New album by Ringo, titled Postcards from Paradise
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DrummerFromFife:
Sgt._Pepper:
Hendrix Ibsen:
I agree, I read reviews of Ringo and it's side up and side down of what he is not, he is not the greatest drummer, he was not the greatest drummer in The Beatles (said John Lennon reputedly), he is not a great songwriter, not a great singer, his solo albums is not this and not that... not not "Not Looking Back".
John never said that. It's actually from a comedian's stand up routine in the early 80s.
And as a Ringo fan, I'm sick to death of that being used against him, without people realising it's probably not due to be taken seriously
Correct. John NEVER uttered that comment. ALL of The Beatles loved Ringo's drumming. If only Ringo had drummed on Back In The USSR...
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Sgt._Pepper:
Hendrix Ibsen:
I agree, I read reviews of Ringo and it's side up and side down of what he is not, he is not the greatest drummer, he was not the greatest drummer in The Beatles (said John Lennon reputedly), he is not a great songwriter, not a great singer, his solo albums is not this and not that... not not "Not Looking Back".
John never said that. It's actually from a comedian's stand up routine in the early 80s.
Jasper Carrott, apparently.
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Ringo was nowhere near as innovative as the other 3 when it came to musicianship, with the exceptions of Rain and A Day in the Life. Paul had to teach Ringo how to be innovative on Ticket to Ride. I actually prefer Paul's drumming on the later Beatles'/early solo records as it was far more interesting. Get Back, for example, sounds so thin and boring with Ringo's plodding style & could have been much more rich & dynamic with more creative drumming. Most praise Ringo for a "steady beat", but many of the Beatles' songs screamed for dynamic drumming. IMO, Beatles's songs would have sounded so much better with a Keith Moon on drums.
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JoeySmith:
Ringo was nowhere near as innovative as the other 3 when it came to musicianship, with the exceptions of Rain and A Day in the Life. Paul had to teach Ringo how to be innovative on Ticket to Ride. I actually prefer Paul's drumming on the later Beatles'/early solo records as it was far more interesting. Get Back, for example, sounds so thin and boring with Ringo's plodding style & could have been much more rich & dynamic with more creative drumming. Most praise Ringo for a "steady beat", but many of the Beatles' songs screamed for dynamic drumming. IMO, Beatles's songs would have sounded so much better with a Keith Moon on drums.
I'm willing to bet many people would disagree with you Joey. I personally do. I've listened to the songs Paul played on, The Ballad of John and Yoko, Back in the USSR, and Dear Prudence... Paul on the drums sounds nowhere near as interesting as Ringo.
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DrummerFromFife:
JoeySmith:
Ringo was nowhere near as innovative as the other 3 when it came to musicianship, with the exceptions of Rain and A Day in the Life. Paul had to teach Ringo how to be innovative on Ticket to Ride. I actually prefer Paul's drumming on the later Beatles'/early solo records as it was far more interesting. Get Back, for example, sounds so thin and boring with Ringo's plodding style & could have been much more rich & dynamic with more creative drumming. Most praise Ringo for a "steady beat", but many of the Beatles' songs screamed for dynamic drumming. IMO, Beatles's songs would have sounded so much better with a Keith Moon on drums.
I'm willing to bet many people would disagree with you Joey. I personally do. I've listened to the songs Paul played on, The Ballad of John and Yoko, Back in the USSR, and Dear Prudence... Paul on the drums sounds nowhere near as interesting as Ringo.
I never even knew it was Paul drumming on those songs until recent years!
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Nancy R:
DrummerFromFife:
JoeySmith:
Ringo was nowhere near as innovative as the other 3 when it came to musicianship, with the exceptions of Rain and A Day in the Life. Paul had to teach Ringo how to be innovative on Ticket to Ride. I actually prefer Paul's drumming on the later Beatles'/early solo records as it was far more interesting. Get Back, for example, sounds so thin and boring with Ringo's plodding style & could have been much more rich & dynamic with more creative drumming. Most praise Ringo for a "steady beat", but many of the Beatles' songs screamed for dynamic drumming. IMO, Beatles's songs would have sounded so much better with a Keith Moon on drums.
