Vegetarians...this is what NOT to do
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There's a Facebook page I frequent. The person posts recipes among other things. All sorts. Each day has a theme. Her theory is if you don't like one theme, scroll on down for another. She has them organized in folders on the page for finding later. It's all sorts of food. Traditional in some ethnic countries (lots of Irish and Scottish dishes) some with new twist. Vegan. Gluten or nut free. Just hundreds. she pointed out that recently the theme was bacon and she got one hate letter she had to address. Someone who was offended by the idea of eating meat ordered her to take it down or they would report her to Facebook for cruelty to animals. OK, Veggies reading this: THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW NOT TO ADDRESS YOUR ISSUES REGARDING VEGETARIANISM. Besides the fact that Facebook would not consider it abuse, it's also about censorship. It's also about douchebaggery. Bitching and griping like that is NOT THE way to get people to listen and consider your viewpoint. It only annoys them. Going to the extreme (such as calling the page animal abuse and threatening the owner) is bad in any movement. think any extreme politicial person or religion. They're all very bad. What you actually are saying to other people is, "I am a douche and I am trying to control you." Actually, this type of douchebaggery is more harmful to the movement then good. I actually left PETA and the veggie movement due to the abundance of whiners like this. I didn't want to be around them or become like them. I've seen this on the MFM FB page as well. People there trying to censor what is posted on the page. yes, veggies upset at some of the graphics accompanying the articles. Demanding they be removed. Censoring the page. I said to myself, "Well, I see that mentality hasn't changed." there are better ways to handle such situations. Wrack your brains for a moment and try to come up with one and remember, "JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE OFFENDED DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE RIGHT."
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i know i may be falling for some confrontation bait here (after setting you straight on the Krsna-consciousness thread about Srila Prabhupada leaving the planet on November 14th, 1977, while you claimed to 'meet him in the 80s.' right.... in other words, you lied) , but as a vegan, i see it as my duty to address one recurring 'point' you like to make on other threads, which you again made here.
Kathryn O:
Actually, this type of douchebaggery is more harmful to the movement then good. I actually left PETA and the veggie movement due to the abundance of whiners like this. I didn't want to be around them or become like them.
one who is actually 'vege' for the right reasons (the lives the animals) never 'leaves' anything. these externals of a 'movement' being 'left' for 'reasons' of 'whining' show just how 'dedicated' one is/was to an ideal (in other words, if one's dedication to not being part of the exploitation and consumption of innocent animals was so shallow that it takes some 'whining' to 'leave', then one was never even part of any 'veggie movement' as that is something from within and not some external badge or so). just my 'this is what NOT to do' tip for you. (oh yeh, a tip apart from not lying about 'meeting Srila Prabhupada in the 80s', of course...)
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HOney, whoever the big wig with the Krishnas was in the 80s, that's who I met. I didn't care myself. but whining is not showing dedication. threatening others in stupid fashions is not showing deidication either. it does the opposite, turns people off (it made me leave the movement like I said) and does more harm then good. that is my point. and yes, it does make the person doing it a douchebag.
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Kathryn O:
HOney, whoever the big wig with the Krishnas was in the 80s, that's who I met. I didn't care myself.
no 'honey', i'm vegan. you say you didn't care yourself, but there is a huge difference between Srila Prabhupada (and claiming you met him 'in the 80s') and 'whoever the big wig was in the 80s (which shows you have NO IDEA of what you're talking about, because it doesn't work like that). you got caught out, plain and simple (not the first time you've come with bogus stories).
Kathryn O:
but whining is not showing dedication. threatening others in stupid fashions is not showing deidication either. it does the opposite, turns people off (it made me leave the movement like I said) and does more harm then good.
look at yourself first. you should list yourself as an example totally. the heavier case is still 'against you' as logicized by: "one who is actually 'vege' for the right reasons (the lives the animals) never 'leaves' anything. these externals of a 'movement' being 'left' for 'reasons' of 'whining' show just how 'dedicated' one is/was to an ideal (in other words, if one's dedication to not being part of the exploitation and consumption of innocent animals was so shallow that it takes some 'whining' to 'leave', then one was never even part of any 'veggie movement' as that is something from within and not some external badge or so). "
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basically what you're saying is that douchebaggery and vegetarianism go hand and hand together. I feared that and that's why I left the movement. look up the phrase, Blinded by Ideals.
