Paul is the only one who can stop this ticket rip-off
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Maccaroni1974 wrote:
Yankeefan2 wrote:
WixRocks wrote:
Yankeefan2 wrote:
WixRocks wrote:
This is all easily traceable back to the greed some of us were attempting to discuss in another thread. Paul simply doesn't care. He walks out with his cool million and a guarantee of a packed house no matter what...and he isn't the only one. It will never change. These big rock legends have about another decade MAX of this level of activity and popularity so they're going to soak it up for the rest of their lives.
Too bad these rock legends don't do what JK Rowlings has done to try and prevent scalpers from getting tickets to Harry Potter show in London. My family will be going to London and see it in December and you don't even get a ticket. You go to the box office the day/evening of the show to get ticket and need to show proof of purchase and photo id of the person who bought the tickets. I will also mention this show is reasonably priced especially when you compare it to seeing "Hamilton" in NYC.
Another excellent option! They simply don't care.
You are right, they are getting their money and that is all that matters. They know there is a market out there that will let them charge anything they want and will sell out. Does anybody really think the McCartney team cares about the fans on this board getting to see him in concert? I truly understand an artist wanting to make money but in his case he is a billonaire and can afford to make the prices more reasonable and still make a nice profit. In addition, think of the money he makes in merchandising when you are selling a t-shirt for $35-$50. Also, it seems to me he makes a bit of money (lol) on his sound check package and people are not even very close to the stage.
Once again, I will give major credit to JK Rowlings. She took real control of her show and has a system where real fans are going and at affordable price for theater. I believe she knows with the prices she charges she will still make quite a bit of money and that is not even including the amount of merchandise that is sold for the shows. She has proven it can be done, I wish others would follow her lead.
The man is pushing 80 years old. I highly doubt he stays up at night worrying about how tickets are sold. He has a fee, and promoters charge a price they need to, to cover his fee and make money. Paul gets his $$$ regardless of 1 ticket being sold, or all tickets sold.
This ridiculous whining is so over the top and ridiculous by the "adults" here. Tickets were readily available for all to purchase, so as long as you can use a computer properly, and read basic instructions. Embarrassing to compare ticket sales to his show to Harry Potter LOL.
Why is it embarassing? It shows how somebody is attempting to stop scalpers and crazy 2nd market prices for a ticket. So you are basically calling people idiots and saying they don't know how to use a computer and read basic instructions - wow !!!
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Maccaroni1974 wrote:
Yankeefan2 wrote:
WixRocks wrote:
Yankeefan2 wrote:
WixRocks wrote:
This is all easily traceable back to the greed some of us were attempting to discuss in another thread. Paul simply doesn't care. He walks out with his cool million and a guarantee of a packed house no matter what...and he isn't the only one. It will never change. These big rock legends have about another decade MAX of this level of activity and popularity so they're going to soak it up for the rest of their lives.
Too bad these rock legends don't do what JK Rowlings has done to try and prevent scalpers from getting tickets to Harry Potter show in London. My family will be going to London and see it in December and you don't even get a ticket. You go to the box office the day/evening of the show to get ticket and need to show proof of purchase and photo id of the person who bought the tickets. I will also mention this show is reasonably priced especially when you compare it to seeing "Hamilton" in NYC.
Another excellent option! They simply don't care.
You are right, they are getting their money and that is all that matters. They know there is a market out there that will let them charge anything they want and will sell out. Does anybody really think the McCartney team cares about the fans on this board getting to see him in concert? I truly understand an artist wanting to make money but in his case he is a billonaire and can afford to make the prices more reasonable and still make a nice profit. In addition, think of the money he makes in merchandising when you are selling a t-shirt for $35-$50. Also, it seems to me he makes a bit of money (lol) on his sound check package and people are not even very close to the stage.
Once again, I will give major credit to JK Rowlings. She took real control of her show and has a system where real fans are going and at affordable price for theater. I believe she knows with the prices she charges she will still make quite a bit of money and that is not even including the amount of merchandise that is sold for the shows. She has proven it can be done, I wish others would follow her lead.
