THE NEXT DELUXE/REMASTERED ALBUM FROM PAUL
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Bob Gannon:
JoeySmith:
I'm hearing rumours that Paul's upcoming new album is the "best thing he's done since Band on the Run".
Well, we can dream certainly!!
But hasn't all his albums from FITD (excluding OTG & DR) all been praised as his best album since an album he did in the 70s? Appears to be a trend to say that with any new album an old musician releases. Nonetheless I'm very excited for it, I've loved Chaos, MAF & New so bring it on!
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Gordy JS:
Bob Gannon:
JoeySmith:
I'm hearing rumours that Paul's upcoming new album is the "best thing he's done since Band on the Run".
Well, we can dream certainly!!
But hasn't all his albums from FITD (excluding OTG & DR) all been praised as his best album since an album he did in the 70s? Appears to be a trend to say that with any new album an old musician releases. Nonetheless I'm very excited for it, I've loved Chaos, MAF & New so bring it on!
Solely in my opinion, Paul hit his recording low with "Press To Play" in '86 and each record after has been better than its predecessor...BUT, I don't think any of them have rivaled his output in the 60's and 70's...sure, some particular tracks have...but as a collection? Chaos & Creation is the only release since Venus and Mars that I can listen to every single track without skipping anything.
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Bob Gannon:
stuartshire:
Hi, I'm a bit confused with the content of the new flowers in the dirt stuff . Am I right in saying there are two sets of demos ? If so , which demos are on the standard edition- the acoustic ones , or full band ones ? My main reason for asking , is that unless the deluxe package comes down in price substantially- I'm considering buying the standard cd and vinyl editions instead .
Yes, two sets of demos...standard version has the acoustic demos , acoustic demos and the Deluxe sets have the band demos and download only material with a few more demos on that
Thanks . I thought as much . Bummer , will need to shell out for the deluxe version then - never heard the band demos before ...
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WixRocks!:
Gordy JS:
Bob Gannon:
JoeySmith:
I'm hearing rumours that Paul's upcoming new album is the "best thing he's done since Band on the Run".
Well, we can dream certainly!!
But hasn't all his albums from FITD (excluding OTG & DR) all been praised as his best album since an album he did in the 70s? Appears to be a trend to say that with any new album an old musician releases. Nonetheless I'm very excited for it, I've loved Chaos, MAF & New so bring it on!
Solely in my opinion, Paul hit his recording low with "Press To Play" in '86 and each record after has been better than its predecessor...BUT, I don't think any of them have rivaled his output in the 60's and 70's...sure, some particular tracks have...but as a collection? Chaos & Creation is the only release since Venus and Mars that I can listen to every single track without skipping anything.
_____________________________________________________ What is good about being a Paul fan is that there are so many different opinions of his music. I know I am in the minority, but I like Press to Play as an album. Just my opinion, but I have always thought that PTP suffered not so much because of the quality of the album but because it "followed" a definite low point for Paul with Pipes of Peace and Broadstreet. I didn't buy Press at that time because I was kind of tired of what Paul was doing and to make matters worse I personally was going through a tough time. Almost every artist (even one as talented as Paul) goes through low points. With Paul, the over exposure of the Stevie and Michael duets and the disappointments of Pipes of Peace (as an album) and Broad Street (the movie) were a definite valley for Macca. People just got a little tired of Paul. On Pipes of Peace, Paul just seemed to be getting way too middle of the road. I just happened to find the Press to Play CD at a used record store only about a year ago and decided to give it chance. After a few plays, I was pleasantly surprised. Not in Paul's Top 7 or 8 Post Beatles albums for sure, but it jelled for me as an album. I especially liked songs like Stranglehold, Good Times Coming, Footprints, Only Love Remains, Move Over Busker, Write Away etc. It seemed that Paul was letting the songs come to him rather than over trying to write another blockbuster or the next big single. I know that people don't like the 80's production (and that is fair) but I think the real problem that made Press to Play such a poor seller was that the consumer got tired of Paul during the period prior to Press. And with a little more time going by after the failure of Press and with the idea of Paul working with Elvis Costello (more of a rocker and John Lennon type of guy) helped propel Flowers in the Dirt. Musically, Paul needed a change to get away from working on big commercial blockbuster songs like he did with Stevie and Michael. As far as albums after Press to Play and comparing them to Paul's Wings/70's output... I personally like all the decades. As much as I liked songs like Let Me Roll It To You, Letting Go and Beware My Love from the 70's, I also love later Solo songs like Put It There, Little Willow and Jenny Wren that have deeper lyrics. No doubt Paul was the most prolific during the 70's but I like the songs from Flowers, Flaming Pie, Chaos, MAF etc. where a good number of songs have more mature and meaningful lyrics. Of course, as Paul got older you would expect him to get more meaningful in his lyrics and on a good number of his songs, he did.
