FourFiveSeconds- new collab. with Rihanna, Kanye and Paul
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oobu24:
Bruce M.:
flamingsachertorte:
The Eggman67:
flamingsachertorte:
The Eggman67:
ZodiakFool:
flamingsachertorte:
I really hope this is all just a phase that is over and done with that song. It's not a bad song, BUT he's working with those kind of ... I don't even want to say musicians, let's say entertainers, I always try to avoid. And I don't like that at all.
No doubt! That's what my grandmother said about Elvis.
And mine said it about The Beatles!
I'm lost. They said what about Elvis and The Beatles?
That they were just a phase, and they were not musicians, let's say entertainers... So, about the same thing you said about Kanye and Rihanna
My personal definitions are: Musicians; people who write, play and sing their own songs and don't feel the need for dressing up on stage and performing a dance routine, but are content with playing their instruments and singing. They are (mostly) remembered for their music. Entertainers: people who let write, are usually not seen with an instrument in their hands, need autotune, playback, a dance routine on stage and stage outfits that barely cover their bodies. They are remembered for their outfits, dance moves, bodies, scandals... For instance, when someone says Beatles, a song starts playing in my head. When someone says Kanye I think Kardashians. I'm not saying that "entertainers" are necessarily bad, they are just not my cup of tea
By your definition Elle Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra were not musicians. Yeah. Right.
I would say they were singers not musicians. Musicians play a musical instrument. Probably separate unions. lol Although Louis & Elvis did play instruments.
Exactly. Armstrong was known for his trumpet playing just as much as his singing. IMO - Elvis playing guitar was mostly a prop, especially in his later years.
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oobu24:
Bruce M.:
flamingsachertorte:
The Eggman67:
flamingsachertorte:
The Eggman67:
ZodiakFool:
flamingsachertorte:
I really hope this is all just a phase that is over and done with that song. It's not a bad song, BUT he's working with those kind of ... I don't even want to say musicians, let's say entertainers, I always try to avoid. And I don't like that at all.
No doubt! That's what my grandmother said about Elvis.
And mine said it about The Beatles!
I'm lost. They said what about Elvis and The Beatles?
That they were just a phase, and they were not musicians, let's say entertainers... So, about the same thing you said about Kanye and Rihanna
My personal definitions are: Musicians; people who write, play and sing their own songs and don't feel the need for dressing up on stage and performing a dance routine, but are content with playing their instruments and singing. They are (mostly) remembered for their music. Entertainers: people who let write, are usually not seen with an instrument in their hands, need autotune, playback, a dance routine on stage and stage outfits that barely cover their bodies. They are remembered for their outfits, dance moves, bodies, scandals... For instance, when someone says Beatles, a song starts playing in my head. When someone says Kanye I think Kardashians. I'm not saying that "entertainers" are necessarily bad, they are just not my cup of tea
By your definition Elle Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra were not musicians. Yeah. Right.
I would say they were singers not musicians. Musicians play a musical instrument. Probably separate unions. lol Although Louis & Elvis did play instruments.
If you think singing doesn't involve being a musician, you don't know anything about singing.
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yankeefan7:
Bruce M.:
By your definition Elle Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra were not musicians. Yeah. Right.
Sinatra and Ella were not musicians unless you define musician differently - lol.
Beg to differ here. This could be a whole separate discussion, and should be. A singing voice is a musical instrument. Elvis, Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Billie Holiday, Barbra Streisand, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey...I could go on and on with musicians who did not or do not play an instrument on stage. Their voice is their instrument. Bono and Madonna are two musicians who never played instruments onstage for years before they started playing guitars in concert. Elvis stopped playing guitar in his later concerts. It did not make any of them more or less of a musician.
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Rihanna has 13 #1 hits, tied for 3rd most all-time. She is only 7 away from tie-ing the Beatles record. She is only 26 and has the fastest pace of #1 hits, including the Beatles. I cant believe some of you who think she & Kanye are not worthy to collaborate with Paul.
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Anyway. Excuse me if this was posted before. Remember those high pitched sounds during the verses? Guess what!
