The ..2012.... Political thread
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Mclenarr:
Good luck to everyone in Russia standing up for their rights against the fascist murderer Putin!
Btw, thanx a lot for wishing us the destiny of nowadays Libya or Iraq. Another hundred thousands people's riot in Britain and you may be sure that you guarantied yourself a fly-free zone. P.S. God, save the Queen And her fascist regime They made you a moron P.P.S. the Communist Party of Russia which actually complains over election results and most probably did unfairly lose loads of votes (I donno but maybe) send you its warm regards and ask you to pray for this guy coz if you don't he'll come after you tonight while you're sleeping, muahhahaha!!! Go, commies! Yay! Nice to see they enjoy some much support on the West. Because if the elections are found unfair it is them who's actually won. And if Putin is not the head of Russia for taking part in holocaust, once again it's the leader of commies who used to come right after him on every election. So like I said, go, commies!
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That bill pertains to all Americans being regarded as potential terrorists...many are urging President Obama to veto this bill.
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^^^The bill did not say all americans are suspected terrorists. It simply states that if any suspected terrorist (American or not) can be detained and questioned without being formally charged. Funny to watch how things are spun out of context
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President Obama in Osawatomie, Kansas 12/6
text remarks: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/06/remarks-president-economy-osawatomie-kansas Highlights:[...] Today, we?re still home to the world?s most productive workers. We?re still home to the world?s most innovative companies. But for most Americans, the basic bargain that made this country great has eroded. Long before the recession hit, hard work stopped paying off for too many people. Fewer and fewer of the folks who contributed to the success of our economy actually benefited from that success. Those at the very top grew wealthier from their incomes and their investments -- wealthier than ever before. But everybody else struggled with costs that were growing and paychecks that weren?t -- and too many families found themselves racking up more and more debt just to keep up. Now, for many years, credit cards and home equity loans papered over this harsh reality. But in 2008, the house of cards collapsed. We all know the story by now: Mortgages sold to people who couldn?t afford them, or even sometimes understand them. Banks and investors allowed to keep packaging the risk and selling it off. Huge bets -- and huge bonuses -- made with other people?s money on the line. Regulators who were supposed to warn us about the dangers of all this, but looked the other way or didn?t have the authority to look at all. It was wrong. It combined the breathtaking greed of a few with irresponsibility all across the system. And it plunged our economy and the world into a crisis from which we?re still fighting to recover. It claimed the jobs and the homes and the basic security of millions of people -- innocent, hardworking Americans who had met their responsibilities but were still left holding the bag. And ever since, there?s been a raging debate over the best way to restore growth and prosperity, restore balance, restore fairness. Throughout the country, it?s sparked protests and political movements -- from the tea party to the people who?ve been occupying the streets of New York and other cities. [...] This is the defining issue of our time. This is a make-or-break moment for the middle class, and for all those who are fighting to get into the middle class. Because what?s at stake is whether this will be a country where working people can earn enough to raise a family, build a modest savings, own a home, secure their retirement. Now, in the midst of this debate, there are some who seem to be suffering from a kind of collective amnesia. After all that?s happened, after the worst economic crisis, the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, they want to return to the same practices that got us into this mess. In fact, they want to go back to the same policies that stacked the deck against middle-class Americans for way too many years. And their philosophy is simple: We are better off when everybody is left to fend for themselves and play by their own rules. I am here to say they are wrong. (Applause.) [...] But Roosevelt also knew that the free market has never been a free license to take whatever you can from whomever you can. (Applause.) [...] ?The market will take care of everything,? they tell us. If we just cut more regulations and cut more taxes -- especially for the wealthy -- our economy will grow stronger. Sure, they say, there will be winners and losers. But if the winners do really well, then jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everybody else. And, they argue, even if prosperity doesn?t trickle down, well, that?s the price of liberty. Now, it?s a simple theory. And we have to admit, it?s one that speaks to our rugged individualism and our healthy skepticism of too much government. That?s in America?s DNA. And that theory fits well on a bumper sticker. (Laughter.) But here?s the problem: It doesn?t work. It has never worked. (Applause.) [...] We simply cannot return to this brand of ?you?re on your own? economics if we?re serious about rebuilding the middle class in this country. (Applause.) We know that it doesn?t result in a strong economy. It results in an economy that invests too little in its people and in its future. We know it doesn?t result in a prosperity that trickles down. It results in a prosperity that?s enjoyed by fewer and fewer of our citizens. Look at the statistics. In the last few decades, the average income