Could the new Kanye/McCartney single All Day be his best?
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I have thought about McCartney experimenting with hip hop since the 90s. He did the techno Fireman records... But it never really happened back then. You had all this Gangsta Rap... When I read that he had done some stuff with Kanye West, I thought, why him? I'm not extremely familiar with his music but from things I've read and heard is he considered some kind of a studio production genius in his field. And there is a pop sensibility to his rap. So... I don't know, but...
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brettb3:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
favoritething:
Well, THAT review certainly isn't very favorable!
I guess Paul sings during the final minute...if one can get that far into the "song". There is speculation that Paul's 1970 song.....being considered for "RAM", entitled"When The Wind Is Blowing,"...is used in the melody, if there is a melody in there somewhere. Paul's involvement with Kanye smacks of desperation on his part. Kanye is not the genius the music world seems to think he is This is just the latest example. Not sure who is using whom in all this.....Paul's involvement just saddens me..... ops:
I don't think it's desperate at all. Paul has always liked working with interesting artists. And whether you like it or not, Kanye is one of the most significant artists of this generation.
Significant HIP HOP artist. His influence is not as widespread as the Beatles were in the 60s and beyond. But in his genre? Yes.
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Hendrix Ibsen:
I have thought about McCartney experimenting with hip hop since the 90s. But it never really happened back then. You had all this Gangsta Rap... When I read that he had done some stuff with Kanye West, I thought, why him? I'm not extremely familiar with his music but from things I've read and heard is he considered some kind of a studio production genius. And there is a pop sensibility to his rap. So... I don't know, but...
That's true, he first cut his teeth in the business as a producer. People will say he's not the greatest MC from a technical standpoint, but he's quite possibly the greatest producer hip hop has ever seen. The soundscapes he creates are pretty amazing.
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RMartinez:
brettb3:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
favoritething:
Well, THAT review certainly isn't very favorable!
I guess Paul sings during the final minute...if one can get that far into the "song". There is speculation that Paul's 1970 song.....being considered for "RAM", entitled"When The Wind Is Blowing,"...is used in the melody, if there is a melody in there somewhere. Paul's involvement with Kanye smacks of desperation on his part. Kanye is not the genius the music world seems to think he is This is just the latest example. Not sure who is using whom in all this.....Paul's involvement just saddens me..... ops:
I don't think it's desperate at all. Paul has always liked working with interesting artists. And whether you like it or not, Kanye is one of the most significant artists of this generation.
Significant HIP HOP artist. His influence is not as widespread as the Beatles were in the 60s and beyond. But in his genre? Yes.
Nobody has been as influential as the Beatles. But hip hop has been in the mainstream for many years. Its influence spreads throughout popular music (well, maybe outside of country).
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brettb3:
RMartinez:
brettb3:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
favoritething:
Well, THAT review certainly isn't very favorable!
I guess Paul sings during the final minute...if one can get that far into the "song". There is speculation that Paul's 1970 song.....being considered for "RAM", entitled"When The Wind Is Blowing,"...is used in the melody, if there is a melody in there somewhere. Paul's involvement with Kanye smacks of desperation on his part. Kanye is not the genius the music world seems to think he is This is just the latest example. Not sure who is using whom in all this.....Paul's involvement just saddens me..... ops:
I don't think it's desperate at all. Paul has always liked working with interesting artists. And whether you like it or not, Kanye is one of the most significant artists of this generation.
Significant HIP HOP artist. His influence is not as widespread as the Beatles were in the 60s and beyond. But in his genre? Yes.
Nobody has been as influential as the Beatles. But hip hop has been in the mainstream for many years. Its influence spreads throughout popular music (well, maybe outside of country).
Fair enough. But is he more influential than, say, Snoop Dogg or Eminem? I don't know. Maybe he is. The most influential. Obviously he is big enough for Paul to take notice. In any event, may they make more music together if that is what they want to do!