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favoritething:
I get it, I really do. When we were all younger, everybody heard the same songs on the radio, and we all knew who all the popular artists were. Nowadays, everything is fragmented. We're all in our own bubbles, listening to what we want. An artist from another genre can have a number one album or a number one single on the Billboard chart, and 95% of the people in the country could have no idea who the heck they are, or have some distorted view based on their celebrity status. It just so happens that Paul broke through those barriers, but a lot of his fans haven't. It's a fact. People feel betrayed because they don't know what's going on. I understand the anger and confusion and frustration. This is totally alien to some people. It's not about who can sing or write songs or play instruments, or how they're dressed or whether they dance in their videos. It's about being an adult with the pressures of daily life, with jobs, kids, bills, aging parents. When you're young, especially a teenager, you have time to absorb all this new stuff, but now, you just don't care. And that's okay. And Paul will perform with Kanye and Rihanna and everything will be fine.
You're right. I don't care. Sunday night I am watching Better Call Saul!
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yankeefan7:
Bruce M.:
flamingsachertorte:
The Eggman67:
flamingsachertorte:
The Eggman67:
ZodiakFool:
flamingsachertorte:
I really hope this is all just a phase that is over and done with that song. It's not a bad song, BUT he's working with those kind of ... I don't even want to say musicians, let's say entertainers, I always try to avoid. And I don't like that at all.
No doubt! That's what my grandmother said about Elvis.
And mine said it about The Beatles!
I'm lost. They said what about Elvis and The Beatles?
That they were just a phase, and they were not musicians, let's say entertainers... So, about the same thing you said about Kanye and Rihanna
My personal definitions are: Musicians; people who write, play and sing their own songs and don't feel the need for dressing up on stage and performing a dance routine, but are content with playing their instruments and singing. They are (mostly) remembered for their music. Entertainers: people who let write, are usually not seen with an instrument in their hands, need autotune, playback, a dance routine on stage and stage outfits that barely cover their bodies. They are remembered for their outfits, dance moves, bodies, scandals... For instance, when someone says Beatles, a song starts playing in my head. When someone says Kanye I think Kardashians. I'm not saying that "entertainers" are necessarily bad, they are just not my cup of tea
By your definition Elle Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra were not musicians. Yeah. Right.
Sinatra and Ella were not musicians unless you define musician differently - lol.
I don't know about Ol' Blue Eyes, but Ella played trumpet and clarinet. I think that's what shaped her phenomenal scatting skills. Check this out -- she and Mel Torme show 'em how it's done at the '76 Grammys. You will be cheering by the end of this:
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Bruce M.:
oobu24:
Bruce M.:
flamingsachertorte:
The Eggman67:
flamingsachertorte:
The Eggman67:
ZodiakFool:
flamingsachertorte:
I really hope this is all just a phase that is over and done with that song. It's not a bad song, BUT he's working with those kind of ... I don't even want to say musicians, let's say entertainers, I always try to avoid. And I don't like that at all.
No doubt! That's what my grandmother said about Elvis.
And mine said it about The Beatles!
I'm lost. They said what about Elvis and The Beatles?
That they were just a phase, and they were not musicians, let's say entertainers... So, about the same thing you said about Kanye and Rihanna
My personal definitions are: Musicians; people who write, play and sing their own songs and don't feel the need for dressing up on stage and performing a dance routine, but are content with playing their instruments and singing. They are (mostly) remembered for their music. Entertainers: people who let write, are usually not seen with an instrument in their hands, need autotune, playback, a dance routine on stage and stage outfits that barely cover their bodies. They are remembered for their outfits, dance moves, bodies, scandals... For instance, when someone says Beatles, a song starts playing in my head. When someone says Kanye I think Kardashians. I'm not saying that "entertainers" are necessarily bad, they are just not my cup of tea
By your definition Elle Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra were not musicians. Yeah. Right.
I would say they were singers not musicians. Musicians play a musical instrument. Probably separate unions. lol Although Louis & Elvis did play instruments.
If you think singing doesn't involve being a musician, you don't know anything about singing.
