New in the Charts Thread
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RMartinez:
walliebaby:
RMartinez:
walliebaby:
RMartinez:
walliebaby:
RMartinez:
Actually, you two are misreading my initial post. All I meant was, there really are not that many young people out there who will go out and buy a Beatles CD, never mind a Paul McCartney CD. And the sales of NEW back up my comment.
CD's are a dying breed. Why pay when you can get the music for free online? Using album sales to measure how wide-reaching an album is isn't exactly fair or accurate.
No problem with that assessment. But that just means we may never know. It's not confirmation that millions of young people, say ages 13-21, are actually fanatically listening to The Beatles and Paul McCartney, just not buying it. But, again going back to the intent of my original post, even if they are, it is not translating into sales for NEW.
Nothing is confirmation as to how many young people, young adults, adults, or geriatric citizens are listening to The Beatles, or any other band. As for sales of NEW, was anyone really expecting it to be a big seller? For a 71-year old, the fact that he made the Top 5 was incredible, and the fact that he's still in the Top 20 2 weeks later is a minor miracle. Let's get real, here. As good as the album is, it's not going to get major airplay (or any) on any major radio stations simply because of Paul's age. Period. That's why his ranking in the album sales list is so amazing.
I have already said as much. I think the CD is doing quite well, given the state of music today and everything you and I have already said.
Glad we can agree on something.
For now! I kid!
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IN THE LAND OF MAKE BELIEVE.... Well i'm sorry the album is not doing well...not by any standard. The constant reference to Paul's age is irrelevant. 20 years ago Off The Ground did lousy too. Paul was 51. Elton John had Million sellers in the 90s, Dylan after his Renaissance in 97, Time Out of mind, modern Times etc. And if sales don't MEAN anything, because People are downloading illegally, i would have thought that Eminems audience would be ready and able to do so....instead he will end up selling millions worldwide The bitter truth is Paul has never recovered from his commercial slump in the mid-eighties. NEW is a great album, not a hit album. Simply enjoy it.
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I am sorry to hear that NEW isn't burning up the charts, but as previously stated given the state of the music business and illegal downloading and Justin Bieber, et al, who could have expected it to. It is #1 on my charts, however, and I listen to it every day. Each track is amazing IMO. I thinks it's the best record of the year!
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RMartinez:
walliebaby:
RMartinez:
Actually, you two are misreading my initial post. All I meant was, there really are not that many young people out there who will go out and buy a Beatles CD, never mind a Paul McCartney CD. And the sales of NEW back up my comment.
CD's are a dying breed. Why pay when you can get the music for free online? Using album sales to measure how wide-reaching an album is isn't exactly fair or accurate.
No problem with that assessment. But that just means we may never know. It's not confirmation that millions of young people, say ages 13-21, are actually fanatically listening to The Beatles and Paul McCartney, just not buying it. But, again going back to the intent of my original post, even if they are, it is not translating into sales for NEW.
The other aspect (not particular to this album) is that nowadays, via itunes, you can buy songs from an album without having to buy the entire thing...not sure how that affects the actual album's chart performance (whether it helps by some 'percent' of the album being purchased, or does it simply not count as a unit sale with regards to how album sales are measured)
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It seems fairly certain, that when all is said and done, McCartney will sell over a million copies of NEW either as Cd's Downloads or vinyl. That is not miserable or an abject failure. I think his marketing team did a fairly poor job in many ways, Starbucks not playing the album for example in their stores. Having no proper video to promote the single NEW. Doing all his tv appearance prior to the album being released, and not doing any more tv after it came out. By not purchasing mainstream ads in Rolling Stone, Uncut, and on television. I don't think it matters what 13-21 year olds are buying. There are plenty of older fans, billions, or at least tens of millions. They see their advertising for the holidays on CNN or the shopping network or the New York Times or whatever. Simply advertising to younger people on Itunes, Youtube and the like doesn't communicate the message to a lot of older fans. They simply have little idea he has a nice new album out. The other thing is, many older casual fans, have purchased so many Beatles, Wings and McCartney albums over the years, they may be underwhelmed, you really have to hammer home the message to these older fans, hey McCartney has been having a great career renewal for over a decade and has done four or five great studio albums in a row. New isin't that much different from Flaming Pie, Chaos, Memory Almost Full or Electric Arguments, it sounds a bit like each of them. Simply tooting the same song, oh McCartney has done one of