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I have not read all of the responses but Im in agreement with those who have pointed out the use of the N Word in the song. Ive tried to overlook it, but I could not bring myself to get to Sir Paul's part because I could not get past the first minute of the song. To say that hip hop artists use the word does not justify it in the least. It is a vile word and should not be celebrated. No one would be pleased to hear Sir Paul sing the words: "All Day N%^&%" I know his part comes at the end and he doesnt say it but he could not get away with saying that word no matter how beloved he is. No one should say that word. I have tremendous respect for Sir Paul, but I dont like his association with this particular song.
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brettb3:
Hendrix Ibsen:
I have thought about McCartney experimenting with hip hop since the 90s. But it never really happened back then. You had all this Gangsta Rap... When I read that he had done some stuff with Kanye West, I thought, why him? I'm not extremely familiar with his music but from things I've read and heard is he considered some kind of a studio production genius. And there is a pop sensibility to his rap. So... I don't know, but...
That's true, he first cut his teeth in the business as a producer. People will say he's not the greatest MC from a technical standpoint, but he's quite possibly the greatest producer hip hop has ever seen. The soundscapes he creates are pretty amazing.
Yeah exactly, the soundscapes... I've listened to some of his music and I hear the smoothness but there is a reason for me to be a McCartney fan, and it's because he can write SONGS, I love "Sgt. Pepper", the production... but you can also strip it down to the songwriting. I think for McCartney to collaborate with Kanye West is not just him trying be hip with a young crowd, I think he chose him for musical reasons, they can bounce off each other, as both are masters in their respective fields, so to speak. Well, it's how I imagine... :
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But I must also say that for my part I think "All Day" is a bit disappointing, after the catchy and collaborative successful smash hit "FourFiveSeconds". But this is perhaps meant to be a little more trashy?
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RMartinez:
brettb3:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
favoritething:
Well, THAT review certainly isn't very favorable!
I guess Paul sings during the final minute...if one can get that far into the "song". There is speculation that Paul's 1970 song.....being considered for "RAM", entitled"When The Wind Is Blowing,"...is used in the melody, if there is a melody in there somewhere. Paul's involvement with Kanye smacks of desperation on his part. Kanye is not the genius the music world seems to think he is This is just the latest example. Not sure who is using whom in all this.....Paul's involvement just saddens me..... ops:
I don't think it's desperate at all. Paul has always liked working with interesting artists. And whether you like it or not, Kanye is one of the most significant artists of this generation.
Significant HIP HOP artist. His influence is not as widespread as the Beatles were in the 60s and beyond. But in his genre? Yes.
Nobody has been as influential as the Beatles. But hip hop has been in the mainstream for many years. Its influence spreads throughout popular music (well, maybe outside of country).
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yankeefan7:
audi:
yankeefan7:
JoeySmith:
yankeefan7:
audi:
I grew up in the south, and I went to school with and had many, many white friends. It amused me more than it did anger me when a friend's dad would greet me with the occasional "What's happenin', my brother?." I knew that they were trying to, let's ay, relate. But, no -- white folks using the "n-word" (in either incarnation) directly at black folks is ill-advised.
"But, no -- white folks using the "n-word" (in either incarnation) directly at black folks is ill-advised" IMO - McCartney being on this record is just as bad because it is like he approves of it being used and he is a white man. I also think this is amazing from the man who tells us the story of the song "Blackbird" being about the Civil Rights struggle and then finds it no problem "rolling with it" while songs says the term not once but many times.
Lets not forget Lennon used the word in the title of a single in 1972, no less, before hip hop existed.
Yes he did and I thought that was horrible also.
I like the record. And I like the message more, albeit a stark one.
Understood but Mr. Lennon could have made the same point without using that word IMO.
Huh? Lennon got blasted by fans/critics for his 1972 use of the N word in the title of a single. IMO, it was far worse than the All Day single. Lennon was trying to compare women's lib to racial discrimination, which seemed like a ridiculous comparison to me (& obviously influenced by Yoko). Lennon had to apologize & explain what his intent was using the word.
