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    "Double Fantasy" wins Album Of The Year GRAMMY '81

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      admin last edited by

      I was completely unaware of this. And what an emotional night it must've been for the fans, considering that Yoko accepted the award less than three months after John Lennon's murder:

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      • Erik in NJ
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        I'd give that album a 5/10 rating--half of the songs were 10s and the other half 0s I remember being quite impressed when it came out as we had not heard anything new from John in many years. It was a pretty radio friendly album and got a lot of airplay. The fact that John had been gunned down probably played a tacit part in it being selected as album of year, but I'd like to believe that it may have achieved that on its own merit. I only wish Ono's tracks were not interlaced with his and that it had been a pure John Lennon album. Didn't the remainder of the Lennon tracks end up on a following album? I don't think I purchased that album as I was so disgusted by the assassination and also Ono's choice of the cover photo (wasn't that the one with John's glasses from the night of the shooting on the cover?). I remember their being a backlash against it at the time. Have those two albums ever been reconstituted into a single pure Lennon album? Also what Paul album was out in the 80-81 timeframe that would have been up against it at the Grammy's?

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          I think McCartney II was released around the same time.

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          • beatlesfanrandy
            beatlesfanrandy last edited by

            McCartney II came out before Double Fantasy, then Paul's next release was Tug of War with his Lennon tribute Here Today. It should be remembered that it was John who insisted on Double Fantasy alternating songs between him and Yoko, as a dialogue between the two, and that Milk and Honey was recorded at the same time. In fact the reason the album was released on Geffen Records was because David Geffen treated them both as equals. John wouldn't have it any other way. The album with John's bloody glasses was Yoko's Season of Glass which came out exactly 6 months after John was shot down right behind her as they were entering the Dakota building. Not much you can say to dislikers of Yoko about it, except that John loved it and it's a damn fine album. Certainly deserving of Album of the Year, when you look at other winners of that exaulted award.

            Wings Over America - Cow Palace SF - June 1976. New World Tour - Anaheim Stadium - 4/17/93. Driving USA - Oakland Arena - 4/1/2002. US Tour - HP Pavilion - San Jose - 11/08/05. An Evening with Paul McCartney - The Joint at Hard Rock - Las Vegas - 4/19/09. Up & Coming Tour - Hollywood Bowl - 3/31/10. Walk of Fame Star Presentation - Hollywood - Feb. 2012. CBS-TV taping - The Night That Changed America (with Ringo!)  - L.A. Convention Center - Jan. 2014. Out There Tour -Dodger Stadium - Los Angeles - Aug. '14 and Petco Park - San Diego - Sept. '14. Petco Park - San Diego - June 2019.  Got Back Tour - SoFi Stadium - Los Angeles - May 2022

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              Emotional in the extreme, I remember watching the broadcast and sobbing like an infant!!! To this day, if I see footage of that horrible Dec night, or even that grammy segment, I flood tears. Can't help it. Always have, always will.

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                DF is a great album, worthy of praise for johns songs alone. Spotless, great music and great lyrics. Honestly some of the best songs of his solo career. Not as tortured or psycodelic, but pure and from the heart. Songs you hear and kind of feel happy for John. Good shit. Yokos song are ok. Hey John liked them, good enough for me.

                its like trying to catch the sun on the water..
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka06CWHRYFI

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                • Erik in NJ
                  Erik in NJ last edited by

                  What's a " damn fine album?" Ono's "Season of Glass"?

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                  • Erik in NJ
                    Erik in NJ last edited by

                    On a serious note (I don't consider Ono to be a serious singer/musician by any stretch of the imagination)...it could be argued that Steely Dan got the short end of the stick at that awards. A case could be made that Gaucho is a better album in many ways than DF. Had John not been shot and not come out of "retirement" after so many years to make it Gaucho would probably have won.

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                    • Bruce M.
                      Bruce M. last edited by

                      Erik in NJ:

                      I'd give that album a 5/10 rating--half of the songs were 10s and the other half 0s I remember being quite impressed when it came out as we had not heard anything new from John in many years. It was a pretty radio friendly album and got a lot of airplay. The fact that John had been gunned down probably played a tacit part in it being selected as album of year, but I'd like to believe that it may have achieved that on its own merit. I only wish Ono's tracks were not interlaced with his and that it had been a pure John Lennon album. Didn't the remainder of the Lennon tracks end up on a following album? I don't think I purchased that album as I was so disgusted by the assassination and also Ono's choice of the cover photo (wasn't that the one with John's glasses from the night of the shooting on the cover?). I remember their being a backlash against it at the time. Have those two albums ever been reconstituted into a single pure Lennon album? Also what Paul album was out in the 80-81 timeframe that would have been up against it at the Grammy's?

