Why not collaborate with Gilmour or Page instead of Kanye
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favoritething:
[..] Kanye's not the nicest guy, it's true, but perhaps this is part of a plan to soften his image, and boost HIS standing. His last couple of projects didn't produce any Top 10 hits. Now it looks like he may have one, and it's a sweet song about family. Awwww!
His last two albums (2010 and 2013, from which the latter was experimental without much airplay) were both #1, Platinum, worldwide million sellers, and the second best regarded albums of the year, his latest tours were regarded as groundbreaking, so he was doing just fine. (Not meant as argument to you btw, from your other posts I know you are aware of this)
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Nancy R:
RMartinez:
favoritething:
I suppose you could say he's been riding the coattails of younger artists for quite some time. - Producing the much-younger Mary Hopkin - Grabbing the hotshot young Jimmy McCulloch to pump up Wings - Doing three duets with Michael Jackson - Getting a series of hip young remixers from Jellybean Benitez to Freelance Hellraiser to do extended remixes - Writing with Elvis Costello to recover from the Broad Street disaster - Creating the Fireman persona with Youth to establish indie cred - Bringing in proven hitmaker producers Paul Epworth (Adele) and Mark Ronson (Amy Winehouse) for the "New" album Yep, he's sucked for a long time.
Your response is ridiculous. He was riding Mary Hopkin's coat tails? Get real. You know what I mean. Hey, we'll see if Paul gets what he needs from this. Working with Elvis Costello was the last real collaboration that carried any weight. The rest have been leading up to this. Now, as many have said, if he just WANTS to do it, that's cool. But I wish some would stop looking at this like it's some major boost to his career. It isn't.
Um...I think he/she was just being facetious. Didn't you see the ?
It's a crazy comment. Placing a doesn't undo it all. Bottom line is, as long as Paul is happy making music with whoever, he should. But it is not some earth shattering career move. Maybe Mary Hopkins should do a duet with Kanye. THAT's facetious. Or maybe brilliant!
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Could it be neither of these guys NEED each other professionally? Seems they just wanted to work together. Fans on both sides can now decide whether they like it or not.
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RMartinez:
Could it be neither of these guys NEED each other professionally? Seems they just wanted to work together. Fans on both sides can now decide whether they like it or not.
Haha, and that is exactly what I was trying to say from the very start, when everyone started shooting it down already when the first rumours were floating about half a year ago.
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nobodytoldme:
favoritething:
[..] Kanye's not the nicest guy, it's true, but perhaps this is part of a plan to soften his image, and boost HIS standing. His last couple of projects didn't produce any Top 10 hits. Now it looks like he may have one, and it's a sweet song about family. Awwww!
His last two albums (2010 and 2013, from which the latter was experimental without much airplay) were both #1, Platinum, worldwide million sellers, and the second best regarded albums of the year, his latest tours were regarded as groundbreaking, so he was doing just fine. (Not meant as argument to you btw, from your other posts I know you are aware of this)
Yes, I do know this, but when I said his last two projects, I meant he also did a soundtrack in 2012, and between that and "Yeezus" he had no Top 10 hits. I was only talking about singles, I know he's doing fine with albums.
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RMartinez:
Nancy R:
RMartinez:
favoritething:
I suppose you could say he's been riding the coattails of younger artists for quite some time. - Producing the much-younger Mary Hopkin - Grabbing the hotshot young Jimmy McCulloch to pump up Wings - Doing three duets with Michael Jackson - Getting a series of hip young remixers from Jellybean Benitez to Freelance Hellraiser to do extended remixes - Writing with Elvis Costello to recover from the Broad Street disaster - Creating the Fireman persona with Youth to establish indie cred - Bringing in proven hitmaker producers Paul Epworth (Adele) and Mark Ronson (Amy Winehouse) for the "New" album Yep, he's sucked for a long time.
Your response is ridiculous. He was riding Mary Hopkin's coat tails? Get real. You know what I mean. Hey, we'll see if Paul gets what he needs from this. Working with Elvis Costello was the last real collaboration that carried any weight. The rest have been leading up to this. Now, as many have said, if he just WANTS to do it, that's cool. But I wish some would stop looking at this like it's some major boost to his career. It isn't.
