after a fan asked her about this through Twitter. This, plus the fact Lennon tried to rework 'Help!' in a piano arrangement in late 1970 (
) and got back to playing 'She's A Woman' ( ) during his last studio sessions in 1980 and threw in so many other Beatles-references (even while it was mostly sarcastic, ) says enough of how highly he regarded his whole body of work. Not only his work he made with Yoko Ono.He even had Beatles-influenced Cheap Trick back him and Yoko on a couple of tracks for Double Fantasy. The tracks were not on the official album, but the riffs and style were copied by his studio band for I'M LOSING YOU.
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Man, reading through that link really made me sad... fucking sucks dude. you know what's really weird, that he bailed on that plan to go to Hawaii for the Mike Douglas TV special in mid 1980.. I believe MDC was living in Hawaii at that point, was he not? It's like he was on a crash course with that dude. Great link KingMacca, I'm not sure I had seen that one before. When I listen to Double Fantasy I think all John's songs are top notch on it. He was really dialed in again and I think that tour would have been outstanding, and the music making future looked really bright again, his head was in the perfect place. It's interesting to compare the sound and his outlook on Df / M&H compared to what he was making on albums from 1970-1975. He was so tormented coming out of the Beatles, so much crap in his head and unresolved issues. The music/art he made during that period was really great stuff, very groundbreaking in a lot of cases, but I've always seen it as a bit tormented and distracted. which is the intriguing factor in most of it, its so raw and more or less with a dissregard for the pop sensabilities that made them famous. But by the time of his comeback he was feeling good again and was enthusiastic again about making music and embracing his pop side again, even the Beatles stuff. That prosepct is so exciting, I think the whole music world would have been energized by a guy like him doing his thing. He was a fearless leader, out of the box thinking and pushing envelopes. the whole music scene would have benefited by having a John Lennon in it contributing. a massive understatement IMO. His sets in 1980 could have been awesome http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=76573&start=0