his best albums since the Beatles, that wears thin after saying the same thing for the last five or six albums. If he had done one song with Ringo, and done one or two overtly sounding Beatley tracks, if he had revived one of those unreleased Lennon demos and sung a duet with new overdubs, if he played some shows in USA or Europe as the album was coming out, if he threatened to retire from making rock albums, there are many things the guy could do to spur interest. It's nice to get support from 13-21 year olds, but come on, kids always have their own generations music, horrible as this one's may be. McCartney has a huge audience as we can see from his live concerts. He has the pull to really twist arms at radio with an army of radio promo people and bull his way onto the charts, Michael Jackson in his prime, would have 60 or 70 additional radio promo people hustling the record hard to radio, calling and visiting every important station. McCartney doesn't have any of that going on, his people are proceeding like he is an automatic hit, not doing the things, that generally need to be done, to break your album big. He went on tv, did some concerts, did a Queenie Eye video, but his people didin't seem to do much. They should have hustled radio, created free publicity with controversy or some newsflash, they should have leaned on Starbucks/hear music to play the album in every single Starbucks outlet, they should have bought ads in Rolling Stone and Newsweek and Uncut, and on Television. Having said all that, a million copies sold is not a flop, no one who has ever tried to sell an album would ever, ever, ever say a million copies is a flop That is a heck of a lot of albums. His album will be one of the 25-40 most popular albums on the planet for its release sales period. How is that a flop? Because he didin't do as well as the Beatles or Band On The Run in his seventies? He could have done better, but it is not bad, no one in their right mind would think a million copies for a 71 year old guy, is bad, he opened at number three in the USA the biggest CD download market on the planet, how bad can he be doing, he hit number 3 for crying out loud. That makes no sense to me, to call NEW a failure, when it opens in the top ten in almost every major market on the planet. I wish he was doing better, I root for my team after all, but lets get real, he will sell over a million copies, probably only one of 25-3o artists a year do that now. He will have a long shelf life with this album, it will gradually sell, more and more and more, and more, for decades
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A million copies? Who said Paul is anywhere near a million sold? Call me when it goes gold. Or PM me
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audi:
For the record: When I use the term "dumb-ass," I'm not referring to students who under-perform academically, in general. I'm referring to the typical, Top-40, pedestrian-minded idiots who are lowering the curve with each passing generation.
Audi, I don't think the curve is lowering generation by generation. Top 40 has always mostly been crap and always will be. The #1 single for the year 1973, to pick one example, was "Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Ole Oak Tree" by Tony Orlando and Dawn. If ever there was a worse piece of mindless drivel committed to record, I am unaware of it. There is always some decent music out there and some of it is successful, but junk sells and always has.
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kapoo:
A million copies? Who said Paul is anywhere near a million sold? Call me when it goes gold. Or PM me
I agree! There is a big difference between 300,000 and 1 million. Mind you, I HOPE the NEW CD sells a million. But only time will tell.
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jennywren:
I am sorry to hear that NEW isn't burning up the charts, but as previously stated given the state of the music business and illegal downloading and Justin Bieber, et al, who could have expected it to. It is #1 on my charts, however, and I listen to it every day. Each track is amazing IMO. I thinks it's the best record of the year!
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RMartinez:
kapoo:
RMartinez:
If Eminem is a genius, I'm a demigod.
You don't think Marshall Mathers is a lyrical genius?
Nope. But that's just me. Post some lyrics here, I am open to seeing what he has to say.
You doubt the mastery of the lyrics of the great Em? You gotta be kidding, right? The way this guy finds ways to rhyme two of the more offensive words of the English language beginning with F? And who would ever have foreseen the word he could find rhyme with ?hypocrite?? Genius. The clever manner in which he extols brandishing a knife whilst seeking revenge on a woman who jilted him? That?s love. It might have taken one mad man to find what he wanted out of Helter Skelter, but hundreds of mad men can find inspiration in the great Em?s lyrics. That?s how brilliant he is. His respect for women is unparalleled. It extends far beyond his use of the word ?b*tch?. Inspiring. I must burn one of his CD?s and give them to my daughter, but only on the proviso she passes them on to her offspring and all that follow in our family crest. I will expect nothing less. His genius and message must live on. And, yes, somewhere in this awful stew, I did trip on the cord of sarcasm. Eminem represents so much of what is wrong with music today. The antithesis of The Beatles.