Um...I think he/she was just being facetious. Didn't you see the ?
It's a crazy comment. Placing a doesn't undo it all. Bottom line is, as long as Paul is happy making music with whoever, he should. But it is not some earth shattering career move. Maybe Mary Hopkins should do a duet with Kanye. THAT's facetious. Or maybe brilliant!
I never said it was an earth-shattering career move. YOU were the one who implied he was riding Kanye's coattails. Now you're saying Paul just felt like doing it, which is what I believe too. I'm just saying that he's always been interested in younger artists with new ideas to keep his music fresh, whether it puts him on the charts or not. And it's Hopkin, not Hopkins.
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toris:
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Ammar:
...Why not do something with Billy Joel or David Gilmour who is always happy to do that with him?? and they are much more in the same level or type of music?? Jimmy page? Elvis Costello?
Because none of them have had a hit since Joan Collins was a virgin.
Ha ha!.... She was one?
I can't take credit for that joke. Burt Reynolds said it (referring to his own declining film success) on The Tonight Show to Johnny Carson in the late-'80s.
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RMartinez:
If Paul McCartney needs to still be in the charts and to it he has to ride the coat tails of younger artists, well that just sucks.
Exactly I am really surprised at what some fans writing here... going to no#1 hit on the tail of younger generation means he can it do it alone! and that all comments of younger audience are right!
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prudence1964:
Ammar:
Many liked the new song. For me it was nothing special. what I didnt like is those comments that says Kanye helped an ex-Beatle to be famous again!!! Didn't Paul knew this is a way far from his name and history??? Paul always like to collaborate with talented musicians, and it is always good to exchange music ideas. But with all names in the world, why did he choose a very different type of music to be in???? what will that song add to him or his name??? Why not do something with Billy Joel or David Gilmour who is always happy to do that with him?? and they are much more in the same level or type of music?? Jimmy page? Elvis Costello?
Those comments turned out to be a joke, not serious. Maybe The simple answer is that Kanye asked and Gilmour didn't
Are you kidding??!Gilmour will die to be anytime in studio or stage playing beside Paul. he was there backing him on " Run devil Run" concerts like any of Paul's band. and every time he is beside him something great comes out.
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JoeySmith:
Paul wants a #1 hit in America. He wont get that with 60's/70's artists. He will with Kanye.
That's the point why he shouldn't do that. that proves all Kanye fans and teenagers comments and tweets were true. what would that add to Legend like Paul McCartney
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favoritething:
I suppose you could say he's been riding the coattails of younger artists for quite some time.
- Producing the much-younger Mary Hopkin 1968 Paul helped unknown singer Mary Hopkin to be famous. proved he can Produce and discover new talents when he was 26 years old! - Grabbing the hotshot young Jimmy McCulloch to pump up Wings Jimmy was a young guitarist who needed to be in spot light with a Beatle new band. - Doing three duets with Michael Jackson That was his first mistake! - Getting a series of hip young remixers from Jellybean Benitez to Freelance Hellraiser to do extended remixes experimenting without showing his real name. - Writing with Elvis Costello to recover from the Broad Street disaster I would say from Press disaster, maybe you mean the film. That's right and it was an amazing collaboration. but Elvis Costello is on the same path of Paul's music. - Creating the Fireman persona with Youth to establish indie cred Again experimenting in a good way, he composed all the music in a good way. - Bringing in proven hitmaker producers Paul Epworth (Adele) and Mark Ronson (Amy Winehouse) for the "New" album Maybe he needs a hit, still it is his own music. nothing to compare with this strang backing up Kayne or whoever. with my respect to Kayne's fans. his music and direction and fans is way far from Paul's.
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Ammar:
favoritething:
I suppose you could say he's been riding the coattails of younger artists for quite some time.