The man is pushing 80 years old. I highly doubt he stays up at night worrying about how tickets are sold. He has a fee, and promoters charge a price they need to, to cover his fee and make money. Paul gets his $$$ regardless of 1 ticket being sold, or all tickets sold.
This ridiculous whining is so over the top and ridiculous by the "adults" here. Tickets were readily available for all to purchase, so as long as you can use a computer properly, and read basic instructions. Embarrassing to compare ticket sales to his show to Harry Potter LOL.
Of course Paul doesn't lose any sleep over any of this but a lot of his fans do. People couldn't even get a verification number for some of the sales. Fans that have followed him for years! What the heck? I would like him to know about that. I don't know what show you were trying for or if you were even trying but tickets were not readily available at some venues.
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rhinehart@sky.com wrote:
Once again we find that tickets for the shows sell out in seconds (often before the published launch time) pre-sale on various websites (here and Amex) are nowhere to be seen, and suddenly they turn up at inflated prices on external sites.
Surely a company such as MPC can put together the muscle to make sure that the fans are not overlooked (perhaps they could have emailed fans who were near venues (100 miles or so and offered them first shout),. Perhaps it could have been organised through this site and not ticketmaster. Somebody with a brain far bigger than mine should have the answer.
I'm lucky that I got a ticket (also saw him in London last time) but what a struggle for the real fans.
Actually MPL has little to do with ticket sales. They use Ticketmaster , the largest and most organized seller of tickets in the world. Bruce Springsteen, another somewhat large act has been fighting scalpers for years and one of the first to use Verified Fan Sales. While the premise is good, people fail to take in effect just how strong the will is by wrong doers to defeat the controls you try to instill.
as a police officer of 25 years, I saw criminals find new ways to break the law in very creative ways. But back to ticket sales, there will always be secondary market tickets. Not only do you have organized Scalpers doing it, you have many regular folks doing it now to make some extra money. They buy tickets that they have no intention on going to with the express intention on selling. With EBay, StubHub, and even the resale tickets on the Ticketmaster site as well and others have made it easy for anyone to participate in these practices.
the time it would take to check ID's to tickets at the show would make things impossible.
The problem itself has been going on for many years and will continue to do so for many years to come. As more controls are attempted, new ways will be employed on getting around them.
Verified Fan Sales was supposed to be this bright, new defense against it and we all see how that worked out!!
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Acts way bigger than McCartney succesfully completely cut out touting for their shows, worldwide:
Adele, an record-breaking worldwide tour, all tickets on name: https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/team-adele-wage-war-on-ticket-touts-and-so-far-its-working/
Ed Sheeran, most popular pop act in the world at the moment, stadium status, all tickets on name, plus cancelled tickets being sold for higher prices after all: http://www.edsheeran.com/news/got-question-about-eds-european-tour-2018-38036 + http://www.businessinsider.com/ed-sheeran-cancelled-10000-gig-tickets-being-resold-at-higher-prices-2017-7
Arctic Monkeys, the most significant and best rock act in the last 20 years and biggest UK rock act, selling out multiple arena and stadium dates in seconds, all tickets on name. And not just for vain show, their manager is active in calling for a shutdown of secondary market sites: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/music/music-news/arctic-monkeys-boss-calls-government-12410256
Chance The Rapper, one of the most prominent rappers of the last few years, bought back secondary market tickets and sold them face value: https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7503657/chance-rapper-fights-ticket-scalpers-festival
Foo Fighters, tickets on name for big shows, stupid people who after all clear warnings still gambled on it being turned away: http://www.completemusicupdate.com/article/foo-fighters-apologise-to-fans-turned-away-from-o2-show/
The majority of these acts use Twickets as official non-profit reselling partner. The "it's impossible to enforce" or "we are not the law" or "we outsource ticket sales and it's out of our hands" argument doesn't count any more in 2018.
Mentioned acts play way bigger venues than McCartney, and manage to succesfully completely cut out touting. These acts truly care about the fans. McCartney's team choses not to care.
