THE NEXT DELUXE/REMASTERED ALBUM FROM PAUL
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Frank wrote:
Weird things happen...can anybody explain please ?
Wild life renters at 199, RRS at 149 on Billboard. Ok didn’t expect any better in the X- mas market.
BUT WHY ON EARTH IS MCCARTNEY 2 - yeah the 1980 album not the 1970 - REENTERING AT 182 ??????
Have I missed out on something ? A new club mix of Coming up ? A movie featuring Bogey Music ? A new TV Ad featuring Temporary Secretary ?
Charts include downloads and streaming now. Maybe amazon had a special on MCII. That alone can push an album back into the charts. Who knows?
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SexySadie wrote:
I wonder why they didn't include "Henry's Blues" and "Say You Don't Mind" in the "Wings Over Europe" disc?
What is the playing time of the WOE disc? Were they excluded because of time / space constraints?
Does the RRS book give any recording details for the main album as far as dates go? I've always wondered why 'the medley' wasn't included on the December 1972 acetates. Was it because they were recorded in early 1973?
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Kestrel wrote:
SexySadie wrote:
I wonder why they didn't include "Henry's Blues" and "Say You Don't Mind" in the "Wings Over Europe" disc?
What is the playing time of the WOE disc? Were they excluded because of time / space constraints?
Does the RRS book give any recording details for the main album as far as dates go? I've always wondered why 'the medley' wasn't included on the December 1972 acetates. Was it because they were recorded in early 1973?
The WOE disc runs 49:03 (12 songs) The Remastered album runs 42:26. The songs were recorded as early as Oct. 1970 (Get On The Right Thing) and as late as Jan. 1973 (My Love) Most were recorded in 1972. The medley recording dates: Hold Me Tight Sept. 15, 1972, Lazy Dynamite Sept. 16, 1972, Hands Of Love Oct. 1, 1972, Power Cut Oct. 3, 1972.
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Nancy R wrote:
The WOE disc runs 49:03 (12 songs) The Remastered album runs 42:26. The songs were recorded as early as Oct. 1970 (Get On The Right Thing) and as late as Jan. 1973 (My Love) Most were recorded in 1972. The medley recording dates: Hold Me Tight Sept. 15, 1972, Lazy Dynamite Sept. 16, 1972, Hands Of Love Oct. 1, 1972, Power Cut Oct. 3, 1972.
Many thanks for the info, Nancy.
Well clearly Henrys Blue & Say You Don't Mind weren't excluded because there wasn't enough time on the disc.
Those medley dates are interesting.Even though the songs were recorded seperately, they were recorded in order so Paul must have had the arrangement in place from the start. The dates prove that the songs could have been part of those reference acetates but for some reason weren't considered for inclusion. Fascinating stuff. Interesting to see that My Love was recorded so very late in the sessions,especially since it was being performed live during the previous summer.
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Nancy R wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
SexySadie wrote:
I wonder why they didn't include "Henry's Blues" and "Say You Don't Mind" in the "Wings Over Europe" disc?
What is the playing time of the WOE disc? Were they excluded because of time / space constraints?
Does the RRS book give any recording details for the main album as far as dates go? I've always wondered why 'the medley' wasn't included on the December 1972 acetates. Was it because they were recorded in early 1973?
The WOE disc runs 49:03 (12 songs) The Remastered album runs 42:26. The songs were recorded as early as Oct. 1970 (Get On The Right Thing) and as late as Jan. 1973 (My Love) Most were recorded in 1972. The medley recording dates: Hold Me Tight Sept. 15, 1972, Lazy Dynamite Sept. 16, 1972, Hands Of Love Oct. 1, 1972, Power Cut Oct. 3, 1972.
WOE disc actually has 20 songs.
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DrivinFan wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
SexySadie wrote:
I wonder why they didn't include "Henry's Blues" and "Say You Don't Mind" in the "Wings Over Europe" disc?
What is the playing time of the WOE disc? Were they excluded because of time / space constraints?
Does the RRS book give any recording details for the main album as far as dates go? I've always wondered why 'the medley' wasn't included on the December 1972 acetates. Was it because they were recorded in early 1973?
The WOE disc runs 49:03 (12 songs) The Remastered album runs 42:26. The songs were recorded as early as Oct. 1970 (Get On The Right Thing) and as late as Jan. 1973 (My Love) Most were recorded in 1972. The medley recording dates: Hold Me Tight Sept. 15, 1972, Lazy Dynamite Sept. 16, 1972, Hands Of Love Oct. 1, 1972, Power Cut Oct. 3, 1972.
WOE disc actually has 20 songs.