of the top 1 percent has gone up by more than 250 percent to $1.2 million per year. I?m not talking about millionaires, people who have a million dollars. I?m saying people who make a million dollars every single year. For the top one hundredth of 1 percent, the average income is now $27 million per year. The typical CEO who used to earn about 30 times more than his or her worker now earns 110 times more. And yet, over the last decade the incomes of most Americans have actually fallen by about 6 percent. Now, this kind of inequality -- a level that we haven?t seen since the Great Depression -- hurts us all. When middle-class families can no longer afford to buy the goods and services that businesses are selling, when people are slipping out of the middle class, it drags down the entire economy from top to bottom. America was built on the idea of broad-based prosperity, of strong consumers all across the country. That?s why a CEO like Henry Ford made it his mission to pay his workers enough so that they could buy the cars he made. [...] Inequality also distorts our democracy. It gives an outsized voice to the few who can afford high-priced lobbyists and unlimited campaign contributions, and it runs the risk of selling out our democracy to the highest bidder. (Applause.) It leaves everyone else rightly suspicious that the system in Washington is rigged against them, that our elected representatives aren?t looking out for the interests of most Americans. [...] So what does that mean for restoring middle-class security in today?s economy? Well, it starts by making sure that everyone in America gets a fair shot at success. The truth is we?ll never be able to compete with other countries when it comes to who?s best at letting their businesses pay the lowest wages, who?s best at busting unions, who?s best at letting companies pollute as much as they want. That?s a race to the bottom that we can?t win, and we shouldn?t want to win that race. (Applause.) Those countries don?t have a strong middle class. They don?t have our standard of living. The race we want to win, the race we can win is a race to the top -- the race for good jobs that pay well and offer middle-class security. Businesses will create those jobs in countries with the highest-skilled, highest-educated workers, the most advanced transportation and communication, the strongest commitment to research and technology. The world is shifting to an innovation economy and nobody does innovation better than America. Nobody does it better. (Applause.) [...] We shouldn?t be weakening oversight and accountability. We should be strengthening oversight and accountability. [...] The fact is this crisis has left a huge deficit of trust between Main Street and Wall Street. And major banks that were rescued by the taxpayers have an obligation to go the extra mile in helping to close that deficit of trust. At minimum, they should be remedying past mortgage abuses that led to the financial crisis. They should be working to keep responsible homeowners in their home. We?re going to keep pushing them to provide more time for unemployed homeowners to look for work without having to worry about immediately losing their house. [...]
I'm a proud Democrat...can't wait for the election...bring on the dimwits Who's is it going to be Romney : Grigrich : Maybe Paul : Huntsman : Can't wait ...should be fun
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A Newt nomination will be the first genuine break Obama has had throughout his entire first term. I cannot believe the continuing idiocy of conservatives: Newt Gingrich is a corrupt, fat sleezebag. Where do I begin with him? The record number of Congressional ethics violations? The Freddie Mac hypocrisy? Again...thank you, conservatives. If Newt gets the nom', I will do a cartwheel. However, it is not enough to re-elect Obama -- we HAVE to give him a Congressional Democratic super-majority. The Republicans have been showing their collective ASS -- by blocking everything, fillerbustering like mad, protecting the greedy, forsaking the middle-class.
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I look at the field of choices and wonder ...... is that the best you can do? (I thought it during the last Presidential election cycle too). Then I started to wonder if people thought the same about .... Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan, Franklin Roosevelt ...etc .... those that are talked about among presidents .... (and what I hear .....they did think that these candidates were not good choices ...... and as President(s) they would rise to the job expectations) is that the best you can do? I would hope that everyone of the possible candidates can prove me wrong ... and become better than I think they are at this time ..... this is only an opinion ..... not a blog, not a news article ... not a cut and paste job ....
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There was a time when fringe lunatics like Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum wouldn't have even been part of the discussion. There was a time when clearly unqualified, ignorant fools like Rick Perry and Herman Cain NEVER would've surged in the polls. Do people in Iowa really have such a high tolerance for morons? It seems like the less intelligent you are -- the more conservative middle Americans will like you. Remember that stupid poll that asked which candidate would you want to have a beer with? Have our standards gotten that low?
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"Americans like stupid things"--a generalization which I use to describe certain popular things in pop culture. It's a great pity if that extends to politics, too!
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Like American Idol for Presidential Elections .... sad really
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The_Fool:
Like American Idol for Presidential Elections .... sad really
That about sums it up, doesn't it?
