FourFiveSeconds- new collab. with Rihanna, Kanye and Paul
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[quote="oobu24"][quote="love2travel"]Slightly off topic... I really loved Rihanna's pink dress... she looked very beautiful ! That big pink thing? She looks like a f***ing cupcake! lol (I see someone already mentioned that!)
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audi:
Paul McCartney's music has been utterly toxic to Top 40 radio since the late-'80s. It's as if it was against every radio-programmer's religion to add a Paul McCartney single to their rotation.
Paul lasted longer than anyone I can remember. He was in his mid-40s when he still had Top 10 singles in the States (Spies like us). Flowers shocked Paul. When those singles went nowhere, he probably knew the gig was up in terms of generating hits. If he had released Flower in the early 80s, he would have had a few Top 10 hits from that album.
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JoeySmith:
audi:
Paul McCartney's music has been utterly toxic to Top 40 radio since the late-'80s. It's as if it was against every radio-programmer's religion to add a Paul McCartney single to their rotation.
Paul lasted longer than anyone I can remember. He was in his mid-40s when he still had Top 10 singles in the States (Spies like us). Flowers shocked Paul. When those singles went nowhere, he probably knew the gig was up in terms of generating hits. If he had released Flower in the early 80s, he would have had a few Top 10 hits from that album.
The only formats that play Paul anymore are Triple A and Adult Contemporary, both of which are geared toward older audiences and play a mix of old and new music. Even a major hit in those formats gets at best 10% of the spins a major hit in Top 40 gets, so what is still one major route by which people hear new music is closed to our boy. But that's the way it goes. The stations that made the Beatles big in the sixties had long ago stopped playing Bing Crosby records.
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Bruce M.:
JoeySmith:
audi:
Paul McCartney's music has been utterly toxic to Top 40 radio since the late-'80s. It's as if it was against every radio-programmer's religion to add a Paul McCartney single to their rotation.
Paul lasted longer than anyone I can remember. He was in his mid-40s when he still had Top 10 singles in the States (Spies like us). Flowers shocked Paul. When those singles went nowhere, he probably knew the gig was up in terms of generating hits. If he had released Flower in the early 80s, he would have had a few Top 10 hits from that album.
The only formats that play Paul anymore are Triple A and Adult Contemporary, both of which are geared toward older audiences and play a mix of old and new music...
I no longer have that option. The Triple A station in my city has gone full indie-rock now. Lots of pansy-boys in skinny jeans. I can accept that, but here's what puzzles me: This same station played Chrissie Hynde's last single last summer, and they wore out Tom Petty's recent single... ...but completely ignored NEW. Also: I think Adult Contemporary stations abandoned McCartney's new releases around the same time Top 40 radio did -- because I haven't heard a Paul McCartney record on those stations in years either.
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JoeySmith:
audi:
Paul McCartney's music has been utterly toxic to Top 40 radio since the late-'80s. It's as if it was against every radio-programmer's religion to add a Paul McCartney single to their rotation.
Paul lasted longer than anyone I can remember. He was in his mid-40s when he still had Top 10 singles in the States (Spies like us). Flowers shocked Paul. When those singles went nowhere, he probably knew the gig was up in terms of generating hits. If he had released Flower in the early 80s, he would have had a few Top 10 hits from that album.
He's had hits well into the 2000's with Fine Line, Dance Tonight, and My Valentine, all of which he promoted heavily in concert. These songs are played more than you know. Just because a song isn't played on Top 40 doesn't mean it isn't a hit.
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I was fortunate that my local Triple A actually played "New" and "Queenie Eye," especially the latter, a good amount. That was the most I can remember any of his songs on the radio around here since a few obligatory plays of "The World Tonight" on our dying rock station in the '90s. Where Paul is the most popular is with whomever makes those monthly playlists of "mood music" that gets played in offices and malls and Home Depots around the country. Working in such an office from 2009-13, I heard "Fine Line" countless times, and it's hard to remember for sure, but I think "Dance Tonight" got played too. Also heard a lot of: Put It There, My Brave Face, With A Little Luck, Silly Love Songs, Band On The Run, Another Day, plus Wonderful Christmastime every December. For most of that time, the monthly mix was always a sort of Adult Contemporary / Triple A mixture, with a dollop of alternative / indie. Paul has long been a puzzle to radio programmers: somehow not cool enough for heavy play on rock stations, too brainy or quirky (or old) for pop, out of step with the times stylistically, whatever. This new song was a curveball to everyone, and does not pander to any format or audience. But it's so darn catchy, and the mixture of talents is so unique and headline-grabbing, it has quickly overcome the "This is just wrong!" reaction to become a true sensation. Has there ever been a song like this topping the R&B chart before? If the two singers were completely unknown, it would be a Triple A smash, but it can't get arrested on my local station. EDIT: I really should say that if he had this song sung by, say, Brandi Carlile and Justin Townes Earle, it would be a huge Triple A hit.
