And now the time is near....
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SusyLuvsPaul:
I didn't say anyone wasn't a "fan" on this thread. I do find it bizarre that at this site of all places you can't praise Macca wholeheartedly without being pounced on and his so-called shortcomings pointed out. Many people don't think he sounds all that bad "live" on t.v. But God help you if you dare to say that. Even here. Martin by the way has always backed up what he states with a plethora of facts and statistics, or almost always, seems to almost have the mind of a lawyer or such. He asked where's the "official" proof and statements that Macca is going downhill real bad, and the poster was unable to come up with anything "official." But sneered at Martin anyway. Elton John must have known his voice wasn't up to par but that didn't stop him from singing at the Diamond Jubilee concert. He sounded the worst of anyone I heard that night. I still liked seeing him there. Most people have the sense not to expect rock stars or anyone to look and sound as they did starting out many decades ago. They have empathy and understanding.
The people who dare to say this or that wasn't so good get a harder time on here than the people who think everything is a bed of roses and is as sweet as strawberry jam with vanilla ice cream sprinkled with hundreds & thousands & topped off with a cadburys flake. How boring would life be if we were all like Zombies walking the same walk & grunting the same grunt?
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Did someone somewhere report that Paul wan't happy with the rock album he's making? whats the deal there?
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kapoo:
Did someone somewhere report that Paul wan't happy with the rock album he's making? whats the deal there?
Its all a bit vague at the moment unless that Stuart Bell dude starts giving us current Paul news instead of Sunday paper reports.
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A creaking door hangs the longest. ripped off from our resident Kes
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Macsback:
kapoo:
Did someone somewhere report that Paul wan't happy with the rock album he's making? whats the deal there?
Its all a bit vague at the moment unless that Stuart Bell dude starts giving us current Paul news instead of Sunday paper reports.
Yeah no kidding.. I say if Paul has any doubt about anyone, he should drop them and do it himself especially issues with a producer, if thats what it is. Or he could just get back with David Kahne, I liked where they were headed on MAF. Is Kahne even still in the business!? wonder who he's working with.
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I think some big fans of this board are overreacting, anyone could have a bad day and Paul is more than a "singer", then you can't judge him just for his voice. Maybe he should take a break and have some vacations...work so hard like he does could be bad for his vocals. I'm sure that if he take a rest, he will come back like new for Olympics.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
I didn't say anyone wasn't a "fan" on this thread. I do find it bizarre that at this site of all places you can't praise Macca wholeheartedly without being pounced on and his so-called shortcomings pointed out. Many people don't think he sounds all that bad "live" on t.v. But God help you if you dare to say that. Even here. Martin by the way has always backed up what he states with a plethora of facts and statistics, or almost always, seems to almost have the mind of a lawyer or such. He asked where's the "official" proof and statements that Macca is going downhill real bad, and the poster was unable to come up with anything "official." But sneered at Martin anyway. Elton John must have known his voice wasn't up to par but that didn't stop him from singing at the Diamond Jubilee concert. He sounded the worst of anyone I heard that night. I still liked seeing him there. Most people have the sense not to expect rock stars or anyone to look and sound as they did starting out many decades ago. They have empathy and understanding.
We should all know by now Suzy, that Paul has some "Anti-fans" here who carp at his every move. Let's be grateful that Paul chooses to ignore crap like this. I will see him next chance I get and I will love every second of it.
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Friends... ...just watched our Paulie's set again. Some of y'all need to chill the f-ck out. This man has got a LOT of Macca-vocal-magic in him yet. Much ado about, well, not quite nothin', but still... ...just chill. Damn. Some of you sound like you're ready to dig the man's grave.
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I will repeat, he was awesome at the grammies. Let's hope that's the type of performance he gives at the Olympics.
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audi:
Friends... ...just watched our Paulie's set again. Some of y'all need to chill the f-ck out. This man has got a LOT of Macca-vocal-magic in him yet. Much ado about, well, not quite nothin', but still... ...just chill. Damn. Some of you sound like you're ready to dig the man's grave.
Thank you for saying this. I'm just shaking my head at some of the comments in this thread, like one that said he should drop out of performing at the Olympics. Maybe some should be a bit more appreciative about what Paul has given the world in the past 50 years instead of whining about what Paul should and should not do.
