And now the time is near....
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walliebaby:
forget 64:
Performers old or new stop when the bottom line in the music or any other industry is no longer there, MONEY!!, As long as people are spending money on his product he is quite relevant. We can all have our opinion, and that is all we have an opinion, but the bottom line is and will always be does it sell? As the saying goes money talks Bull***t walks. Every concert I have been to of Paul McCarney's has been sold out. Top VIP ticket prices in the states for the concerts I have been to start at $2,000.00. In NYC Madison Square Garden 4 nights, Yankee Stadium, Citi field , all multiple nights Sold Out!
I don't think Paul's bottom line is money, though, forget64. To a certain extent, yes, and anyone having paid the exorbitant fees to attend his shows can attest to that, but let's face it, Paul's music isn't selling like hotcakes on iTunes or Billboard. I mean, how much money could Ocean's Kingdom have possibly made? Classical work is not a big seller. Paul doesn't just make music for the money. I'm sure the money helps, mind you. He doesn't promote his new releases during concerts; if he was after more money he would, and he'd sell his CD's at the merchandise booth. He doesn't do either, really. He likes making music, and he likes performing. THAT'S the bottom line. If people stopped buying tickets for stadium shows, I think he'd move to smaller venues. He can't stop playing or performing--it's in his blood. His passion is the bottom line.
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walliebaby:
forget 64:
Performers old or new stop when the bottom line in the music or any other industry is no longer there, MONEY!!, As long as people are spending money on his product he is quite relevant. We can all have our opinion, and that is all we have an opinion, but the bottom line is and will always be does it sell? As the saying goes money talks Bull***t walks. Every concert I have been to of Paul McCarney's has been sold out. Top VIP ticket prices in the states for the concerts I have been to start at $2,000.00. In NYC Madison Square Garden 4 nights, Yankee Stadium, Citi field , all multiple nights Sold Out!
I don't think Paul's bottom line is money, though, forget64. To a certain extent, yes, and anyone having paid the exorbitant fees to attend his shows can attest to that, but let's face it, Paul's music isn't selling like hotcakes on iTunes or Billboard. I mean, how much money could Ocean's Kingdom have possibly made? Classical work is not a big seller. Paul doesn't just make music for the money. I'm sure the money helps, mind you. He doesn't promote his new releases during concerts; if he was after more money he would, and he'd sell his CD's at the merchandise booth. He doesn't do either, really. He likes making music, and he likes performing. THAT'S the bottom line. If people stopped buying tickets for stadium shows, I think he'd move to smaller venues. He can't stop playing or performing--it's in his blood. His passion is the bottom line.
I agree with most of what you are saying. A billionaire does not need the money! Yes, his passion is definitely why he still plays, why else, no argument here!!. My post refers exclusively to my opinion that he should still be performing live, as opposed to others who think he should not. If he performs and sells out over and over again multiple nights especially at high prices there is still a large demand for his performances, he's relevant and should be playing If there wasn't the demand to sell out large venues he wouldn't be playing there. If there wasn't the demand to sell out small halls he wouldn't be playing there. People spend their money to see him play that's what I meant by the bottom line.
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its quite sad IF he is dictated by money and sold out shows. he should be playing what he loves for the love of it only at his stage. also if sold out shows is the barrometer being used to define his current worth then im afraid he is on the way down...sales figures have not been as good for his RECENTISH tours ..he still does very well,especially in new territories like south america..however it was only two years ago that he struggled to sell tickets for his first ever UK stadium tour ..infact tickets where almost given away for peanuts nearer the time of the concerts just to fill the gaps...huge question marks still remain over his cancelled denmark shows a few weeks ago and many australian fans are wondering why he hasnt come back and fulfilled his promise to come back and play there after his cancellations due to suspected poor ticket sales 10 years ago. dont get me wrong,im pretty sure mccartneys touring is hugely lucrative and one of the top showbiz tours out there...however i feel his live brand has been overexposed since 2002] and he has lost a bit of stardust from his name..... thats my view anyway and ive said nothing about his vocals
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Edith_gdl:
21st Century Paul:
harleyblues:
21st Century Paul:
harleyblues:
Edith_gdl:
lazydynamite88:
jlw44:
walliebaby:
This is the point where my head explodes. This internet opinion piece is talking about who should have closed the Olympics opening ceremonies: Paul or One Direction. Seriously. http://celebs.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981517407
Seriously do we think Olympic stadium would have broken out in a One Direction song yesterday? It seems ridiculous that any of this stuff is taken seriously.
