THE NEXT DELUXE/REMASTERED ALBUM FROM PAUL
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B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
I know it says it was co-written, but it doesn't give the credit mostly to EC or say that it was about/for his grandmother! That was my point, that Paul didn't have as much to do with that particular song.
___________________________________________________ Nancy, Please excuse me...I thought you might have missed the line where it did acknowledge that the song was cowritten by Elvis. I do agree that the writer should have emphasized that the lyrics came from Elvis with his grandmother being the inspiration. But we'll have to agree to disagree with your last comment about Paul not having much to do with "That Day is Done". It's like trying to say who was more important Burt Bacharach or Hal David. The lyrics or the music. Same analogy can be made about Elton John and Bernie Taupin. What is more important...the lyrics or the music. At the end of the day with popular music, they are equal in my opinion. Just as this article says (and points that Elvis Costello has publicly stated) Paul had a lot to do with the melody of the song...the song's structure, the chorus, the song's title being sung in triplicate etc. Yes, the lyrics and basic story were Elvis's so he was at least 50% but the song didn't become the gospel oriented song without Paul doing significant things to the music. I have read Elvis statements in the past that have confirmed what the article said. I think if Paul had little to do with the song except adding/changing a word or two in the lyrics, Elvis would have taken it for his own Album...Spike.
I said Paul didn't have "as much to do" with That Day Is Done. Not that he "did not have much to do with it." Subtle difference, I know.
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thenightfish:
I like Ou Est. The video is very cute, that's probably one reason. I think it was originally released as a 12" single and had a couple of dance mixes too. I also remember it being one of the last songs played on the PA at Paul's 1990 shows, just before the movie started. Probably another reason I like it.
You can download all the versions with the deluxe set. (Probably will only listen to them once as I don't like the song)
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B J Conlee:
thenightfish:
I like Ou Est. The video is very cute, that's probably one reason. I think it was originally released as a 12" single and had a couple of dance mixes too. I also remember it being one of the last songs played on the PA at Paul's 1990 shows, just before the movie started. Probably another reason I like it.
_________________________________________________________ thenightfish, Always great to get other opinions on Paul songs especially the more obscure ones. I was at the 1990 show in Philadelphia. Don't remember hearing "Ou Est Le Soleil" before the show. Because it was so long ago, I get confused. I remember one tour where they had a movie (basically an environmental movie) before the show. Was that the tour promoting Off the Ground. Then there was the tour where Paul had a "pre-show" with "live performers" coming out doing different things. It was kind of weird but pretty neat and totally different. Was that the tour promoting Flowers in the Dirt.
The live performers was 2002. Was the environmental movie The 1993 tour? In 1990 there was a movie with Paul's history, wasn't there? Lots of Beatles stuff? Or am I "misremembering?"
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Nancy R:
B J Conlee:
thenightfish:
I like Ou Est. The video is very cute, that's probably one reason. I think it was originally released as a 12" single and had a couple of dance mixes too. I also remember it being one of the last songs played on the PA at Paul's 1990 shows, just before the movie started. Probably another reason I like it.
_________________________________________________________ thenightfish, Always great to get other opinions on Paul songs especially the more obscure ones. I was at the 1990 show in Philadelphia. Don't remember hearing "Ou Est Le Soleil" before the show. Because it was so long ago, I get confused. I remember one tour where they had a movie (basically an environmental movie) before the show. Was that the tour promoting Off the Ground. Then there was the tour where Paul had a "pre-show" with "live performers" coming out doing different things. It was kind of weird but pretty neat and totally different. Was that the tour promoting Flowers in the Dirt.
The live performers was 2002. Was the environmental movie The 1993 tour? In 1990 there was a movie with Paul's history, wasn't there? Lots of Beatles stuff? Or am I "misremembering?"
Yes, 2002 for the live performers, kind of like a circus, but not athletic like Cirque du Soleil (Ou est?). In 2005, he had the Twin Freaks DJ doing remixes, which I could tell was annoying the older fans, haha. I don't specifically remember "Ou Est" before the 1990 show, but could have been. That was the first stadium show I remember actually having good sound.
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Nancy R:
B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
I know it says it was co-written, but it doesn't give the credit mostly to EC or say that it was about/for his grandmother! That was my point, that Paul didn't have as much to do with that particular song.