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beatlesfanrandy:
SusyLuvsPaul:
I didn't say anyone wasn't a "fan" on this thread. I do find it bizarre that at this site of all places you can't praise Macca wholeheartedly without being pounced on and his so-called shortcomings pointed out. Many people don't think he sounds all that bad "live" on t.v. But God help you if you dare to say that. Even here. Martin by the way has always backed up what he states with a plethora of facts and statistics, or almost always, seems to almost have the mind of a lawyer or such. He asked where's the "official" proof and statements that Macca is going downhill real bad, and the poster was unable to come up with anything "official." But sneered at Martin anyway. Elton John must have known his voice wasn't up to par but that didn't stop him from singing at the Diamond Jubilee concert. He sounded the worst of anyone I heard that night. I still liked seeing him there. Most people have the sense not to expect rock stars or anyone to look and sound as they did starting out many decades ago. They have empathy and understanding.
We should all know by now Suzy, that Paul has some "Anti-fans" here who carp at his every move. Let's be grateful that Paul chooses to ignore crap like this. I will see him next chance I get and I will love every second of it.
The people who feel disturbed by Paul's vocal decline and prefer to see him go out on top as a live performer rather than be seen as a sad shadow of his former self are NOT "anti-fans." If anything it's the people ignoring reality and chirping mindlessly that Paul can do no wrong are the real anti-fans. True fans have open eyes and open minds, even when what those eyes and minds take in is difficult.
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Bruce M.:
beatlesfanrandy:
SusyLuvsPaul:
I didn't say anyone wasn't a "fan" on this thread. I do find it bizarre that at this site of all places you can't praise Macca wholeheartedly without being pounced on and his so-called shortcomings pointed out. Many people don't think he sounds all that bad "live" on t.v. But God help you if you dare to say that. Even here. Martin by the way has always backed up what he states with a plethora of facts and statistics, or almost always, seems to almost have the mind of a lawyer or such. He asked where's the "official" proof and statements that Macca is going downhill real bad, and the poster was unable to come up with anything "official." But sneered at Martin anyway. Elton John must have known his voice wasn't up to par but that didn't stop him from singing at the Diamond Jubilee concert. He sounded the worst of anyone I heard that night. I still liked seeing him there. Most people have the sense not to expect rock stars or anyone to look and sound as they did starting out many decades ago. They have empathy and understanding.
We should all know by now Suzy, that Paul has some "Anti-fans" here who carp at his every move. Let's be grateful that Paul chooses to ignore crap like this. I will see him next chance I get and I will love every second of it.
The people who feel disturbed by Paul's vocal decline and prefer to see him go out on top as a live performer rather than be seen as a sad shadow of his former self are NOT "anti-fans." If anything it's the people ignoring reality and chirping mindlessly that Paul can do no wrong are the real anti-fans. True fans have open eyes and open minds, even when what those eyes and minds take in is difficult.
Wow it's comments like these that keep me a way from this board a lot. I get so tired of regulars here calling themselves "True Fans" while the rest of us aren't. Not all of us are ignoring reality and saying Paul can do no wrong . (we all know from history he is far from perfect) Some of us just get tired of the endless whining here. Paul re-releases an album and OMG he should have done this and this and this and NOT this. Paul goes on a tour, OMG he should be singing this and this and this. That is one of the reasons why I said above that some folks need to take a step back and relish in all of the wonderful things Paul has given the world in the last 50 years.
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Good god we're all fans otherwise we wouldn't even be on this forum! So what if a fan feels differently than you do, people have different opinions, there is no wrong one. We're all saying these things because we're fans of the man and his music, someone who calls himself a "true fan" isn't any more of a fan than someone who likes to be positive about the man and vice versa! (This isn't to any one person specifically so no need to be offended)
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I would hope my view is as valid as anyone else's ?! I am a fan.....never said I was a bigger or better fan than anyone else, but I do feel that live perfomances in every aspect ie. song selection, vocals & the band themselves are doing his reputation no favours & unless there is a massive change on all fronts, then the Sinatra route beckons. If you still think Paul is cute & sings like he did ion 64 or 76 great........I dont & neither do alot of people. Studio wise he will come up trumps no doubt & I eagerly await the next release.
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Macca Mad:
I would hope my view is as valid as anyone else's ?! I am a fan.....never said I was a bigger or better fan than anyone else, but I do feel that live perfomances in every aspect ie. song selection, vocals & the band themselves are doing his reputation no favours & unless there is a massive change on all fronts, then the Sinatra route beckons. If you still think Paul is cute & sings like he did ion 64 or 76 great........I dont & neither do alot of people. Studio wise he will come up trumps no doubt & I eagerly await the next release.
He blew away South America and Mexico. Shut the hell up!
