"White Album" - what are the best things about it?
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Erik in NJ:
Nancy R:
Erik in NJ:
I'm on a train right now commuting to work and I'm naked! BTW, I loved Al Capp's lines in the Stevie Riks parody when he talked about Two Virgins:
(The real interview with Al Capp is just as hilarious!)Did you watch that crazy ad before it where the one cousin is constantly trying to kill the other etc.? And he keeps yelling at him "I'm a vegetarian, bi*ch!"
No I haven't seen it....where is it? On the same video? And I thought you were going to comment on my attire on the train this AM
Yes, go back and click on that link and don't skip the "ad" or whatever the hell that is! You mean your attire, or lack thereof? No comment for fear of being banned!
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Yes, I was listening to Revolution 9 on the way to work and the thought overcame me to simply bare my soul ops: A woman did stop to ask me why my pet hedgehog had such a long nose
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Erik in NJ:
Yes, I was listening to Revolution 9 on the way to work and the thought overcame me to simply bare my soul ops: A woman did stop to ask me why my pet hedgehog had such a long nose
(for those who are shaking their heads in confusion, watch the Steve Riks video of Al Capp and John & Yoko)
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Nancy R:
Sorry, but I'm with Erik on the Revolution #9 subject. That "sound collage" did not belong on a Beatles album. John should have saved it for "Unfinished Music No. 3." He was just being self-indulgent imo.
Um...excuse me, but he was being John Lennon. That man dared to do and say more than most of us could even begin to imagine. It was about mind expansion. I guess most of us have forgotten all about that. But it's part of the White Album and it will be in 200 years, and people will still be listening to it and talking about it and liking it and not liking it. And that's the best thing about it!
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beatlesfanrandy:
Nancy R:
Sorry, but I'm with Erik on the Revolution #9 subject. That "sound collage" did not belong on a Beatles album. John should have saved it for "Unfinished Music No. 3." He was just being self-indulgent imo.
Um...excuse me, but he was being John Lennon. That man dared to do and say more than most of us could even begin to imagine. It's was about mind expansion. I guess most of us have forgotten all about that. But it's part of the White Album and it will be in 200 years, and people will still be listening to it and talking about it and liking it and not liking it. And that's the best thing about it!
We seem to have armchair musicians and armchair producers here rewriting beatle history for us. One even has an assosiates degree...in karaoke!
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I guess Nancy and I just have a difference of opinion with some of you. We feel that a track that made it onto a Beatle album shouldn't suck!
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Erik in NJ:
I guess Nancy and I just have a difference of opinion with some of you. We feel that a track that made it onto a Beatle album shouldn't suck!
I don't like every track on every Beatles album. I don't even like some of the White Album. I guess I could do without Paul's Wild Honey Pie. But I do like Revolution 9, simply because it is Lennon and it's totally unique.
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Regarding the "Revolution 9" discussion I do respect others' opinions but to me that "song" for the most part represents the musical embodiment of Yoko's abstract art and thinking processes. For those who enjoy that collage, I wonder what you would have thought of it if you had only heard it without knowing who participated in it, who conceived it, whose voices and sound effects were used on it. I can't help but think that it would not be as well accepted if it had been presented as being from an unknown artist. The "John Lennon Influence" goes a long way on this one IMO. If this qualifies as music, what exactly would NOT qualify as music? If I bang pots and pans together for eight "unique" minutes does that count or would it need to be done by John Lennon/Yoko Ono in order to have people think it had artistic significance?
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"I Am Still Learning" ~ Michelangelo RU3?
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Scarlett14:
Regarding the "Revolution 9" discussion I do respect others' opinions but to me that "song" for the most part represents the musical embodiment of Yoko's abstract art and thinking processes. For those who enjoy that collage, I wonder what you would have thought of it if you had only heard it without knowing who participated in it, who conceived it, whose voices and sound effects were used on it. I can't help but think that it would not be as well accepted if it had been presented as being from an unknown artist. The "John Lennon Influence" goes a long way on this one IMO. If this qualifies as music, what exactly would NOT qualify as music? If I bang pots and pans together for eight "unique" minutes does that count or would it need to be done by John Lennon/Yoko Ono in order to have people think it had artistic significance?
God Forbid...That John Lennon...Had Any Influence On...The Beatles...LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Scarlett14:
Regarding the "Revolution 9" discussion I do respect others' opinions but to me that "song" for the most part represents the musical embodiment of Yoko's abstract art and thinking processes. For those who enjoy that collage, I wonder what you would have thought of it if you had only heard it without knowing who participated in it, who conceived it, whose voices and sound effects were used on it. I can't help but think that it would not be as well accepted if it had been presented as being from an unknown artist. The "John Lennon Influence" goes a long way on this one IMO. If this qualifies as music, what exactly would NOT qualify as music? If I bang pots and pans together for eight "unique" minutes does that count or would it need to be done by John Lennon/Yoko Ono in order to have people think it had artistic significance?
Good points indeed Scarlett! I was thinking something similar such as if that if Revolution 9 had been done by let's say a musician of the caliber of Rick Springfield would anyone have paid it a lick of attention--certainly in 100 or 200 years no one would even know it existed.