___________________________________________________ Nancy, Please excuse me...I thought you might have missed the line where it did acknowledge that the song was cowritten by Elvis. I do agree that the writer should have emphasized that the lyrics came from Elvis with his grandmother being the inspiration. But we'll have to agree to disagree with your last comment about Paul not having much to do with "That Day is Done". It's like trying to say who was more important Burt Bacharach or Hal David. The lyrics or the music. Same analogy can be made about Elton John and Bernie Taupin. What is more important...the lyrics or the music. At the end of the day with popular music, they are equal in my opinion. Just as this article says (and points that Elvis Costello has publicly stated) Paul had a lot to do with the melody of the song...the song's structure, the chorus, the song's title being sung in triplicate etc. Yes, the lyrics and basic story were Elvis's so he was at least 50% but the song didn't become the gospel oriented song without Paul doing significant things to the music. I have read Elvis statements in the past that have confirmed what the article said. I think if Paul had little to do with the song except adding/changing a word or two in the lyrics, Elvis would have taken it for his own Album...Spike.
I said Paul didn't have "as much to do" with That Day Is Done. Not that he "did not have much to do with it." Subtle difference, I know.
_____________________________________________________ I see what you are saying. The "as" addition is a subtle but significant difference. I never thought about comparing That Day is Done with Let It Be but it was Elvis Costello who said it. Now that I think about it, there are comparisons. Both have that Gospel feel. At that time, Paul did have a very good voice for it which Elvis mentions. Just wished he would have done "That Day is Done" live. He could have done it during the Off the Ground tour (1993 tour I think) or he could have done it on the 2002 tour when Paul wasn't promoting any specific album. That's where I really get frustrated with Paul not giving his Solo career the full justice it deserves. Unfortunately I don't think he could sing it today.
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In 2002, he was promoting "Driving Rain," actually. The Driving USA tour, it was called. I don't expect we'll ever see an Archive version of that one.
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favoritething:
In 2002, he was promoting "Driving Rain," actually. The Drving USA tour, it was called. I don't expect we'll ever see an Archive version of that one.
______________________________________________ Your right favorite thing now that I think about 2002. Is that the tour where he opened up with Hello Goodbye. In retrospect, that was the tour where Paul should have brought out at least 3-4 great Solo songs (from Tug of War and Flaming Pie) that he never had performed live before. I understand him doing so many Beatle songs on the Off the Ground and Flowers tours since he hadn't ever done those songs on a tour before also. And "That Day is Done" would have been another great song to do. I was at all those shows in Philadelphia (and also one in Atlantic City). In 2002 his voice was still very good.
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Yes, that was the one. That was probably the last tour where his voice was strong enough for almost anything he would kid want to do. Saw him in Philly and NYC that year. We lucked into seats in one of those sky box suites in Madison Square Garden where you can order drinks and have a private bathroom. Horrible sound, though. Sounded much better in Philly. He could probably still do a decent job with "That Day Is Done."
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favoritething:
Yes, that was the one. That was probably the last tour where his voice was strong enough for almost anything he would kid want to do. Saw him in Philly and NYC that year. We lucked into seats in one of those sky box suites in Madison Square Garden where you can order drinks and have a private bathroom. Horrible sound, though. Sounded much better in Philly. He could probably still do a decent job with "That Day Is Done."
_________________________________________________ We might have been at the same show. Can't remember whether Philly had one or two shows. If only one, then we were definitely at the same show. It was at the Wells Fargo Center...at time it was probably called Wachovia Center. Anyway, I was with a bunch of friends and everyone thought it was a great concert and felt his voice sounded great. Yes that was the one where I had hoped he would do a couple from Tug of War (e.g. Wanderlust, Take It Away) or Flaming Pie (e.g. Beautiful Night, Little Willow). Maybe it was too soon for him to do songs from Flaming Pie since Linda's passing was still pretty fresh. But That Day is Done would have been very nice. I never thought he did his great solo songs justice.
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Nancy R:
B J Conlee:
thenightfish:
I like Ou Est. The video is very cute, that's probably one reason. I think it was originally released as a 12" single and had a couple of dance mixes too. I also remember it being one of the last songs played on the PA at Paul's 1990 shows, just before the movie started. Probably another reason I like it.
_________________________________________________________ thenightfish, Always great to get other opinions on Paul songs especially the more obscure ones. I was at the 1990 show in Philadelphia. Don't remember hearing "Ou Est Le Soleil" before the show. Because it was so long ago, I get confused. I remember one tour where they had a movie (basically an environmental movie) before the show. Was that the tour promoting Off the Ground. Then there was the tour where Paul had a "pre-show" with "live performers" coming out doing different things. It was kind of weird but pretty neat and totally different. Was that the tour promoting Flowers in the Dirt.