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beatlesfanrandy:
Macca Mad:
I would hope my view is as valid as anyone else's ?! I am a fan.....never said I was a bigger or better fan than anyone else, but I do feel that live perfomances in every aspect ie. song selection, vocals & the band themselves are doing his reputation no favours & unless there is a massive change on all fronts, then the Sinatra route beckons. If you still think Paul is cute & sings like he did ion 64 or 76 great........I dont & neither do alot of people. Studio wise he will come up trumps no doubt & I eagerly await the next release.
He blew away South America and Mexico. Shut the hell up!
no need to be so rude about it.just about sums up your opinion. maccamad is a friend of mine who puts his point over way better than me and certainly not an ignorant unfortunate like yourself.
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My own take on this is that everyone's view points are valid but that Paul should (and no doubt will) carry on doing whatever he wants to, for as long as humanly possible. I seem to remember him being asked on the Put It There DVD back in '89 if he ever saw a day when he would stop doing music. Didn't he say he wasn't even interested in the question? I think, as Paul fans, we have to accept this - it's part and parcel of the man and his music. And I think the evidence shows he's far from washed up just yet, especially when it comes to songwriting: (I Want To) Come Home, Electric Arguments, Only Our Hearts etc. Now, I accept that this means making music - both on stage and in the studio - that is good and bad (and we all have our views on which is which). But that's the nature of a true artist, surely, and certainly of Paul's career - and I, for one, celebrate it. I accept the good (My Valentine) with the bad (Nod Your Head) - only my opinion!! Whilst it pains me to say it, in my view, Paul's voice has been suffering since I first saw him live in '89. I remember my Dad saying he didn't sound as good as he used to (and I think I kind of knew it too). And only the other day I fished out my CD of Knebworth '90 (one of my very first CDs) and, frankly, didn't think Paul sounded great, especially on Coming Up. But, the thing is, in the intervening 23 years he HAS sounded fantastic, both on record and live. Personally I'd say some of his best singing ever is on Run Devil Run. He's not too shabby on Flaming Pie either, or Back In The US/World. Funny how Paul could sound much better, in my opinion, live in 2002 than he did in 1990! Maybe he's been guilty of over-using his voice over the years, and relying on 'instinct' and the fact that he's NOT musically trained in any way. Perhaps he could have protected his vocal cords more, but then what would we, as fans, missed out on? And, more importantly, would Paul have been happy?? I think, from a singing point of view, Paul should concentrate on singing in the range that works now (I personally think he sounds great on most of Kisses On The Bottom). That perhaps means not insisting on proving he can still sing I'm Down in the original key, which I think would be hard for him (to admit, I mean). I can't blame him - I for one will be over the moon if I have half the energy and vitality Paul has at (nearly) 70! But something probably does have to give, I'd agree with that, and I'd be happy to see Paul really concentrate on his strengths now, in 2012, which for me means writing and recording first and foremost. But I would not agree Paul should ditch the Olympic gig (not that he ever would). And I agree with whoever said there may be an element of overreaction concerning his vocals and performance at the Jubilee. Sorry for rambling.
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Bruce M.:
beatlesfanrandy:
SusyLuvsPaul:
I didn't say anyone wasn't a "fan" on this thread. I do find it bizarre that at this site of all places you can't praise Macca wholeheartedly without being pounced on and his so-called shortcomings pointed out. Many people don't think he sounds all that bad "live" on t.v. But God help you if you dare to say that. Even here. Martin by the way has always backed up what he states with a plethora of facts and statistics, or almost always, seems to almost have the mind of a lawyer or such. He asked where's the "official" proof and statements that Macca is going downhill real bad, and the poster was unable to come up with anything "official." But sneered at Martin anyway. Elton John must have known his voice wasn't up to par but that didn't stop him from singing at the Diamond Jubilee concert. He sounded the worst of anyone I heard that night. I still liked seeing him there. Most people have the sense not to expect rock stars or anyone to look and sound as they did starting out many decades ago. They have empathy and understanding.
We should all know by now Suzy, that Paul has some "Anti-fans" here who carp at his every move. Let's be grateful that Paul chooses to ignore crap like this. I will see him next chance I get and I will love every second of it.
The people who feel disturbed by Paul's vocal decline and prefer to see him go out on top as a live performer rather than be seen as a sad shadow of his former self are NOT "anti-fans." If anything it's the people ignoring reality and chirping mindlessly that Paul can do no wrong are the real anti-fans. True fans have open eyes and open minds, even when what those eyes and minds take in is difficult.