I'm willing to bet many people would disagree with you Joey. I personally do. I've listened to the songs Paul played on, The Ballad of John and Yoko, Back in the USSR, and Dear Prudence... Paul on the drums sounds nowhere near as interesting as Ringo.
I never even knew it was Paul drumming on those songs until recent years!
If it helps, those songs were recorded whilst Ringo was on temporary leave from the band.
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DrummerFromFife:
Nancy R:
DrummerFromFife:
JoeySmith:
Ringo was nowhere near as innovative as the other 3 when it came to musicianship, with the exceptions of Rain and A Day in the Life. Paul had to teach Ringo how to be innovative on Ticket to Ride. I actually prefer Paul's drumming on the later Beatles'/early solo records as it was far more interesting. Get Back, for example, sounds so thin and boring with Ringo's plodding style & could have been much more rich & dynamic with more creative drumming. Most praise Ringo for a "steady beat", but many of the Beatles' songs screamed for dynamic drumming. IMO, Beatles's songs would have sounded so much better with a Keith Moon on drums.
I'm willing to bet many people would disagree with you Joey. I personally do. I've listened to the songs Paul played on, The Ballad of John and Yoko, Back in the USSR, and Dear Prudence... Paul on the drums sounds nowhere near as interesting as Ringo.
I never even knew it was Paul drumming on those songs until recent years!
If it helps, those songs were recorded whilst Ringo was on temporary leave from the band.
I know! I knew then that Ringo had temporarily left the band, but nobody (at the time) was aware that Paul had taken over drumming. (the general public I mean)
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Nancy R:
DrummerFromFife:
Nancy R:
DrummerFromFife:
JoeySmith:
Ringo was nowhere near as innovative as the other 3 when it came to musicianship, with the exceptions of Rain and A Day in the Life. Paul had to teach Ringo how to be innovative on Ticket to Ride. I actually prefer Paul's drumming on the later Beatles'/early solo records as it was far more interesting. Get Back, for example, sounds so thin and boring with Ringo's plodding style & could have been much more rich & dynamic with more creative drumming. Most praise Ringo for a "steady beat", but many of the Beatles' songs screamed for dynamic drumming. IMO, Beatles's songs would have sounded so much better with a Keith Moon on drums.
I'm willing to bet many people would disagree with you Joey. I personally do. I've listened to the songs Paul played on, The Ballad of John and Yoko, Back in the USSR, and Dear Prudence... Paul on the drums sounds nowhere near as interesting as Ringo.
I never even knew it was Paul drumming on those songs until recent years!
If it helps, those songs were recorded whilst Ringo was on temporary leave from the band.
I know! I knew then that Ringo had temporarily left the band, but nobody (at the time) was aware that Paul had taken over drumming. (the general public I mean)
I think it was kept relatively quiet at the time. I only found out a year or two ago. I'm listening to Dear Prudence... Hey, something sounds different... Wait, that's not Ringo?. That's the thing about Paul's drumming. Either I don't notice he's not Ringo, or I know he's Ringo, and I notice his drumming is underwhelming compared to Ritchie's drumming.
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JoeySmith:
Ringo was nowhere near as innovative as the other 3 when it came to musicianship, with the exceptions of Rain and A Day in the Life. Paul had to teach Ringo how to be innovative on Ticket to Ride. I actually prefer Paul's drumming on the later Beatles'/early solo records as it was far more interesting. Get Back, for example, sounds so thin and boring with Ringo's plodding style & could have been much more rich & dynamic with more creative drumming. Most praise Ringo for a "steady beat", but many of the Beatles' songs screamed for dynamic drumming. IMO, Beatles's songs would have sounded so much better with a Keith Moon on drums.
