A Big Thank You From PaulMcCartney.com
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cfergoid:
So Dustbin Lid, what is your view exactly? That Paul is wrong to charge for the features or that people are wrong to pay for it?
No, he/she thinks we're stupid for paying for it, and greedy, and whatever else he/she posted. :
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walliebaby:
cfergoid:
Why do people find it unacceptable to pay for extra features on a website but happily accept having to buy music, DVDs and merchandise? Just because it's online it doesn't mean it should be given out for free.
Pretty much hit it on the head there, didn't you, Dr. Love Songs?
Well thank you!
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cfergoid:
walliebaby:
cfergoid:
Why do people find it unacceptable to pay for extra features on a website but happily accept having to buy music, DVDs and merchandise? Just because it's online it doesn't mean it should be given out for free.
Pretty much hit it on the head there, didn't you, Dr. Love Songs?
Well thank you!
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Dustbin Lid:
walliebaby:
Dustbin Lid:
Yes, because without those who eagerly signed up to it, it never would have gotten "off the ground" to begin with. I do hold those who paid the money for "Premium Membership" responsible for supporting such a distasteful idea. It would be difficult to separate the two - the idea and those who supported the idea.
You might find being around Paul's fan forum uncomfortable then, as many of us were supporters this distasteful idea, and others that have to do with Paul, such as buying concert tickets and Paul CD's. We're a regular group of bourgeois fans around here, we are.
Uncomfortable? No, I'm not threatened by people who have alternative views to my own. If the majority of people on this site bought into the idea (which, if I remember rightly they didn't), then more fool them. From what I can see, everyone seems to be regretting signing up for it now anyway.
Regretting? Not so much. Angry at the way MPL handled the cancelling of the service? Oh my, yes. Again, calling folks fools isn't exactly endearing folks to your argument. Is it really that hard to not be condescending, patronizing, and offensive? This is an online community, not a soapbox upon which to stand and spew insults.
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walliebaby:
You're worried about low-income families not being able to sign up for a fansite's premium membership? Here I'd be more worried about low-income families having insurance and the basic necessities. I'm fairly certain that they have bigger concerns than whether they have access to buy concert tickets or see the one concert film that was uploaded into the premium content section of the site. And again, if you're not trying to insult people personally, you might rethink the first line of your reply to apu, and think about if your intentions are to express your opinion, or troll around for a fight.
It appears that you're the one who's spoiling for a fight. I am not "worried about low-income families not being able to sign up for a fansite's premium membership". It's odd that you would choose to misinterpret my words in that way. I am making the very simple point that having a special area for premium members who have paid a not insignificant amount of money is unfair to those who cannot afford it and creates a feeling of haves and have-nots in what should be an equal forum. You are not a moderator, do please do not presume to tell me how to conduct myself on the board. I am familiar with the board rules and am posting within these guidelines. I'm attempting to make the wider points here, you are attempting to make it personal. As it is, it appears that the people who run the Paul McCartney website must have come to the same conclusions that I have, otherwise they would not have scrapped the scheme. No?
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cfergoid:
So Dustbin Lid, what is your view exactly? That Paul is wrong to charge for the features or that people are wrong to pay for it?
Yes.
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Dustbin Lid:
I am making the very simple point that having a special area for premium members who have paid a not insignificant amount of money is unfair to those who cannot afford it and creates a feeling of haves and have-nots in what should be an equal forum.
Two questions: 1) Why is this unfair? Is it unfair that some fans can afford to buy the remasters while others can't? Is it unfair that some fans can afford to go to his concerts? Is it unfair that some people can afford his DVDs? It's no different having to pay for things online than it is having to pay for physical things. When you go to the supermarket do you expect to be allowed to leave without paying for your goods? 2) Why are you being an ass?
Dustbin Lid:
cfergoid:
So Dustbin Lid, what is your view exactly? That Paul is wrong to charge for the features or that people are wrong to pay for it?
Yes.
Yes to both? Why is Paul wrong for charging? And surely people can choose to pay for it if they want? That's not for you to decide.
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Dustbin Lid:
What rubbish, apu. Utter nonsense. You say that it's ten pence a day and it doesn't sound much when you put it like that, but there wasn't an option to pay that way, was there? It was a lump sum. An amount of money which would constitute more than a week's worth of groceries for a low-income single person. I am not someone on a low income, but I know plenty of people who are and who simply could not afford to pay such an amount for something as low value and non-essential as a premium membership of a website. You cannot compare it to the purchase of an album or DVD which is then owned permanently and will go on to provide a lifetime of pleasure (hopefully) to the purchaser. If you're sure that people signed up for it to "support an interesting and innovative site", then you're sorely mistaken. People signed up for the pre-sale codes, mainly. The rest was icing on the cake.
Sorry but the hole your digging is getting deeper trash an idea by all means but sorry you seem intent on making wild accusations. I signed up for the features,NOT the pre sale,that was the gravy for me i liked the site for all its problems simple as that. Perspective Dustbin i think you need some 32 quid for access to digital media was a price i was fine with,i dont do pirating so it was a way i could listen to pauls music,especially the orchestral stuff that i haven't bought we're in the year 2012 and like it or not dvd/cd' are on the way out digital will some time very soon be the main way we access music/films etc,but thats another argument.
