Set List critique
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audi:
RockyRaccoon68:
Delighted about Can't Buy Me Love...
Agreed. "All My Loving" had to go.
RockyRaccoon68:
Baffled at the removal of Listen to What the Man Said...
The falsetto part at the end was getting pretty rough. It was a wise decision.
RockyRaccoon68:
...Gutted that Magical Mystery Tour is STILL kicking around, he has so many songs he could open with and he insists on rotating the same few songs for almost 15 years now...
I wish one of his band-members would actually take the risk and talk to McCartney musician-to-musician, and tell the boss: "Bro...give this song a rest." Being McCartney sidemen has certainly afforded them career opportunities for their own, respective solo-careers, but they have GOT to be bored sh-tless doing the same songs gig after gig, tour after tour.
"Being McCartney sidemen has certainly afforded them career opportunities for their own, respective solo-careers, but they have GOT to be bored sh-tless doing the same songs gig after gig, tour after tour." Great post. IMO the band has gotten every last thing they could possibly want out of touring with Mr. McCartney and at this point it has to be very boring. I can't imagine Mr. McCartney pays that much better than any other artist so if I was one of them I would say it is time for a change.
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Anybody reckon that somebody...ANYBODY in his band and touring circle actually peruses this forum after gigs/during/prior? Does the feedback get back? We know Macca doesn't care but the band members? Surely... After all this is the official McCartney website board... I mean...tour after tour...concert after concert...anyone think that maybe, just maybe some folks within his touring circle agree, disagree or debate our opinions privately? ...or has everyone been infected with sycophancy?
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RockyRaccoon68:
I'd be inclined to agree that Listen to What the Man Said will return for Europe.
I hope you're right. I was so excited to see 'LTWTMS' on the previous set list as it's a song I've always wanted to see live since it's one of my all time favourite songs and then disappointed it wasn't played in Osaka fearing it'd been dropped totally.
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If you guys could choose between Jet and Listen To What The Man Said, which one would you keep in the current setlist?
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5th-beatle:
If you guys could choose between Jet and Listen To What The Man Said, which one would you keep in the current setlist?
I would keep "Listen to..." one more time. I think "Jet" is a better concert song, but "Listen to" is probably a bigger hit in retrospect. But for selfish reasons, I've heard "Jet" five times...and "Listen to" only twice!
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moptops:
Anybody reckon that somebody...ANYBODY in his band and touring circle actually peruses this forum after gigs/during/prior? Does the feedback get back? We know Macca doesn't care but the band members? Surely... After all this is the official McCartney website board... I mean...tour after tour...concert after concert...anyone think that maybe, just maybe some folks within his touring circle agree, disagree or debate our opinions privately? ...or has everyone been infected with sycophancy?
"I mean...tour after tour...concert after concert...anyone think that maybe, just maybe some folks within his touring circle agree, disagree or debate our opinions privately?" I would be willing to bet the band probably agree to some degree with what some of us are saying about the setlist. That being said, they are getting paid and they play fairly often so why rock the boat. The band can play 90% of the show in their sleep so it is not a tough gig and they know the audience is going to go nuts no matter how good or bad they play. IMO - this band has become complacent due to the setlist and how long they have played together.
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5th-beatle:
If you guys could choose between Jet and Listen To What The Man Said, which one would you keep in the current setlist?
I would agree with "Wix", "Jet" is a better song but I have not heard "Listen To What The Man Said" live.
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yankeefan7:
moptops:
Anybody reckon that somebody...ANYBODY in his band and touring circle actually peruses this forum after gigs/during/prior? Does the feedback get back? We know Macca doesn't care but the band members? Surely... After all this is the official McCartney website board... I mean...tour after tour...concert after concert...anyone think that maybe, just maybe some folks within his touring circle agree, disagree or debate our opinions privately? ...or has everyone been infected with sycophancy?
"I mean...tour after tour...concert after concert...anyone think that maybe, just maybe some folks within his touring circle agree, disagree or debate our opinions privately?" I would be willing to bet the band probably agree to some degree with what some of us are saying about the setlist. That being said, they are getting paid and they play fairly often so why rock the boat. The band can play 90% of the show in their sleep so it is not a tough gig and they know the audience is going to go nuts no matter how good or bad they play. IMO - this band has become complacent due to the setlist and how long they have played together.