I think people make much too much about Paul "telling" Ringo how to play on Ticket To Ride. Musicians and songwriters are ALWAYS directing drummers and other musicians in bands. It is a fantasy to think every band member in every band creates their parts all by themselves with no one's input. I bet John sometimes told Paul what he wanted on a song, or George probably vocalized what he wanted from the others. It's no big deal. I'll bet Paul can't play the drum part Ringo does on I Feel Fine. Ringo can play EVERY kind of beat and music style, from his days with Rory Storm. Paul played drums on some Beatle songs because he did not have the patience to have Ringo learn what Paul wanted. It was NOT because Paul could play it and Ringo could not. Your comments about how the Beatles songs could have used better drumming is myopic, and really kind of ignorant about music and music history. Are you suggesting with another drummer the Beatles would have been a bigger band??? Ridiculous. Those records were hits because EVERY band member was doing exactly what they needed to do on the song. The drummer is crucial in determining the mood and vibe of a song. Ringo was the perfect drummer for the Beatles. Sorry, but the whole world disagrees with you.
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JoeySmith:
Ringo was nowhere near as innovative as the other 3 when it came to musicianship, with the exceptions of Rain and A Day in the Life. Paul had to teach Ringo how to be innovative on Ticket to Ride. I actually prefer Paul's drumming on the later Beatles'/early solo records as it was far more interesting. Get Back, for example, sounds so thin and boring with Ringo's plodding style & could have been much more rich & dynamic with more creative drumming. Most praise Ringo for a "steady beat", but many of the Beatles' songs screamed for dynamic drumming. IMO, Beatles's songs would have sounded so much better with a Keith Moon on drums.
Ringo's drumming on She Loves You and I Want to Hold Your Hand is revolutionary! Nobody heard drumming like that on records before. And he played like crazy live. See the Royal Variety Performance and the Washington DC Concert if you doubt it. Keith Moon was fine for The Who. Not for The Beatles!
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beatlesfanrandy:
JoeySmith:
Ringo was nowhere near as innovative as the other 3 when it came to musicianship, with the exceptions of Rain and A Day in the Life. Paul had to teach Ringo how to be innovative on Ticket to Ride. I actually prefer Paul's drumming on the later Beatles'/early solo records as it was far more interesting. Get Back, for example, sounds so thin and boring with Ringo's plodding style & could have been much more rich & dynamic with more creative drumming. Most praise Ringo for a "steady beat", but many of the Beatles' songs screamed for dynamic drumming. IMO, Beatles's songs would have sounded so much better with a Keith Moon on drums.
Ringo's drumming on She Loves You and I Want to Hold Your Hand is revolutionary! Nobody heard drumming like that on records before. And he played like crazy live. See the Royal Variety Performance and the Washington DC Concert if you doubt it. Keith Moon was fine for The Who. Not for The Beatles!
Since we're talking about exceptional drumming of Richard Starkey from 1962 to 1969... What are peoples' thoughts on What You're Doing? That's probably one of my favourite drum pieces in the history of Beatles music
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DrummerFromFife:
beatlesfanrandy:
JoeySmith:
Ringo was nowhere near as innovative as the other 3 when it came to musicianship, with the exceptions of Rain and A Day in the Life. Paul had to teach Ringo how to be innovative on Ticket to Ride. I actually prefer Paul's drumming on the later Beatles'/early solo records as it was far more interesting. Get Back, for example, sounds so thin and boring with Ringo's plodding style & could have been much more rich & dynamic with more creative drumming. Most praise Ringo for a "steady beat", but many of the Beatles' songs screamed for dynamic drumming. IMO, Beatles's songs would have sounded so much better with a Keith Moon on drums.
Ringo's drumming on She Loves You and I Want to Hold Your Hand is revolutionary! Nobody heard drumming like that on records before. And he played like crazy live. See the Royal Variety Performance and the Washington DC Concert if you doubt it. Keith Moon was fine for The Who. Not for The Beatles!
Since we're talking about exceptional drumming of Richard Starkey from 1962 to 1969... What are peoples' thoughts on What You're Doing? That's probably one of my favourite drum pieces in the history of Beatles music
Yes! Love that song and the drumming in it! Wish Paul would do it in concert.