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oobu24:
toris:
favoritething:
toris:
Bruce M.:
audi:
I can't believe so many people are still getting fished-in with Kanye West's bait. This is all hype. And all sides are benefiting: It gives him coverage, and it gives the media a new hot-topic to cover ad nauseam... ...instead of reporting news items of valuable substance. Of course, we know that corporate-media's goal is not to report real news anyway. Enough already. Stop being naive, America.
Well said, Audi. Thanks!
Well, there might be more than a shadow of truth in the media controlling the "output of real news". The worldwide media is one hell of a controlling beast. Perhaps it is an extension or branch of Freemasonry or other secret non-Dan Brown-proclaimed societies that have proliferated through time.... but that is for another argument. In the meantime, Kanye is the "A" in "A-hole". He is the "Dis" in "Disrespect". He is an embarrassment on the entire music industry. It was bad enough Madonna felt the need to bare her butt in the name of "keeping myself relevant". I can only imagine she is still wallowing in distress after Mr. Kardashian had the temerity to rob her of her moment of indignity. All in the name of "relevance"! ... She actually right now is probably cowering against the veins of her pathetically-induced man-biceps as we speak. I welcome the open letter from Shirley Manson from Garbage. And Paul Stanley from KISS said it best. Something about a kick in the nuts. Mister Kardashian never seems to surprise with his petulance and immaturity. How can one respect him? He's too stupid to put his arms up in tepid defence and claim it was some publicity stunt. And he pretty much showed that it was no publicity stunt. He meant it. He's one of the dumbest folks I've ever witnessed, through speech and the lameness of expression on his face, and there's a hell of a comparative idiocy parading about in the "celebrity/reality" world. But he is just so dumb, it ain't funny. I think Mr. T said it best.... "I pity the fool." Kanye is an embarrassment to every true "artist" that was in the room, apparently celebrating music. Their night of nights. Geez, imagine if that kind of insolence was on show at the Academy or Emmy Awards. Mr. K is not only a jerk. He is a joke. Worse still, for him.... a parody.
He's not calling it a media conspiracy in that sense, just that they know they will get more viewers by reporting celebrity news than geopolitical news or climate change or any number of other worthwhile issues. Or they'll spend weeks talking about one missing airplane, or one missing vacationer in Aruba, or one murder trial. Anything for drama. Substance is boring; they'll lose money and viewers if they report it, simple as that. No, sorry, Kanye knows how to get attention, and the media and social media give it to him every time. He's better off NOT calling it a publicity stunt, apparently, because "FourFiveSeconds" and "Only One" are both still selling better than they did before the Grammys.
I am totally agreeing with the notion that the press will be happier to report this Kanye business rather than real news. It's a convenient diversion from real news. So, we're agreed on that. And you are right. The media isn't going to lift this story for something that might actually have more meaning in the world. That was not my point on that one. I was agreeing with the point that the media would prefer to push "irrelevance" rather than "priority", especially when it does sell papers ("papers" being an old terminology", of course)... so, I think we agreed on that. As for Kanye, I don't care whether it is a publicity stunt or whatever, I just find his actions disrespectful. To the music industry as a whole. For the purposes of this argument, I don't care whether he is a genius or the brush that wipes away grime from a toilet bowl. That argument can remain subjective. My argument for these purposes is that he single-handedly tried to diminish the worth of the premier musical accolade... a Grammy. Now, I don't rate the Grammy Awards anymore, but it is still the pinnacle of their awards season. He disrespected it. Made it a farce. I'm not sure I will hear any actor or actress leap up from their chair, bound on stage during the Academy Awards and tell Tom Hanks or Marissa Tomei or whoever that they were not deserving. That fraternity shows respect. That is my underlying issue in this particular thread. RESPECT. My distaste of Mr. Kardashian's music is no doubt layered somewhere else on other threads!... of course.