Mine only has 12. What are the other 8?!
ETA: When I put the disc in earlier today there were only 12 songs listed. This is weird - the book lists 20 songs for a total of 01:18:45! When I watched it, all 20 songs were played, though. I remember Long Tall Sally being the last song. Will re-check this tomorrow.
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Kestrel wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
The WOE disc runs 49:03 (12 songs) The Remastered album runs 42:26. The songs were recorded as early as Oct. 1970 (Get On The Right Thing) and as late as Jan. 1973 (My Love) Most were recorded in 1972. The medley recording dates: Hold Me Tight Sept. 15, 1972, Lazy Dynamite Sept. 16, 1972, Hands Of Love Oct. 1, 1972, Power Cut Oct. 3, 1972.
Many thanks for the info, Nancy.
Well clearly Henrys Blue & Say You Don't Mind weren't excluded because there wasn't enough time on the disc.
Those medley dates are interesting.Even though the songs were recorded seperately, they were recorded in order so Paul must have had the arrangement in place from the start. The dates prove that the songs could have been part of those reference acetates but for some reason weren't considered for inclusion. Fascinating stuff. Interesting to see that My Love was recorded so very late in the sessions,especially since it was being performed live during the previous summer.
See my other post for time and song # corrections.
It was a VERY good thing My Love was recorded as late as it was! The version they performed in concert in 1972 sucked imo. It had Linda singing “my love” right after Paul instead of the “ooh ooh ooh ooh” and it sounded horrible! Plus the guitar solo was lousy. Henry nailed in first take during the recording in 1973!
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Nancy R wrote:
It was a VERY good thing My Love was recorded as late as it was! The version they performed in concert in 1972 sucked imo. It had Linda singing “my love” right after Paul instead of the “ooh ooh ooh ooh” and it sounded horrible! Plus the guitar solo was lousy. Henry nailed in first take during the recording in 1973!
Ah, now I actually prefer the arrangement of the live version with Linda providing the 'My love' echo but I totally agree that the original solo was nothing special and that Henry eventually came up with a better one.
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Nancy R wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
The WOE disc runs 49:03 (12 songs) The Remastered album runs 42:26. The songs were recorded as early as Oct. 1970 (Get On The Right Thing) and as late as Jan. 1973 (My Love) Most were recorded in 1972. The medley recording dates: Hold Me Tight Sept. 15, 1972, Lazy Dynamite Sept. 16, 1972, Hands Of Love Oct. 1, 1972, Power Cut Oct. 3, 1972.
Many thanks for the info, Nancy.
Well clearly Henrys Blue & Say You Don't Mind weren't excluded because there wasn't enough time on the disc.
Those medley dates are interesting.Even though the songs were recorded seperately, they were recorded in order so Paul must have had the arrangement in place from the start. The dates prove that the songs could have been part of those reference acetates but for some reason weren't considered for inclusion. Fascinating stuff. Interesting to see that My Love was recorded so very late in the sessions,especially since it was being performed live during the previous summer.
See my other post for time and song # corrections.
It was a VERY good thing My Love was recorded as late as it was! The version they performed in concert in 1972 sucked imo. It had Linda singing “my love” right after Paul instead of the “ooh ooh ooh ooh” and it sounded horrible! Plus the guitar solo was lousy. Henry nailed in first take during the recording in 1973!
I wouldn't say that version sucked. I think it was sweet & shows their love for eachother.
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oobu24 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
The WOE disc runs 49:03 (12 songs) The Remastered album runs 42:26. The songs were recorded as early as Oct. 1970 (Get On The Right Thing) and as late as Jan. 1973 (My Love) Most were recorded in 1972. The medley recording dates: Hold Me Tight Sept. 15, 1972, Lazy Dynamite Sept. 16, 1972, Hands Of Love Oct. 1, 1972, Power Cut Oct. 3, 1972.
Many thanks for the info, Nancy.
Well clearly Henrys Blue & Say You Don't Mind weren't excluded because there wasn't enough time on the disc.
Those medley dates are interesting.Even though the songs were recorded seperately, they were recorded in order so Paul must have had the arrangement in place from the start. The dates prove that the songs could have been part of those reference acetates but for some reason weren't considered for inclusion. Fascinating stuff. Interesting to see that My Love was recorded so very late in the sessions,especially since it was being performed live during the previous summer.
See my other post for time and song # corrections.
It was a VERY good thing My Love was recorded as late as it was! The version they performed in concert in 1972 sucked imo. It had Linda singing “my love” right after Paul instead of the “ooh ooh ooh ooh” and it sounded horrible! Plus the guitar solo was lousy. Henry nailed in first take during the recording in 1973!