from where i was watching the whole olympic stadium only gave a luke warm response to 'hey jude' anyway.....part of the problem was that macca came on way too late at the end of a long night after athletes paraded around a track for 2 hours....forgetting what anyone thinks of maccas performance [lets not go there again ] i thought the scheduling was bizzarr and wrong......'one diection' im not even sure who there are,but im sure they are a modern band ,so YES they should have been on instead of macca...time for the old brigade to move on ...this is not their time anymore
You're not sure who they are and that's why you're saying they should have been on instead of Macca. I hate their music and I know a LOT of people that turn off the telly when they appear. The old brigade haven't moved on because musicians like One Direction are trash. People from latinoamerica are still laughing for the "One Erection" video (one person making fun of their fans). One Direction (for me) is like a band with 5 biebers.
LOL a manufactured pop band by Simon Cowell.. I've heard them.. typical boy band stand there & sing songs written by someone else...
I'm sure the songs will go like "I'll never let you go/I can't live without you" and kinds of emotional abuse stuff as usual. :
hahahahhahaha right!
sometimes I think that kind of lyrics should be forbidden... "if you were my girlfriend... I'D NEVER LET YOU GO" How horrible is that But the teens doesn't realize when listening to it.
You know that they don't know what are those pretty faces singing. Also most of latin american girls even know the lyrics and sing like "hkgdfadhsgñgfdkjhaflkdsjkljhfdlaa", I mean, they don't know English and sing stupidities
Well, I think it's better than they don't know English, cause if they sang the real lyrics they will be singing real stupidities
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MaccaBeatles:
None of this matters, years from now history will prove Paul McCartney's place in music history along side John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Frank Sinatra, Brian Wilson, Ray Davies, Rodgers and Hart, Beethoven, Mozart, Elvis Presley, Irving Berlin, George Gershwin, Miles Davis, Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Bing Crosby, etc. These same people will be saying when Paul's no longer here how much they loved his music....
Paul is better than all that, actually the ones above that are alive have admitted it (Dylan, Wilson...). Actually is Paul is already considered like that. The rest of great musicians behave like fans of his music. He's the Captain of The Old Guard. Oh captain my captain! Wait a minute, I'm not part of the Old Guard! ...the Captain of All Guards. Paul "The Captain", I like that.
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Nancy R:
Everybody here, please vote for The Beatles (They're at #4) http://www.parade.com/celebrity/news/2012/08/01-all-time-favorite-boy-band.html Big Time Rush (whoever the hell they are) are #1, Jonas Brothers #2, One Direction #3 P.S. I can't believe they are even calling The Beatles a "boy band" but there you have it!
Maybe they're at number 4 because people know they were NOT a boy band....that was my reaction when I saw the Parade magazine article. (The little notation by their names was: Cue the screaming girls....or something like that. All the girls/guys who sreamed for them in 1964 ain't little 13-year olds now, so likely would not be voting in this contest or even reading/knowing about it. Just let it slip on by.....it's nonsense.
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walliebaby:
forget 64:
Performers old or new stop when the bottom line in the music or any other industry is no longer there, MONEY!!, As long as people are spending money on his product he is quite relevant. We can all have our opinion, and that is all we have an opinion, but the bottom line is and will always be does it sell? As the saying goes money talks Bull***t walks. Every concert I have been to of Paul McCarney's has been sold out. Top VIP ticket prices in the states for the concerts I have been to start at $2,000.00. In NYC Madison Square Garden 4 nights, Yankee Stadium, Citi field , all multiple nights Sold Out!
