George's criticisms of Macca
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jlw44:
appletart2:
jlw44:
If you call preaching the same song over and over and playing the same guitar solo over and over a great creative mind then I guess he was one, but once he perfected that slide thing, it's all you hear. And his melodies mimic his own and others. His one later year 'hit' wasn't even his own composition, not that it matters, but he was reaching. And Brainwashed is dull. It has a few moments, the title song certainly not being one of them, especially since he is attempting to brianwash others during the song. I've listened to George extensively as I try to listen to all the Beatles solo work and quite honestly I find Ringo more diverse. At least he tried to change his sound with different producers. George was a one or two trick pony, and while some of his songs are pleasant, I still have to say that his work with the Beatles was greatly enhanced by the other musicians he used, including Paul, and after years of listening to the masters he came up with a few great songs.
Yea Here comes the sun, the most downloaded song of all the Beatles.. Quality not quantity that what I'm saying.
As I said, the song would have been nothing without the input of the others, especially Paul in this particular case.
it seems to be lost to a lot of people, the work Paul put into the others songs.
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luigiram:
I wouldn't even compare John' and George's nastiness towards Paul.. John was openly nasty after the breakup and was quite complimentary of afterwords...even if he was critical of Paul, he'd praise him in the same interview,According to Andy Peebles, in his last interview with John 2 days before he died he brought up Paul every few minutes and was trying to find out desperately what Paul thought of Double Fantasy... The quote I remember from Peebles word for word was "the only two opinions that mattered to John were yoko Ono's and Paul McCartneys"!! George never gave a rats ass about anything Paul did or what he thought..All he ever wanted was to please John and be tight with John... Remember the quote, "oh John would have been a Wilbury in a second"... Oh really.. i don't think john would have ever done that.. Got to give Paul credit for not going full bore with the supergroups and all star recording sessions like the other 3 did..
I think you're right about this. From George's early life following John and Cyn around, it was clear George idolized John. Unfortunately for George, John never saw him as an equal or as someone he wanted to write songs with. Maybe that's why George resented Paul so deeply. It was jealousy more than anything. My theory is that George thought he would replace Paul when the Lennon-McCartney bond fell apart. But John seemingly never considered that. He replaced Paul with Yoko. Perhaps that explains why -- out of George, Paul, and Ringo -- it was George who was the most blunt and negative about Yoko in the studio (both at the time and even years later in the Anthology. Jealousy, again. And John said some pretty critical things about George, too, over the years. I remember one interview where he was asked about George's intellect. And John said it was "an inch deep." And Yoko agreed in that interview. Notice, though, how George never publicly attacked John the way he attacked Paul. George cut John all kinds of slack. I guess I can understand George's resentment in all of this. I just think he often took it out on the wrong person.
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Michelley:
luigiram:
I wouldn't even compare John' and George's nastiness towards Paul.. John was openly nasty after the breakup and was quite complimentary of afterwords...even if he was critical of Paul, he'd praise him in the same interview,According to Andy Peebles, in his last interview with John 2 days before he died he brought up Paul every few minutes and was trying to find out desperately what Paul thought of Double Fantasy... The quote I remember from Peebles word for word was "the only two opinions that mattered to John were yoko Ono's and Paul McCartneys"!! George never gave a rats ass about anything Paul did or what he thought..All he ever wanted was to please John and be tight with John... Remember the quote, "oh John would have been a Wilbury in a second"... Oh really.. i don't think john would have ever done that.. Got to give Paul credit for not going full bore with the supergroups and all star recording sessions like the other 3 did..
I think you're right about this. From George's early life following John and Cyn around, it was clear George idolized John. Unfortunately for George, John never saw him as an equal or as someone he wanted to write songs with. Maybe that's why George resented Paul so deeply. It was jealousy more than anything. My theory is that George thought he would replace Paul when the Lennon-McCartney bond fell apart. But John seemingly never considered that. He replaced Paul with Yoko. Perhaps that explains why -- out of George, Paul, and Ringo -- it was George who was the most blunt and negative about Yoko in the studio (both at the time and even years later in the Anthology. Jealousy, again. And John said some pretty critical things about George, too, over the years. I remember one interview where he was asked about George's intellect. And John said it was "an inch deep." And Yoko agreed in that interview. Notice, though, how George never publicly attacked John the way he attacked Paul. George cut John all kinds of slack. I guess I can understand George's resentment in all of this. I just think he often took it out on the wrong person.
All excellent observations, and in truth he was trying to 'side' with John against Paul so he'd be 'cool' too. And he knew Paul wouldn't attack back. Even Ringo has gone on a Paul attack on occasion. But I still feel that somewhere around the time of both Linda's and George's illnesses all the negativity faded away. I think this is the time they started to become close again, and Olivia always has nothing but nice things to say about Paul.
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In his book Magical Mystery Tours, Tony Bramwell even said that the now famous arguement between George and Paul during Let It Be, had nothing to do with Paul, but George was taking his frustrations over Yoko out on Paul.. Hell, John even mentioned getting Eric Clapton in to take his place and Paul said no..If you guys remember during the Anthology when they met around the table, they were talking about when Ringo joined and how George "stuck him with you (Paul)"... It makes total sense..Paul never would have refused to help George, the only reason he didn't do Bangladesh is because it would have given Allen Klien credit for reuniting the Beatles on stage..John blew him off there and in 1974, more or less like he always did. John never mentioned George like he did Paul.. Paul and John had a really special bond, even during the Dick Cavett interviews, he called Paul his "best friend" and Yoko nodded in agreement.. I'm sure George resented that bond. It's sad.
