Set List critique
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Frank:
thenightfish:
Just reading some of the tweets from Minne tonight..stuff like "just heard Blackbird I can die now" and so many people seeing him for the first time, he is awesome, a legend, etc.etc. they are there to see Beatle Paul and he is giving them what they want.
You`re absolutely right : he`s giving the first- or second timers what they want. Strangely by doing so he`s rubbishing his claim to be a contemporary artist. Remember how often he turned down lifetime achievment awards (e.g. NME) on the grounds that he`s "still in the game". Well I`m truly sorry that he thinks (roughly) that his post - 76 output is s***, that there`s not a single song written in the 30 year period between `82 and 2012 that`s worth playing in a 37 song set or that he can`t be bothered to at least rotate a couple of classics from his pre - s*** period. On the other hand I´m not sorry at all to have spent money on his s***-music like London Town, BTTE, Flaming Pie, Driving Rain, Chaos etc. Because I can now save money by skipping his concerts : jeez have you seen those pyros that come with Live and let die...or the men and the girls in the Hey Jude singalong or have you had that feeling yet that "we`re gonna have a bit of fun tonight"...oh and Jimi Hendrix played Sgt. Pepper ON THE DAY of its release. And Paul plays Yesterday EVER SINCE its release. George Harrison (I think in 93) summed it up nicely : When asked whether there was a chance of the remaining Beatles ever playing live again he merely stated "Why? Paul`s touring and doing all that"
Yeah & when you listen or watch older Paul interviews he always says he didn't want to play the same thing over & over...they want to move forward. : gimme a break. BUT yep...there are enough 1st timers out there to last him the rest of his life. We also love you for the decades that you dismiss Paul.
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Ane:
RMartinez:
Ane:
George's set lists were just as Beatles heavy as Paul's were, so kind of hypocritical and lame of him.
The 1974 set list had about 24 songs, 4 were Beatle songs, of which he wrote three, In My Life being the only Lennon and McCartney song. In 1991 his set lis was about 19 songs, 8 of which were songs he wrote while with the Beatles. He played no Lennon and McCartney songs on that tour. Concert for Bangladesh was not Beatles heavy. George never toured on the scale McCartney has as a solo artist, playing Beatles songs to the extend McCartney has since 1989. So you are wrong.
If we count the 70's, then George's set lists were more Beatles heavy than Paul's, especially since Paul's usually played more songs. George's set at The Concert For Bangladesh was more Beatles heavy than Paul's shows in the same period. On the 1991 tour George's set list was pretty much 50% Beatles (he played Roll Over Beethoven because of the Beatles connection and nothing else), which is more than Paul's '89 tour and about the same as Paul's '93 tour. My point is not to defend that Paul plays so many Beatles songs, but George came off as a major hypocrite when he slagged off Paul for relying too much on his Beatles past. This is the guy who wrote and released Here Comes To Moon, This Guitar (Can't Keep from Crying), When We Was Fab and All Those Years Ago, FFS. He just wasn't one to talk.
See below, think you are wrong. Eight out of the 12 songs were from his solo career in 1974 tour. Concert For Bangla Desh, he played two Beatle songs out of the seven that concert. 1974 Dark Horse tour Setlist Dec 19,20, New York City Note * These are the George Harrison songs only Hari's On Tour Something - Beatle In My Life - Beatle Sue Me Sue You Blues For You Blue - Beatle Give Me Love Soundstage Of Mine Maya Love Dark Horse While My Guitar Gently Weeps - Beatle What Is Life My Sweet Lord Concert For Bangla Desh Note* George Harrison songs only "Wah-Wah" " My Sweet Lord" "Awaiting on You All" "Beware of Darkness" "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" "Something" "Bangla Desh"
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oobu24:
Frank:
thenightfish:
Just reading some of the tweets from Minne tonight..stuff like "just heard Blackbird I can die now" and so many people seeing him for the first time, he is awesome, a legend, etc.etc. they are there to see Beatle Paul and he is giving them what they want.
