Set List critique
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B J Conlee:
Well, just read the Missoula MT Review of last night's show. Predictably, the review was very favorable. The last line read like, "it will be a long time when Montana will experience standing ovations like we saw last night. I'm paraphrasing but that was the meaning. I do have to give Macca a lot of credit relative to his very predictable shows. Even though Paul has sang many of the songs in concert a thousand times, he still manages to sing the songs as though it is the first time. I saw a couple of the U-tube clips and that was evidenced. Not sure how he can do it. I think it boils down to his love of his audience. If he senses that they are having a great time, then it is no effort for him to do the same. Obviously, this was a show where 95% of the crowd had probably never seen Paul, so for them it was an experience of a lifetime. The review sort of indicated this. From that point of view it is hard to criticize Paul too much. That's not to say that what many of us "true" fans are saying is wrong. It is hard for us to be enthusiastic about a setlist where we have heard the majority of songs just too many times. Even on the Beatle songs, I would much rather hear "I will" or "Two of Us" much more than Yesterday or Eleanor Rigby any day. I know that might be heresy to many but you can only hear even a great song so many times. Don't know how Paul can sing the same songs so many times but to his credit, he surely pleases the casual Beatle and Paul fans.
Don't give Macca too much credit for singing these songs like it is the first time. There are many Broadway musical performers who do 8 shows a week and stay in a role for a year that do the same thing for a lot less money. In other words, it is called being a professional. Quick question. Do you really think these first timers could tell if Mr. McCartney is going through the motions? They are probably so wrapped up in awe of seeing him and hearing those songs that they would have no idea IMO.
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Frank:
SoilyCompany76:
I wouldn't ever count on Ebony and Ivory ever coming into the set. To be honest, it wouldn't make a difference to me if it did or not. Most people consider this song as well as Silly Love Songs, as the article stated, as the downfall of Paul's solo career. I love Paul's solo career in fact the mass majority of my top 100 songs is composed of songs from Paul's solo career. The thing is the vast majority of people in this world consider Paul's solo carrer garbage as a whole because of those few mess ups he had that unfourtonently did good. In fact I got in to it with a guy who was saying Wings was s*** because of Linda and those goofy moments he had. It's shameful because the bulk of what he did after The Beatles was great and in fact better than The Beatles at times. There are so many people who rely on top 40 charts to dictate what music is considered good or not, and I hate to say it, but these people, the majority of those who inhabit this world, are the reasons we'll never see solo rarities live. Back on topic, the damaged reputation songs like E&I have will probably prevent it from ever being in the main set. These factors contributed to the solo songs being considered in eyes of the vast majority as the "low points". Sure people would know E&I and SLS, but the sad part is they'll draw in ridicule to the shows amongst critics which is about the only thing that Paul will ever listen to. He might as well just do a "Hey Jude" with a two and a half hours of "Na Na Na". There is only one place that will cheer for these songs, Mexico/Latin America/Central America. They will literally cheer if Paul throws up on the crowd..
I truly disagree : It's Not like Critics hate SOS and E&I but Love obladi & all together now. Critics also slammed hihihi. Dance tonight which he kept on the setlist for a Long time hardly has a claim to be a more substantial song than SOS. Finally Ebony was on the setlist of the Flowers tour. These Are choices Paul himself makes. Why is Anybodys guess. Same thing goes for the unchanging setlist since he resumed touring in July
Exactly, like the critics loved "C-Moon" which has been done on several tours - lol
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forget 64:
RMartinez:
To me, All Together Now sounds like a children's song. A good one. But still, nothing I need to travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of dollars to hear live. When do I go home and say, " I really want to hear All Together Now!" Never. That's when.
Is it one of his best songs, no I agree with that. . Is it enjoyable for most of the crowd including myself, yes at least at the concerts I've been to. Does it seem like he enjoys playing it, definitely. That was my point. No I don't go home either saying I really want to hear All Together Now I along with the rest have my favorites, that I would rather hear. What songs would you travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of dollars to hear live?
I would pay the money to hear songs like "Little Willow", "Take It Away", "Dance Til We're High", "Promise To You Girl", "Too Much Rain, "Soily", House of Wax", "That Was Me", "Run Devil Run". "Silly Love Songs", "Ebony and Ivory", "My Brave Face" etc. - lol
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This quote from an article about the Missoula show kinda says it all, once again: "It was like a Beatles concert and he was the star. It was so awesome." The other one I absolutely hate, and see all of the time, is: "Now I've seen a Beatle; cross that off my bucket list."
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forget 64:
RMartinez:
To me, All Together Now sounds like a children's song. A good one. But still, nothing I need to travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of dollars to hear live. When do I go home and say, " I really want to hear All Together Now!" Never. That's when.