Typically, I define a musician as anyone who makes music. Then... ...I remember how much I resent groups like N'Sync, etc. being referred to as "boy bands." If it's not a collective unit of folks playing instruments, it ain't a "band." The same could be said for acts like Three Dog Night. They were not an actual band. But I digress.
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RMartinez:
favoritething:
I get it, I really do. When we were all younger, everybody heard the same songs on the radio, and we all knew who all the popular artists were. Nowadays, everything is fragmented. We're all in our own bubbles, listening to what we want. An artist from another genre can have a number one album or a number one single on the Billboard chart, and 95% of the people in the country could have no idea who the heck they are, or have some distorted view based on their celebrity status. It just so happens that Paul broke through those barriers, but a lot of his fans haven't. It's a fact. People feel betrayed because they don't know what's going on. I understand the anger and confusion and frustration. This is totally alien to some people. It's not about who can sing or write songs or play instruments, or how they're dressed or whether they dance in their videos. It's about being an adult with the pressures of daily life, with jobs, kids, bills, aging parents. When you're young, especially a teenager, you have time to absorb all this new stuff, but now, you just don't care. And that's okay. And Paul will perform with Kanye and Rihanna and everything will be fine.
You're right. I don't care. Sunday night I am watching Better Call Saul!
What about when Rihanna joined Coldplay at the 2012 Grammys on "Princess Of China"? It was, unexpectedly for me, one of the best performances of the night. -- just Chris Martin(is that his name?) on guitar and both of them singing. I think this Sunday's performance will be along those lines. Folks are panicking, as if Macca is gonna start human-beat-boxing on stage, or something. I'll grant that Better Call Saul is definitely some darn good tv.
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I will resist looking up the definition of "musician"..... But, I'm thinking the greatest component of any song would be the vocal.... unless one is "The Shadows"... and even then, are they regarded as musicians or instrumentalists?....so, whilst I understand that the necessity of an instrument attached to one's hands, mouth or even feet might be the key ingredients to one being called a 'musician', I'm still thinking a pretty key factor is the voice. Timing, phrasing and pitch. And above all charisma. Thank you, Elvis. One of the greatest musicians that graced this land.
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Incidentally, Elvis was a fair rhythm guitarist, and he even had a couple of bluesy licks that were purely his own. However, he actually had a much wider command of the piano than guitar: Elvis playing an impromptu '50s boogie-woogie/early rock & roll-style piano at a '70 Vegas show:
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nobodytoldme:
Anyway. Excuse me if this was posted before. Remember those high pitched sounds during the verses? Guess what!
Thanks for posting! Already thought it was him!
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The Eggman67:
nobodytoldme:
Anyway. Excuse me if this was posted before. Remember those high pitched sounds during the verses? Guess what!
Thanks for posting! Already thought it was him!
It sounds way better at its correct pitch. I thought Rihanna had gone into labor.
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audi:
The Eggman67:
nobodytoldme:
Anyway. Excuse me if this was posted before. Remember those high pitched sounds during the verses? Guess what!
Thanks for posting! Already thought it was him!
It sounds way better at its correct pitch. I thought Rihanna had gone into labor.
I had my doubts, but I thought it was typical Paul
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You're good.
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audi:
You're good.
Well, the conclusion we can make out of this all, is that a speed-up Paul sounds like a Rihanna in labor
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audi:
Incidentally, Elvis was a fair rhythm guitarist, and he even had a couple of bluesy licks that purely his own. However, he actually had a much wider command of the piano than guitar: Elvis playing an impromptu '50s boogie-woogie/early rock & roll-style piano at a '70 Vegas show:
I'm with you!.... And he looked good with the guitar strapped around him in the '68 comeback special!
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The Eggman67:
audi:
You're good.
Well, the conclusion we can make out of this all, is that a speed-up Paul sounds like a Rihanna in labor
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toris:
audi:
Incidentally, Elvis was a fair rhythm guitarist, and he even had a couple of bluesy licks that purely his own. However, he actually had a much wider command of the piano than guitar: Elvis playing an impromptu '50s boogie-woogie/early rock & roll-style piano at a '70 Vegas show:
I'm with you!.... And he looked good with the guitar strapped around him in the '68 comeback special!