Newtown, Connecticut, Sandy Hook Elementary School.
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kapoo:
walliebaby:
And btw, quit playing mod, Doris never framed the topic of this thread to 'honor' those lost. She framed it as a discussion. I'm on topic. Good luck to you as a teacher. Sincerely.
*shrugs* It's your choice to talk about whatever you want to. I'm just choosing to leave the debate in a thread about the victims of a horrible tragedy.
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While we're enjoying our time with friends and family this holiday season, don't forget to hug those you love a little bit tighter.
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Unfortunately... If there was a personal armed guard for every student on earth...the odds at best for the guard are still 50/50 because of the element of surprise. There are far better ways to decrease the chances of events like this one happening, than to increase the presence of the things that were in part, responsible for it to begin with.
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But who's to say what it begins with? The gun...TV violence, computer game violence...mental state...gang violence...big shot punks?
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and it isn't just schools. Didn't this happen not that long ago in a McDonald's? We had a Browns Chicken plowed under because of murders there. It happens everywhere. Parents need to teach values to kids!
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kapoo:
walliebaby:
audi:
There's now talk of looking into the idea of teachers being required to carry firearms. My boyfriend is a middle-school teacher, and we both believe that idea is preposterous.
Yup. Let's fight guns with more guns. Next they'll suggest inserting land mines into the floor in front of the school doors to take care of unwanted visitors.
: Perhaps the armed guards in each school could also pat down all of the students before they enter the building, as the majority of school shooters in recent years have been students. God forbid we put money into mental health and community resources to help these people versus gunning them down when these mentally ill people who've not been helped inevitably snap. Being reactive is easier than being proactive, after all.
Of course money should be spent on prevention, mental health and community resources. But someone explain to me why we wouldn't have guards at each entrance and metal detectors? You guys make it so black and white. What I'm saying is what will happen. No question in my mind, it's common sense. ....along with stiffer gun control laws and whatever prevention can be accomplished. Which btw someone explain to me how that's going to happen...
It's a shame that children have to walk through metal detectors. The school where the shooting occurred had an armed officer, right? The doors were locked. The perpetrator broke his way in, so metal detectors would've served no benefit in this scenario. The problem is the guns.
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walliebaby:
While we're enjoying our time with friends and family this holiday season, don't forget to hug those you love a little bit tighter.
I agree....I think this thread should be left to remembering and honoring those beautiful souls that were lost
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JennyLP:
walliebaby:
While we're enjoying our time with friends and family this holiday season, don't forget to hug those you love a little bit tighter.
I agree....I think this thread should be left to remembering and honoring those beautiful souls that were lost
I do see that a thread on the other topic would be appropriate, though, given the amount of discussion on it. However, this thread shouldn't be that place.
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Great video. I hope that at least the words of famous people are heard. http://www.georgianews.ge/world/21576-stars-against-weapon--how-many-more.html
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Merely mourning isn't enough to prevent this shit from happening again. I'm frustrated that America is a tiny percentage of the world's population...yet...we account for half the world's guns. This needs to be part of the discussion, but I've said my peace now.
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audi:
Merely mourning isn't enough to prevent this s**t from happening again. I'm frustrated that America is a tiny percentage of the world's population...yet...we account for half the world's guns. This needs to be part of the discussion, but I've said my peace now.
I just started a separate thread on gun control and armed guards in schools so that this thread could remain for those who lost their lives in CT. ETA: What typically happens with an event like this is people mourn for a few days and then forget the victims because they're fighting over what should be done. I don't like that idea, as over 20 people lost their lives, some who were just beginning to have one.
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SurSteven:
May We Please Find The Answers...
Amen!
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SurSteven:
Unfortunately... If there was a personal armed guard for every student on earth...the odds at best for the guard are still 50/50 because of the element of surprise. There are far better ways to decrease the chances of events like this one happening, than to increase the presence of the things that were in part, responsible for it to begin with.
As fast as these shootings happen, an armed guard in a school would no nothing to prevent one. They are over in less than a minute. Armed guard couldn't get there in that amount of time. Banks don't have armed guards. They hire rent a cops.
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Unfortunetly with incidents like these there are copycats and even in San Antonio, We have had similar incidents involving schools and movie theaters love doris
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and no one wants to bring up the fact that the NRA is a white organization. Mostly if not all.
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kapoo:
Fan4-45years:
oobu24:
kapoo:
oobu24:
kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer.
Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
The reason you don't have mass shootings in these inner city schools is because they already have metal detectors and police presence. Yeah the gangs off themselves one at a time out of school, but at least for the most part it's gangs and drug dealers shooting themselves up. In the worst areas you don't see these mass school shootings cause there's already police presence. Time to bring it to the white affluent suburbs I you ask me.
ehhh...check some death totals over weekends in the summer. This year I was shocked to hear maybe 20 or more were killed over the weekend.
It's all too much. If you have armed guards in schools...after awhile they'll be like the airport people...snoozing on the job...slackin off...totally uninterested. Mall cops.