I wouldn't say that version sucked. I think it was sweet & shows their love for eachother.
Yes, but I just thought she sounded out of tune and was glad they dropped it.
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Nancy R wrote:
DrivinFan wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
SexySadie wrote:
I wonder why they didn't include "Henry's Blues" and "Say You Don't Mind" in the "Wings Over Europe" disc?
What is the playing time of the WOE disc? Were they excluded because of time / space constraints?
Does the RRS book give any recording details for the main album as far as dates go? I've always wondered why 'the medley' wasn't included on the December 1972 acetates. Was it because they were recorded in early 1973?
The WOE disc runs 49:03 (12 songs) The Remastered album runs 42:26. The songs were recorded as early as Oct. 1970 (Get On The Right Thing) and as late as Jan. 1973 (My Love) Most were recorded in 1972. The medley recording dates: Hold Me Tight Sept. 15, 1972, Lazy Dynamite Sept. 16, 1972, Hands Of Love Oct. 1, 1972, Power Cut Oct. 3, 1972.
WOE disc actually has 20 songs.
Mine only has 12. What are the other 8?!
ETA: When I put the disc in earlier today there were only 12 songs listed. This is weird - the book lists 20 songs for a total of 01:18:45! When I watched it, all 20 songs were played, though. I remember Long Tall Sally being the last song. Will re-check this tomorrow.
I just put the disc in and scrolled down. At first it wouldn’t scroll past song #12, then I kept clicking the down button and it went down to show songs 13-20. Strange! Lol!
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Nancy R wrote:
oobu24 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
The WOE disc runs 49:03 (12 songs) The Remastered album runs 42:26. The songs were recorded as early as Oct. 1970 (Get On The Right Thing) and as late as Jan. 1973 (My Love) Most were recorded in 1972. The medley recording dates: Hold Me Tight Sept. 15, 1972, Lazy Dynamite Sept. 16, 1972, Hands Of Love Oct. 1, 1972, Power Cut Oct. 3, 1972.
Many thanks for the info, Nancy.
Well clearly Henrys Blue & Say You Don't Mind weren't excluded because there wasn't enough time on the disc.
Those medley dates are interesting.Even though the songs were recorded seperately, they were recorded in order so Paul must have had the arrangement in place from the start. The dates prove that the songs could have been part of those reference acetates but for some reason weren't considered for inclusion. Fascinating stuff. Interesting to see that My Love was recorded so very late in the sessions,especially since it was being performed live during the previous summer.
See my other post for time and song # corrections.
It was a VERY good thing My Love was recorded as late as it was! The version they performed in concert in 1972 sucked imo. It had Linda singing “my love” right after Paul instead of the “ooh ooh ooh ooh” and it sounded horrible! Plus the guitar solo was lousy. Henry nailed in first take during the recording in 1973!
I wouldn't say that version sucked. I think it was sweet & shows their love for eachother.
Yes, but I just thought she sounded out of tune and was glad they dropped it.
I'm probably used to it because I've listened to all the early bootlegs & she's sung it with him.
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oobu24 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
oobu24 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
Kestrel wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
The WOE disc runs 49:03 (12 songs) The Remastered album runs 42:26. The songs were recorded as early as Oct. 1970 (Get On The Right Thing) and as late as Jan. 1973 (My Love) Most were recorded in 1972. The medley recording dates: Hold Me Tight Sept. 15, 1972, Lazy Dynamite Sept. 16, 1972, Hands Of Love Oct. 1, 1972, Power Cut Oct. 3, 1972.
Many thanks for the info, Nancy.
Well clearly Henrys Blue & Say You Don't Mind weren't excluded because there wasn't enough time on the disc.
Those medley dates are interesting.Even though the songs were recorded seperately, they were recorded in order so Paul must have had the arrangement in place from the start. The dates prove that the songs could have been part of those reference acetates but for some reason weren't considered for inclusion. Fascinating stuff. Interesting to see that My Love was recorded so very late in the sessions,especially since it was being performed live during the previous summer.
See my other post for time and song # corrections.
It was a VERY good thing My Love was recorded as late as it was! The version they performed in concert in 1972 sucked imo. It had Linda singing “my love” right after Paul instead of the “ooh ooh ooh ooh” and it sounded horrible! Plus the guitar solo was lousy. Henry nailed in first take during the recording in 1973!
I wouldn't say that version sucked. I think it was sweet & shows their love for eachother.
Yes, but I just thought she sounded out of tune and was glad they dropped it.