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I totally agree . I actually think press to play is a great album. Never understood the naysayers .stranglehold , only love remains , and footprints are some highlights of an album that has many . Preferable to much of his 70s output imo.
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nobodytoldme:
Kestrel:
Bob Gannon:
Steve Marinucci quoted an inside source and a possible single released in June and the album to follow in July or early August.
July and August are traditionally the months with the lowest record sales and the months most major artists avoid when it comes to new releases. I think October/November is a more realistic time for the new albums release.
This. Would be the first time ever McCartney would put out an album when the industry is asleep. (Although times has changed and major records now even get released mid-December.) But June/July is just fan guesswork based on McCartney mentioned a new album throughout 2016. Also, the upcoming Pepper-project didn't come out of nowhere, and McCartney would've known that release date for months by now. Having said that, the "Beatles and solo Beatles releases never clash" theory is a myth: plenty of examples of when it did in recent years. And last, regarding Apple never announcing projects until 6 weeks in advance, everyone who followed the 09/09/09 Rock Band and remaster campaign knows that's hogwash.
Not that they NEVER clash, but mostly they try to avoid two high-profile projects from coming out simultaneously, certainly with Paul's solo stuff. I think it's quite possible, if there's a new Paul album, that it could come out in August. October/November is when releases come out that are sure to be blockbusters which, as we found out with New, is not guaranteed for Paul. These days, late July through late September is a hot period for new releases by artists who mainly just get good reviews and have a dedicated fan base. The cutoff for Grammy consideration is the end of September, usually, and yes, I know people are going to say Paul doesn't care about Grammys, but his label certainly does! But anyway, a late summer release would be appropriate for Paul and give his album more of a chance to stand out, as far as publicity and sales.
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Bob Gannon:
I do find it very funny that some fans can complain about a set that is offering more bonus tracks than any other set before it. Yes, I'd rather have it on disk, but I'm thankful getting more!!! I'll burn to disk, make labels and place it in the set. No time or desire to whine about it. Choice very simple, don't buy it! I've seen the set, I've heard the whole set and I AM buying it!
I'm buying it too! I truly don't understand the fans who keep posting about how much they hate everything Paul is doing. If I were that dissatisfied, I wouldn't bother posting here at all. But that's just me!
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favoritething:
nobodytoldme:
Kestrel:
Bob Gannon:
Steve Marinucci quoted an inside source and a possible single released in June and the album to follow in July or early August.
July and August are traditionally the months with the lowest record sales and the months most major artists avoid when it comes to new releases. I think October/November is a more realistic time for the new albums release.
This. Would be the first time ever McCartney would put out an album when the industry is asleep. (Although times has changed and major records now even get released mid-December.) But June/July is just fan guesswork based on McCartney mentioned a new album throughout 2016. Also, the upcoming Pepper-project didn't come out of nowhere, and McCartney would've known that release date for months by now. Having said that, the "Beatles and solo Beatles releases never clash" theory is a myth: plenty of examples of when it did in recent years. And last, regarding Apple never announcing projects until 6 weeks in advance, everyone who followed the 09/09/09 Rock Band and remaster campaign knows that's hogwash.
Not that they NEVER clash, but mostly they try to avoid two high-profile projects from coming out simultaneously, certainly with Paul's solo stuff. [..]
