2017 Setlist Speculation Thread
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Clem865:
I would like to hear: I Want To Hold Your Hand (as the opening song) Helen Wheels (Instead of Hi Hi Hi) The Back Seat Of My Car (Instead of Here There and Everywhere and HT&E instead of Maybe I'm Amazed) When I'm 64 (Instead of Back In The USSR) Good Morning Good Morning (Instead of Mr Kite) Rocky Raccoon (Instead of We Can Work It Out)
____________________________________________________ Clem, While my personal preference would be Solo Songs but at least your songs above would show significant changes to the Setlist.
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Macca84:
yankeefan7:
"Mr. McCartney said in 1989 that he wanted new album (FITD) out before touring again because he wanted to show he was still a relevant artist and not some oldies act in concert. I understand that was many years ago but that was his thinking back then. He was still quite capable in 2002 to really shake things up again because he had not toured in almost a decade but it was still basically a Beatles show.
Understood, but if relevance is measured by #1 albums or hit singles, then I don't know what he can do at this point. Playing new stuff in concert isn't moving the needle. Hundreds of thousands of people attended his US concerts in 14 and 15 and it's not like "New" got any bump in sales.
If Paul really wants people to actually hear his new music, at this point, he should do what many other artists have being doing lately. Many artists now bundle a copy of their new album, for 'free', with every concert ticket. Either via a digital download, or in some cases you can choose to receive a physical cd. And it creates some (artificial) album sales he can boast about. He sells 500,000 tickets, so technically he 'sold' 500,000 albums too.
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Nancy R:
OMG, now you guys have got me all depressed! I don't disagree with you, but I'm rethinking tomorrow's presale. Maybe I won't get the Hot Sound package. Maybe just the GOLD VIP. I don't know. I know his voice sucks, especially on MIA, but I think I just want to see him one more time, and since he is practically playing down the street from me (and the parking is free!) I want to be there. I have the money, so what the hell? You only live once, right?
I'm having the same dilemma. I so wish he'd add more solo songs. He has so many to choose from! Maybe that's the problem...he can't make up his mind. :
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If you're disappointed with the Setlist due to the fact there isn't enough post-Beatles songs. Then see this instead. The band does a snippet of Rockshow, amongst other stuff from his solo career! It's the tribute show we've wanted. I'm seeing them in Dundee & I can't wait to see them. Here's their setlist if you want to check it out: -
One thing I've always admired about Paul was his "blue collar" work ethic. He has always given his all on his tours. Only Springsteen would match the length of his shows. In 1989 and subsequent tours up to 2005 I would say, Paul was arguably the greatest music performer on the planet. The great Beatle songs where he was the primary writer/singer were still fresh. But there comes a time where he needed to make some subtle, real transitions to his setlist and frankly for his overall legacy. Unfortunately, he never made that transition. It takes work, preparation and rehearsing if you are going to bring out songs that you've never done before live. Even the Stones were emphatic about their rehearsing before their big tours. They would rehearse for at least a month prior to their tour opening shows. That's what I meant when I said that Paul has just gone through the motions over the last 10-12 years. Why he never applied that same work ethic to make sure that his shows really demonstrated his entire 50 plus year career just baffles me. Unfortunately, he took the easy way out. Just keep on bringing out the same Beatles and early to mid Wings hit songs and the people will still come out. In the mid 2000's, Paul should have started adding 4-5 great songs from Tug of War, Flaming Pie and even the Back to the Egg/London Town period. Now (2017) there are dozens of great songs (my earlier abbreviatedlist) that he has never done live. Again, I emphasize not obscure songs but great songs. Paul shouldn't be concerned that those Solo/late Wings' songs might not get that immediate Beatle type of applause or instant recognition. Isn't he a real artist? I only wished he had the same work ethic regarding his Solo career. How have you never done songs on tour like...The Lovers that Never Were, That Day is Done, Young Boy, Little Willow, Take it Away etc. etc. Now we're in 2017 and it appears (judging by the Setlist) that Paul has done little to no preparation for this year's tour. He just shows up 2 days before the concert from what I see. Yes, the Beatle fans who have never seen him (or maybe only once) will come out and his ticket sales will be Ok to good. But it is an insult to the "real" fans who have been buying his Solo albums since 1980. And it does very little to his overall legacy. Such a shame in my opinion. Now that he is in his 70's I get the fact that he doesn't need to "work" like he did during the Wings Over America or even his 1989/2002 years. But why he can't bring out relatively easy, more acoustic songs like Put It There or Early Days to the Setlist really just blows my mind. Those type of songs would take little preparation and would show his great mature songwriting in his Solo period. Instead he brings out a song like "I Wanna Be Your Man" as his big addition. It's also shocking to me that one of his kids haven't talked to their Dad about how he totally ignores his great solo songs. I just scratch my head.