One of the best band experiences I've seen was St. Louis 2012 when Rusty messed up the solo on "And I Love Her". It was very entertaining and musically satisfying to watch his skills in action as he corrected his problem. After the song, Paul pointed this out to the audience and had him and the band resume from the solo spot for Rusty to replay it. I think this says three important things about Paul that relate to the setlist: 1. When Paul tours, he is a showman first. This mistake was not part of the show, but Paul tried to cover his ass and make it look like it could have been. 2. Paul is incredibly dependent on the original arrangements of these songs and expects his audience to depend on the original arrangements for nostalgic purposes. In this case in particular, it's probably because of his relationship with George Harrison. In the "Living in the Material World" documentary, Paul speaks very highly of how George brought "And I Love Her" to life with the guitar riff and solo. 3. Paul is an incredibly self-disciplined musician and he holds his band members to that same status, as he should considering what they're paid. However, I think he has reached a point in the past five years where he is lowering the value of that musicianship in exchange for dependency on the marketable music that got him where he is. In conclusion to this brilliant dissertation...Paul is aging, and as he ages he becomes more fearful of the risks he can take, and probably spends time worrying about what will be said about him when he's gone.
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moptops:
RMartinez:
I think there is a major disconnect if anyone thinks performing Hope keeps Paul relevant.
Ponder this: instead of the dreary Hope For The Future, the band pulled out even just ONE of I've Had Enough, Take It Away, Getting Closer or Silly Love Songs (or songs of that type)...would this board explode with overwhelming delight, excitement and positive posts? You bet it would!!! By Paul's own admission Hope "flopped," but he inflicted it on an audience anyway. And yet...AND YET when he grudgingly debuted Mrs Vandebilt in 08 the crowd reaction left him so amazed, he kept it in the set for years.
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WixRocks!:
yankeefan7:
moptops:
Anybody reckon that somebody...ANYBODY in his band and touring circle actually peruses this forum after gigs/during/prior? Does the feedback get back? We know Macca doesn't care but the band members? Surely... After all this is the official McCartney website board... I mean...tour after tour...concert after concert...anyone think that maybe, just maybe some folks within his touring circle agree, disagree or debate our opinions privately? ...or has everyone been infected with sycophancy?
"I mean...tour after tour...concert after concert...anyone think that maybe, just maybe some folks within his touring circle agree, disagree or debate our opinions privately?" I would be willing to bet the band probably agree to some degree with what some of us are saying about the setlist. That being said, they are getting paid and they play fairly often so why rock the boat. The band can play 90% of the show in their sleep so it is not a tough gig and they know the audience is going to go nuts no matter how good or bad they play. IMO - this band has become complacent due to the setlist and how long they have played together.
One of the best band experiences I've seen was St. Louis 2012 when Rusty messed up the solo on "And I Love Her". It was very entertaining and musically satisfying to watch his skills in action as he corrected his problem. After the song, Paul pointed this out to the audience and had him and the band resume from the solo spot for Rusty to replay it. I think this says three important things about Paul that relate to the setlist: 1. When Paul tours, he is a showman first. This mistake was not part of the show, but Paul tried to cover his ass and make it look like it could have been. 2. Paul is incredibly dependent on the original arrangements of these songs and expects his audience to depend on the original arrangements for nostalgic purposes. In this case in particular, it's probably because of his relationship with George Harrison. In the "Living in the Material World" documentary, Paul speaks very highly of how George brought "And I Love Her" to life with the guitar riff and solo. 3. Paul is an incredibly self-disciplined musician and he holds his band members to that same status, as he should considering what they're paid. However, I think he has reached a point in the past five years where he is lowering the value of that musicianship in exchange for dependency on the marketable music that got him where he is. In conclusion to this brilliant dissertation...Paul is aging, and as he ages he becomes more fearful of the risks he can take, and probably spends time worrying about what will be said about him when he's gone.
"Paul is aging, and as he ages he becomes more fearful of the risks he can take, and probably spends time worrying about what will be said about him when he's gone." Very true which is why myself and others wish he would have started taking more risks 5-10 years ago when he probably was more confident.
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WixRocks!:
yankeefan7:
moptops:
Anybody reckon that somebody...ANYBODY in his band and touring circle actually peruses this forum after gigs/during/prior? Does the feedback get back? We know Macca doesn't care but the band members? Surely... After all this is the official McCartney website board... I mean...tour after tour...concert after concert...anyone think that maybe, just maybe some folks within his touring circle agree, disagree or debate our opinions privately? ...or has everyone been infected with sycophancy?