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^^ In the same vein of thinking I am suddenly reminded of that fabulous piece of musical art called McCartney II. It certainly is different. It is not the average song format, and it totally rocks my socks off! (There I go again. ) Just thought of McCartney II. and the interesting sound experimentation. Not just that album though, Paul plays with everyday noises and incorporates them into songs all the time. How bout The Fireman? I mean really how much more experimental can one get? I love it. It is just that Paul did those albums. If John had been credited I bet some would hate it just because John did it instead.
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If it was a John-Paul collaboration, I would have no problem with Revolution 9. But it was a pure John-Yoko collaboration, & its not the Beatles. This leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Similarly, I have no problem with "weird" or "Yoko" songs, like You Know My Name & The Ballad of John & Yoko because Paul played a major roll in it. And for those who say John & Paul wrote "solo" Beatle songs inspired by their girlfriend/wives, its a big difference to be inspired & write a song in the Beatles tradition & writing an avant guard piece in collaboration by a wife partner.
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^^ I get you. But I just see the whole beautiful album as a whole effort of all four Beatles, plus a few helpers, and I am not referring to the women as the helpers. You can tell mostly who was the real creative force behind each song, and it is not always all four Beatles. It can be mostly John, mostly Paul, etc.. I am just thankful the album is in existence and I own a copy.
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Scarlett14:
Regarding the "Revolution 9" discussion I do respect others' opinions but to me that "song" for the most part represents the musical embodiment of Yoko's abstract art and thinking processes. For those who enjoy that collage, I wonder what you would have thought of it if you had only heard it without knowing who participated in it, who conceived it, whose voices and sound effects were used on it. I can't help but think that it would not be as well accepted if it had been presented as being from an unknown artist. The "John Lennon Influence" goes a long way on this one IMO. If this qualifies as music, what exactly would NOT qualify as music? If I bang pots and pans together for eight "unique" minutes does that count or would it need to be done by John Lennon/Yoko Ono in order to have people think it had artistic significance?
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hey_kittay:
^^ In the same vein of thinking I am suddenly reminded of that fabulous piece of musical art called McCartney II. It certainly is different. It is not the average song format, and it totally rocks my socks off! (There I go again. ) Just thought of McCartney II. and the interesting sound experimentation. Not just that album though, Paul plays with everyday noises and incorporates them into songs all the time. How bout The Fireman? I mean really how much more experimental can one get? I love it. It is just that Paul did those albums. If John had been credited I bet some would hate it just because John did it instead.
This is where you're wrong. I love most of Paul's stuff, but I don't like most of the Fireman stuff at all. Also dislike Twin Freaks. I don't care who does that type of "music" (Paul or John), I am not a fan.
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^^ Sorry then Nancy. I really dig that sound experimentation. I have no idea exactly what it is I like so much. I also enjoy listening to white noise as well. Who knows why we like certain things. But we love The Beatles, at least most of us.
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hey_kittay:
^^ Sorry then Nancy. I really dig that sound experimentation. I have no idea exactly what it is I like so much. I also enjoy listening to white noise as well. Who knows why we like certain things. But we love The Beatles, at least most of us.
Funny you mention white noise as I have a Bose Wave Radio on my nighttable that I used to set up to wake me to music. I don't mind so much being woken by beautiful music (prefer meolid jazz, like a Bossa Nova as I don't like to be Rock and Rolled out of bed in the AM). The problem is that sometimes the DJs are talking or there is a commercial which I can't stand being woken to. So I started to set the radio in between stations to "white noise" to wake to. It's great! I thought I was an innovator Then I looked on-line and see all sorts of clock radios that wake you to white noise, nature sounds, etc. So much for my brilliant idea, but I find being woken to white noise to be very relaxing.
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Nancy R:
hey_kittay:
^^ In the same vein of thinking I am suddenly reminded of that fabulous piece of musical art called McCartney II. It certainly is different. It is not the average song format, and it totally rocks my socks off! (There I go again. ) Just thought of McCartney II. and the interesting sound experimentation. Not just that album though, Paul plays with everyday noises and incorporates them into songs all the time. How bout The Fireman? I mean really how much more experimental can one get? I love it. It is just that Paul did those albums. If John had been credited I bet some would hate it just because John did it instead.
This is where you're wrong. I love most of Paul's stuff, but I don't like most of the Fireman stuff at all. Also dislike Twin Freaks. I don't care who does that type of "music" (Paul or John), I am not a fan.
You don't like Twin Freaks? I think it is very cool. Love it. I even have the cover reproduced on my desk here. (Paul's paintings) And the music is some of the preshow songs. oh yeah! I needa!
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Erik in NJ:
Funny you mention white noise as I have a Bose Wave Radio on my nighttable that I used to set up to wake me to music. I don't mind so much being woken by beautiful music (prefer meolid jazz, like a Bossa Nova as I don't like to be Rock and Rolled out of bed in the AM). The problem is that sometimes the DJs are talking or there is a commercial which I can't stand being woken to. So I started to set the radio in between stations to "white noise" to wake to. It's great! I thought I was an innovator Then I looked on-line and see all sorts of clock radios that wake you to white noise, nature sounds, etc. So much for my brilliant idea, but I find being woken to white noise to be very relaxing.
Hi Erik, So, you're saying you thought you were the Yoko Ono of clock radios then?