Ringo cancels North Carolina show because of HB2 law
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
RMartinez:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
thenightfish:
http://abc11.com/entertainment/ringo-starr-cancels-june-18-show-in-cary-because-of-hb2/1289725/
When Ringo's show cancellation made the national news, it was probably the most publicity he has gotten...on his own...in quite some time. I sort of doubt many in the country even knew he was touring or periodically releasing albums anymore. So, aside from canceling the show being the right decision, it was probably a very good career move. :
Sounds like Paul McCartney's career at the moment. The part about doubting many in the country even knew he was touring or periodically releasing albums anymore.
True. He's on the road so much now that it isn't news at all....and, to me, doesn't seem special anymore. I, for one, wish he would stop touring....or give it a rest for a period of time, just lay low,....and concentrate on developing what could well be his final album. Make it a great one. I watch Paul Simon and wish McCartney would follow Simon's career path as it winds down. Simon is readying an album for release soon that sounds terrific. His prior one was excellent. To me, all of his solo albums have been top notch.
Well, from all accounts he's currently working on a new album, so it sounds like you'll get your wish.
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brettb3:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
RMartinez:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
thenightfish:
http://abc11.com/entertainment/ringo-starr-cancels-june-18-show-in-cary-because-of-hb2/1289725/
When Ringo's show cancellation made the national news, it was probably the most publicity he has gotten...on his own...in quite some time. I sort of doubt many in the country even knew he was touring or periodically releasing albums anymore. So, aside from canceling the show being the right decision, it was probably a very good career move. :
Sounds like Paul McCartney's career at the moment. The part about doubting many in the country even knew he was touring or periodically releasing albums anymore.
True. He's on the road so much now that it isn't news at all....and, to me, doesn't seem special anymore. I, for one, wish he would stop touring....or give it a rest for a period of time, just lay low,....and concentrate on developing what could well be his final album. Make it a great one. I watch Paul Simon and wish McCartney would follow Simon's career path as it winds down. Simon is readying an album for release soon that sounds terrific. His prior one was excellent. To me, all of his solo albums have been top notch.
Well, from all accounts he's currently working on a new album, so it sounds like you'll get your wish.
Thanks. Yeah, I read that he was. I guess I would feel more comfortable...if he were devoting full attention to it rather than working now and then, but maybe it will be excellent, I guess that's the bottom line.
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
I watch Paul Simon and wish McCartney would follow Simon's career path as it winds down. Simon is readying an album for release soon that sounds terrific. His prior one was excellent. To me, all of his solo albums have been top notch.
Paul Simon is kind of remarkable. His 21st century albums are just as good or better than what he was doing in his prime.
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
brettb3:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
RMartinez:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
thenightfish:
http://abc11.com/entertainment/ringo-starr-cancels-june-18-show-in-cary-because-of-hb2/1289725/
When Ringo's show cancellation made the national news, it was probably the most publicity he has gotten...on his own...in quite some time. I sort of doubt many in the country even knew he was touring or periodically releasing albums anymore. So, aside from canceling the show being the right decision, it was probably a very good career move. :
Sounds like Paul McCartney's career at the moment. The part about doubting many in the country even knew he was touring or periodically releasing albums anymore.
True. He's on the road so much now that it isn't news at all....and, to me, doesn't seem special anymore. I, for one, wish he would stop touring....or give it a rest for a period of time, just lay low,....and concentrate on developing what could well be his final album. Make it a great one. I watch Paul Simon and wish McCartney would follow Simon's career path as it winds down. Simon is readying an album for release soon that sounds terrific. His prior one was excellent. To me, all of his solo albums have been top notch.
Well, from all accounts he's currently working on a new album, so it sounds like you'll get your wish.
Thanks. Yeah, I read that he was. I guess I would feel more comfortable...if he were devoting full attention to it rather than working now and then, but maybe it will be excellent, I guess that's the bottom line.
Well, I'm sure he does give it his full attention when he's working on it. He's scheduled for 30 shows this year (so far), so it's not like he's on the road that much. He'll have plenty of time to work on other things.
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yankeefan7:
Bruce M.:
Awesoman:
audi:
It would be nice to see artists boycotting cities where police are murdering unarmed citizens and getting away with it.
Seconded. Chicago would never have another concert again.