"I mean...tour after tour...concert after concert...anyone think that maybe, just maybe some folks within his touring circle agree, disagree or debate our opinions privately?" I would be willing to bet the band probably agree to some degree with what some of us are saying about the setlist. That being said, they are getting paid and they play fairly often so why rock the boat. The band can play 90% of the show in their sleep so it is not a tough gig and they know the audience is going to go nuts no matter how good or bad they play. IMO - this band has become complacent due to the setlist and how long they have played together.
One of the best band experiences I've seen was St. Louis 2012 when Rusty messed up the solo on "And I Love Her". It was very entertaining and musically satisfying to watch his skills in action as he corrected his problem. After the song, Paul pointed this out to the audience and had him and the band resume from the solo spot for Rusty to replay it. I think this says three important things about Paul that relate to the setlist: 1. When Paul tours, he is a showman first. This mistake was not part of the show, but Paul tried to cover his ass and make it look like it could have been. 2. Paul is incredibly dependent on the original arrangements of these songs and expects his audience to depend on the original arrangements for nostalgic purposes. In this case in particular, it's probably because of his relationship with George Harrison. In the "Living in the Material World" documentary, Paul speaks very highly of how George brought "And I Love Her" to life with the guitar riff and solo. 3. Paul is an incredibly self-disciplined musician and he holds his band members to that same status, as he should considering what they're paid. However, I think he has reached a point in the past five years where he is lowering the value of that musicianship in exchange for dependency on the marketable music that got him where he is. In conclusion to this brilliant dissertation...Paul is aging, and as he ages he becomes more fearful of the risks he can take, and probably spends time worrying about what will be said about him when he's gone.
I saw that clip. Frankly, I don't think Rusty was all that thrilled about being called out like that in front of thousands of people and having to re-play the part like a scolded child. That's what I read on his face.
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RMartinez:
WixRocks!:
yankeefan7:
moptops:
Anybody reckon that somebody...ANYBODY in his band and touring circle actually peruses this forum after gigs/during/prior? Does the feedback get back? We know Macca doesn't care but the band members? Surely... After all this is the official McCartney website board... I mean...tour after tour...concert after concert...anyone think that maybe, just maybe some folks within his touring circle agree, disagree or debate our opinions privately? ...or has everyone been infected with sycophancy?
"I mean...tour after tour...concert after concert...anyone think that maybe, just maybe some folks within his touring circle agree, disagree or debate our opinions privately?" I would be willing to bet the band probably agree to some degree with what some of us are saying about the setlist. That being said, they are getting paid and they play fairly often so why rock the boat. The band can play 90% of the show in their sleep so it is not a tough gig and they know the audience is going to go nuts no matter how good or bad they play. IMO - this band has become complacent due to the setlist and how long they have played together.
One of the best band experiences I've seen was St. Louis 2012 when Rusty messed up the solo on "And I Love Her". It was very entertaining and musically satisfying to watch his skills in action as he corrected his problem. After the song, Paul pointed this out to the audience and had him and the band resume from the solo spot for Rusty to replay it. I think this says three important things about Paul that relate to the setlist: 1. When Paul tours, he is a showman first. This mistake was not part of the show, but Paul tried to cover his ass and make it look like it could have been. 2. Paul is incredibly dependent on the original arrangements of these songs and expects his audience to depend on the original arrangements for nostalgic purposes. In this case in particular, it's probably because of his relationship with George Harrison. In the "Living in the Material World" documentary, Paul speaks very highly of how George brought "And I Love Her" to life with the guitar riff and solo. 3. Paul is an incredibly self-disciplined musician and he holds his band members to that same status, as he should considering what they're paid. However, I think he has reached a point in the past five years where he is lowering the value of that musicianship in exchange for dependency on the marketable music that got him where he is. In conclusion to this brilliant dissertation...Paul is aging, and as he ages he becomes more fearful of the risks he can take, and probably spends time worrying about what will be said about him when he's gone.
I saw that clip. Frankly, I don't think Rusty was all that thrilled about being called out like that in front of thousands of people and having to re-play the part like a scolded child. That's what I read on his face.
IMO - that was pretty unprofessional of Mr. McCartney.
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When I saw it, I was reminded of The Space Within Us DVD when Abe would always start one last chorus of "I'll Follow The Sun" and Paul would cut hiim off and throw his hands in the air and roll his eyes...then he'd start the last chorus.
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WixRocks!:
When I saw it, I was reminded of The Space Within Us DVD when Abe would always start one last chorus of "I'll Follow The Sun" and Paul would cut hiim off and throw his hands in the air and roll his eyes...then he'd start the last chorus.