                      Wow, I couldn't disagree more. I'm not generally a fan of Yoko's music, but several of her tracks on Double Fantasy are quite strong, that the sort of dialogue their songs form is the heart of the album. And that is the album that John wanted to make, so I think it's disrespectful of him to wish Yoko's songs weren't there. And no, the posthumous sequel, "Milk and Honey" (another roughly equal John/Yoko split) is not the album with John's glasses on the cover, that was a later album by Yoko. "Milk and Honey" is good, and the demo version of "Grow Old With Me" that concludes the album is heartbreaking. If you choose not to listen to it, it's only your loss. As for the Grammys, all the big awards have a tendency to make up for past mistakes when an artist who should have won awards when younger becomes either aged or dead. The Oscars do this all the time, and the Grammys too. Sure, there was some sentimental voting for DF -- and you can see from the clip what an emotional scene it was for everyone involved.

                      "The only true patriotism, the only rational patriotism is loyalty to the nation all the time, loyalty to government when it deserves it."

                      \--Mark Twain

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                      • Erik in NJ
                        Erik in NJ last edited by

                        I don't think it's disrespectful to say that I wish it was a pure Lennon album and one album had been made instead of two--I think a lot of things Lennon did, especially in the latter years were off the wall (you might want to read the book "John" by Cynthia Lennon). I think it's OK to say that I think her music is basically rubbish and I'm certainly not in the minority with that opinion (N.B. that this is just my opinion of her music--no personal attack here). I know someone that took a screwdriver and carved a groove through every other song on Double Fantasy.

                        Bruce M.:

                        If you choose not to listen to it, it's only your loss.

                        I choose not to--I suppose that's a cross I'll just have to bear.

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                        • favoritething
                          favoritething last edited by

                          Erik in NJ:

                          I don't think it's disrespectful to say that I wish it was a pure Lennon album and one album had been made instead of two--I think a lot of things Lennon did, especially in the latter years were off the wall (you might want to read the book "John" by Cynthia Lennon). I think it's OK to say that I think her music is basically rubbish and I'm certainly not in the minority with that opinion (N.B. that this is just my opinion of her music--no personal attack here). I know someone that took a screwdriver and carved a groove through every other song on Double Fantasy.

                          Bruce M.:

                          If you choose not to listen to it, it's only your loss.

                          I choose not to--I suppose that's a cross I'll just have to bear.

                          Well, you can always get John's tracks from iTunes, or go to YouTube and listen to them. Surely you know "Nobody Told Me"? It took me a while to get into Yoko's stuff (even on Double Fantasy), but now I like a lot of it. I didn't like the Season Of Glass cover with the bloody glasses, but the album was pretty good. Her next two in the eighties were kind of lame, but a few from the nineties on I really enjoy, like Blueprint For A Sunrise, Rising, and the new one Take Me To The Land Of Hell. She has surrounded herself with musicians (including Sean) that can really complement her skewed vision of the world. I know, that won't convince you, just thought I'd share my thoughts!

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                          • favoritething
                            favoritething last edited by

                            I will say that Yoko tested people's patience in the eighties. Take a look at the timeline of releases after Double Fantasy and John's death in late 1980: 1981 - Season of Glass [Yoko] 1982 - It's Alright [Yoko] 1982 - The John Lennon Collection [John] 1984 - Milk and Honey [John and Yoko] 1984 - Every Man Has A Woman [tribute to Yoko, including one John track] 1985 - Starpeace [Yoko], accompanied by her ill-fated concert tour 1986 - Live In New York City [John] 1986 - Menlove Ave. [John] 1988 - Imagine: John Lennon [John] - album, and movie documentary She wisely slowed down after that!

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                              beatlesfanrandy last edited by

                              Erik in NJ:

                              What's a " damn fine album?" Ono's "Season of Glass"?

                              Hey, if you don't get it, you don't get it. But the album is called Double Fantasy!