Realistically, it's much more likely for boycotts by artists, businesses, etc. to change the course of a newly-passed law (NC's governor already issued an executive order making some token, largely symbolic steps toward backing down) than for such actions to change deeply entrenched law enforcement culture that tolerates violence against civilians. Fixing such a deeply engrained culture (which, alas, is proving to be a major problem here in San Francisco, supposed bastion of liberalism) is much more difficult than just repealing a law. And as folks have pointed out, it's hard to name an American city where there isn't a serious problem with policing. That said, I hope all artists, musicians, etc. will publicly support Black Lives Matter. Seems like the sort of thing both Ringo and Paul would be open to. Still, I choked up a bit when I heard Ringo had taken a stand against HB2. Thanks, Ringo. This matters.
BJ - Living in Charlotte NC this hits home a bit. My problem with any of these artists cancelling a show is that they made a commitment to perform and should honor that commitment. Yes, they are refunding the ticket money but they seem to forget that they are taking money out of people's pocket who work at the arena to earn extra money. I know for a fact that some people who work the concession stands do it to fund raise for their children's activities (soccer, dance etc). I know I did this type of work many years ago to get extra money to pay dance fees for my daughters. If Ringo and others don't like the law, then speak out against it in concert and boycott future concerts in NC. Just my two cents
Excellent notion: "If Ringo and others don't like the law, then speak out against it in concert and boycott future concerts in NC." But, then that would negate the jumping on the bandwagon effect. I would imagine that every parent is more concerned with their child's safety than anything else. Saying that people in NC hate this population is an assumption not based on fact. I am sure no one cares if a man changes to a woman or a woman changes to a man. But, a man changing to a woman still is stronger, in most cases, than the average woman. Add pedophiles to this equation, and that might explain the purpose of the bill.
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Cancelling the concert sends a stronger statement. The people affected by it economically should then start contacting their legislators and demanding that the law be changed. Springsteen fans wish that Bruce would have just made a statement on stage, but that would not have caused the same reaction that his cancellation did. Cancelling his show tossed a spotlight onto the issue and has now seeming forced every performer with a NC concert to make a statement about whether they are cancelling or not, and the reasons why. Yes, fans got caught in th middle, and that is bad, but this is for the bigger picture about rights for everyone (and it is not just about the bathrooms.)
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thenightfish:
Cancelling the concert sends a stronger statement. The people affected by it economically should then start contacting their legislators and demanding that the law be changed. Springsteen fans wish that Bruce would have just made a statement on stage, but that would not have caused the same reaction that his cancellation did. Cancelling his show tossed a spotlight onto the issue and has now seeming forced every performer with a NC concert to make a statement about whether they are cancelling or not, and the reasons why. Yes, fans got caught in th middle, and that is bad, but this is for the bigger picture about rights for everyone (and it is not just about the bathrooms.)
Seriously? (I'm not being sarcastic.) I thought it WAS just about the bathrooms. Where else could they not go that is for "women only"?
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Fan4-45years:
thenightfish:
Cancelling the concert sends a stronger statement. The people affected by it economically should then start contacting their legislators and demanding that the law be changed. Springsteen fans wish that Bruce would have just made a statement on stage, but that would not have caused the same reaction that his cancellation did. Cancelling his show tossed a spotlight onto the issue and has now seeming forced every performer with a NC concert to make a statement about whether they are cancelling or not, and the reasons why. Yes, fans got caught in th middle, and that is bad, but this is for the bigger picture about rights for everyone (and it is not just about the bathrooms.)
Seriously? (I'm not being sarcastic.) I thought it WAS just about the bathrooms. Where else could they not go that is for "women only"?
Human rights are bigger than bathrooms. The bathroom part is getting the most attention. The LGBT population is no more likely to be rapists and pedophiles than the heterosexual population. Do you think it's appropriate for someone who has transitioned to a man to be using the ladies room? Hint: you won't be able to tell they aren't a man. The law, by the way, also strips rights of LGBT in the workplace and allows them to be discriminated against.
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Also, do you think it's safe for someone who has transitioned to a woman to use the men's room? You have to consider people's dignity. I imagine you've used many restrooms in the presence of transgender people. If you never noticed, why is it all of the sudden a problem?
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prudence1964:
Also, do you think it's safe for someone who has transitioned to a woman to use the men's room? You have to consider people's dignity. I imagine you've used many restrooms in the presence of transgender people. If you never noticed, why is it all of the sudden a problem?
Exactly!