The live performers was 2002. Was the environmental movie The 1993 tour? In 1990 there was a movie with Paul's history, wasn't there? Lots of Beatles stuff? Or am I "misremembering?"
No you are right. The 89/90 movie was about Paul. I believe that is the one that ended with the big letters N O W on screen. The 1993 movie was the one with the animal rights message. And the Cirque performers were for the Driving Rain tour. The 2005 tour had Freelance Hellraiser dj'ing and then a short movie.
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thenightfish:
Nancy R:
B J Conlee:
thenightfish:
I like Ou Est. The video is very cute, that's probably one reason. I think it was originally released as a 12" single and had a couple of dance mixes too. I also remember it being one of the last songs played on the PA at Paul's 1990 shows, just before the movie started. Probably another reason I like it.
_________________________________________________________ thenightfish, Always great to get other opinions on Paul songs especially the more obscure ones. I was at the 1990 show in Philadelphia. Don't remember hearing "Ou Est Le Soleil" before the show. Because it was so long ago, I get confused. I remember one tour where they had a movie (basically an environmental movie) before the show. Was that the tour promoting Off the Ground. Then there was the tour where Paul had a "pre-show" with "live performers" coming out doing different things. It was kind of weird but pretty neat and totally different. Was that the tour promoting Flowers in the Dirt.
The live performers was 2002. Was the environmental movie The 1993 tour? In 1990 there was a movie with Paul's history, wasn't there? Lots of Beatles stuff? Or am I "misremembering?"
No you are right. The 89/90 movie was about Paul. I believe that is the one that ended with the big letters N O W on screen. The 1993 movie was the one with the animal rights message. And the Cirque performers were for the Driving Rain tour. The 2005 tour had Freelance Hellraiser dj'ing and then a short movie.
Thanks! I remember the NOW at the end in 1990. And yes, animal rights, not environmental in 1993. In 2002 you saw the Hofner silhouette and then he came out and did Hello Goodbye. That was a great show!! Unfortunately I missed the 2005 tour (2 kids in college to pay for at the time!)
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favoritething:
Yes, that was the one. That was probably the last tour where his voice was strong enough for almost anything he would kid want to do. Saw him in Philly and NYC that year. We lucked into seats in one of those sky box suites in Madison Square Garden where you can order drinks and have a private bathroom. Horrible sound, though. Sounded much better in Philly. He could probably still do a decent job with "That Day Is Done."
__________________________________________________________ But just think what he could have done with "That Day is Done" or "The Lovers That Never Were" if he would have sung them on the 2002 tour. Paul had that tremendous "Blue Collar" ethic so he always pushed himself for giving the fans great value for what they paid. He was on the stage for at least 2 and a half hours every show. I just wished he had pushed himself more on doing songs that he hadn't done before and more of those great solo songs. Certain songs he could do in his sleep (e.g. Lady Madonna, Let Me Roll It To You) and he continued to do those songs on every tour. For a real hard core fan like me, I wanted to hear songs that he didn't always do. And it's not that the songs I wanted to hear are 2nd tier. The 2 songs I mentioned above that he never did are great songs in my opinion and it would show his range as both a song writer and singer. Getting back to FITD. Have you seen anything relative to how FITD is doing on the charts?
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B J Conlee:
Getting back to FITD. Have you seen anything relative to how FITD is doing on the charts?
In the UK, FITD was a new entry at #41 The following week though it had fallen out of the top 100.
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Kestrel:
B J Conlee:
Getting back to FITD. Have you seen anything relative to how FITD is doing on the charts?
In the UK, FITD was a new entry at #41 The following week though it had fallen out of the top 100.
In the US, the reissue hit #33 and then fell out of the Top 200 the next week. The party party's over.
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favoritething:
Kestrel:
B J Conlee:
Getting back to FITD. Have you seen anything relative to how FITD is doing on the charts?
In the UK, FITD was a new entry at #41 The following week though it had fallen out of the top 100.
In the US, the reissue hit #33 and then fell out of the Top 200 the next week. The party party's over.