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paulfan11:
Bruce M.:
beatlesfanrandy:
SusyLuvsPaul:
I didn't say anyone wasn't a "fan" on this thread. I do find it bizarre that at this site of all places you can't praise Macca wholeheartedly without being pounced on and his so-called shortcomings pointed out. Many people don't think he sounds all that bad "live" on t.v. But God help you if you dare to say that. Even here. Martin by the way has always backed up what he states with a plethora of facts and statistics, or almost always, seems to almost have the mind of a lawyer or such. He asked where's the "official" proof and statements that Macca is going downhill real bad, and the poster was unable to come up with anything "official." But sneered at Martin anyway. Elton John must have known his voice wasn't up to par but that didn't stop him from singing at the Diamond Jubilee concert. He sounded the worst of anyone I heard that night. I still liked seeing him there. Most people have the sense not to expect rock stars or anyone to look and sound as they did starting out many decades ago. They have empathy and understanding.
We should all know by now Suzy, that Paul has some "Anti-fans" here who carp at his every move. Let's be grateful that Paul chooses to ignore crap like this. I will see him next chance I get and I will love every second of it.
The people who feel disturbed by Paul's vocal decline and prefer to see him go out on top as a live performer rather than be seen as a sad shadow of his former self are NOT "anti-fans." If anything it's the people ignoring reality and chirping mindlessly that Paul can do no wrong are the real anti-fans. True fans have open eyes and open minds, even when what those eyes and minds take in is difficult.
Wow it's comments like these that keep me a way from this board a lot. I get so tired of regulars here calling themselves "True Fans" while the rest of us aren't. Not all of us are ignoring reality and saying Paul can do no wrong . (we all know from history he is far from perfect) Some of us just get tired of the endless whining here. Paul re-releases an album and OMG he should have done this and this and this and NOT this. Paul goes on a tour, OMG he should be singing this and this and this. That is one of the reasons why I said above that some folks need to take a step back and relish in all of the wonderful things Paul has given the world in the last 50 years.
dear oh dear. 16 posts in and you are an expert on the messageboard. infact if we abide be your suggested rules there would be nothing left to talk about,hence the board would probably ceases to exist. of course I still feel you are more than entitled to your own viewpoint/stance on this and that is the difference between many of us on here
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Vintage Clothes:
My own take on this is that everyone's view points are valid but that Paul should (and no doubt will) carry on doing whatever he wants to, for as long as humanly possible. I seem to remember him being asked on the Put It There DVD back in '89 if he ever saw a day when he would stop doing music. Didn't he say he wasn't even interested in the question? I think, as Paul fans, we have to accept this - it's part and parcel of the man and his music. And I think the evidence shows he's far from washed up just yet, especially when it comes to songwriting: (I Want To) Come Home, Electric Arguments, Only Our Hearts etc. Now, I accept that this means making music - both on stage and in the studio - that is good and bad (and we all have our views on which is which). But that's the nature of a true artist, surely, and certainly of Paul's career - and I, for one, celebrate it. I accept the good (My Valentine) with the bad (Nod Your Head) - only my opinion!! Whilst it pains me to say it, in my view, Paul's voice has been suffering since I first saw him live in '89. I remember my Dad saying he didn't sound as good as he used to (and I think I kind of knew it too). And only the other day I fished out my CD of Knebworth '90 (one of my very first CDs) and, frankly, didn't think Paul sounded great, especially on Coming Up. But, the thing is, in the intervening 23 years he HAS sounded fantastic, both on record and live. Personally I'd say some of his best singing ever is on Run Devil Run. He's not too shabby on Flaming Pie either, or Back In The US/World. Funny how Paul could sound much better, in my opinion, live in 2002 than he did in 1990! Maybe he's been guilty of over-using his voice over the years, and relying on 'instinct' and the fact that he's NOT musically trained in any way. Perhaps he could have protected his vocal cords more, but then what would we, as fans, missed out on? And, more importantly, would Paul have been happy?? I think, from a singing point of view, Paul should concentrate on singing in the range that works now (I personally think he sounds great on most of Kisses On The Bottom). That perhaps means not insisting on proving he can still sing I'm Down in the original key, which I think would be hard for him (to admit, I mean). I can't blame him - I for one will be over the moon if I have half the energy and vitality Paul has at (nearly) 70! But something probably does have to give, I'd agree with that, and I'd be happy to see Paul really concentrate on his strengths now, in 2012, which for me means writing and recording first and foremost. But I would not agree Paul should ditch the Olympic gig (not that he ever would). And I agree with whoever said there may be an element of overreaction concerning his vocals and performance at the Jubilee. Sorry for rambling.
Not a rambling VC, it was a well balanced post