I'm probably used to it because I've listened to all the early bootlegs & she's sung it with him.
Yeah, I never heard it before, so it was “jarring” to me!
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I think it's interesting & I love to hear them working the song out. Here's another take from a boot from 1972.
My Love
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oobu24 wrote:
I think it's interesting & I love to hear them working the song out. Here's another take from a boot from 1972.
My Love
That I liked better than the version on WOE!
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Nancy R wrote:
oobu24 wrote:
I think it's interesting & I love to hear them working the song out. Here's another take from a boot from 1972.
My Love
That I liked better than the version on WOE!
Maybe they brought up her vocals too much on WOE.
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oobu24 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
oobu24 wrote:
I think it's interesting & I love to hear them working the song out. Here's another take from a boot from 1972.
My Love
That I liked better than the version on WOE!
Maybe they brought up her vocals too much on WOE.
Could be, in the one you posted she sounded in tune and more subdued.
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Nancy R wrote:
oobu24 wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
oobu24 wrote:
I think it's interesting & I love to hear them working the song out. Here's another take from a boot from 1972.
My Love
That I liked better than the version on WOE!
Maybe they brought up her vocals too much on WOE.
Could be, in the one you posted she sounded in tune and more subdued.
I wonder why they chose the one they did. It was from the concert in The Hague, Netherlands on Aug 21, 1972. The one I posted was Antwerp 1972.
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For the past couple of weeks I have been obsessed with the RRS Remaster. For the American fans who want a far more affordable RRS package, I would highly recommend the 2 CD RRS Remaster from Target for under $20. What a steal!!
First of all, I've been enjoying relistening to the original album. The sound is terrific and hearing many of these great songs brings back many happy memories. But for the real fans, the true gem of the package is Disc 2. It contains a whopping 18 tracks most of which are B-sides and official unreleased songs. This is, in my opinion, easily the best companion disc in the "Archive" mini, more affordabe packages. All 18 tracks are complete songs and not snippets like you got in some of the previous 2nd discs. It's Disc 2 that I have been listening to the most.
As a big time fan of Paul's music, my biggest problem with the original RRS album in 1973 was the final 15-16 minutes with the last 2 tracks (Loup and Medley). As most here know, RRS was originally set to be (in Paul's mind) a Double Album but the Label EMI voted against the idea due to poor sales of Wildlife.
As I first listened to RRS way back when (like 45 years ago when I was obviously much younger) I really liked the first 7 tracks (up to "When the Night") but then the album's enjoyment came to a screaching halt with the experimental "Loop" and the final 11 plus minutes of the "Medley". Upon listening to this special 2nd disc in the new remaster, the same thing kept entering my mind...How could Paul omit an number of great songs compared to the last 2 tracks (15-16 minutes by the way). So many of these songs are so much better than the "Loop" and "Medley" in my opinion.
What was seriously lacking in the original Album was a few "rock" tracks to far better balance the overall album. As usual with Paul is that it's never a lack of material, but with Paul making better choices. Another mistake I believe that Paul made was trying to emulate the "loose" medley on Side 2 of Abbey Road where Paul rightfully receives a lot of praise. The problem is that the RRS Medley is not in the same universe as the Abbey Road medley relative to the songs. There you have a masterful variety of Paul and John songs filled with ballads, mid tempo and rock. While the RRS grouping was more of a true medley, all the songs were similar with a slow tempo and ballad types. To make matters worse, the lyrics were lame and very repetitive especially with the first 2 tracks (Hold Me Tight and Lazy Dynamite). I clearly remember trying to like the overall track but when Paul repeated "Hold Me Tight" so many times, I was ready to scream. Upon listening to the "Medley" today, I do admit to liking it better. I guess that because I'm much older I don't mind the individual songs (especially "Hands of Love" and "Power Cut") and I'm appreciating better the instrumentation and vocals. But keeping in mind that we were in the early 70's and the"Rock" genre was still king, I believe that Paul's final track choices for RRS was a huge mistake relative to his reputation at the time. Instead of RRS ending with a few great "Rock" tracks (e.g. The Mess, Best Friend, Hi Hi Hi and even Live and Let Die), RRS ended with a "wimp". Many of the critics of the day who were biased against Paul anyway (they preferred John) had a field day after Wildlife and now RRS. In reality, Paul could of had a much better balanced RRS with superior songs in general. With better track selection, I believe RRS would be considered at the same level of BOTR and Ram. Conversely, you never hear RRS brought up when music fans in general mention Paul's best Post Beatles' albums. That should not have been the case when you listen to Disc 2 in this latest Remaster package.
My track by track analysis of both discs will follow.
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