________________________________________________________ I would think that this is very disappointing not only to Paul but to Capitol. Might be the end of the Archive Series as we know it. I think this one was especially botched up by the Marketing people. FITD had a lot going for it but they did so much wrong. The whole "download only" thinking was so stupid. judging by many fan comments on Amazon. His base was furious. On top of the "download" fiasco, the packages just seemed misguided. You had the skimpy 2 Disc set at the bottom end and then you had the ridiculously expensive super deluxe sets. And even the Super Deluxe Set didn't have an actual physical disc of the songs that fans cared most about (B-sides, live tracks etc.). Many people aren't going to pay those kinds of prices even if they they were all right with the Download only Disc. If I was sitting at one of their pre-FITD Rerelease meetings, my biggest question would have been...Where is something priced in-between that the average Macca fan can purchased. Why not a 3 CD set priced at about $30 -$35. It would contain: Disc 1 - remaster FITD CD Disc 2 - original Paul/Elvis Demos (just like they offered on the 2 CD Special Edition Disc 3 - B-Sides/extra songs/live versions (something like the following) 1. Back on my Feet 2. Once Upon Long Ago (A-side of Back on my Feet I believe) 3. Flying to My Home 4. Loveliest Thing (offer as a bonus track on the 1993 FITD edition) 5. Good Sign 6. Figure of Eight (the longer "single" version) 7. My Brave Face (live version from the tour) 8. Rough Ride (live version from the tour) 9. We Got Married (live version from the tour) 10. Put it There (live version from the tour with the additional ending) 11. Figure of Eight (live version from the tour) I'm sure I'm missing a couple of more tracks they could have added to Disc 3. Wasn't there a live version of Distractions from the unplugged concert. Anyway you get my point. I would think there are many hard core Macca fans who would have paid around $30 if they were getting these extra tracks they really wanted. Again, for the hard core Macca who wants the music more than the books, DVD's etc. The super Deluxe is fine for the completists but the sales are going to come from the lower cost packages and they didn't have a lower cost option that really had all the songs they wanted (like on the 3rd Disc above) FITD had a nice story with the whole Paul /Elvis Demo collection but the real fans (especially the older fans who grew up on Paul) would have easily paid an extra $10 or $15 for a 3rd CD package that had all the great B-sides and the live cuts. Just extremely bad judgement in my opinion. Why don't they ever just ask the hard core fans right on Paul's own site.
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You're preaching to the choir my man! It's just like in the O.R. They never ask the nurses or scrub techs what we think. The big companies just make changes as they see fit to benefit themselves financially! Who cares if it's not practical or takes up more space? "I can say no more." :
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B J Conlee:
favoritething:
Kestrel:
B J Conlee:
Getting back to FITD. Have you seen anything relative to how FITD is doing on the charts?
In the UK, FITD was a new entry at #41 The following week though it had fallen out of the top 100.
In the US, the reissue hit #33 and then fell out of the Top 200 the next week. The party party's over.
________________________________________________________ If I was sitting at one of their pre-FITD Rerelease meetings, my biggest question would have been...Where is something priced in-between that the average Macca fan can purchased. Why not a 3 CD set priced at about $30 -$35. It would contain: Disc 1 - remaster FITD CD Disc 2 - original Paul/Elvis Demos (just like they offered on the 2 CD Special Edition Disc 3 - B-Sides/extra songs/live versions (something like the following) 1. Back on my Feet 2. Once Upon Long Ago (A-side of Back on my Feet I believe) 3. Flying to My Home 4. Loveliest Thing (offer as a bonus track on the 1993 FITD edition) 5. Good Sign 6. Figure of Eight (the longer "single" version) 7. My Brave Face (live version from the tour) 8. Rough Ride (live version from the tour) 9. We Got Married (live version from the tour) 10. Put it There (live version from the tour with the additional ending) 11. Figure of Eight (live version from the tour)
Well, I think a better value would be: Disc 1: remastered FITD Disc 2: Paul/Elvis demos [acoustic demos + band demos; they would all fit] + the Geoff Emerick mix of "The Lovers That Never Were" demo + the three Paul/Elvis "cassette demos": I Don't Want To Confess Shallow Grave Mistress and Maid Disc 3: I wouldn't bother with live tracks; they're on "Tripping The Live Fantastic", but you could certainly have something like: 1. Back on my Feet 2. Once Upon Long Ago (A-side of Back on my Feet) 3. Flying to My Home 4. Loveliest Thing 5. Good Sign 6. Figure of Eight (the "single" version) 7. Rough Ride (alternate version) 8. This One {demo) 9. Distractions (demo) 10. The First Stone 11. Party Party 12. Christian Bop 13. Love Mix 14. Same Love 15. Return To Pepperland 16. Lindiana 17. Love Come Tumbling Down (quite a few more to choose from too, like: Don't Break The Promise, I Love This House, Squid, Atlantic Ocean, etc. etc.)