Is it one of his best songs, no I agree with that. . Is it enjoyable for most of the crowd including myself, yes at least at the concerts I've been to. Does it seem like he enjoys playing it, definitely. That was my point. No I don't go home either saying I really want to hear All Together Now I along with the rest have my favorites, that I would rather hear. What songs would you travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of dollars to hear live?
Good question! Oh Darling! You Won't See Me Martha My Dear Junk Dear Boy Back Seat Of My Car Tomorrow Some People Never Know Wild Life The Mess Big Barn Bed Little Lamb Dragonfly Love In Song Warm and Beautiful London Town Café On The Left Bank Getting Closer Arrow Through Me Winter Rose-Love Wake I would break my self-imposed exile from McCartney concerts in other cities and pay to see a show with these songs.
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Thisbe211:
This quote from an article about the Missoula show kinda says it all, once again: "It was like a Beatles concert and he was the star. It was so awesome." The other one I absolutely hate, and see all of the time, is: "Now I've seen a Beatle; cross that off my bucket list."
And Paul plays right into it.
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"It was like a Beatles concert and he was the star. It was so awesome." Isn't this what McCartney wants? Isn't this what he has been selling for years? Well, the general public is getting that idea. Even some people on this board. That McCartney was the Beatles. That he was the star of the Beatles. Which isn't true.
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Thisbe211:
This quote from an article about the Missoula show kinda says it all, once again: "It was like a Beatles concert and he was the star. It was so awesome." The other one I absolutely hate, and see all of the time, is: "Now I've seen a Beatle; cross that off my bucket list."
Geez. I think they need to put on ticket that it is a evening with Paul McCartney Of The Beatles" - lol.
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RMartinez:
To me, All Together Now sounds like a children's song. A good one. But still, nothing I need to travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of dollars to hear live. When do I go home and say, " I really want to hear All Together Now!" Never. That's when.
Maybe so. But to me, it's one of the highlights of the current tour. I enjoyed it much more than a Hey Jude or Let it Be, simply because they are starting to go stale.
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Maccafan82:
RMartinez:
To me, All Together Now sounds like a children's song. A good one. But still, nothing I need to travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of dollars to hear live. When do I go home and say, " I really want to hear All Together Now!" Never. That's when.
Maybe so. But to me, it's one of the highlights of the current tour. I enjoyed it much more than a Hey Jude or Let it Be, simply because they are starting to go stale.
That's cool. I've never heard Mull of Kintyre live, so that is one I would prefer. But I believe you when you say All Together Now is a crowd pleaser.
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yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
Well, just read the Missoula MT Review of last night's show. Predictably, the review was very favorable. The last line read like, "it will be a long time when Montana will experience standing ovations like we saw last night. I'm paraphrasing but that was the meaning. I do have to give Macca a lot of credit relative to his very predictable shows. Even though Paul has sang many of the songs in concert a thousand times, he still manages to sing the songs as though it is the first time. I saw a couple of the U-tube clips and that was evidenced. Not sure how he can do it. I think it boils down to his love of his audience. If he senses that they are having a great time, then it is no effort for him to do the same. Obviously, this was a show where 95% of the crowd had probably never seen Paul, so for them it was an experience of a lifetime. The review sort of indicated this. From that point of view it is hard to criticize Paul too much. That's not to say that what many of us "true" fans are saying is wrong. It is hard for us to be enthusiastic about a setlist where we have heard the majority of songs just too many times. Even on the Beatle songs, I would much rather hear "I will" or "Two of Us" much more than Yesterday or Eleanor Rigby any day. I know that might be heresy to many but you can only hear even a great song so many times. Don't know how Paul can sing the same songs so many times but to his credit, he surely pleases the casual Beatle and Paul fans.
Don't give Macca too much credit for singing these songs like it is the first time. There are many Broadway musical performers who do 8 shows a week and stay in a role for a year that do the same thing for a lot less money. In other words, it is called being a professional. Quick question. Do you really think these first timers could tell if Mr. McCartney is going through the motions? They are probably so wrapped up in awe of seeing him and hearing those songs that they would have no idea IMO.
Yankeefan, Hear what you are saying. Still, for the first timers and casual Beatle fans, we have to give him credit...he puts on a hell of a good show and gives them their money's worth. The reactions from what I see on U-tube and the post show reviews certainly show that Paul is not of a performer that is going through the motions. A couple of recent reviews I've just read single out Bob Dylan as an artist that at this point is going through the motions. The reviewers point out that Paul is the anti Bob Dylan. I get back to the fact that Paul loves the audience and the adoration so much. For that reason, I don't see him in any way going through the motions. But for people like you and me, it is no longer our cup of tea and I understand that also. PS Good to see that your Yankee's still have a shot. I'm a Phillies fan and they need to gut the team at this point.