I don't think Paul's bottom line is money, though, forget64. To a certain extent, yes, and anyone having paid the exorbitant fees to attend his shows can attest to that, but let's face it, Paul's music isn't selling like hotcakes on iTunes or Billboard. I mean, how much money could Ocean's Kingdom have possibly made? Classical work is not a big seller. Paul doesn't just make music for the money. I'm sure the money helps, mind you. He doesn't promote his new releases during concerts; if he was after more money he would, and he'd sell his CD's at the merchandise booth. He doesn't do either, really. He likes making music, and he likes performing. THAT'S the bottom line. If people stopped buying tickets for stadium shows, I think he'd move to smaller venues. He can't stop playing or performing--it's in his blood. His passion is the bottom line.
Another question then...why does he cater to the Beatles crowd? He KNOWS that is a money maker. Concerts, itunes, dvds, anthologys, remakes, video games, cartoons, rockband, etc. He is keeping the Beatles alive yes because he wrote or cowrote most of the songs...but if it was just for the music...why not do more of your solo stuff?
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oobu24:
Hi passion is the bottom line.
Another question then...why does he cater to the Beatles crowd? He KNOWS that is a money maker. Concerts, itunes, dvds, anthologys, remakes, video games, cartoons, rockband, etc. He is keeping the Beatles alive yes because he wrote or cowrote most of the songs...but if it was just for the music...why not do more of your solo stuff? Because most people who go to his concerts expect him to do Beatles' songs. If he had not been a Beatle, we may (quite likely) have never heard of him, no matter how great his musical talent. That's just how it is.
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I still personally think that he does Beatles songs because he loves those songs and wants to do them. He had very little time if any as a Beatle to do them and when the Beatles did tour they did 12 songs in 30 minutes, and pretty much the same 12. Until recently he never did the majority of the songs he does in concert. And he is the only person alive who is able to do them with one of the original voices. He has a unique product and after watching him so many times you can see how much he enjoys doing those songs. I'm not sure he gets the same pleasure from his newer material. His hardcore fans want to see that, but not general fans. Face it his last hit was about 25 years ago. Unless he's ready to do small clubs on the stool with his fans you aren't going to see him give up attracting the crowds while he can. But I don't think he's doing it just for the money. He's doing it because he wants to and loves these songs.
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I like how you but that JWL. He loves those songs, he loves the memories of the Beatles.
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Not to cause a stir, but...
jlw44:
.... Until recently he never did the majority of the songs he does in concert...
If by "recently" you mean the last 22 years, then...
jlw44:
...He has a unique product and after watching him so many times you can see how much he enjoys doing those songs...
And included in that unique product is an arsenal of Gold/Platinum/Grammy-nominated/critically well-regarded solo albums that fans like me wonder why he ignores.
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Audi, the music of the past few albums is fantastic, I agree with you. But the masses haven't heard those recordings, simple as that. He could promote them more, but he's not doing the massive OTG and FITD tours. Even the tour plugging DR was bigger than he's doing now. That was pre-custody demands. So we are getting a more intimate look at this work, like KOTB. The masses know the Beatle tunes, and basically from the feedback they get at the shows, Paul knows they are enjoying themselves. When he throws in an obsure song (Come and Get it) there is a hush in the crowd. No artist wants to play to that.
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DennyC:
Audi, the music of the past few albums is fantastic, I agree with you. But the masses haven't heard those recordings, simple as that. He could promote them more, but he's not doing the massive OTG and FITD tours. Even the tour plugging DR was bigger than he's doing now. That was pre-custody demands. So we are getting a more intimate look at this work, like KOTB. The masses know the Beatle tunes, and basically from the feedback they get at the shows, Paul knows they are enjoying themselves. When he throws in an obsure song (Come and Get it) there is a hush in the crowd. No artist wants to play to that.
You're right: Realistically, 50,000 people aren't going to roar to one relatively obscure song after another. And I'm sure that Paul loves the huge crowds -- and the adulation that usually comes with them. But -- on an artistic, personal level -- I wonder if Paul would be up to the challenge of doing a one or two-time series of smaller concerts featuring his solo catalogue. I'm grateful for the live versions of The Fireman tracks; I'm grateful for the live versions of "Calico Skies," "Flaming Pie," "Only Mama Knows," "House Of Wax" and so on. I just don't believe those are enough.