Toris. You speak the truth.
Right back at you, Oobu!
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Nancy R:
oobu24:
love2travel:
Slightly off topic... I really loved Rihanna's pink dress... she looked very beautiful !
That big pink thing? https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/1071x14002-e1423465482788.jpg
She looks like a f***ing cupcake! (I see someone already mentioned that!)
And both are very tasty dishes.... I did my best to keep my response clean. Hope I succeeded.
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I hope Linda McCartney wasn't reading this. 9. He compares collaborating with Paul McCartney to a certain angsty musician "I might be a little bit more angst than Paul. And remember the last time when Paul had somebody really angst working with them, the type of music they made? Hey everyone, America, I'm not comparing myself to John Lennon, I'm just saying I'm angst a bit like John Lennon. And the tension creates a new magic. The pressure creates the diamond from the coal. And he came in with the best vibes ever, and I said, 'Four, five, seconds from wildin',' and he said, 'It's great everyone,' and we just had that. Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/kanye-west-gets-deep-with-ryan-seacrest-11-things-we-learned-20150211#ixzz3RXo5GM6Y
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beatlesfanrandy:
JoeySmith:
audi:
Paul McCartney's music has been utterly toxic to Top 40 radio since the late-'80s. It's as if it was against every radio-programmer's religion to add a Paul McCartney single to their rotation.
Paul lasted longer than anyone I can remember. He was in his mid-40s when he still had Top 10 singles in the States (Spies like us). Flowers shocked Paul. When those singles went nowhere, he probably knew the gig was up in terms of generating hits. If he had released Flower in the early 80s, he would have had a few Top 10 hits from that album.
He's had hits well into the 2000's with Fine Line, Dance Tonight, and My Valentine, all of which he promoted heavily in concert. These songs are played more than you know. Just because a song isn't played on Top 40 doesn't mean it isn't a hit.
No, actually it does. a 'Hit' record is one that charts on the main charts of respective countries. Macca hasn't had that in years because he is too old for pop radio. He's had great songs in the last decade, but not hit songs. Frankly i'm fine with that, though I am happy that this collaboration is also doing well. Would love for him to have gotten to sing a verse, but otherwise this is the only way his music will be played on a wide basis on radio and in downloads - at least until the day he dies. RamblinRed
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toris:
oobu24:
toris:
favoritething:
toris:
Bruce M.:
audi:
I can't believe so many people are still getting fished-in with Kanye West's bait. This is all hype. And all sides are benefiting: It gives him coverage, and it gives the media a new hot-topic to cover ad nauseam... ...instead of reporting news items of valuable substance. Of course, we know that corporate-media's goal is not to report real news anyway. Enough already. Stop being naive, America.
Well said, Audi. Thanks!
Well, there might be more than a shadow of truth in the media controlling the "output of real news". The worldwide media is one hell of a controlling beast. Perhaps it is an extension or branch of Freemasonry or other secret non-Dan Brown-proclaimed societies that have proliferated through time.... but that is for another argument. In the meantime, Kanye is the "A" in "A-hole". He is the "Dis" in "Disrespect". He is an embarrassment on the entire music industry. It was bad enough Madonna felt the need to bare her butt in the name of "keeping myself relevant". I can only imagine she is still wallowing in distress after Mr. Kardashian had the temerity to rob her of her moment of indignity. All in the name of "relevance"! ... She actually right now is probably cowering against the veins of her pathetically-induced man-biceps as we speak. I welcome the open letter from Shirley Manson from Garbage. And Paul Stanley from KISS said it best. Something about a kick in the nuts. Mister Kardashian never seems to surprise with his petulance and immaturity. How can one respect him? He's too stupid to put his arms up in tepid defence and claim it was some publicity stunt. And he pretty much showed that it was no publicity stunt. He meant it. He's one of the dumbest folks I've ever witnessed, through speech and the lameness of expression on his face, and there's a hell of a comparative idiocy parading about in the "celebrity/reality" world. But he is just so dumb, it ain't funny. I think Mr. T said it best.... "I pity the fool." Kanye is an embarrassment to every true "artist" that was in the room, apparently celebrating music. Their night of nights. Geez, imagine if that kind of insolence was on show at the Academy or Emmy Awards. Mr. K is not only a jerk. He is a joke. Worse still, for him.... a parody.