- Producing the much-younger Mary Hopkin 1968 Paul helped unknown singer Mary Hopkin to be famous. proved he can Produce and discover new talents when he was 26 years old! - Grabbing the hotshot young Jimmy McCulloch to pump up Wings Jimmy was a young guitarist who needed to be in spot light with a Beatle new band. - Doing three duets with Michael Jackson That was his first mistake! - Getting a series of hip young remixers from Jellybean Benitez to Freelance Hellraiser to do extended remixes experimenting without showing his real name. - Writing with Elvis Costello to recover from the Broad Street disaster I would say from Press disaster, maybe you mean the film. That's right and it was an amazing collaboration. but Elvis Costello is on the same path of Paul's music. - Creating the Fireman persona with Youth to establish indie cred Again experimenting in a good way, he composed all the music in a good way. - Bringing in proven hitmaker producers Paul Epworth (Adele) and Mark Ronson (Amy Winehouse) for the "New" album Maybe he needs a hit, still it is his own music. nothing to compare with this strang backing up Kayne or whoever. with my respect to Kayne's fans. his music and direction and fans is way far from Paul's.
Again, I was just trying to make the point that Paul has always gravitated to younger artists with fresh ideas. Not saying that they made him more popular, because obviously many of the above things did not result in hits, particularly the Fireman stuff and the "New" album. Did Mary Hopkin make him famous? No, of course not, but her success validated the Beatles' Apple label as a champion of new talent and made Paul look viable as a producer. As to Kanye's music and direction, have you heard the new song? It's not particularly radical; it's a soulful, gentle ballad, of which Paul has done many in his time. But if the coming material is harder edged, I still don't see that as being far from what Paul has done. I've already mentioned "Struggle" and "Appreciate," but what about all those '80s remixes? What about Twin Freaks and the Fireman and the Liverpool Sound Collage and the Wingspan remixes and his "Out Of Sight" song with the Bloody Beetroots? Paul's style is whatever he wants it to be. He can croon standards, he can compose a ballet score, he can rock out with Dave Grohl, he can do rollicking piano tunes like Fats Domino, pretty much anything.
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Ammar:
JoeySmith:
Paul wants a #1 hit in America. He wont get that with 60's/70's artists. He will with Kanye.
That's the point why he shouldn't do that. that proves all Kanye fans and teenagers comments and tweets were true. what would that add to Legend like Paul McCartney
I'm sure there are many people who don't know who Paul is, but the tweets that started this whole thing WERE a joke. The guy who made the comment that Kanye would make Paul a big star someday was clearly being ironic, especially when you look at the rest of his tweets. He's just some guy who likes to be snarky and sardonic and goofy, and other people followed up with their own snarky tweets, but then someone took them seriously, and it blew up the Internet like "Alex from Target."
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favoritething:
Ammar:
JoeySmith:
Paul wants a #1 hit in America. He wont get that with 60's/70's artists. He will with Kanye.
That's the point why he shouldn't do that. that proves all Kanye fans and teenagers comments and tweets were true. what would that add to Legend like Paul McCartney
I'm sure there are many people who don't know who Paul is, but the tweets that started this whole thing WERE a joke. The guy who made the comment that Kanye would make Paul a big star someday was clearly being ironic, especially when you look at the rest of his tweets. He's just some guy who likes to be snarky and sardonic and goofy, and other people followed up with their own snarky tweets, but then someone took them seriously, and it blew up the Internet like "Alex from Target."
We all know who is Paul! even younger generation. the whole point is what is this will add to Paul McCartney history??? and yes for your previous comment I have listened to the song. it is nothing special at all. go surf the net or youtube for hundred thousands of similar songs. Paul can experiment what ever he can as long as he is the one who compose and perform, and not being just a backup Featured in Kanye's song ! here is one of the results of such great collaboration : [A world where the Beatles don?t matter[/color">](http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/01/07/the-beatles-rendered-irrelevant-time/aNtVSsSOx9tQYhlQgpE9rJ/story.html]<span style=)
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No, Paul does not need to be the star of every collaboration he does. What an appalling thought. He clearly enjoys being a star, but also sometimes likes just being part of a band. He played guitar on the song he wrote for the Everly Brothers, kazoo on Ringo's "Your Sixteen," and bass on one of James Taylor's early records. He enjoys mixing it up and just playing music with people he enjoys working with, and he clearly seems to like working with Kanye. Why on earth would anyone want to deny him that?