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Macsback:
well me old china, better dash the now as Paul & Ringo will be here soon for a cuppa. :
Don't lie. It's just gonna be Ringo, Paul is still in NY
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milcon1998:
Macsback:
well me old china, better dash the now as Paul & Ringo will be here soon for a cuppa. :
Don't lie. It's just gonna be Ringo, Paul is still in NY
lol thanx for sticking me in it brb Paul's on the phone................ your right, he's in NY working on some ballet thingy, told me to say hi to everyone :
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?Sometimes Paul would make us do these really fruity songs. I mean, my god, Maxwell?s Silver Hammer was so fruity.? - George Savoy Truffle and For You Blue were not, mind you.
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maribeatlecrazy:
?Sometimes Paul would make us do these really fruity songs. I mean, my god, Maxwell?s Silver Hammer was so fruity.? - George Savoy Truffle and For You Blue were not, mind you.
Neither was "Gone Troppo" lol
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"I've never known two people that love each other so much, and don't even realise it." - Eric Clapton, about Paul and George.
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hihopes1964:
"I've never known two people that love each other so much, and don't even realise it." - Eric Clapton, about Paul and George.
That's a great quote... did he say that during the Concert for George???
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lazydynamite88:
if your gonna post on here and be respected your gonna have to learn to accept someone elses view that might be different to your own without resorting to pathetic unfounded insults.
And this applies to everyone I presume................... ......if the shoe fits, wear it......
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"Wah Wah...I don't need no wah wah"--George H. That's a tough pleasing song "Wah Wah" but...have read it was putting down Paul Mc. Is it? Paul helped play it at The Concert For George.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
"Wah Wah...I don't need no wah wah"--George H. That's a tough pleasing song "Wah Wah" but...have read it was putting down Paul Mc. Is it? Paul helped play it at The Concert For George.
yeah it was Suzy, and like i said earlier, Paul showed lots of class performing that song with everybody.. I wonder if George would have eaten crow like that?? I don't care for that song one bit..Paul had enough class not to respond to that...it's petty considering that John not Paul virtually did nothing for George's post 1967 Beatle tracks, whereas Paul's fingerprints are all over George's work.
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Wah Wah isnt a song i like either, not because of the references to Paul, its just a horrible noise that goes right through me, even during the Beatles darkest days, Paul still seemed to find the time for all the other Beatles songs, I think that tells you more about Paul than the others during the latter years of The Beatles.
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its pretty interesting that actually at that 'concert for george' paul actually provided a far superior version of 'all things must pass' than george ever did . sorry but its true. makes you wonder just how good 'something' and 'here comes the sun' really could have been with a first rate vocalist like paul
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lazydynamite88:
its pretty interesting that actually at that 'concert for george' paul actually provided a far superior version of 'all things must pass' than george ever did . sorry but its true. makes you wonder just how good 'something' and 'here comes the sun' really could have been with a first rate vocalist like paul
I've always thought something was missing from the 3 songs you mentioned Lazy, for years, i couldn't put my finger on what it was, until today, when you mentioned they lacked a great vocal, you've got me thinking now, maybe all George's songs, could be done again, with maybe someone like Sydney Devine doing the vocals, Eric Clapton on lead guitar, Paul Bass & backing vocals, Ringo Drums, George Rhythm guitar & Rolf Harris providing background effects, cheers mate, you've really opened up my eyes to what could have been. :
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lazydynamite88:
its pretty interesting that actually at that 'concert for george' paul actually provided a far superior version of 'all things must pass' than george ever did . sorry but its true. makes you wonder just how good 'something' and 'here comes the sun' really could have been with a first rate vocalist like paul
Paul's version of All Things Must Pass at that concert for George was absolutely glorious. I do like George's vocal on Something. ... It's just I am never in the mood for a whole album of George's voice. I like variety in a singer's voice, and there is no variety in George's voice. I like his singing better when it's part of a mix of voices.
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Michelley:
lazydynamite88:
its pretty interesting that actually at that 'concert for george' paul actually provided a far superior version of 'all things must pass' than george ever did . sorry but its true. makes you wonder just how good 'something' and 'here comes the sun' really could have been with a first rate vocalist like paul
Paul's version of All Things Must Pass at that concert for George was absolutely glorious. I do like George's vocal on Something. ... It's just I am never in the mood for a whole album of George's voice. I like variety in a singer's voice, and there is no variety in George's voice. I like his singing better when it's part of a mix of voices.
its not that its a really bad vocal Michelley, George actually pulls off some of the song quite well, compared to most of his other songs, i think the point Lazy is making (which i wholeheartedly agree with) is how much better, George would have sounded, if he never sang in the first place!! :
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Macsback:
Michelley:
lazydynamite88:
its pretty interesting that actually at that 'concert for george' paul actually provided a far superior version of 'all things must pass' than george ever did . sorry but its true. makes you wonder just how good 'something' and 'here comes the sun' really could have been with a first rate vocalist like paul
Paul's version of All Things Must Pass at that concert for George was absolutely glorious. I do like George's vocal on Something. ... It's just I am never in the mood for a whole album of George's voice. I like variety in a singer's voice, and there is no variety in George's voice. I like his singing better when it's part of a mix of voices.
its not that its a really bad vocal Michelley, George actually pulls off some of the song quite well, compared to most of his other songs, i think the point Lazy is making (which i wholeheartedly agree with) is how much better, George would have sounded, if he never sang in the first place!! :
so true 'mac'. dont get me wrong george sounded fine considering his limited vocal ability. i wouldnt want to change history or anything but just imagine how good those songs could have been!
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I was listening to Abbey Road earlier and thought after listening to "Here comes the Sun" that maybe George should have let Ringo take the lead vocal, Ringo IMO would have added a little more fun to the song, Paul should have definitely sang Something, after all, its his Bass that actually makes the song, to keep George happy (if thats possible) George should have sang "Octopus's Garden" which is well within his vocal range.