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Nancy R:
DrummerFromFife:
beatlesfanrandy:
JoeySmith:
Ringo was nowhere near as innovative as the other 3 when it came to musicianship, with the exceptions of Rain and A Day in the Life. Paul had to teach Ringo how to be innovative on Ticket to Ride. I actually prefer Paul's drumming on the later Beatles'/early solo records as it was far more interesting. Get Back, for example, sounds so thin and boring with Ringo's plodding style & could have been much more rich & dynamic with more creative drumming. Most praise Ringo for a "steady beat", but many of the Beatles' songs screamed for dynamic drumming. IMO, Beatles's songs would have sounded so much better with a Keith Moon on drums.
Ringo's drumming on She Loves You and I Want to Hold Your Hand is revolutionary! Nobody heard drumming like that on records before. And he played like crazy live. See the Royal Variety Performance and the Washington DC Concert if you doubt it. Keith Moon was fine for The Who. Not for The Beatles!
Since we're talking about exceptional drumming of Richard Starkey from 1962 to 1969... What are peoples' thoughts on What You're Doing? That's probably one of my favourite drum pieces in the history of Beatles music
Yes! Love that song and the drumming in it! Wish Paul would do it in concert.
Yes, totally agree on that, and I agree with the comments above, that Ringo was just the right drummer for the Beatles. I've never thought there was anything lacking in the drumming. Ringo is rarely flashy, he just brings to the song what it needs.
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favoritething:
Nancy R:
DrummerFromFife:
beatlesfanrandy:
JoeySmith:
Ringo was nowhere near as innovative as the other 3 when it came to musicianship, with the exceptions of Rain and A Day in the Life. Paul had to teach Ringo how to be innovative on Ticket to Ride. I actually prefer Paul's drumming on the later Beatles'/early solo records as it was far more interesting. Get Back, for example, sounds so thin and boring with Ringo's plodding style & could have been much more rich & dynamic with more creative drumming. Most praise Ringo for a "steady beat", but many of the Beatles' songs screamed for dynamic drumming. IMO, Beatles's songs would have sounded so much better with a Keith Moon on drums.
Ringo's drumming on She Loves You and I Want to Hold Your Hand is revolutionary! Nobody heard drumming like that on records before. And he played like crazy live. See the Royal Variety Performance and the Washington DC Concert if you doubt it. Keith Moon was fine for The Who. Not for The Beatles!
Since we're talking about exceptional drumming of Richard Starkey from 1962 to 1969... What are peoples' thoughts on What You're Doing? That's probably one of my favourite drum pieces in the history of Beatles music
Yes! Love that song and the drumming in it! Wish Paul would do it in concert.
Yes, totally agree on that, and I agree with the comments above, that Ringo was just the right drummer for the Beatles. I've never thought there was anything lacking in the drumming. Ringo is rarely flashy, he just brings to the song what it needs.
I think the reasons why people hate Ringo is because they seem to think, especially these days, that most drummers have to play wild drum solos in order to be considered good. What they need to realise is it's not how wild a solo you can play, it's how well you can add to a song. That's why other people think Ringo's one of the greatest. He always comes up with a perfect drum piece for whatever song he's playing for. I honestly can't think of a song that had a bad drum piece with him behind the kit
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DrummerFromFife:
I think the reasons why people hate Ringo is because they seem to think, especially these days, that most drummers have to play wild drum solos in order to be considered good. What they need to realise is it's not how wild a solo you can play, it's how well you can add to a song. That's why other people think Ringo's one of the greatest. He always comes up with a perfect drum piece for whatever song he's playing for. I honestly can't think of a song that had a bad drum piece with him behind the kit
I attended the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony this weekend, and before each person was inducted, a short video about them was shown. I am hoping these videos are made part of the HBO broadcast of the ceremony on May 30, because the one for Ringo was terrific. Several very well-known drummers - Dave Grohl, Tres Cool from Green Day; Stewart Copeland, Max Weinberg, and a couple of others - were shown sitting at Ringo's kit, and each one of them offered their opinion as to why he is such a great drummer.