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toris:
RMartinez:
kapoo:
RMartinez:
If Eminem is a genius, I'm a demigod.
You don't think Marshall Mathers is a lyrical genius?
Nope. But that's just me. Post some lyrics here, I am open to seeing what he has to say.
You doubt the mastery of the lyrics of the great Em? You gotta be kidding, right? The way this guy finds ways to rhyme two of the more offensive words of the English language beginning with F? And who would ever have foreseen the word he could find rhyme with ?hypocrite?? Genius. The clever manner in which he extols brandishing a knife whilst seeking revenge on a woman who jilted him? That?s love. It might have taken one mad man to find what he wanted out of Helter Skelter, but hundreds of mad men can find inspiration in the great Em?s lyrics. That?s how brilliant he is. His respect for women is unparalleled. It extends far beyond his use of the word ?b*tch?. Inspiring. I must burn one of his CD?s and give them to my daughter, but only on the proviso she passes them on to her offspring and all that follow in our family crest. I will expect nothing less. His genius and message must live on. And, yes, somewhere in this awful stew, I did trip on the cord of sarcasm. Eminem represents so much of what is wrong with music today. The antithesis of The Beatles.
Ok my initial post was a little harsh, but I'll just say I think he's a genius.
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Certainly "genius" is an overused word these days. Just like "love."
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toris:
RMartinez:
kapoo:
RMartinez:
If Eminem is a genius, I'm a demigod.
You don't think Marshall Mathers is a lyrical genius?
Nope. But that's just me. Post some lyrics here, I am open to seeing what he has to say.
You doubt the mastery of the lyrics of the great Em? You gotta be kidding, right? The way this guy finds ways to rhyme two of the more offensive words of the English language beginning with F? And who would ever have foreseen the word he could find rhyme with ?hypocrite?? Genius. The clever manner in which he extols brandishing a knife whilst seeking revenge on a woman who jilted him? That?s love. It might have taken one mad man to find what he wanted out of Helter Skelter, but hundreds of mad men can find inspiration in the great Em?s lyrics. That?s how brilliant he is. His respect for women is unparalleled. It extends far beyond his use of the word ?b*tch?. Inspiring. I must burn one of his CD?s and give them to my daughter, but only on the proviso she passes them on to her offspring and all that follow in our family crest. I will expect nothing less. His genius and message must live on. And, yes, somewhere in this awful stew, I did trip on the cord of sarcasm. Eminem represents so much of what is wrong with music today. The antithesis of The Beatles.
Lol.
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Frank:
IN THE LAND OF MAKE BELIEVE.... Well i'm sorry the album is not doing well...not by any standard. The constant reference to Paul's age is irrelevant. 20 years ago Off The Ground did lousy too. Paul was 51. Elton John had Million sellers in the 90s, Dylan after his Renaissance in 97, Time Out of mind, modern Times etc. And if sales don't MEAN anything, because People are downloading illegally, i would have thought that Eminems audience would be ready and able to do so....instead he will end up selling millions worldwide The bitter truth is Paul has never recovered from his commercial slump in the mid-eighties. NEW is a great album, not a hit album. Simply enjoy it.
The only "standard" that really matters to me (and this applies to all of us, hopefully) is whether I like the album. I really don't care how many copies any album sells. If I like the album, I buy it and listen to it, and while listening to it, enjoy it. If Paul's new album does well, all the better. However, I've been keeping it on constant play and having a great time with it. I haven't checked its sales figures, and only know it's ranking because I subscribe to Rolling Stone magazine. It's great that it charted so high when it was released, but I lost interest in sales and chart positions pretty quickly, to be honest, in favor of just pure enjoyment of the songs. And if you don't think age has something to do with record sales, I'd love to live in your land of make believe.
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wingsdm posted this in another thread, but I think that it fits in this thread, too, given the conversation: McCartney's NEW holds value for young people: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/uloop/paul-mccartneys-new-still_b_4267243.html
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The new Billboard album chart is out, and "New" is now #40. So he's gone from 3 to 11 to 17 to 40.
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favoritething:
The new Billboard album chart is out, and "New" is now #40. So he's gone from 3 to 11 to 17 to 40.
Yes, I would have loved it if "New" did better in the charts but was wondering if at this stage of his career if sales or critical acclaim are more important for his legacy after the Beatles/Wings.