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RMartinez:
"It was like a Beatles concert and he was the star. It was so awesome." Isn't this what McCartney wants? Isn't this what he has been selling for years? Well, the general public is getting that idea. Even some people on this board. That McCartney was the Beatles. That he was the star of the Beatles. Which isn't true.
___________________________________________________ RMartinez, I enjoy your posts but I have to disagree with the above. While I am in the camp that wants Paul to give a far more diverse Setlist (like you I am a harcore Macca fan), I don't think in any way that Paul is trying to say that "he was the Beatles". Quite to the contrary, he gives all the other Beatles (including Ringo) a lot of credit including the continuous tributes. He is just looking at the fact that the overwhelming majority of people attending his shows are casual Beatls fans. Because so many of the Beatle songs are much more recognized by these casual Beatle fans, he tailers his show and Setlist to the most famous Songs. That is all it is. Paul, in my opinion, is not trying to be "the Beatles". He is however, more than anyone on the planet, doing more to increase the Beatles legacy than anyone. That's because he tours all over the world. He just loves it. Ringo tours a lot too but doesn't have the songwriting clout of Paul. Even if John and George were alive, neither one liked touring like Paul. It is just a fact. Beatle fans are lucky that Paul is still alive and healthy.
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B J Conlee:
RMartinez:
"It was like a Beatles concert and he was the star. It was so awesome." Isn't this what McCartney wants? Isn't this what he has been selling for years? Well, the general public is getting that idea. Even some people on this board. That McCartney was the Beatles. That he was the star of the Beatles. Which isn't true.
___________________________________________________ RMartinez, I enjoy your posts but I have to disagree with the above. While I am in the camp that wants Paul to give a far more diverse Setlist (like you I am a harcore Macca fan), I don't think in any way that Paul is trying to say that "he was the Beatles". Quite to the contrary, he gives all the other Beatles (including Ringo) a lot of credit including the continuous tributes. He is just looking at the fact that the overwhelming majority of people attending his shows are casual Beatls fans. Because so many of the Beatle songs are much more recognized by these casual Beatle fans, he tailers his show and Setlist to the most famous Songs. That is all it is. Paul, in my opinion, is not trying to be "the Beatles". He is however, more than anyone on the planet, doing more to increase the Beatles legacy than anyone. That's because he tours all over the world. He just loves it. Ringo tours a lot too but doesn't have the songwriting clout of Paul. Even if John and George were alive, neither one liked touring like Paul. It is just a fact. Beatle fans are lucky that Paul is still alive and healthy.
Fair enough!
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RMartinez:
B J Conlee:
RMartinez:
"It was like a Beatles concert and he was the star. It was so awesome." Isn't this what McCartney wants? Isn't this what he has been selling for years? Well, the general public is getting that idea. Even some people on this board. That McCartney was the Beatles. That he was the star of the Beatles. Which isn't true.
___________________________________________________ RMartinez, I enjoy your posts but I have to disagree with the above. While I am in the camp that wants Paul to give a far more diverse Setlist (like you I am a harcore Macca fan), I don't think in any way that Paul is trying to say that "he was the Beatles". Quite to the contrary, he gives all the other Beatles (including Ringo) a lot of credit including the continuous tributes. He is just looking at the fact that the overwhelming majority of people attending his shows are casual Beatls fans. Because so many of the Beatle songs are much more recognized by these casual Beatle fans, he tailers his show and Setlist to the most famous Songs. That is all it is. Paul, in my opinion, is not trying to be "the Beatles". He is however, more than anyone on the planet, doing more to increase the Beatles legacy than anyone. That's because he tours all over the world. He just loves it. Ringo tours a lot too but doesn't have the songwriting clout of Paul. Even if John and George were alive, neither one liked touring like Paul. It is just a fact. Beatle fans are lucky that Paul is still alive and healthy.
Fair enough!
_______________ No problem RM I 100% agree with you on the set list. Paul is doing in my opinion a disservice to his entire career. Where's the balance? It's not the kind of setlist at this stage I want to see. I personally don't want to hear the same songs over and over again.
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RMartinez:
Maccafan82:
RMartinez:
To me, All Together Now sounds like a children's song. A good one. But still, nothing I need to travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of dollars to hear live. When do I go home and say, " I really want to hear All Together Now!" Never. That's when.
Maybe so. But to me, it's one of the highlights of the current tour. I enjoyed it much more than a Hey Jude or Let it Be, simply because they are starting to go stale.
That's cool. I've never heard Mull of Kintyre live, so that is one I would prefer. But I believe you when you say All Together Now is a crowd pleaser.
Yes, Mull of Kintyre is on my Paul live bucket list. Next time he swings into Canada, I'm going. No excuses.
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Maccafan82:
RMartinez:
Maccafan82:
RMartinez:
To me, All Together Now sounds like a children's song. A good one. But still, nothing I need to travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of dollars to hear live. When do I go home and say, " I really want to hear All Together Now!" Never. That's when.