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The only reason I have returned to this site after forgetting about it for a long time is because of the e-mail I received inviting me to come and share my views. So I have. That isn't trolling, just as somebody else expressing their annoyance at the cancellation of the premium membership isn't trolling. We just have different views.
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cfergoid:
Dustbin Lid:
I am making the very simple point that having a special area for premium members who have paid a not insignificant amount of money is unfair to those who cannot afford it and creates a feeling of haves and have-nots in what should be an equal forum.
Two questions: 1) Why is this unfair? Is it unfair that some fans can afford to buy the remasters while others can't? Is it unfair that some fans can afford to go to his concerts? Is it unfair that some people can afford his DVDs? It's no different having to pay for things online than it is having to pay for physical things. When you go to the supermarket do you expect to be allowed to leave without paying for your goods? 2) Why are you being an ass?
I think its calling trolling
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I am on a low income and i didnt fork out £40 for it. One it didnt seem fair value for the money ( and if i wasnt on a low income i wouldnt have forked out) and two it was divisive from the off. If people wish to take offence from general remarks there is nothing you can do.
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Dustbin Lid:
The only reason I have returned to this site after forgetting about it for a long time is because of the e-mail I received inviting me to come and share my views. So I have. That isn't trolling, just as somebody else expressing their annoyance at the cancellation of the premium membership isn't trolling. We just have different views.
Differing ideas is great it makes a message board but you insulted everyone albeit not by name who bought a membership in my book that is trolling.
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Dustbin Lid:
As it is, it appears that the people who run the Paul McCartney website must have come to the same conclusions that I have, otherwise they would not have scrapped the scheme. No?
I don't feel the need to respond to your other comments as, well, they're silly. The above comment, though, I will reply to with a: Yes, Paul's people have decided that it's unfair to make money for Paul, and that's why they've decided to scrap the premium section.
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hengirl:
Dustbin Lid:
The only reason I have returned to this site after forgetting about it for a long time is because of the e-mail I received inviting me to come and share my views. So I have. That isn't trolling, just as somebody else expressing their annoyance at the cancellation of the premium membership isn't trolling. We just have different views.
Differing ideas is great it makes a message board but you insulted everyone albeit not by name who bought a membership in my book that is trolling.
Thank you--my thoughts exactly.
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peter:
I am on a low income and i didnt fork out £40 for it. One it didnt seem fair value for the money ( and if i wasnt on a low income i wouldnt have forked out) and two it was divisive from the off. If people wish to take offence from general remarks there is nothing you can do.
Thank you.
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peter:
I am on a low income and i didnt fork out £40 for it. One it didnt seem fair value for the money ( and if i wasnt on a low income i wouldnt have forked out) and two it was divisive from the off. If people wish to take offence from general remarks there is nothing you can do.
Surely you can agree that it isn't fundamentally wrong to charge for a service though? Charging for goods is how the world works and it is up to the consumer to decide if they want to pay. If you don't see it as good value for money then don't pay but it is no more divisive than charging for his latest CD or latest DVD. It's common practice these days to have a free of charge basic service and an option to pay for a premium service with more features. Spotify is a good example of that, people don't call that divisive. Those that can afford it and deem it worthwhile pay for the premium service, while others don't.
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I am glad to see the older, familiar Message Board back again! It even remembered my password that I created in 2002. `
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walliebaby:
hengirl:
Dustbin Lid:
The only reason I have returned to this site after forgetting about it for a long time is because of the e-mail I received inviting me to come and share my views. So I have. That isn't trolling, just as somebody else expressing their annoyance at the cancellation of the premium membership isn't trolling. We just have different views.
Differing ideas is great it makes a message board but you insulted everyone albeit not by name who bought a membership in my book that is trolling.
Thank you--my thoughts exactly.
Well, you need to get yourself a new book, because that's just silly - and quite offensive. Because I have a different viewpoint to you, I'm a troll? That's a very narrow way of thinking, isn't it?
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Dia:
I am glad to see the older, familiar Message Board back again! It even remembered my password that I created in 2002. `
Welcome back, Dia.
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hengirl:
martinput:
oobu24:
What a poorman's replacement the new 'music player' is for the jukebox feature. : :
That's exactly what AGreig means when he posts;
so please continue to post what functionality you would like to see and what functionality you enjoyed from the previous website.
If you'd like to see an enhanced music player akin to the Jukebox previously provided then post such a suggestion here. It seems MPL, having stripped away certain features, is genuinely keen to gather constructive suggestions as to how the revamped site should be developed to meet your wishes. Martin
The time for MPL to want to talk was weeks ago Martin,its that simple if you bother to work with people they will,generally work with you to get to a point that everyone is happy with the fact that MPL pulled the plug without consultation is shocking and if they where taking money through October then at best that's deceitful
Actually Web sites pull content all the time for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes users get warned but most times they don't. Such is the Web. But you can't complain that you weren't consulted and then, when you're asked for constructive suggestions, complain that it's too late for you to be consulted. The key word there is "constructive." Helpful. Civil. On all sides.