You`re absolutely right : he`s giving the first- or second timers what they want. Strangely by doing so he`s rubbishing his claim to be a contemporary artist. Remember how often he turned down lifetime achievment awards (e.g. NME) on the grounds that he`s "still in the game". Well I`m truly sorry that he thinks (roughly) that his post - 76 output is s***, that there`s not a single song written in the 30 year period between `82 and 2012 that`s worth playing in a 37 song set or that he can`t be bothered to at least rotate a couple of classics from his pre - s*** period. On the other hand I´m not sorry at all to have spent money on his s***-music like London Town, BTTE, Flaming Pie, Driving Rain, Chaos etc. Because I can now save money by skipping his concerts : jeez have you seen those pyros that come with Live and let die...or the men and the girls in the Hey Jude singalong or have you had that feeling yet that "we`re gonna have a bit of fun tonight"...oh and Jimi Hendrix played Sgt. Pepper ON THE DAY of its release. And Paul plays Yesterday EVER SINCE its release. George Harrison (I think in 93) summed it up nicely : When asked whether there was a chance of the remaining Beatles ever playing live again he merely stated "Why? Paul`s touring and doing all that"
Yeah & when you listen or watch older Paul interviews he always says he didn't want to play the same thing over & over...they want to move forward. : gimme a break. BUT yep...there are enough 1st timers out there to last him the rest of his life. We also love you for the decades that you dismiss Paul.
Go back to the 1989 tour and Mr. McCartney said he opened with new songs from FITD because he wanted audiences to think he was still a relevant artist - lol
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RMartinez:
yankeefan7:
Frank:
RMartinez:
Ane:
George's set lists were just as Beatles heavy as Paul's were, so kind of hypocritical and lame of him.
The 1974 set list had about 24 songs, 4 were Beatle songs, of which he wrote three, In My Life being the only Lennon and McCartney song. In 1991 his set lis was about 19 songs, 8 of which were songs he wrote while with the Beatles. He played no Lennon and McCartney songs on that tour. Concert for Bangladesh was not Beatles heavy. George never toured on the scale McCartney has as a solo artist, playing Beatles songs to the extend McCartney has since 1989. So you are wrong.
To sum it up : George played live as George Harrison, Paul plays live as Beatle Paul. Though to be fair : Paul has a few more Beatles songs people might want to hear. And yet : no reason for the Beatles to make up 2/3 of his setlist and the remaining 4 decades squeezed into 1/3 (...ok 3 decades missing completely)
IMO - If Mr. Lennon had lived longer and toured, I am quite sure that his set list would not have been Beatle heavy. Also, it would be better if he would even mix up the 1/3 more. Does anybody really think the first timers would care if he eliminated "My Valentine", "Let Me Roll It",and "Another Day". I am sure these same first timers are not thinking before the concert that they hope he plays "All Together Now" or "Benefit For Mr. Kite" - lol.
I agree on all points. Lennon would maybe revisit some of his great Beatle work, like Harrison did, ie, I Am The Walrus, Revolution, Come Together. But he would never have done a setlist that is 63% Beatles songs. It is unlikely he would have done Paul tunes either, like Paperback Writer or When I'm 64. And yes, first timers couldn't care less about Another Day or My Valentine. Too Many People is MUCH more upbeat and recognizable. Why not bring it back??
Would enjoy "Too Many People" or how about something different from RAM like "Dear Boy".
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Frank:
thenightfish:
Just reading some of the tweets from Minne tonight..stuff like "just heard Blackbird I can die now" and so many people seeing him for the first time, he is awesome, a legend, etc.etc. they are there to see Beatle Paul and he is giving them what they want.
You`re absolutely right : he`s giving the first- or second timers what they want. Strangely by doing so he`s rubbishing his claim to be a contemporary artist. Remember how often he turned down lifetime achievment awards (e.g. NME) on the grounds that he`s "still in the game". Well I`m truly sorry that he thinks (roughly) that his post - 76 output is s***, that there`s not a single song written in the 30 year period between `82 and 2012 that`s worth playing in a 37 song set or that he can`t be bothered to at least rotate a couple of classics from his pre - s*** period. On the other hand I´m not sorry at all to have spent money on his s***-music like London Town, BTTE, Flaming Pie, Driving Rain, Chaos etc. Because I can now save money by skipping his concerts : jeez have you seen those pyros that come with Live and let die...or the men and the girls in the Hey Jude singalong or have you had that feeling yet that "we`re gonna have a bit of fun tonight"...oh and Jimi Hendrix played Sgt. Pepper ON THE DAY of its release. And Paul plays Yesterday EVER SINCE its release. George Harrison (I think in 93) summed it up nicely : When asked whether there was a chance of the remaining Beatles ever playing live again he merely stated "Why? Paul`s touring and doing all that"
You forgot the George loved the ukuele story - lol.