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Fan4-45years:
thenightfish:
Cancelling the concert sends a stronger statement. The people affected by it economically should then start contacting their legislators and demanding that the law be changed. Springsteen fans wish that Bruce would have just made a statement on stage, but that would not have caused the same reaction that his cancellation did. Cancelling his show tossed a spotlight onto the issue and has now seeming forced every performer with a NC concert to make a statement about whether they are cancelling or not, and the reasons why. Yes, fans got caught in th middle, and that is bad, but this is for the bigger picture about rights for everyone (and it is not just about the bathrooms.)
Seriously? (I'm not being sarcastic.) I thought it WAS just about the bathrooms. Where else could they not go that is for "women only"?
That law also stops anti-discrimination measures from being passed on any local or state level. If someone gets fired for any kind of biased reason, including religion or race, they cannot sue on a local or state level, they have to go Federal. Local governments in NC also can't set their own minimum wages.
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When was the last time Ringo was in a political controversy?
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HaileyMcComet:
When was the last time Ringo was in a political controversy?
With Imelda Marcos in the Philippines....when The Beatles didn't get the word that she was expecting them for tea or something, and so they didn't show up? Maybe then. Or maybe when John made his Beatles/God statement/comparison...all of which was a huge misunderstanding... that led to burning of their records in the U.S. Bible Belt....all in 1966! :
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Seen today on the Net: Jimmy Buffet stated "loyal fans" are "more important than that stupid law"--he thinks all those bands should not have canceled their N.C. gigs they had committed to perform
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There are honest disagreements about boycotts, since they inevitably hurt some innocent parties. But they work. A similar bill in Tennessee just got squelched because of the uproar over HB2. And the growing international boycott/divestment movement absolutely helped bring down the odious apartheid regime in South Africa. If I read right, Duran Duran played a gig in North Carolina but turned it into a benefit for the state's LGBT equality group, which seems to me a perfectly valid response. Personally, I appreciate artists taking a stand, however they choose to do it. And don't forget, the Beatles threatened to cancel shows in 1964 when they found they'd been booked into segregated arenas in the South. In that case, happily, the authorities backed down.
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Actually the Beatles said they wouldn't play if there was any segregation, so there wasn't. They never cancelled any shows, or threatened to cancel. They just weren't going to book a show if there would be segregation.
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Nancy R:
Actually the Beatles said they wouldn't play if there was any segregation, so there wasn't. They never cancelled any shows, or threatened to cancel. They just weren't going to book a show if there would be segregation.
Actually, they did. Per the BBC: The Beatles had previously taken a public stand on civil rights in 1964, when they refused to perform at a segregated concert at the Gator Bowl in Jacksonville, Florida. City officials relented, allowing the stadium to be integrated, and the band took to the stage. http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-14963752 They even put the threat into a press release, earning some hostility from the local media: http://mentalfloss.com/article/30477/all-together-now-civil-rights-and-beatles-first-american-tour It's hard to imagine now what a gutsy move this was in '64, when civil rights was hotly contentious and the Beatles were thought of as what we'd now call a "boy band," just a passing fad. On their next U.S. tour they had it written into their contracts that they would not play before segregated audiences.
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Artists have a right to react however they want to a law as they see fit. Consumers have a right to react to that artist's reaction as they see fit, by not purchasing that artist's product, or not going to their concerts. Or supporting the artist's decision by going to see them in a neighboring state and purchasing their product. I can see Ringo and Bruces's perspective. I also understand Jimmy Buffet's take on this. At least for the moment, I'm glad I live in New Mexico.
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Bruce M.:
Nancy R:
Actually the Beatles said they wouldn't play if there was any segregation, so there wasn't. They never cancelled any shows, or threatened to cancel. They just weren't going to book a show if there would be segregation.
Actually, they did. Per the BBC: The Beatles had previously taken a public stand on civil rights in 1964, when they refused to perform at a segregated concert at the Gator Bowl in Jacksonville, Florida. City officials relented, allowing the stadium to be integrated, and the band took to the stage. http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-14963752 They even put the threat into a press release, earning some hostility from the local media: http://mentalfloss.com/article/30477/all-together-now-civil-rights-and-beatles-first-american-tour It's hard to imagine now what a gutsy move this was in '64, when civil rights was hotly contentious and the Beatles were thought of as what we'd now call a "boy band," just a passing fad. On their next U.S. tour they had it written into their contracts that they would not play before segregated audiences.
Sorry, I had been misinformed. Thanks for the clarification.
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RMartinez:
At least for the moment, I'm glad I live in New Mexico.
Because no one plays there or because there are no weird toilet laws?