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I hope the relatively poor sales of FITD don't put them off releasing any more on the archive series. Realistically, a reissue of an album is rarely going to set the charts alight (unless its something major for an anniversary with a lot of promo, like the upcoming Sgt Peppers ), but I think its important to release them nonetheless - it keeps Paul's name out there and his music deserves to be presented nicely, as it is in these sets. Also, from the point of view of someone with minor OCD, what a shame it would be to stall here and not have the whole set! I think it would be a travesty to give up on it.
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favoritething:
B J Conlee:
favoritething:
Kestrel:
B J Conlee:
Getting back to FITD. Have you seen anything relative to how FITD is doing on the charts?
In the UK, FITD was a new entry at #41 The following week though it had fallen out of the top 100.
In the US, the reissue hit #33 and then fell out of the Top 200 the next week. The party party's over.
________________________________________________________ If I was sitting at one of their pre-FITD Rerelease meetings, my biggest question would have been...Where is something priced in-between that the average Macca fan can purchased. Why not a 3 CD set priced at about $30 -$35. It would contain: Disc 1 - remaster FITD CD Disc 2 - original Paul/Elvis Demos (just like they offered on the 2 CD Special Edition Disc 3 - B-Sides/extra songs/live versions (something like the following) 1. Back on my Feet 2. Once Upon Long Ago (A-side of Back on my Feet I believe) 3. Flying to My Home 4. Loveliest Thing (offer as a bonus track on the 1993 FITD edition) 5. Good Sign 6. Figure of Eight (the longer "single" version) 7. My Brave Face (live version from the tour) 8. Rough Ride (live version from the tour) 9. We Got Married (live version from the tour) 10. Put it There (live version from the tour with the additional ending) 11. Figure of Eight (live version from the tour)
Well, I think a better value would be: Disc 1: remastered FITD Disc 2: Paul/Elvis demos [acoustic demos + band demos; they would all fit] + the Geoff Emerick mix of "The Lovers That Never Were" demo + the three Paul/Elvis "cassette demos": I Don't Want To Confess Shallow Grave Mistress and Maid Disc 3: I wouldn't bother with live tracks; they're on "Tripping The Live Fantastic", but you could certainly have something like: 1. Back on my Feet 2. Once Upon Long Ago (A-side of Back on my Feet) 3. Flying to My Home 4. Loveliest Thing 5. Good Sign 6. Figure of Eight (the "single" version) 7. Rough Ride (alternate version) 8. This One {demo) 9. Distractions (demo) 10. The First Stone 11. Party Party 12. Christian Bop 13. Love Mix 14. Same Love 15. Return To Pepperland 16. Lindiana 17. Love Come Tumbling Down (quite a few more to choose from too, like: Don't Break The Promise, I Love This House, Squid, Atlantic Ocean, etc. etc.)
____________________________________________________ Favoritething, Like your ideas too. Some of your choices in the latter part of Disc 3 might be more relegated to a separate Cold Cuts, Unreleased type package later on (e.g. Same Love, Lindiana, Return to Pepperland). But the demo's of Paul only songs from FITD for sure. I realize that the live FITD cuts were on Tripping the Live Fantastic but how many people still have that CD...your talking 25 years ago or maybe take alternate live versions from the FITD tour if they exist. I think there are many fans who would want some "live" versions of FITD songs wherever they get them. As someone who was in sales/marketing all his life, you have to keep costs into the equation. I think they needed to be in the $30-$40 range. Why didn't they go to someone like Walmart, Best Buy or Target (or even Amazon) and offer them a combination of different 3 Disc audio only exclusives (a package of some kind of combination of what we're talking about above) . Paul's team/Capitol didn't seem to use a lot of imagination or realism in devising these sets as we have stated. ____________________________________________ PS How many fans in the US bought the Once Upon Long Ago/Back on my Feet Single from years ago. I would have loved to have both songs on an FITD package.
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"Same Love" is not technically a "cold cut," as it was released on one of the "Flaming Pie" singles, along with Love Mix, Love Come Tumbling Down, Don't Break The Promise, I Love This House, Squid, and Atlantic Ocean. All of these were recorded around the time of the other FITD sessions, including a few from the Phil Ramone sessions that also produced "Back On My Feet" and "Once Upon A Long Ago." There's also an early version of "Beautiful Night." (Oops, I shouldn't have included "Christian Bop" in my Disc 3, since that was released on the "Pipes of Peace" archive set.) I don't know, there may be some people who prefer live tracks to rare or unreleased studio tracks, but I don't think they're in the majority, to be honest. Maybe that's just me. And yes, I did buy that "Once Upon A Long Ago" CD single when it came out. It was the first CD single I ever bought.