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Why can't ticketmaster or whoever issues the tickets just limit purchases to 4 tickets per credit card number. I'm sure the scalpers would just try to get hundreds of credit cards in order to buy more, but it would make things more for difficult for them.
Only problem I can see is that the company that provides front row and VIP seats with soundcheck packages might need to order 50 tickets, and would have to use different card numbers, but perhaps the concert artist could just gave the VIP company 50 tickets gratis and when they sell them could split the profits.
I think limiting tickets to 4 per credit card could be a start anyway. And only 2 tickets per person if paid by cash per driver's license number or other identification.
Anyway, just an idea.
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LadyLeslie wrote:
Why can't ticketmaster or whoever issues the tickets just limit purchases to 4 tickets per credit card number. I'm sure the scalpers would just try to get hundreds of credit cards in order to buy more, but it would make things more for difficult for them.
Only problem I can see is that the company that provides front row and VIP seats with soundcheck packages might need to order 50 tickets, and would have to use different card numbers, but perhaps the concert artist could just gave the VIP company 50 tickets gratis and when they sell them could split the profits. [..]
This isn't an issue. All those tickets/rows are being kept off the market for those companies, which got a deal with the artist. Which is a problem in itself.
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I can see that this is obviously a problem. Yes, I got the name of Paul's company wrong but the rush one person had to point this out was point scoring when another issue was at stake. Also somebody kept mentioning 'using a computer correctly'. This is rather patronising to those of us that can use a computer quite well. The general tone seems to be that if others can make it fair then Paul can do the same. Let's not forget how vast his empire actually is and how little it would actually take to divert resources. He would still get his money (but for most of us it's the fairness of the operation and not how much he earns).
Wouldn't it be better to fill an audience full of fans rather than those who are there to tick it off on there 'been to' list.
Is Paul too allof or detached to respond (through age or otherwise) I just don't know. I do know how much I love his work, how much he has played a part in my music and life and feel it is a shame that he doesn't put a variety of solutions in place.
P.S. My new album is out on 17th August. It's called Welcome to Smugville and is free because I've always thought getting stuff to fans was the most important part of the process.
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In the end, isn't it the best thing for them if 3/4 of the tickets are sold in 30 seconds to robots? After all, sold out is sold out...
I am starting to ask myself the question...
.When Thom Yorke came to paris this year, you had to show your I.D to enter the venue. If it didn't correspond the name on the ticket, you couldn't enter. People were warned when purchasing. Very simple solution.
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rhinehart@sky.com wrote:
I can see that this is obviously a problem. Yes, I got the name of Paul's company wrong but the rush one person had to point this out was point scoring when another issue was at stake. Also somebody kept mentioning 'using a computer correctly'. This is rather patronising to those of us that can use a computer quite well. The general tone seems to be that if others can make it fair then Paul can do the same. Let's not forget how vast his empire actually is and how little it would actually take to divert resources. He would still get his money (but for most of us it's the fairness of the operation and not how much he earns).
Wouldn't it be better to fill an audience full of fans rather than those who are there to tick it off on there 'been to' list.
Is Paul too allof or detached to respond (through age or otherwise) I just don't know. I do know how much I love his work, how much he has played a part in my music and life and feel it is a shame that he doesn't put a variety of solutions in place.
P.S. My new album is out on 17th August. It's called Welcome to Smugville and is free because I've always thought getting stuff to fans was the most important part of the process.
His audience seems to be full of fans, judging by the standing ovation he gets practically after every song.
This happens almost every tour. Some people don't get the tix they wanted, and blame Paul and everybody else like spoiled entitled children.
Again, I don't think a man pushing 80, with a large family, and is constantly traveling, worries too much about the ticket process. Again, judging by the crowd, it doesn't seem there are too many "look at me" people in the audience. Most seem to be a fan of at least some portion of his work.
Good luck with your "album", and getting it to your "fan(s)"
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pathom1973 wrote:
In the end, isn't it the best thing for them if 3/4 of the tickets are sold in 30 seconds to robots? After all, sold out is sold out...
I am starting to ask myself the question...