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and more self-rightousness such as 'I'm veggie for the right reasons while you're not' is another thing that turned me off especially with the veggies on this board I can tell you something. that belief is totally in contrast to the MFM campaign. they're pushing the environmental and health agenda more. I suggest you find out why.
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Maybe, you need to stop worrying about being part of a "movement", and wearing badges, and actually being an individual.
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femaleanimal:
Maybe, you need to stop worrying about being part of a "movement", and wearing badges, and actually being an individual.
Yeah. Just being just who you are and making your own choices, making your own mistakes, allowing yourself to have your own process of growing..........no matter how much time it will take. No need to prove anything to anyone. It's what we should allow ourselves (and others) to do without bothering about what others, even those who think they know better, may think of it. Because these others are in their own grow process and don't have access (no more than anyone else has ((imo)) ) to THE TRUTH , whatever that may be. Imo the only thing that counts is UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. For yourself and others, all living creatures. And UNCONDITIONAL means without conditions, just LOVE.
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femaleanimal:
Maybe, you need to stop worrying about being part of a "movement", and wearing badges, and actually being an individual.
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KO'C and her favourite 'self-righteous' copout everytime haha puhlease just because there is righteousness in the world within some people and there is none in you doesn't mean that they are 'self-righteous' they are simply righteous.. btw, i will not waste any time responding to your abundant examples of evasion-tactic trash further (and i advise other sane people to not waste their time like that as well). everyone who KNOWS about you, KNOWS about you and i hope that those who know and want to pretend they don't are getting some sort of reward for prostrating and cowering (virtually at least) before you. i'm too busy living life in the reality to waste any more words, logic, KNOWLEDGE on you, living in your hallucination-filled/met-every-and-anyone-including-meeting-those-who-left-the-planet-already-years-after-they-left 'reality' and virtual bullydom. those who are serious and want to imbibe from what anyone on here posts about not killing and eating animals would be sensible enough to do so. p.s. i WILL be available on this thread and on the board in general to any sensible/respectful people with actual questions or curiosities on anything i may know about anything i may know (whether it be spirituality, veganism, music, etc.) about from my own experience or from my knowledge from the right sources. so don't get too comfy just yet about 'not seeing me around' (unless you arrange with the admins for such a 'disappearance' hahaha)
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Being a teacher in the new era Quote: How do you teach? What is this teaching that I speak of? It is not about conveying theories and knowledge from books to others; it is not about preaching or telling people what to do. It is about a vibration that you bring into the world, a vibration of compassion and inner peace. And so when you address your own darkest parts, your emotions of fear, of anger of distrust, when you shine a light on your dark parts, it is then that your vibration rises, and that you bring a new light into this world. It will be visible in your eyes, in the way you speak or listen to others. Do not hide it, be as open as you can because you are beautiful. It is when you bring this vibration into the world that people are drawn to you. Not because you know the truth, or because you know what is going to happen to them, but because there is a space of safety and friendliness around you. They feel accepted around you. That is what teaching in the new era is about: accepting the other completely with both their light and dark parts, seeing their inner beauty, their passion and their innocence and encouraging them to see it themselves.
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hey_kittay:
I am with you Rahil. And still 'following' your music!
thank you very much. glad to hear this.
hey_kittay:
I KNOW too much about this real life situation as you do, and hopefully we can all stay safe by ignoring it as well.
good to hear someone else being honest openly about this apart from me on here now, and not afraid to speak up as many seem to be.
hey_kittay:
I will respond to real discussions about animal rights that are logical and do not have the 'word' douchebaggery, (is that a word?) in the post every other sentence.
great, so that makes 2 of us openly now (plus the others on the main veggie thread who have contributed in the past - dierdra, jags, et al, against this insanity) haha @ 'douchebaggery'
hey_kittay:
Some have more sass than class. Can't be helped it seems.
apparently.
hey_kittay:
Save the Animals, and others, from Evil!
hey_kittay:
p.s.> have not read anything but this, and must log off now. Just happened to be in the vet's office and was checking this thread. Peace & Love!