He's not calling it a media conspiracy in that sense, just that they know they will get more viewers by reporting celebrity news than geopolitical news or climate change or any number of other worthwhile issues. Or they'll spend weeks talking about one missing airplane, or one missing vacationer in Aruba, or one murder trial. Anything for drama. Substance is boring; they'll lose money and viewers if they report it, simple as that. No, sorry, Kanye knows how to get attention, and the media and social media give it to him every time. He's better off NOT calling it a publicity stunt, apparently, because "FourFiveSeconds" and "Only One" are both still selling better than they did before the Grammys.
I am totally agreeing with the notion that the press will be happier to report this Kanye business rather than real news. It's a convenient diversion from real news. So, we're agreed on that. And you are right. The media isn't going to lift this story for something that might actually have more meaning in the world. That was not my point on that one. I was agreeing with the point that the media would prefer to push "irrelevance" rather than "priority", especially when it does sell papers ("papers" being an old terminology", of course)... so, I think we agreed on that. As for Kanye, I don't care whether it is a publicity stunt or whatever, I just find his actions disrespectful. To the music industry as a whole. For the purposes of this argument, I don't care whether he is a genius or the brush that wipes away grime from a toilet bowl. That argument can remain subjective. My argument for these purposes is that he single-handedly tried to diminish the worth of the premier musical accolade... a Grammy. Now, I don't rate the Grammy Awards anymore, but it is still the pinnacle of their awards season. He disrespected it. Made it a farce. I'm not sure I will hear any actor or actress leap up from their chair, bound on stage during the Academy Awards and tell Tom Hanks or Marissa Tomei or whoever that they were not deserving. That fraternity shows respect. That is my underlying issue in this particular thread. RESPECT. My distaste of Mr. Kardashian's music is no doubt layered somewhere else on other threads!... of course.
Toris. You speak the truth.
Right back at you, Oobu!
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Why would Paul want to be associated with this racist?
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What a stupid prat this guy is, thinks he has the same impact John had on Paul Why did Paul have to collaborate with this tosspot
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alexio91:
What a stupid prat this guy is, thinks he has the same impact John had on Paul Why did Paul have to collaborate with this tosspot
Kookoo West is aiming for the 5th Beatle position.
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Elvis Costello and Denny Laine are more like John Lennon that this idiot.
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I thought Kanye had done enough until he actually in any way shape or form compared himself to John Lennon. : John had talent. He was a musical genius. He is a legend. He was groovy. He will always be remembered in our hearts. ️ Kanye will never be close to John, ever. Tra la la la. I cannot understand why Paul is wasting his time on Kanye. He is just being disrespectful that is not the same as having Angst. Alas there are many mysteries in this Universe. As for Rihannah's dress, the pink one, she is even more beautiful when her face is exposed more than her body. She does not have to over sexualize herself. And she can sing. Just my two cents. I would not have even commented if he had not invoked the name of John Lennon.
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To be clear, Kanye said, "Hey, everyone, America, I'm not comparing myself to John Lennon." Someone else in the room suggested that Lennon was a comparison point, and Kanye only took it as far as saying that Paul tends toward the sweet and Kanye tends toward the bitter. You can't deny that this song does combine those elements, and it's because of their personalities. Of course, I wouldn't call it as good as Lennon-McCartney, or McCartney-Costello, but the result of the mixture of Paul and Kanye's sensibilities does make for a potent mix. And Kanye has apologized to Beck.
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He apologized because of the bad media attention. What else could he do?
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Kanye was in his way, comparing himself to John. He should not have even let the name out of his mouth. Jmo.
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favoritething:
To be clear, Kanye said, "Hey, everyone, America, I'm not comparing myself to John Lennon." Someone else in the room suggested that Lennon was a comparison point, and Kanye only took it as far as saying that Paul tends toward the sweet and Kanye tends toward the bitter. You can't deny that this song does combine those elements, and it's because of their personalities. Of course, I wouldn't call it as good as Lennon-McCartney, or McCartney-Costello, but the result of the mixture of Paul and Kanye's sensibilities does make for a potent mix. And Kanye has apologized to Beck.
Well said. It sure seems like some folks on here are in a big hurry to jump to the worst possible interpretation of everything Kanye says or does. Yeah, he's a jerk sometimes (as are most of us), but try to have an open mind, people.