.When Thom Yorke came to paris this year, you had to show your I.D to enter the venue. If it didn't correspond the name on the ticket, you couldn't enter. People were warned when purchasing. Very simple solution.
At last the comunication for Krakow tickets today"The tickets for this concert are personalised. It means that when you place an order you need to enter the first and last name of each attendee, this is mandatory. The name of each attendee will be printed on each ticket. Tickets will be checked on entry to the venue to ensure the attendee name on the ticket matches the name on the attendee ID"
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Why is everybody fighting on this forum at the moment, shouldn't we all be on the same page, or at least a similar one..?
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One aspect that I don't think has been taken into consideration when applying for these concerts is how people who are not on the internet have virtually no chance of ever obtaining tickets.
Here in the UK, one in ten households do not have internet access and 30% of all OAP's have never been on-line. So statistically, a third of all Macca fans over 65 are potentially stuffed.
Sadly there must be a large section of Macca fans who don't even have the opportunity to get ripped off !! Back to the trad methods of queuing outside the box-office for tickets.
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Kestrel wrote:
One aspect that I don't think has been taken into consideration when applying for these concerts is how people who are not on the internet have virtually no chance of ever obtaining tickets.
Here in the UK, one in ten households do not have internet access and 30% of all OAP's have never been on-line. So statistically, a third of all Macca fans over 65 are potentially stuffed.
Sadly there must be a large section of Macca fans who don't even have the opportunity to get ripped off !! Back to the trad methods of queuing outside the box-office for tickets.
Unfortunately it is an internet world, fans have to learn to adapt. The days of going to your local Ticketmaster are gone....long ago. There are Internet cafes and libraries that offer either free or for fee usage so there are avenues. And because everything is digital, all gigs have worldwide competition for a very small amount of tickets
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Bob Gannon wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
One aspect that I don't think has been taken into consideration when applying for these concerts is how people who are not on the internet have virtually no chance of ever obtaining tickets.
Here in the UK, one in ten households do not have internet access and 30% of all OAP's have never been on-line. So statistically, a third of all Macca fans over 65 are potentially stuffed.
Sadly there must be a large section of Macca fans who don't even have the opportunity to get ripped off !! Back to the trad methods of queuing outside the box-office for tickets.
Unfortunately it is an internet world, fans have to learn to adapt. The days of going to your local Ticketmaster are gone....long ago. There are Internet cafes and libraries that offer either free or for fee usage so there are avenues. And because everything is digital, all gigs have worldwide competition for a very small amount of tickets
'Unfortunately' is the right word.
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I haven’t been on this site for many years but boy I am SO mad I just had to post my view!
£300!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!
YOU CAN STICK WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE MACCA
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sarah1471 wrote:
I haven’t been on this site for many years but boy I am SO mad I just had to post my view!
£300!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!
YOU CAN STICK WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE MACCA
VIP or from secondary ticket resellers or touts maybe but "standard" tickets were something like £45 - £140. Not cheap admittedly but not £300. Where the sun don't shine? Isn't that Aberdeen?
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sarah1471 wrote:
I haven’t been on this site for many years but boy I am SO mad I just had to post my view!
£300!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!
YOU CAN STICK WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE MACCA
Is that for a regular priced ticket? Our prices in the U.S. are much higher, well, at least for the V.I.P. tickets. For a Gold V.I.P. which gives you a seat around rows 8 -12 and some merchandise, it is $850, which today is £646.75!
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Tickets on Viaggo ( I think that’s the spelling).
Look I’m 53 and have been a MASSIVE fan since I was 13 ( sh*t that’s 40 yrs I’ve just realised ) I’m lucky I have seen him live 5 times, Fun Club member etc ............BUT £300 is just crazy!!!!!!! I just don’t have that sort of money in this economic climate. The only tickets I would have been able to afford ( when they were first on sale) would have been the ‘nosebleed’ seats . If you’ve ever been to the 02 trust me they are the scariest seats EVER!
good luck to all the true macca fans out there trying to see him
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Nancy that’s for side view halfway back