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I think I would like a little breathing room on occasion when it comes to the dogmatic approach taken now for the political arena. I wish to take my own view on the matter vote and hope for the best. There is so much hatred in the media. I wish this approach would die down . It really brings a very ugly picture to whats going on to mind when I hear it. I tend to turn my vote away from candidates that get into hate mongering. love doris
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Obamacare responsible for 2.5 MIllion more young adults having health insurance...yowza awesome http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/APNewsBreak-2-5M-young-adults-gain-coverage-2401522.php#ixzz1gVfIOtId
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does it pay for botox treatments?
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love2travel:
The_Fool:
Like American Idol for Presidential Elections .... sad really
That about sums it up, doesn't it?
actually that would be the fairest way and fastest way to get money out of politics. the system we have now where the 1% hand us the best bullshitter and we can choose from right or left. My gods look at are choices. We have Obama who done shit. He taken more money from banks than anyone and PARMA!!!! than you got the Romney and Newt one left office in disgrace and became a lobbies the other bought business up and dismantled them. You got Ron Paul who not perfect but knows his stuff and it honest. I swear I never vote a white old Texan in again but he's my choice because the media doesn't want him and their blocking him from being heard. and he the OWS choice. A run off for each state than 50 candidate until it down to 6 than at that time allow them to debate so you really can hear what there saying. Look how today the media directs the question and than tell us the next day who won. This way week after week you hear these guys speak and than you would vote one out of six No more close calls or corruption. no more money deciding who wins. the winner will be because they can answer the question honestly. How can you vote in a president on 5-6 debates. It depends on how good they are at debating. Have the public be able each week to call in questions and see how the politician does when asked point blank. How else can we start to get a choice instead of being handed them. To much money to run for office. Make a show and guess what advertising pays for it and only smart people will watch and vote.. how great is that.
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mustangsally10:
Obamacare responsible for 2.5 MIllion more young adults having health insurance...yowza awesome http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/APNewsBreak-2-5M-young-adults-gain-coverage-2401522.php#ixzz1gVfIOtId
But does it pay for honest health care, or is it a pile of media paraphernalia, brochures, the "Smiley Tooth" cartoons, like sex education in school with the money going to Big Business ad and media concerns instead of tangible treatments and cures for the children? An excessive special tobacco tax is paying for this, not a general tax paid by all for the value that it claims, and then the tobacco taxes are designed to discourage the use of tobacco Against the Consent of The First Person Adult Who Happens to Use It, so what is so good about it? When is everyone going to divvy up and why should we if the program is just a pile of media crap with the money going to video producers and lectures in the classroom by travelling guest speakers paid for by the organizations receiving the taxes (who lobbied hard for the unjust tobacco taxes and who do not pay one penny for their programs) instead of paying for honest treatments and cures for the needy? EDIT: Something else: This CHIP Health Insurance qualifies health insurance for the children of families of four who earn $36 thousand a year with provisions to allow families earning up to $48 thousand a year to receive the insurance paid for exclusively by tobacco users, many of whom are Single Adults and poorer than the families receiving the insurance (or media crap). How can this be fair?
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Audley's Piano:
mustangsally10:
Obamacare responsible for 2.5 MIllion more young adults having health insurance...yowza awesome http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/APNewsBreak-2-5M-young-adults-gain-coverage-2401522.php#ixzz1gVfIOtId
But does it pay for honest health care, or is it a pile of media paraphernalia, brochures, the "Smiley Tooth" cartoons, like sex education in school with the money going to Big Business ad and media concerns instead of tangible treatments and cures for the children? An excessive special tobacco tax is paying for this, not a general tax paid by all for the value that it claims, and then the tobacco taxes are designed to discourage the use of tobacco Against the Consent of The First Person Adult Who Happens to Use It, so what is so good about it? When is everyone going to divvy up and why should we if the program is just a pile of media crap with the money going to video producers and lectures in the classroom by travelling guest speakers paid for by the organizations receiving the taxes (who lobbied hard for the unjust tobacco taxes and who do not pay one penny for their programs) instead of paying for honest treatments and cures for the needy? EDIT: Something else: This CHIP Health Insurance qualifies health insurance for the children of families of four who earn $36 thousand a year with provisions to allow families earning up to $48 thousand a year to receive the insurance paid for exclusively by tobacco users, many of whom are Single Adults and poorer than the families receiving the insurance (or media crap). How can this be fair?