Maybe so. But to me, it's one of the highlights of the current tour. I enjoyed it much more than a Hey Jude or Let it Be, simply because they are starting to go stale.
That's cool. I've never heard Mull of Kintyre live, so that is one I would prefer. But I believe you when you say All Together Now is a crowd pleaser.
Yes, Mull of Kintyre is on my Paul live bucket list. Next time he swings into Canada, I'm going. No excuses.
Seeing him perform "Mull of Kintyre" was exactly why I went to Vancouver a couple of years ago.
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B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
Well, just read the Missoula MT Review of last night's show. Predictably, the review was very favorable. The last line read like, "it will be a long time when Montana will experience standing ovations like we saw last night. I'm paraphrasing but that was the meaning. I do have to give Macca a lot of credit relative to his very predictable shows. Even though Paul has sang many of the songs in concert a thousand times, he still manages to sing the songs as though it is the first time. I saw a couple of the U-tube clips and that was evidenced. Not sure how he can do it. I think it boils down to his love of his audience. If he senses that they are having a great time, then it is no effort for him to do the same. Obviously, this was a show where 95% of the crowd had probably never seen Paul, so for them it was an experience of a lifetime. The review sort of indicated this. From that point of view it is hard to criticize Paul too much. That's not to say that what many of us "true" fans are saying is wrong. It is hard for us to be enthusiastic about a setlist where we have heard the majority of songs just too many times. Even on the Beatle songs, I would much rather hear "I will" or "Two of Us" much more than Yesterday or Eleanor Rigby any day. I know that might be heresy to many but you can only hear even a great song so many times. Don't know how Paul can sing the same songs so many times but to his credit, he surely pleases the casual Beatle and Paul fans.
Don't give Macca too much credit for singing these songs like it is the first time. There are many Broadway musical performers who do 8 shows a week and stay in a role for a year that do the same thing for a lot less money. In other words, it is called being a professional. Quick question. Do you really think these first timers could tell if Mr. McCartney is going through the motions? They are probably so wrapped up in awe of seeing him and hearing those songs that they would have no idea IMO.
Yankeefan, Hear what you are saying. Still, for the first timers and casual Beatle fans, we have to give him credit...he puts on a hell of a good show and gives them their money's worth. The reactions from what I see on U-tube and the post show reviews certainly show that Paul is not of a performer that is going through the motions. A couple of recent reviews I've just read single out Bob Dylan as an artist that at this point is going through the motions. The reviewers point out that Paul is the anti Bob Dylan. I get back to the fact that Paul loves the audience and the adoration so much. For that reason, I don't see him in any way going through the motions. But for people like you and me, it is no longer our cup of tea and I understand that also. PS Good to see that your Yankee's still have a shot. I'm a Phillies fan and they need to gut the team at this point.
Without a doubt, he puts on great show which is why I have seen him more than any other performer. It is just now I need more of his total career in concert to shell out the big bucks - lol, As for Yankees, glad they still have a chance especially for Jeter in his last year. Going to see him play one last time in September.
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Sgt._Pepper:
Maccafan82:
RMartinez:
Maccafan82:
RMartinez:
To me, All Together Now sounds like a children's song. A good one. But still, nothing I need to travel hundreds of miles and pay hundreds of dollars to hear live. When do I go home and say, " I really want to hear All Together Now!" Never. That's when.
Maybe so. But to me, it's one of the highlights of the current tour. I enjoyed it much more than a Hey Jude or Let it Be, simply because they are starting to go stale.
That's cool. I've never heard Mull of Kintyre live, so that is one I would prefer. But I believe you when you say All Together Now is a crowd pleaser.
Yes, Mull of Kintyre is on my Paul live bucket list. Next time he swings into Canada, I'm going. No excuses.
Seeing him perform "Mull of Kintyre" was exactly why I went to Vancouver a couple of years ago.
I think he should play it all the time. It was a huge world wide hit.
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KingMacca:
WixRocks!:
KingMacca:
WixRocks!:
My Salamander:
With the At The Speed Of Sound remaster hitting in September wonder if by some miracle Paul might shock everyone in the 2nd leg of the tour by getting out the Rickenbacker for just one song - Silly Love Songs. If he did that (even with no other changes in the setlist), it would be truly mindblowing I don't think he realizes how incredible that would be as surprise in the set list. We can only dare to wish and dream on that one!!
If history is of any use, it tells us that Paul has completely ignored the remasters in regards to tailoring his show in anyway whatsoever around them.
Well, Wings Over America did help the 2013 version of "Out There".
How so?
Hi Hi Hi, Man Said...
Plus, he brought back "Mrs. Vandebilt" and "Nineteen Hundred And Eighty-Five" around the "Band On The Run" reissue.
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They were already part of the show in 2010, weren't they?