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thenightfish:
DrummerFromFife:
I think the reasons why people hate Ringo is because they seem to think, especially these days, that most drummers have to play wild drum solos in order to be considered good. What they need to realise is it's not how wild a solo you can play, it's how well you can add to a song. That's why other people think Ringo's one of the greatest. He always comes up with a perfect drum piece for whatever song he's playing for. I honestly can't think of a song that had a bad drum piece with him behind the kit
I attended the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony this weekend, and before each person was inducted, a short video about them was shown. I am hoping these videos are made part of the HBO broadcast of the ceremony on May 30, because the one for Ringo was terrific. Several very well-known drummers - Dave Grohl, Tres Cool from Green Day; Stewart Copeland, Max Weinberg, and a couple of others - were shown sitting at Ringo's kit, and each one of them offered their opinion as to why he is such a great drummer.
I was there too. Yeah, that was fantastic. They almost all, is not all of them, said that Ringo brings to the song what it needs. That was a high compliment, in my opinion.
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Fan4-45years:
thenightfish:
DrummerFromFife:
I think the reasons why people hate Ringo is because they seem to think, especially these days, that most drummers have to play wild drum solos in order to be considered good. What they need to realise is it's not how wild a solo you can play, it's how well you can add to a song. That's why other people think Ringo's one of the greatest. He always comes up with a perfect drum piece for whatever song he's playing for. I honestly can't think of a song that had a bad drum piece with him behind the kit
I attended the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony this weekend, and before each person was inducted, a short video about them was shown. I am hoping these videos are made part of the HBO broadcast of the ceremony on May 30, because the one for Ringo was terrific. Several very well-known drummers - Dave Grohl, Tres Cool from Green Day; Stewart Copeland, Max Weinberg, and a couple of others - were shown sitting at Ringo's kit, and each one of them offered their opinion as to why he is such a great drummer.
I was there too. Yeah, that was fantastic. They almost all, is not all of them, said that Ringo brings to the song what it needs. That was a high compliment, in my opinion.
I wasn't there. Did Gregg Bissonette appear? He has been playing with Ringo on and off for 12 years now? It'd only seem natural to go to the drummers that Ringo has toured with over the past 25 years, they'd have plenty to say about him.
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DrummerFromFife:
Fan4-45years:
thenightfish:
I attended the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony this weekend, and before each person was inducted, a short video about them was shown. I am hoping these videos are made part of the HBO broadcast of the ceremony on May 30, because the one for Ringo was terrific. Several very well-known drummers - Dave Grohl, Tres Cool from Green Day; Stewart Copeland, Max Weinberg, and a couple of others - were shown sitting at Ringo's kit, and each one of them offered their opinion as to why he is such a great drummer.
I was there too. Yeah, that was fantastic. They almost all, is not all of them, said that Ringo brings to the song what it needs. That was a high compliment, in my opinion.
I wasn't there. Did Gregg Bissonette appear? He has been playing with Ringo on and off for 12 years now? It'd only seem natural to go to the drummers that Ringo has toured with over the past 25 years, they'd have plenty to say about him.
No, Greg was not in the video. There was at least one other drummer besides the ones I mentioned but I just can't remember who it is. ops:
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thenightfish:
DrummerFromFife:
Fan4-45years:
thenightfish:
I attended the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony this weekend, and before each person was inducted, a short video about them was shown. I am hoping these videos are made part of the HBO broadcast of the ceremony on May 30, because the one for Ringo was terrific. Several very well-known drummers - Dave Grohl, Tres Cool from Green Day; Stewart Copeland, Max Weinberg, and a couple of others - were shown sitting at Ringo's kit, and each one of them offered their opinion as to why he is such a great drummer.
I was there too. Yeah, that was fantastic. They almost all, is not all of them, said that Ringo brings to the song what it needs. That was a high compliment, in my opinion.
I wasn't there. Did Gregg Bissonette appear? He has been playing with Ringo on and off for 12 years now? It'd only seem natural to go to the drummers that Ringo has toured with over the past 25 years, they'd have plenty to say about him.
No, Greg was not in the video. There was at least one other drummer besides the ones I mentioned but I just can't remember who it is. ops:
My brain is screaming "Jim Keltner!"... but odds are I'm wrong
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Ok lads, I've bought the CD and a few songs grew on me but still most compositions are weak, predictable and pedestrian. Touch and go, Rory and Not looking back are decent tracks, the rest gets a Nay from me.