Yeah, but wasn't that part of the act? Not trying to be difficult, but that time with Rusty was kind of weird. To me, at least.
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RMartinez:
WixRocks!:
When I saw it, I was reminded of The Space Within Us DVD when Abe would always start one last chorus of "I'll Follow The Sun" and Paul would cut hiim off and throw his hands in the air and roll his eyes...then he'd start the last chorus.
Yeah, but wasn't that part of the act? Not trying to be difficult, but that time with Rusty was kind of weird. To me, at least.
Yes, that's what I'm trying to draw together here. Maybe it's a stretch, but I think Paul was depending on his shamltzy grandfather of the band routine with Rusty that night, except he didn't play it off as well as Abe did.
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WixRocks!:
RMartinez:
WixRocks!:
When I saw it, I was reminded of The Space Within Us DVD when Abe would always start one last chorus of "I'll Follow The Sun" and Paul would cut hiim off and throw his hands in the air and roll his eyes...then he'd start the last chorus.
Yeah, but wasn't that part of the act? Not trying to be difficult, but that time with Rusty was kind of weird. To me, at least.
Yes, that's what I'm trying to draw together here. Maybe it's a stretch, but I think Paul was depending on his shamltzy grandfather of the band routine with Rusty that night, except he didn't play it off as well as Abe did.
Yeah, I can see that. On the other hand, it may have fed into the "Paul as difficult and controlling" and that is also how it kind of came off. But yes, I also saw that he was trying to make light of it. But any amateur performer knows when a mistake is made on stage, you smile, wink, and keep moving forward! Don't point it out to the audience. I think Paul invented that move with John Lennon!
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RMartinez:
WixRocks!:
RMartinez:
WixRocks!:
When I saw it, I was reminded of The Space Within Us DVD when Abe would always start one last chorus of "I'll Follow The Sun" and Paul would cut hiim off and throw his hands in the air and roll his eyes...then he'd start the last chorus.
Yeah, but wasn't that part of the act? Not trying to be difficult, but that time with Rusty was kind of weird. To me, at least.
Yes, that's what I'm trying to draw together here. Maybe it's a stretch, but I think Paul was depending on his shamltzy grandfather of the band routine with Rusty that night, except he didn't play it off as well as Abe did.
Yeah, I can see that. On the other hand, it may have fed into the "Paul as difficult and controlling" and that is also how it kind of came off. But yes, I also saw that he was trying to make light of it. But any amateur performer knows when a mistake is made on stage, you smile, wink, and keep moving forward! Don't point it out to the audience. I think Paul invented that move with John Lennon!
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"I'll play whatever you want me to play...or I won't play at all. Whatever it is makes you happy..."
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The phrase "the hits" is bandied about quite a bit on this thread and Paul in the past has talked about playing "the hits" too, why are so many missing then? Let's look at the top twenty hits(UK/US) Paul has not played live ever or for quite awhile! If he's true to his word we'd have a number from this list played live, it fits the criteria perfectly! UNCLE ALBERT/ADMIRAL HALSEY GIVE IRELAND BACK TO THE IRISH MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB HELEN WHEELS SILLY LOVE SONGS GIRL'S SCHOOL WITH A LITTLE LUCK GOODNIGHT TONIGHT GETTING CLOSER WATERFALLS TAKE IT AWAY PIPES OF PEACE NO MORE LONELY NIGHTS SPIES LIKE US ONCE UPON A LONG AGO MY BRAVE FACE THIS ONE HOPE OF DELIVERANCE YOUNG BOY FINE LINE
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BOYCIE:
The phrase "the hits" is bandied about quite a bit on this thread and Paul in the past has talked about playing "the hits" too, why are so many missing then? Let's look at the top twenty hits(UK/US) Paul has not played live ever or for quite awhile! If he's true to his word we'd have a number from this list played live, it fits the criteria perfectly! UNCLE ALBERT/ADMIRAL HALSEY GIVE IRELAND BACK TO THE IRISH MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB HELEN WHEELS SILLY LOVE SONGS GIRL'S SCHOOL WITH A LITTLE LUCK GOODNIGHT TONIGHT GETTING CLOSER WATERFALLS TAKE IT AWAY PIPES OF PEACE NO MORE LONELY NIGHTS SPIES LIKE US ONCE UPON A LONG AGO MY BRAVE FACE THIS ONE HOPE OF DELIVERANCE YOUNG BOY FINE LINE
Excellent point James, I would be happy to hear just one of those! But can Paul take the time to rehearse or even acknowledge them now.