Just in 2 recent big Beatles/Beatles solo years alone: 2013, The Beatles movie 'Help!' on Blu-Ray and Paul McCartney's 'Rock Show' mid-70's live concert for the very first time on Blu-Ray, 2 weeks apart. Later that year, second instalment in the Beatles BBC collection AND a brand new studio record by Paul McCartney, just weeks apart. 2015, The Beatles released the big '1' DVD/Blu-Ray/remix set, while Paul McCartney released expensive deluxe editions of 'Pipes Of Peace' and 'Tug Of War' only a month earlier. Also, he released a new single earlier in the year, Ringo Starr had a new album out, while John Lennon's solo catalogue got a big re-issue on vinyl. It's a myth.
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nobodytoldme:
Just in 2 recent big Beatles/Beatles solo years alone: 2013, The Beatles movie 'Help!' on Blu-Ray and Paul McCartney's 'Rock Show' mid-70's live concert for the very first time on Blu-Ray, 2 weeks apart. Later that year, second instalment in the Beatles BBC collection AND a brand new studio record by Paul McCartney, just weeks apart. 2015, The Beatles released the big '1' DVD/Blu-Ray/remix set, while Paul McCartney released expensive deluxe editions of 'Pipes Of Peace' and 'Tug Of War' only a month earlier. Also, he released a new single earlier in the year, Ringo Starr had a new album out, while John Lennon's solo catalogue got a big re-issue on vinyl. It's a myth.
I just have to disagree with your assessment. "Help!" / "Rock Show" is not a significant clash, only a very limited audience for the latter especially. "1" / "Tug of War" -- a month is a significant gap, not a clash. Ringo's album was many months earlier, not a clash. John on vinyl is a tiny niche market, not a clash. Your best example is "BBC" / "New", which didn't turn out so well for Paul's album: only one week in the top 10, didn't even go gold. His label may well have concluded that they were released too close together.
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favoritething:
nobodytoldme:
Just in 2 recent big Beatles/Beatles solo years alone: 2013, The Beatles movie 'Help!' on Blu-Ray and Paul McCartney's 'Rock Show' mid-70's live concert for the very first time on Blu-Ray, 2 weeks apart. Later that year, second instalment in the Beatles BBC collection AND a brand new studio record by Paul McCartney, just weeks apart. 2015, The Beatles released the big '1' DVD/Blu-Ray/remix set, while Paul McCartney released expensive deluxe editions of 'Pipes Of Peace' and 'Tug Of War' only a month earlier. Also, he released a new single earlier in the year, Ringo Starr had a new album out, while John Lennon's solo catalogue got a big re-issue on vinyl. It's a myth.
I just have to disagree with your assessment. "Help!" / "Rock Show" is not a significant clash, only a very limited audience for the latter especially. "1" / "Tug of War" -- a month is a significant gap, not a clash. Ringo's album was many months earlier, not a clash. John on vinyl is a tiny niche market, not a clash. Your best example is "BBC" / "New", which didn't turn out so well for Paul's album: only one week in the top 10, didn't even go gold. His label may well have concluded that they were released too close together.
It are all examples of big Beatles and big solo products completely being tangled up with each other though. Even the same type of products, with years to spare to do it differently. 'Rock Show' and 'Help!' both being Blu-Rays, it's just one example. Limited audience, sure, but the audience which buys McCartney products surely buys Beatles products. And a month is not a significant gap with expensive boxsets. It proves they don't keep it in consideration whatsoever. I used Ringo's album and McCartney's single to showcase how it's simply not true they all keep all their releases far away from each other: it never happened, and it still doesn't. Niche market for a Lennon boxset or not, surely with all the months in the year they don't release anything, they would want to spread the releases, especially a 200 ish dollar release like a vinyl boxset. And I don't even think a new Beatles release with 50+ year old recordings would even steal away copies from a new McCartney solo album. As if people can spend 20 bucks, but not 30 bucks, and as if they can't spend it a few weeks or months later anyway. Hence them just releasing things at the same time. But 'New' wouldn't have sold either way. And it didn't even have to do with their wonky promotion, or the quality. It's just how it is these days.