Perhaps not have so much caffeine What are you talking about here? Sounds like it's just a rant on tobacco taxes. This I know something about. No, I'm not a smoker because I don't want to get a debilitating type of head & neck or lung cancer that causes premature death and whose medical costs are so high that they in no way can be covered by the patient and have to be covered by the general public who see their medical premiums sky rocket and the rest has to be covered by OUR taxes. High tobacco taxes(prices) make it less likely that people (including children)will smoke (proven) so I'm all for them. Smokers who can't quit need addiction intervention. Don't worry, so far Obamacare is working fine and most of it hasn't even been implemented BTW...Christopher Hitchens who died yesterday was a lifelong smoker and died at a young age from esophageal cancer. One of the many cancers caused by smoking.
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if we taxed fat and rich people...we'd take care of the rest of the problems?
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Ah, I suppose you'll be taxing caffeine next...even though you don't use it yourself..so when do you pay for CHIP? And you are wrong. The CHIP program is financed exclusively by federal tobacco taxes, so what you are saying is that those of us who smoke are going to die from a horrible death...hey, let's rip them off to pay for children's health programs instead. The following link is only a quick reference to the facts of CHIP. The views expressed may not be my own: http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba670 Besides, the high taxes will force We the Idiots to quit smoking. It's a Win-Win... ...except who the hell then pays for the children's CHIP? I'll accept your arguments however. According to The American Cancer Society and The State of California, from the official California Cancer Registry website Stae Dept of Public Health: http://www.ccrcal.org/pdf/Reports/ACS_2012.pdf Page 1
How many new cases will there be this year? In 2012, nearly 144,800 Californians will be diagnosed with cancer. (This estimate does not include non-melanoma skin cancer and carcinoma in situ for sites other than bladder.) This is equivalent to more than 16 new cases every hour of every day. How many people will die? In 2012, nearly 55,415 people will die of the disease ? about 150 people each day. Of every four deaths in California, one is from cancer. Cancer is the second leading cause of death, accounting for 24% of all deaths in 2009.
The total population of The State of California is 36.9 Million People.
Could more people be saved? Cancers caused by tobacco and heavy use of alcohol can be prevented. The American Cancer Society estimates that more than 16,397 lives will be lost to cancer in California because of tobacco use. About 1,700 cancer deaths were related to excessive alcohol use, frequently in combination with tobacco use.
The smoking population of The State of California is ~14% = 3.6 to 5.1 Million smokers. I quote the 3.6 Million figure as supplied by the organizations, however, 14% of the total State population is 5.1 Million people. Note the numbers by the ACS. More than two-thirds of all cancer deaths are Not smoking related and account for less than 1% of The Smoking Population at the low figure, let alone the entire population. But Cancer is a terrible disease, so why aren't we all paying for the cure? Because the Feds are ripping off 18 Billion a year from just the tobacco users to pay for "Smiley Tooth" cartoons instead of fighting for the cure, using tobacco as a scapegoat while ignoring the dying. So when will you pitch in?
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I pitch in by educating about the causes of cancer as in US at least 60% are lifestyle related http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/news/environmental-cancers
Smoking alone accounts for at least 30 percent of all U.S. cancer deaths, and about the same percentage is attributed to diet, obesity and physical inactivity. But it?s the remaining cancers ? about one out of every three ? that trigger debate.
So 60% of cancers in US can be cured(prevented) by lifestyles changes. I can't change someone's lifestyle they have to change their own all I can do is educate.
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Modifiable risks include smoking, drinking, obesity, high cholesterol, diebetes (modifiable because while diebetes is uncurable, complications are primarily due to lack of compliance to the prescribed treatment plan), sediment lifestyle, and couple others I'm missing - only age, gender, race and past family medical history make up unmodifiable risks for most cancers and/or heart disease. But I'm not sure what that has to do with the discussion...it seems you believe everyone should foot the bill for medical insurance that covers everyone. But what I just typed above - which seems to mirror what you said (modifiable risk factors make up 60% of all risk factors) - would indicate that the opposite should be true - people should be responsible for their own health...and that should expand to 'own health insurance' as well...it's not like either party (democratic or republican) ever said, 'so you have a broken leg but have not insurance??? you're screwed'...people with emergencies get treated regardless. You're argurment may be that they then get stuck with a huge bill that will affect them adversely for years...but the actually truth is that most folks without insurance are in that situation because they're poor (or almost poor)...thus nobody is going to hold a gun to their head and make them pay (unless their fortune turns around at some point and they find themselves with ganished pay checks)