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or why mpl or the band members don't read or at least fwd content/messages/feelings of his fans to him. I assume that 50-60% of the audience are going several times per tour! Q: has anybody ever heard that band members read the threads ??? New set list Is a shame also adding such a 3rd class IWBYM song... This song is not even average imo. Best Steffen around 30x live 1989-2016
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there should the same number of Beatles, Wings and solo songs and he could have let Why Don't We Do It in the setlist tho
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It baffles me why Paul is still performing 'Kite' in 2017 ??!! It was a bad song in 1967 & its a bad song 50 years later. Plus, its mostly a John song.
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With the new FITD re-issue, I hope Paul will do 'Veronica'. One of the best songs he has written (co-written).
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Clem865:
there should the same number of Beatles, Wings and solo songs and he could have let Why Don't We Do It in the setlist tho
Or maybe 5-10 songs from every decade! Whatever number that would work out to be.
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mr.flamingpie:
yankeefan7:
corchians:
I wrote to Abe Laboriel on twitter to aks to suggest to Paul new songs for the setlist. I think that nobody of Macca staff reads the messages of this board, so maybe is more effective write at their twitter profiles
Good luck - lol. I am sure the band would like to mix it up more, unfortunately their boss does not want to.
absolutly that's the reason! It is confirmed by the fact of Temporary Secretary that there is absolutly no barrier (maybe except his current voice) for other wings / SOLO songs. It's simply more important for him to play songs for a crowd "coming to see BEATLE paul". I'll never understand this unbalanced setting while he creates and releases new great music A few days ago I realized that there is at least one special live performance for the two non pop album Run devil run and Kisses on the button. It's like a joke while there is lot's of better stuff written by the man himself... :
Why do you think that he doesn't want to mix up the setlist?
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Now that I've got tickets to a gig...here's what I'll call my "realistic dream"...believe me, I wish it were more... 1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 2. Getting Better 3. Got To Get You Into My Life 4. Jet 5. Drive My Car 6. Coming Up 7. Let Me Roll It 8. My Valentine 9. 1985 10. Here, There, and Everywhere 11. My Love 12. I Will 13. Every Night 14. I'm Looking Through You 15. P.S. I Love You 16. And I Love Her 17. Blackbird 18. Here Today 19. Fixing a Hole 20. Your Mother Should Know 21. Lady Madonna 22. Two of Us 23. Lovely Rita 24. Eleanor Rigby 25. Something 26. Penny Lane 27. Back in The USSR 28. Band on The Run 29. A Day In The Life 30. Give Peace a Chance 31. Let it Be 32. Live and Let Die 33. Hey Jude ENCORE 34. Yesterday 35. Hi, Hi, Hi 36. Get Back 37. Golden Slumbers 38. Carry That Weight 39. The End
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Yahllil:
mr.flamingpie:
yankeefan7:
corchians:
I wrote to Abe Laboriel on twitter to aks to suggest to Paul new songs for the setlist. I think that nobody of Macca staff reads the messages of this board, so maybe is more effective write at their twitter profiles
Good luck - lol. I am sure the band would like to mix it up more, unfortunately their boss does not want to.
absolutly that's the reason! It is confirmed by the fact of Temporary Secretary that there is absolutly no barrier (maybe except his current voice) for other wings / SOLO songs. It's simply more important for him to play songs for a crowd "coming to see BEATLE paul". I'll never understand this unbalanced setting while he creates and releases new great music A few days ago I realized that there is at least one special live performance for the two non pop album Run devil run and Kisses on the button. It's like a joke while there is lot's of better stuff written by the man himself... :
Why do you think that he doesn't want to mix up the setlist?
He prefers to repeat the core of the shows again and again (songs and messages :mrgreen because he thinks (now longer than one decade) that the majority who visite his shows comes for the first time... and want mainly beatles and no solo songs. While he tours the US every year... that's just silly. He seems forgotten the tours 1976, 1989/90 and 1993. All this tours got their own signatur. The 4+ tours since 2009 follows the scheme which was introduced with the driving rain tour 2002. Only the US Tour 2005 is an short exception.