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nobodytoldme:
favoritething:
nobodytoldme:
Just in 2 recent big Beatles/Beatles solo years alone: 2013, The Beatles movie 'Help!' on Blu-Ray and Paul McCartney's 'Rock Show' mid-70's live concert for the very first time on Blu-Ray, 2 weeks apart. Later that year, second instalment in the Beatles BBC collection AND a brand new studio record by Paul McCartney, just weeks apart. 2015, The Beatles released the big '1' DVD/Blu-Ray/remix set, while Paul McCartney released expensive deluxe editions of 'Pipes Of Peace' and 'Tug Of War' only a month earlier. Also, he released a new single earlier in the year, Ringo Starr had a new album out, while John Lennon's solo catalogue got a big re-issue on vinyl. It's a myth.
I just have to disagree with your assessment. "Help!" / "Rock Show" is not a significant clash, only a very limited audience for the latter especially. "1" / "Tug of War" -- a month is a significant gap, not a clash. Ringo's album was many months earlier, not a clash. John on vinyl is a tiny niche market, not a clash. Your best example is "BBC" / "New", which didn't turn out so well for Paul's album: only one week in the top 10, didn't even go gold. His label may well have concluded that they were released too close together.
It are all examples of big Beatles and big solo products completely being tangled up with each other though. Even the same type of products, with years to spare to do it differently. 'Rock Show' and 'Help!' both being Blu-Rays, it's just one example. Limited audience, sure, but the audience which buys McCartney products surely buys Beatles products. And a month is not a significant gap with expensive boxsets. It proves they don't keep it in consideration whatsoever. I used Ringo's album and McCartney's single to showcase how it's simply not true they all keep all their releases far away from each other: it never happened, and it still doesn't. Niche market for a Lennon boxset or not, surely with all the months in the year they don't release anything, they would want to spread the releases, especially a 200 ish dollar release like a vinyl boxset. And I don't even think a new Beatles release with 50+ year old recordings would even steal away copies from a new McCartney solo album. As if people can spend 20 bucks, but not 30 bucks, and as if they can't spend it a few weeks or months later anyway. Hence them just releasing things at the same time. But 'New' wouldn't have sold either way. And it didn't even have to do with their wonky promotion, or the quality. It's just how it is these days.
I guess you see it differently, but you're not convincing me.
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I pre ordered the 2CD Set with the MY BRAVE FAVE single from Best Buy...Do you get the cd set with the 45 sent to you in the shipment??
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normally I just buy it at the Record store near my house ops:
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I'm still torn on what to do. I really cannot justify $117 for this Deluxe set and I'm still super pissed about the download only portion...but it will also send my inner collector into spiraling in turmoil by not continuing my Deluxe set collection. I've never once had to consider buying the deluxe set or not as they've all been so great...until now. Why make the second least commercially viable release to date, the most expensive to date? Has anybody bought these way after release? Does the price tend to drop, or do these just disappear off the market?
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wingsdgm:
normally I just buy it at the Record store near my house ops:
What's a "record store?" I would assume the 2 CD set will arrive along with the 45. "What's a 45?" asks everyone under age 30.
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WixRocks!:
I'm still torn on what to do. I really cannot justify $117 for this Deluxe set and I'm still super pissed about the download only portion...but it will also send my inner collector into spiraling in turmoil by not continuing my Deluxe set collection. I've never once had to consider buying the deluxe set or not as they've all been so great...until now. Why make the second least commercially viable release to date, the most expensive to date? Has anybody bought these way after release? Does the price tend to drop, or do these just disappear off the market?
I don't know as I've always purchased them when they came out, but Import CDs has it for $111.98 including shipping (U.S. only) and they don't charge you until it ships. http://www.importcds.com/
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wingsdgm:
I pre ordered the 2CD Set with the MY BRAVE FAVE single from Best Buy...Do you get the cd set with the 45 sent to you in the shipment??
The Best Buy specials (with the 45) are usually separate mail ins. Usually you need to pay for shipping for the 45.
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I'm hearing that there is no Coming Soon card in this one, just a card listing the other Archive releases. Is this true? I guess they're still working on the plan going forward.
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favoritething:
I'm hearing that there is no Coming Soon card in this one, just a card listing the other Archive releases. Is this true? I guess they're still working on the plan going forward.
Yep. I've heard there's a pic posted somewhere on FB.