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I've often said here that I'm a completest. I've listened to the entire "song" once and that was enough. I would not buy it (download it) even if Paul was having an orgasm in addition to whistling and singing at the end!
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RMartinez:
brettb3:
RMartinez:
brettb3:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
favoritething:
Well, THAT review certainly isn't very favorable!
I guess Paul sings during the final minute...if one can get that far into the "song". There is speculation that Paul's 1970 song.....being considered for "RAM", entitled"When The Wind Is Blowing,"...is used in the melody, if there is a melody in there somewhere. Paul's involvement with Kanye smacks of desperation on his part. Kanye is not the genius the music world seems to think he is This is just the latest example. Not sure who is using whom in all this.....Paul's involvement just saddens me..... ops:
I don't think it's desperate at all. Paul has always liked working with interesting artists. And whether you like it or not, Kanye is one of the most significant artists of this generation.
Significant HIP HOP artist. His influence is not as widespread as the Beatles were in the 60s and beyond. But in his genre? Yes.
Nobody has been as influential as the Beatles. But hip hop has been in the mainstream for many years. Its influence spreads throughout popular music (well, maybe outside of country).
Fair enough. But is he more influential than, say, Snoop Dogg or Eminem? I don't know. Maybe he is. The most influential. Obviously he is big enough for Paul to take notice. In any event, may they make more music together if that is what they want to do!
He's definitely more influential than Snoop Dogg. Eminem is probably on a similar plane. It's tough to compare him to the earlier days of the genre, but there probably hasn't been a more significant hip hop artist over the last 10 years or so.
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Nancy R:
I've often said here that I'm a completest. I've listened to the entire "song" once and that was enough. I would not buy it (download it) even if Paul was having an orgasm in addition to whistling and singing at the end!
Glad we got that cleared up!
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I think Eminem is more like a storyteller, he was produced by Dr. Dre, who is one the influential hip hop producers, I believe he also produced Snoop Doggy Dogg. Snoop to me is attitude, he's Gangsta Rap... So, at least the way I see Kanye West, is he somewehere between Dr. Dre and... :
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Hendrix Ibsen:
I think Eminem is more like a storyteller, he was produced by Dr. Dre, who is one the influential hip hop producers, I believe he also produced Snoop Doggy Dogg. Snoop to me is attitude, he's Gangsta Rap... So, at least the way I see Kanye West, is he somewehere between Dr. Dre and... :
I would say Jay-Z has had the most influence the past 10-15 years. He also has more crossover appeal.
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Yeah right, Jay-Z is also a big one. I'm more into 90s hip hop because I worked in a record store then. It's not really the style I follow up close. The big names, it is impossible not to notice anyway, hip hop stars are celebrities. But it was not necessarily the influence I thought most about, more where Kanye West belongs stylistic in the genre, who he is comparable to, but also outside of it. I've read people who has named him as a hip hop Brian Wilson. I haven't listened enought to his music to have such an opinion. So.., but I read stuff about him. It's an interesting comparison.
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I don't get Jay-Z either, to be honest.
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No, I will not say I have played a lot of Jay-Z on my stereo. DJ Danger Mouse made a combination of the Beatles The White Album and Jay-Z The Black Album in 2004, and called it "The Grey Album". I have a download of it, but for me it was the sort of thing that is interesting news/experiment but becomes a dust collector in the long run.
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I'd always wondered about that Grey Album thing. Glad to know that I'm not missing out on too much. But I'll check it out one of these days.
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It's worth a listen. It is perhaps not quite officially accepted but I think it got good reviews. Maybe I remember wrong but I believe that McCartney has also commented it favorably. What I notice with myself is that I think "FourFiveSeconds" is a good song. But it is perhaps not so much hip hop in this song... Not that music must have a melody or be catchy but the way I hear it is hip hop more layers of studio production than songwriting. I think it maybe is why I don't play it frequently. My music taste is slightly based on The Beatles. :