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yankeefan7:
favoritething:
The new Billboard album chart is out, and "New" is now #40. So he's gone from 3 to 11 to 17 to 40.
Yes, I would have loved it if "New" did better in the charts but was wondering if at this stage of his career if sales or critical acclaim are more important for his legacy after the Beatles/Wings.
I'd agree. I'm sure he'd love both, but the reissues are earning more acclaim than sales, also, and he seems pleased with that, at least from the PR releases from his team.
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walliebaby:
Frank:
IN THE LAND OF MAKE BELIEVE.... Well i'm sorry the album is not doing well...not by any standard. The constant reference to Paul's age is irrelevant. 20 years ago Off The Ground did lousy too. Paul was 51. Elton John had Million sellers in the 90s, Dylan after his Renaissance in 97, Time Out of mind, modern Times etc. And if sales don't MEAN anything, because People are downloading illegally, i would have thought that Eminems audience would be ready and able to do so....instead he will end up selling millions worldwide The bitter truth is Paul has never recovered from his commercial slump in the mid-eighties. NEW is a great album, not a hit album. Simply enjoy it.
The only "standard" that really matters to me (and this applies to all of us, hopefully) is whether I like the album. I really don't care how many copies any album sells. If I like the album, I buy it and listen to it, and while listening to it, enjoy it. If Paul's new album does well, all the better. However, I've been keeping it on constant play and having a great time with it. I haven't checked its sales figures, and only know it's ranking because I subscribe to Rolling Stone magazine. It's great that it charted so high when it was released, but I lost interest in sales and chart positions pretty quickly, to be honest, in favor of just pure enjoyment of the songs. And if you don't think age has something to do with record sales, I'd love to live in your land of make believe.
Well great i like the album too. Just thought that this is the thread about NEW in the charts, that' s why i gave a few examples of older artists doing Way better than Paul and adding that paul's sales did not drop with "Old Age" but that he ceased to be a commercial success in terms of album sales in the mid-eighties, when he was in his early forties. Obviously it's more difficult for someone in his sixties or seventies to be a huge seller in Pop Culture. Then again i find it striking that while other Pop legends have had their late Million sellers Paul WHO has continously released good to great albums from Fläming Pie onwards was not able to release a hit album in thirty years.
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Frank:
walliebaby:
Frank:
IN THE LAND OF MAKE BELIEVE.... Well i'm sorry the album is not doing well...not by any standard. The constant reference to Paul's age is irrelevant. 20 years ago Off The Ground did lousy too. Paul was 51. Elton John had Million sellers in the 90s, Dylan after his Renaissance in 97, Time Out of mind, modern Times etc. And if sales don't MEAN anything, because People are downloading illegally, i would have thought that Eminems audience would be ready and able to do so....instead he will end up selling millions worldwide The bitter truth is Paul has never recovered from his commercial slump in the mid-eighties. NEW is a great album, not a hit album. Simply enjoy it.
The only "standard" that really matters to me (and this applies to all of us, hopefully) is whether I like the album. I really don't care how many copies any album sells. If I like the album, I buy it and listen to it, and while listening to it, enjoy it. If Paul's new album does well, all the better. However, I've been keeping it on constant play and having a great time with it. I haven't checked its sales figures, and only know it's ranking because I subscribe to Rolling Stone magazine. It's great that it charted so high when it was released, but I lost interest in sales and chart positions pretty quickly, to be honest, in favor of just pure enjoyment of the songs. And if you don't think age has something to do with record sales, I'd love to live in your land of make believe.
Well great i like the album too. Just thought that this is the thread about NEW in the charts, that' s why i gave a few examples of older artists doing Way better than Paul and adding that paul's sales did not drop with "Old Age" but that he ceased to be a commercial success in terms of album sales in the mid-eighties, when he was in his early forties. Obviously it's more difficult for someone in his sixties or seventies to be a huge seller in Pop Culture. Then again i find it striking that while other Pop legends have had their late Million sellers Paul WHO has continously released good to great albums from Fläming Pie onwards was not able to release a hit album in thirty years.
I'm not sure why it matters so much if Paul sells a million albums or not, as he's been there, done that, while some of the other acts you've mentioned haven't had the sales Paul has had. Again, why worry how NEW sells, though? It's not like we're getting a cut of the sales. Enjoy the album and let the people Paul pays to worry about these things worry about them.