                              Wings Over America - Cow Palace SF - June 1976. New World Tour - Anaheim Stadium - 4/17/93. Driving USA - Oakland Arena - 4/1/2002. US Tour - HP Pavilion - San Jose - 11/08/05. An Evening with Paul McCartney - The Joint at Hard Rock - Las Vegas - 4/19/09. Up & Coming Tour - Hollywood Bowl - 3/31/10. Walk of Fame Star Presentation - Hollywood - Feb. 2012. CBS-TV taping - The Night That Changed America (with Ringo!)  - L.A. Convention Center - Jan. 2014. Out There Tour -Dodger Stadium - Los Angeles - Aug. '14 and Petco Park - San Diego - Sept. '14. Petco Park - San Diego - June 2019.  Got Back Tour - SoFi Stadium - Los Angeles - May 2022

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                                Erik in NJ:

                                On a serious note (I don't consider Ono to be a serious singer/musician by any stretch of the imagination)...it could be argued that Steely Dan got the short end of the stick at that awards. A case could be made that Gaucho is a better album in many ways than DF. Had John not been shot and not come out of "retirement" after so many years to make it Gaucho would probably have won.

                                I was surprised that Kim Carnes was in that category, too. I like her, but that surprised me. And, yeah, Steely Dan was a monster in their heyday, and they were possibly robbed -- but I don't think they minded losing to John Lennon.

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                                  favoritething:

                                  I will say that Yoko tested people's patience in the eighties. Take a look at the timeline of releases after Double Fantasy and John's death in late 1980: 1981 - Season of Glass [Yoko] 1982 - It's Alright [Yoko] 1982 - The John Lennon Collection [John] 1984 - Milk and Honey [John and Yoko] 1984 - Every Man Has A Woman [tribute to Yoko, including one John track] 1985 - Starpeace [Yoko], accompanied by her ill-fated concert tour 1986 - Live In New York City [John] 1986 - Menlove Ave. [John] 1988 - Imagine: John Lennon [John] - album, and movie documentary She wisely slowed down after that!

                                  Yoko attempted a tour????? Details!

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                                  • Erik in NJ
                                    Erik in NJ last edited by

                                    Funny thought isn't it??

                                    audi:

                                    favoritething:

                                    I will say that Yoko tested people's patience in the eighties. Take a look at the timeline of releases after Double Fantasy and John's death in late 1980: 1981 - Season of Glass [Yoko] 1982 - It's Alright [Yoko] 1982 - The John Lennon Collection [John] 1984 - Milk and Honey [John and Yoko] 1984 - Every Man Has A Woman [tribute to Yoko, including one John track] 1985 - Starpeace [Yoko], accompanied by her ill-fated concert tour 1986 - Live In New York City [John] 1986 - Menlove Ave. [John] 1988 - Imagine: John Lennon [John] - album, and movie documentary She wisely slowed down after that!

                                    Yoko attempted a tour????? Details!

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                                      admin last edited by

                                      Erik in NJ:

                                      Funny thought isn't it??

                                      audi:

                                      favoritething:

                                      I will say that Yoko tested people's patience in the eighties. Take a look at the timeline of releases after Double Fantasy and John's death in late 1980: 1981 - Season of Glass [Yoko] 1982 - It's Alright [Yoko] 1982 - The John Lennon Collection [John] 1984 - Milk and Honey [John and Yoko] 1984 - Every Man Has A Woman [tribute to Yoko, including one John track] 1985 - Starpeace [Yoko], accompanied by her ill-fated concert tour 1986 - Live In New York City [John] 1986 - Menlove Ave. [John] 1988 - Imagine: John Lennon [John] - album, and movie documentary She wisely slowed down after that!

                                      Yoko attempted a tour????? Details!

                                      She had Billy Joel's saxophonist at one tine!

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                                        I'd completely forgotten about her "Hell In Paradise" video: Yoko Ono - Hell In Paradise [1985]:

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                                        • Erik in NJ
                                          Erik in NJ last edited by

                                          Well after watching those two video I must now admit that she may have passed up an illustrious and lucrative career....in comedy!!! Wasn't that little guy the one that appeared in Seinfeld?? 😉

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                                            Erik in NJ:

                                            ...Wasn't that little guy the one that appeared in Seinfeld?? 😉

                                            Looks like him, but I don't think so.

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