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Ane:
RMartinez:
Ane:
George's set lists were just as Beatles heavy as Paul's were, so kind of hypocritical and lame of him.
The 1974 set list had about 24 songs, 4 were Beatle songs, of which he wrote three, In My Life being the only Lennon and McCartney song. In 1991 his set lis was about 19 songs, 8 of which were songs he wrote while with the Beatles. He played no Lennon and McCartney songs on that tour. Concert for Bangladesh was not Beatles heavy. George never toured on the scale McCartney has as a solo artist, playing Beatles songs to the extend McCartney has since 1989. So you are wrong.
... but George came off as a major hypocrite when he slagged off Paul for relying too much on his Beatles past. This is the guy who wrote and released Here Comes To Moon, This Guitar (Can't Keep from Crying), When We Was Fab and All Those Years Ago, FFS. He just wasn't one to talk.
That's not the reading I get: It's OK to write songs that echo one's earlier life. Now if George had performed "Do You Want To Know A Secret" at the same, tired regularity that Paul still performs "All My Loving," I'd agree with you a bit more.
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For the record: I give Paul points for performing "On My Way To Work" last night.
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audi:
For the record: I give Paul points for performing "On My Way To Work" last night.
At the sound check, right? I kind of wish fans could buy a ticket JUST for the sound check at a reasonable price. It is like the concert for hard core fans the main show should be!! Maybe that is what he should do. Make the sound check a 15 song concert of deep cuts and charge $300 to $500 a ticket, and top it off at 1,000 people per sound check.
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RMartinez:
audi:
For the record: I give Paul points for performing "On My Way To Work" last night.
At the sound check, right? I kind of wish fans could buy a ticket JUST for the sound check at a reasonable price. It is like the concert for hard core fans the main show should be!! Maybe that is what he should do. Make the sound check a 15 song concert of deep cuts and charge $300 to $500 a ticket, and top it off at 1,000 people per sound check.
Oh, it was at soundcheck only? Wh'oops! Bummer.
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yankeefan7:
See below, think you are wrong. Eight out of the 12 songs were from his solo career in 1974 tour. Concert For Bangla Desh, he played two Beatle songs out of the seven that concert. 1974 Dark Horse tour Setlist Dec 19,20, New York City Note * These are the George Harrison songs only Hari's On Tour Something - Beatle In My Life - Beatle Sue Me Sue You Blues For You Blue - Beatle Give Me Love Soundstage Of Mine Maya Love Dark Horse While My Guitar Gently Weeps - Beatle What Is Life My Sweet Lord Concert For Bangla Desh Note* George Harrison songs only "Wah-Wah" " My Sweet Lord" "Awaiting on You All" "Beware of Darkness" "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" "Something" "Bangla Desh"
George played three classic Beatles songs at the Concert of Bangladesh, how many did Paul play when he toured Europe in the early 70's? Zero (except for covering Long Tall Sally). And on the Wings Over America tour, Paul only played five Beatles songs... But I'm not really comparing those tours, I'm comparing George's 1991 tour to Paul's tours in the late 80's and early 90's and he relied on his past as a Beatle just like Paul did.
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RMartinez:
5th-beatle:
I believe the best chances to see something different in the setlist are the shows in San Francisco, San Antonio and Lubbock.
Good point. San Francisco will certainly get SOMETHING different. Something played at the last Beatles concert, or San Francisco Bay. San Antonio, probably since it is a benefit, though who knows what it will be. Lubbock, a Buddy Holly song.
That's what I was thinking.
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Not exactly high expectations, there.
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RMartinez:
audi:
For the record: I give Paul points for performing "On My Way To Work" last night.
At the sound check, right? I kind of wish fans could buy a ticket JUST for the sound check at a reasonable price. It is like the concert for hard core fans the main show should be!! Maybe that is what he should do. Make the sound check a 15 song concert of deep cuts and charge $300 to $500 a ticket, and top it off at 1,000 people per sound check.