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Bruce M.:
No, Paul does not need to be the star of every collaboration he does. What an appalling thought. He clearly enjoys being a star, but also sometimes likes just being part of a band. He played guitar on the song he wrote for the Everly Brothers, kazoo on Ringo's "Your Sixteen," and bass on one of James Taylor's early records. He enjoys mixing it up and just playing music with people he enjoys working with, and he clearly seems to like working with Kanye. Why on earth would anyone want to deny him that?
oh for that... you need to read the whole thread again. but obviously many, not just anyone! and by the way the names you mentioned are either legends or musically related to Paul McCartney.
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Ammar:
Bruce M.:
No, Paul does not need to be the star of every collaboration he does. What an appalling thought. He clearly enjoys being a star, but also sometimes likes just being part of a band. He played guitar on the song he wrote for the Everly Brothers, kazoo on Ringo's "Your Sixteen," and bass on one of James Taylor's early records. He enjoys mixing it up and just playing music with people he enjoys working with, and he clearly seems to like working with Kanye. Why on earth would anyone want to deny him that?
oh for that... you need to read the whole thread again. but obviously many, not just anyone! and by the way the names you mentioned are either legends or musically related to Paul McCartney.
Well, I say "musically related" is meaningless. Why put limits on the kinds of music Paul can do? In the Beatles, he did everything from screaming Little Richard covers to romantic show tunes to novelty hits by the Coasters. In one single day in 1965, he recorded the vocals to "Yesterday," "I've Just Seen A Face," and "I'm Down." This is not a man with limits. And you may not like this fact, but Kanye West is a legend. He has had a huge impact on music in this century, and he is one of the most famous musicians to emerge in that time. I don't necessarily like or listen to every single thing that comes out, but I think it's pointless to just dig in your heels and try to wish away whole genres of music. Paul obviously hasn't.
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favoritething:
Ammar:
Bruce M.:
No, Paul does not need to be the star of every collaboration he does. What an appalling thought. He clearly enjoys being a star, but also sometimes likes just being part of a band. He played guitar on the song he wrote for the Everly Brothers, kazoo on Ringo's "Your Sixteen," and bass on one of James Taylor's early records. He enjoys mixing it up and just playing music with people he enjoys working with, and he clearly seems to like working with Kanye. Why on earth would anyone want to deny him that?
oh for that... you need to read the whole thread again. but obviously many, not just anyone! and by the way the names you mentioned are either legends or musically related to Paul McCartney.
Well, I say "musically related" is meaningless. Why put limits on the kinds of music Paul can do? In the Beatles, he did everything from screaming Little Richard covers to romantic show tunes to novelty hits by the Coasters. In one single day in 1965, he recorded the vocals to "Yesterday," "I've Just Seen A Face," and "I'm Down." This is not a man with limits. And you may not like this fact, but Kanye West is a legend. He has had a huge impact on music in this century, and he is one of the most famous musicians to emerge in that time. I don't necessarily like or listen to every single thing that comes out, but I think it's pointless to just dig in your heels and try to wish away whole genres of music. Paul obviously hasn't.
Oh no no no.... Mr. Kardashian a legend?.... A huge impact?.... Famous?.... I respect your opinion, I really do, but Mr. Kardashian will never be anything more than a footnote on the footnote that is the footnote of music..... His impact will be dwarfed by true legends and his impact will sit as an aside by the likes of Boy George, Rick Astley and many more that came before him.... He is a footnote.... I don't like him and I don't like his music.
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ps. he might be "famous". Can't deny him that. Good ol' Kim won't hurt. But fame is fickle.
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He may not be a legend to you, or to a lot of the people here, but check out his fan forum on his website. It's a heck of a lot more active than this one. I know that most people here do not embrace his type(s) of music, but his kind of music is what's keeping the music business afloat these days. The Beatles have been around for fifty years, and they have endured. Rap has been around for almost forty years, and it has also endured. There is not one rock act that has consistent top ten hits anymore (Coldplay comes the closest), while rap and hip-hop artists have ruled the charts for a couple of decades now. That's a good chunk of time. Anyone who has made a splash as big as Kanye cannot be seen as a footnote. Look at it this way: for as long as rap and hip-hop are seen as rebellious and dangerous, young people will gravitate to it. As long as people of our age keep denouncing and ridiculing it, it only improves that music's ability to be provocative and vital.