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When the crowd is having a great time, the artist feeds off it. It a natural response. I was lucky enough to be a shows where he did perform cd cuts and obsure songs. But when you play for the masses, you have to know your audience. That's the showman in Paul. He wants to please. At this point, the big shows are a mixture of what he thinks most want and what he wants to play. He's not beholden to the record company to plug anything. House of Wax live was unbelievable.
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DennyC:
...When he throws in an obsure song (Come and Get it) there is a hush in the crowd. No artist wants to play to that.
That reminds me of another issue: That is an example that Paul focuses on The Beatles a bit too much. The rumor is that Paul wasn't pleased with the lukewarm response from the audience. It's a great song, but -- just because it's, technically, a Beatles song -- doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to get ear-shattering applause. I think the crowds would've preferred "Listen To What The Man Said" or "Silly Love Songs."
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Would the crowd prefer that. I love Wings too, and I'm not that upset about the setlist. I'm one of those annoying people that go to see Paul perform, not so much worry about what he sings. But if pressed, neither of those songs would be on my list to hear. Come and Get it would, Letting go was a great addition. Can''t please everyone. lol
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DennyC:
Would the crowd prefer that. I love Wings too, and I'm not that upset about the setlist. I'm one of those annoying people that go to see Paul perform, not so much worry about what he sings. But if pressed, neither of those songs would be on my list to hear. Come and Get it would, Letting go was a great addition. Can''t please everyone. lol
When it comes to the concerts, it's tough being a solo-McCartney fan. I celebrate his Beatles legacy, too. Staggering amount of work.
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audi:
DennyC:
Audi, the music of the past few albums is fantastic, I agree with you. But the masses haven't heard those recordings, simple as that. He could promote them more, but he's not doing the massive OTG and FITD tours. Even the tour plugging DR was bigger than he's doing now. That was pre-custody demands. So we are getting a more intimate look at this work, like KOTB. The masses know the Beatle tunes, and basically from the feedback they get at the shows, Paul knows they are enjoying themselves. When he throws in an obsure song (Come and Get it) there is a hush in the crowd. No artist wants to play to that.
You're right: Realistically, 50,000 people aren't going to roar to one relatively obscure song after another. And I'm sure that Paul loves the huge crowds -- and the adulation that usually comes with them. But -- on an artistic, personal level -- I wonder if Paul would be up to the challenge of doing a one or two-time series of smaller concerts featuring his solo catalogue. I'm grateful for the live versions of The Fireman tracks; I'm grateful for the live versions of "Calico Skies," "Flaming Pie," "Only Mama Knows," "House Of Wax" and so on. I just don't believe those are enough.
I've often said here that when he does 2 nites in one city he could do a nite for the Beatle people (usual show) and a nite with more recent stuff & more Fireman (I'm with you on that Audi). He could advertise it as such & I bet a lot of people would go to both show.
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while that is a great idea, it's not practical. The way tickets are scalped and sold out in minutes, people will try for the show they get tickets for.
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oobu24:
audi:
DennyC:
Audi, the music of the past few albums is fantastic, I agree with you. But the masses haven't heard those recordings, simple as that. He could promote them more, but he's not doing the massive OTG and FITD tours. Even the tour plugging DR was bigger than he's doing now. That was pre-custody demands. So we are getting a more intimate look at this work, like KOTB. The masses know the Beatle tunes, and basically from the feedback they get at the shows, Paul knows they are enjoying themselves. When he throws in an obsure song (Come and Get it) there is a hush in the crowd. No artist wants to play to that.
You're right: Realistically, 50,000 people aren't going to roar to one relatively obscure song after another. And I'm sure that Paul loves the huge crowds -- and the adulation that usually comes with them. But -- on an artistic, personal level -- I wonder if Paul would be up to the challenge of doing a one or two-time series of smaller concerts featuring his solo catalogue. I'm grateful for the live versions of The Fireman tracks; I'm grateful for the live versions of "Calico Skies," "Flaming Pie," "Only Mama Knows," "House Of Wax" and so on. I just don't believe those are enough.
I've often said here that when he does 2 nites in one city he could do a nite for the Beatle people (usual show) and a nite with more recent stuff & more Fireman (I'm with you on that Audi). He could advertise it as such & I bet a lot of people would go to both show.
I'd be all for it.