A sound check is a sound check. It isn't the concert and it isn't meant to be. What would be the point of that! :
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Does anybody remember Clapton's Nothin' But The Blues tour? I saw it in '94. No "Layla." No "Cocaine." No "Wonderful Tonight." No "Tears In Heaven." It was a rousing success. Food for thought.
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beatlesfanrandy:
RMartinez:
audi:
For the record: I give Paul points for performing "On My Way To Work" last night.
At the sound check, right? I kind of wish fans could buy a ticket JUST for the sound check at a reasonable price. It is like the concert for hard core fans the main show should be!! Maybe that is what he should do. Make the sound check a 15 song concert of deep cuts and charge $300 to $500 a ticket, and top it off at 1,000 people per sound check.
A sound check is a sound check. It isn't the concert and it isn't meant to be. What would be the point of that! :
I think "RMartinez" is on-track. I think Paul deliberately keeps the rare gems exclusive to the soundchecks for those who paid top-dollar to see it.
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audi:
beatlesfanrandy:
RMartinez:
audi:
For the record: I give Paul points for performing "On My Way To Work" last night.
At the sound check, right? I kind of wish fans could buy a ticket JUST for the sound check at a reasonable price. It is like the concert for hard core fans the main show should be!! Maybe that is what he should do. Make the sound check a 15 song concert of deep cuts and charge $300 to $500 a ticket, and top it off at 1,000 people per sound check.
A sound check is a sound check. It isn't the concert and it isn't meant to be. What would be the point of that! :
I think "RMartinez" is on-track. I think Paul deliberately keeps the rare gems exclusive to the soundchecks for those who paid top-dollar to see it.
Soundcheck is most definitely a separate show...why else would he be charging so much for it? BUT it's not so many gems anymore...it is usually the same songs with a few different ones every now & then.
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audi:
Does anybody remember Clapton's Nothin' But The Blues tour? I saw it in '94. No "Layla." No "Cocaine." No "Wonderful Tonight." No "Tears In Heaven." It was a rousing success. Food for thought.
Clapton advertised what he was going to play so fans were not expecting the rock "hits". Just curious, were the ticket prices lower for this tour? Also, it is obvious that Clapton has fan base that enjoy his entire career and his musicianship which seems to be unlike most McCartney's fan's.
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oobu24:
audi:
beatlesfanrandy:
RMartinez:
audi:
For the record: I give Paul points for performing "On My Way To Work" last night.
At the sound check, right? I kind of wish fans could buy a ticket JUST for the sound check at a reasonable price. It is like the concert for hard core fans the main show should be!! Maybe that is what he should do. Make the sound check a 15 song concert of deep cuts and charge $300 to $500 a ticket, and top it off at 1,000 people per sound check.
A sound check is a sound check. It isn't the concert and it isn't meant to be. What would be the point of that! :
I think "RMartinez" is on-track. I think Paul deliberately keeps the rare gems exclusive to the soundchecks for those who paid top-dollar to see it.
Soundcheck is most definitely a separate show...why else would he be charging so much for it? BUT it's not so many gems anymore...it is usually the same songs with a few different ones every now & then.
I totally understand the purpose of the sound check is to test everything but it would be nice if at least 1/3 of the songs were something most people have never heard him play live.
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beatlesfanrandy:
RMartinez:
audi:
For the record: I give Paul points for performing "On My Way To Work" last night.
At the sound check, right? I kind of wish fans could buy a ticket JUST for the sound check at a reasonable price. It is like the concert for hard core fans the main show should be!! Maybe that is what he should do. Make the sound check a 15 song concert of deep cuts and charge $300 to $500 a ticket, and top it off at 1,000 people per sound check.
A sound check is a sound check. It isn't the concert and it isn't meant to be. What would be the point of that! :
You are correct. A sound check is a sound check, and is not for public consumption. But when you charge people to come in and watch, guess what? It's a show. : : :
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RMartinez:
And yes, first timers couldn't care less about Another Day or My Valentine. Too Many People is MUCH more upbeat and recognizable. Why not bring it back??
I disagree about Another Day. It got lots of radio play as a single, and I think it is much more recognizable than Too Many People. My Valentine stays as the song he dedicates to Nancy.