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What happened to the man who defiantly played "Soily" as his encore?!? Paul - you're a big act. You dont have to resort to playing an oldies set - a-la The Beach Boys.
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Nancy R:
OMG, now you guys have got me all depressed! I don't disagree with you, but I'm rethinking tomorrow's presale. Maybe I won't get the Hot Sound package. Maybe just the GOLD VIP. I don't know. I know his voice sucks, especially on MIA, but I think I just want to see him one more time, and since he is practically playing down the street from me (and the parking is free!) I want to be there. I have the money, so what the hell? You only live once, right?
He is 75 so let's face this will probably be the last time for you and you said money is not an object. Plus, the venue is close so what the heck - lol. The last time I saw him was 2010 and the only reason I went then was because my daughters had never seen him and I wanted to share that experience. (had seen him in Citifield the previous year) As I have said way too many times on this board, I am a Paul McCartney the artist fan, not just Beatle Paul fan. I have just lost interest in seeing him do many of the songs I have heard a bunch of times and in a better voice. I have also heard all the old stories and I could probably tell them to an audience. I am lucky and money is not an object to me but why spend it on something that I no longer care to do. I had hoped he would shake things up more and it would entice me to go see him again but sadly that will not happen. To be perfectly honest, I look forward to new album/CD much more than hearing about another tour.
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B J Conlee:
B J Conlee:
Just saw basically the setlist for the 1st Japan show. Please Paul...is this the best you can do. Instead of hobnobbing with the Likes of Tom Hanks, the Obama's, David Geffen etc. , can't you spend some time rehearsing some real additions (not songs you've done before) for a new tour. You have always given the fans great value from a standpoint of quantity (almost 3 hours) but now you're just going through the motions instead of trying to give your true fans a different show with songs you've never done before. You surely have plenty of them. I don' care if he ended up playing in the same little Florida town where I live, I probably wouldn't go. Any songs that he adds are just retreads from previous shows. Not a surprise but not one song from the FITD years where he just promoted his latest reissue. He used to be a great performer but as I said, he just goes through the motions now being basically Beatle Paul. What a disappointment and as I also said, I love the guy and he is my favorite. Over the Memorial Day weekend, I'm going to a 5 day Beatles festival right around Louisville KY. They have many tribute bands, singer-songwriters etc. who will do all kinds of songs. Maybe one of them (I hope) will concentrated on Paul (post 1980) and I will hear the songs I would love to hear. Unfortunately, I definitely won't hear it from the master himself.
________________________________________________________ Just to give some examples of my extreme disappointment in yesterday's (1st show) Setlist: Songs from the Japan Setlist that should go away *Jet - has done it a million times, just get rid of it *Drive My Car - another Beatles' song he has done so many times *Let Me Roll It to you - what show hasn't he done this one; overdone as badly as Radio ruined Ebony and Ivory; * My Valentine - nice addition a few years ago but enough already; you've got so many others that have never been played *Maybe I'm Amazed - you play it at every show and as much as I hate to say it...you can't hit the notes anymore. I would rather hear him do something good in his range. *We Can Work It Out - Again, how many times are you going to drag it out *Queenie Eye - nice when you added it, but bring out another song you have never done *Lady Madonna - Enough already...time to give it a rest. *I Wanna Be Your Man - Are you kidding me...is this the big new addition. Third tier Beatle song at best *Mr. Kite - Ok, you've done this a couple of tours now, give us something you've never done before *Sgt. Peppers Reprise - again, you've done this before *Hi Hi Hi - Ok, nice addltion a few years ago but time to bring out another song you've never done before I understand that there are some signature songs he had to do...Let It Be, Yesterday, Hey Jude, Band on the Run, and maybe a few more but there are so many additional choices you could do. Great songs (not obscure ones) that he has never done live (or only very rarely done) Take It Away (Tug of War) Wanderlust (Tug of War) Tug of War (Tug of War) Young Boy (Flaming Pie) Little Willow (Flaming Pie) Lovers that Never Were (Off the Ground) That Day is Done (Flowers in the Dirt) Promise to You Girl (Chaos and Creation) Too Much Rain (Chaos and Creation) Friend to Go (Chaos and Creation) Ever Present Past (Memory almost Full) That Was Me (Memory Almost Full) done at only a handful of shows House of Wax (Memory Almost Full) done at only a handful of shows Early Days (New) I have often said that Paul's Post Beatles (and Post Wings) career is terribly underrated and doesn't get the respect it deserves. But how can it, when the Man himself doesn't respect such a big portion of his career.