good that you contributed this to show that there are others on here who will not back down from this nonsense that is perpetrated so openly without consequence. thank you peace & love
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simplyrahil:
hey_kittay:
I am with you Rahil. And still 'following' your music!
thank you very much. glad to hear this.
hey_kittay:
I KNOW too much about this real life situation as you do, and hopefully we can all stay safe by ignoring it as well.
good to hear someone else being honest openly about this apart from me on here now, and not afraid to speak up as many seem to be.
hey_kittay:
I will respond to real discussions about animal rights that are logical and do not have the 'word' douchebaggery, (is that a word?) in the post every other sentence.
great, so that makes 2 of us openly now (plus the others on the main veggie thread who have contributed in the past - dierdra, jags, et al, against this insanity) haha @ 'douchebaggery'
hey_kittay:
Some have more sass than class. Can't be helped it seems.
apparently.
hey_kittay:
Save the Animals, and others, from Evil!
hey_kittay:
p.s.> have not read anything but this, and must log off now. Just happened to be in the vet's office and was checking this thread. Peace & Love!
good that you contributed this to show that there are others on here who will not back down from this nonsense that is perpetrated so openly without consequence. thank you peace & love
Thanks Rahil 4 capturing my post comments. I did delete my post as I had second thoughts about getting involved in a uncivilized discussion, don't want to fight with people ya know? I meant what I wrote though. Peace & Love 2 all.
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hey_kittay:
Thanks Rahil 4 capturing my post comments.
hey_kittay:
I did delete my post as I had second thoughts about getting involved in a uncivilized discussion, don't want to fight with people ya know?
well standing up doesn't always mean 'fight' - it can just mean 'hey, we're not condoning this nonsense' it is good that you stood up also
hey_kittay:
I meant what I wrote though.
good
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simplyrahil:
KO'C and her favourite 'self-righteous' copout everytime haha puhlease just because there is righteousness in the world within some people and there is none in you doesn't mean that they are 'self-righteous' they are simply righteous.. .
I've stated this before. Self Righteous is the most destructive force in humanity. It is my life cause to stop it. (in fact, it leads to the destruction of other species). and yes, there is righteousness in me. It's just not the type you can recognize because it's for real.
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and just for the records, there is no such thing as being 'veg for the right reasons'. any reason is right. otherwise, what is the purpose of the MFM campaign?
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Kathryn O:
simplyrahil:
KO'C and her favourite 'self-righteous' copout everytime haha puhlease just because there is righteousness in the world within some people and there is none in you doesn't mean that they are 'self-righteous' they are simply righteous.. .
I've stated this before. Self Righteous("SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS" is the word) is the most destructive force in humanity. It is my life cause to stop it. (in fact, it leads to the destruction of other species). and yes, there is righteousness in me. It's just not the type you can recognize because it's for real.
self-righteousness is the same old song being sung whenever many who want to keep eating animals are faced with the moral stance that killing innocent animals is wrong and they have nothing else to validate such an unnecessary act of taking innocent life. no excuse for taking the life of any animal can ever be 'righteous' in any way, form or fashion. so i have no idea where that 'righteousness' you claim to possess is hiding. the point is it is wrong to kill innocent animals.
Kathryn O:
and just for the records, there is no such thing as being 'veg for the right reasons'. any reason is right.
if 'any reason is right', then what's your excuse for being in the wrong? (not veg at all, and constantly trying to find ways to bring down veganism) pardon. i don't want to hear it again. we've all heard all the excuses before.
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simplyrahil:
Kathryn O:
simplyrahil:
KO'C and her favourite 'self-righteous' copout everytime haha puhlease just because there is righteousness in the world within some people and there is none in you doesn't mean that they are 'self-righteous' they are simply righteous.. .
I've stated this before. Self Righteous("SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS" is the word) is the most destructive force in humanity. It is my life cause to stop it. (in fact, it leads to the destruction of other species). and yes, there is righteousness in me. It's just not the type you can recognize because it's for real.
self-righteousness is the same old song being sung whenever many who want to keep eating animals are faced with the moral stance that killing innocent animals is wrong and they have nothing else to validate such an unnecessary act of taking innocent life. no excuse for taking the life of any animal can ever be 'righteous' in any way, form or fashion. so i have no idea where that 'righteousness' you claim to possess is hiding. the point is it is wrong to kill innocent animals.