Last year there was a full time armed policeman in the school where I worked. He was always alert and ready to roll. I talked to him sometimes. He was all business, no nonsense type. All you had to do was request his presence. He would be there in a second. He got a kid to tell who stole a teacher's phone (she always locked it up after that) and those kids NEVER TELL on each other. With all of the taxes we pay, why CAN'T we have an armed policemen at every school. It will create more jobs AND protect children and teachers. Seems like a win win to me.
Thank you, good post. Arming every teacher is idiotic, but putting armed guards in schools unfortunately may be required. and like I've said, its already happening in many of the worst school systems in the country. and you don;t hear about mass shootings in those schools. its always the affluent 'white' 'not a care in the world' areas. time to wake up. And where's the proof there was an armed guard at Columbine, cause I had never heard that. Sounds made up. Did the armed guard do anything? If there was one, well hopefully future officers will be more up to the task. and believe me, I am the biggest proponent of outlawing 99% of guns. Who the hell needs an ooozi, no one. I'm just saying, I'm tired of leaving our kids exposed.
I shutter to think what arming tchrs and principals would look like. Probably have MORE shootings, LOL (I know, inappropriate observation for this thread. No offense intended.).
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kapoo:
Fan4-45years:
oobu24:
kapoo:
oobu24:
kapoo:
walliebaby:
I've been following this conversation closely as I'm in the classroom every day. I will say that arming teachers or having armed officers in school is just NOT the answer.
Guns and students don't mix. I'm not for desensitizing students to guns or their presence in those students' lives. That would be like saying that no new drivers' licenses should be given out because there are too many traffic accidents. Guns in schools? No way. Not a chance.
I don't know why you laugh about the suggestion walliebaby. There are schools in Chicago where I'm from that have metal detectors and armed cops in them already, and you don't see this type of stuff happening, even though these schools are loaded with gang members etc. it works. And you all can go around thinking you're gonna change everyone's heads, but I say I'll pay a little more in taxes to have the added protection of an armed officer protecting my kids in school. Arming teachers is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying one or two armed cops is totally a viable option. It would absolutely stop the chances of what just happened from ever happening again. Again, it's not a laughing matter.
Kapoo...I am in Chicago too & we both know it doesn't only happen in scholls. What about all the shootings all frickin year long? Innocent kids & even adults are shot for no reason. Cops at every svhool will not work. There will never be that kind of money available unless the parents pay a special tuition or something. The guns will never be taken off the streets.
The reason you don't have mass shootings in these inner city schools is because they already have metal detectors and police presence. Yeah the gangs off themselves one at a time out of school, but at least for the most part it's gangs and drug dealers shooting themselves up. In the worst areas you don't see these mass school shootings cause there's already police presence. Time to bring it to the white affluent suburbs I you ask me.
ehhh...check some death totals over weekends in the summer. This year I was shocked to hear maybe 20 or more were killed over the weekend.
It's all too much. If you have armed guards in schools...after awhile they'll be like the airport people...snoozing on the job...slackin off...totally uninterested. Mall cops.
Last year there was a full time armed policeman in the school where I worked. He was always alert and ready to roll. I talked to him sometimes. He was all business, no nonsense type. All you had to do was request his presence. He would be there in a second. He got a kid to tell who stole a teacher's phone (she always locked it up after that) and those kids NEVER TELL on each other. With all of the taxes we pay, why CAN'T we have an armed policemen at every school. It will create more jobs AND protect children and teachers. Seems like a win win to me.
Thank you, good post. Arming every teacher is idiotic, but putting armed guards in schools unfortunately may be required. and like I've said, its already happening in many of the worst school systems in the country. and you don;t hear about mass shootings in those schools. its always the affluent 'white' 'not a care in the world' areas. time to wake up. And where's the proof there was an armed guard at Columbine, cause I had never heard that. Sounds made up. Did the armed guard do anything? If there was one, well hopefully future officers will be more up to the task. and believe me, I am the biggest proponent of outlawing 99% of guns. Who the hell needs an ooozi, no one. I'm just saying, I'm tired of leaving our kids exposed.
Here's the proof there was an armed guard at Columbine.... http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/12/21/columbine_armed_guard_colorado_shooting_shows_that_nra_s_shield_program.html Best chance kids have is if deranged killer does not have access to assault weapons that can kill dozens.
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Kids, parents, teachers should not have to be fearful over being in school. Teachers everywhere are now concerned that they are sitting ducks. These are sad & scary times indeed.
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Sorry but we got a shortern version of the press conference over here didnt anyone tell him teh GOODGUYS have guns already. please list below the federal, state , city, county bodies that hold guns ( mostly in my knowledge handguns). Then kindly pass onto the NRA, NRA just like the IRA the only peace lovong non sectarian organistion in Ireland ( warning that was political sacrasm).
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GYPSYGIRL:
Kids, parents, teachers should not have to be fearful over being in school. Teachers everywhere are now concerned that they are sitting ducks. These are sad & scary times indeed.
Agreed. Schools should be safe for all. Childhood is short enough and kids should never have it (or their lives) so violently ripped from them.