Excellent post BJ and I agree totally !!
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JoeySmith:
What happened to the man who defiantly played "Soily" as his encore?!? Paul - you're a big act. You dont have to resort to playing an oldies set - a-la The Beach Boys.
Agree, what happened to the guy who opened with "Figure Of Eight" during his 1989 tour?
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B J Conlee:
One thing I've always admired about Paul was his "blue collar" work ethic. He has always given his all on his tours. Only Springsteen would match the length of his shows. In 1989 and subsequent tours up to 2005 I would say, Paul was arguably the greatest music performer on the planet. The great Beatle songs where he was the primary writer/singer were still fresh. But there comes a time where he needed to make some subtle, real transitions to his setlist and frankly for his overall legacy. Unfortunately, he never made that transition. It takes work, preparation and rehearsing if you are going to bring out songs that you've never done before live. Even the Stones were emphatic about their rehearsing before their big tours. They would rehearse for at least a month prior to their tour opening shows. That's what I meant when I said that Paul has just gone through the motions over the last 10-12 years. Why he never applied that same work ethic to make sure that his shows really demonstrated his entire 50 plus year career just baffles me. Unfortunately, he took the easy way out. Just keep on bringing out the same Beatles and early to mid Wings hit songs and the people will still come out. In the mid 2000's, Paul should have started adding 4-5 great songs from Tug of War, Flaming Pie and even the Back to the Egg/London Town period. Now (2017) there are dozens of great songs (my earlier abbreviatedlist) that he has never done live. Again, I emphasize not obscure songs but great songs. Paul shouldn't be concerned that those Solo/late Wings' songs might not get that immediate Beatle type of applause or instant recognition. Isn't he a real artist? I only wished he had the same work ethic regarding his Solo career. How have you never done songs on tour like...The Lovers that Never Were, That Day is Done, Young Boy, Little Willow, Take it Away etc. etc. Now we're in 2017 and it appears (judging by the Setlist) that Paul has done little to no preparation for this year's tour. He just shows up 2 days before the concert from what I see. Yes, the Beatle fans who have never seen him (or maybe only once) will come out and his ticket sales will be Ok to good. But it is an insult to the "real" fans who have been buying his Solo albums since 1980. And it does very little to his overall legacy. Such a shame in my opinion. Now that he is in his 70's I get the fact that he doesn't need to "work" like he did during the Wings Over America or even his 1989/2002 years. But why he can't bring out relatively easy, more acoustic songs like Put It There or Early Days to the Setlist really just blows my mind. Those type of songs would take little preparation and would show his great mature songwriting in his Solo period. Instead he brings out a song like "I Wanna Be Your Man" as his big addition. It's also shocking to me that one of his kids haven't talked to their Dad about how he totally ignores his great solo songs. I just scratch my head.
"It takes work, preparation and rehearsing if you are going to bring out songs that you've never done before live. " Yes it does and that is why the set list the other night was a major disappointment to me. He had months to prepare and did nothing different. I get that he is almost 75 but how tough would it be for a rock icon and his touring band for over a decade to learn and incorporate 5 -6 totally new songs into set list For example, "Little Willow" would be great acoustic song for him to do and it is barely three minutes long. The same thing is true for "Early Days" which you mentioned. His band did "That Was Me" live before a couple of times so that would not be a long rehearsal for the band. I am going to go out on a limb and say in addition to those songs it would not be that difficult for them to be prepared to do songs like "Promise To You Girl", "Take It Away" and "My Brave Face". "It's also shocking to me that one of his kids haven't talked to their Dad about how he totally ignores his great solo songs. I just scratch my head." If I was guessing, I would think they may be more Wings fans because it is music that both their Mom and Dad sang together. Then again, you would like to think they love his more current music. Maybe they really don't care about what he plays in concert.
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It seems that Paul has got complacent and doesnt feel the need to challenge himself, its shame because it wouldnt need a lot to give his show a whole new dimension. Still undecided wether to try for a MSG ticket but it seems at 75 his shows are set in stone for the way forward.
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jonh81:
It seems that Paul has got complacent and doesnt feel the need to challenge himself, its shame because it wouldnt need a lot to give his show a whole new dimension. Still undecided wether to try for a MSG ticket but it seems at 75 his shows are set in stone for the way forward.
I think Paul's attitude is - "If it's not broke, dont fix it." He's measuring success by concert sellouts, audience reaction, etc. So, that' why I dont think hes making much of an effort to change the show.