Kathryn O:
and just for the records, there is no such thing as being 'veg for the right reasons'. any reason is right.
if 'any reason is right', then what's your excuse for being in the wrong? (not veg at all, and constantly trying to find ways to bring down veganism) pardon. i don't want to hear it again. we've all heard all the excuses before.
You say people make up excuses when they eat meat because they have no justification. Well i make no excuses as i dont need to justifiy the fact that i like meat and if it means animals need to be killed to put meat on my plates so be it, i dont have a problem with that, the same way i dont have a problem with people not eating meat, although i do think that vegans are very strange people, dont understand them at all! So there you are, i admit it, I LIKE MEAT!
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Boggle:
simplyrahil:
Kathryn O:
simplyrahil:
KO'C and her favourite 'self-righteous' copout everytime haha puhlease just because there is righteousness in the world within some people and there is none in you doesn't mean that they are 'self-righteous' they are simply righteous.. .
I've stated this before. Self Righteous("SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS" is the word) is the most destructive force in humanity. It is my life cause to stop it. (in fact, it leads to the destruction of other species). and yes, there is righteousness in me. It's just not the type you can recognize because it's for real.
self-righteousness is the same old song being sung whenever many who want to keep eating animals are faced with the moral stance that killing innocent animals is wrong and they have nothing else to validate such an unnecessary act of taking innocent life. no excuse for taking the life of any animal can ever be 'righteous' in any way, form or fashion. so i have no idea where that 'righteousness' you claim to possess is hiding. the point is it is wrong to kill innocent animals.
Kathryn O:
and just for the records, there is no such thing as being 'veg for the right reasons'. any reason is right.
if 'any reason is right', then what's your excuse for being in the wrong? (not veg at all, and constantly trying to find ways to bring down veganism) pardon. i don't want to hear it again. we've all heard all the excuses before.
You say people make up excuses when they eat meat because they have no justification. Well i make no excuses as i dont need to justifiy the fact that i like meat and if it means animals need to be killed to put meat on my plates so be it, i dont have a problem with that, the same way i dont have a problem with people not eating meat, although i do think that vegans are very strange people, dont understand them at all! So there you are, i admit it, I LIKE MEAT!
Kathryn O...you said: "and just for the records, there is no such thing as being 'veg for the right reasons'. any reason is right. " No, that is not true... The only reason to be vegan is to help sentient beings become free of the torment that humans foist on them... become free of human interference....free of pain, torture and death that they do NOT deserve and do NOT ask for. We have NO rights over animals...they should be allowed to live their own lives just as humans should be allowed to live theirs. We are ALL animals. This is a simple concept...it is NOT rocket science. "?It?s really not rocket science. If animals are not mere things; if they have moral value, we cannot justify eating, wearing, or using them particularly when we have no better reason than palate pleasure or fashion. If you are eating, wearing, or using animals, then your actions say that you regard them as mere things, despite what your words say.? ~ Gary Francione ____________________________ To Boggle... Good name for you, because you consistently boggle my mind with your lack of caring about non human animals.... You said: "Well i make no excuses as i dont need to justifiy the fact that i like meat and if it means animals need to be killed to put meat on my plates so be it, i dont have a problem with that........ " "So there you are, i admit it, I LIKE MEAT" guess what dude..... You like meat that does NOT belong to you... It belongs to the animals who were tortured, abused and slaughtered to "bring" it to your plate... I wonder how it feels to be that entitled, that you can't see the cruelty inherent in the meat, dairy and egg industries... Animals are suffering by the millions every single day, but so many of you simply do not care. How do you not care? Seriously? I bet you care about your family dog or cat... Your pets are animals just like the ones you choose to eat. Where do you draw the line? Because there should be NO line...if you want to be really fair, then you'd have no problem eating your family pet... ""Once you come to terms why you don?t eat dogs, cats, monkeys and dolphins, you?ll begin to understand why I don?t eat cows, pigs, chickens and lambs.? ~ Edward Sanchez