Take It Away: The Complete Paul McCartney Archive Podcast

B J Conlee

Thanks Calicoskych. After checking it out, You are exactly right...Love Come Tumbling Down was finally put out as a B-side of Beautiful Night in December of 1997. Paul wrote it in the mid-80's I believe.

Anyway, it is a great song in my opinion. Probably 95% of casual Beatle and Beatle Paul fans wouldn't know the song. This is why Paul needs a Deep Anthology Compilation. He has so many hidden gems from each decade starting in 1970.

B J Conlee

B J Conlee wrote:

Love these podcasts from Chris and Ryan. I really dove into the 80's because I found the period so fascinating. To some (from Beatle and even Paul fans, haters and all points in between) this began the period that Paul really began going downhill. As a big time Paul music fan, I totally disagree. Yes, he definitely had quite a few missteps and some bad songs, but I look at the bigger picture and as the guys said, there was so much material to be digested. Chris and Ryan really gave great background information that really sets the stage for why Paul might have been so confused and with shaken confidence. Just look at some of the things going on to one of the most famous men on the planet at the time.

John's tragic death of course started off the decade and obviously that really shook him. Then after he had huge commercial success with Tug of War and the overplayed Stevie and Michael collaboration hits, he then finds out that Mr. Jackson steals the Beatles' song rights right from under Paul and Yoko's feet. Not getting along with Yoko certainly didn't help his cause.

On the music side, he then had his big flops (Broad Street and Press to Play). This is a guy that isn't used to failures. Because he is obsessed with music and is a workaholic (blue collar background) he was trying so hard by the mid 80's to be relevant again. That had to be a very tall order since he was getting older (Rock is for the youth) and the music styles and even recording techniques were changing at such a rapid pace. He even had the misfortune and embarrassment at Live Aid where his "mike" didn't work.

With this in mind, Paul was desperate for hits again and he consequently was going through Producers (Phil Ramone, David Foster, Hugh Padgen etc.)  left and right. The guys really explained this period very well. No wonder Paul was confused and made many misteps at the time.

But here we are in 2018 almost 30 years after the end of that terrible decade for Paul. Conversely in my mind here is good news. As always and throughout his entire career, Paul doesn't stop even with failures (remember Wildlife). He continues to write songs and record. Yes, some are bad ones and admittedly some that should be for compleatest (Big Day, Atlantic City etc.) only. But on the other side, there are many good to very good gems that should be unearthed.

I loved the part in the "Pepperland" Podcast where Chris and Ryan put together a made up album of these forgotten/unknown songs. But what, in my opinion, Paul really needs is a 2 disc set (at the very least) for each decade because he has so much good material. And doing it by Decade makes so much sense.

In my mind this should be the anti Pure McCartney and All the Best compilations which are loaded with the hit songs and singles that everyone knows and already has. Here is my example of a 2 Disc, 80's Package that Paul needs primarily for his own legacy. After all, he is far more than just his famous Beatle and Wings' hits/songs.

80's Disc 1

Coming Up - great rare and "faster" live version from the ICA 7/5/07 show with only 300 people in the audience)

On the Way

One of These Days

Take It Away

The Pound is Sinking

Somebody Who Cares

Rainclouds (B-side)

Sweetest Little Show

Simpe As That (great little rare Paul song off the Anti Heroin Project album)

Not Such a Bad Boy

No Values

On the Wings of a Nightingale (great demo given by Paul to the Everly Brothers)

Footprints

Move Over Busker

Back on My Feet (B-side Paul/Elvis Costello collaboration)

Love Come Tumbling Down (great Unreleased track)

Yvonne's the one (great unreleased track)

My Brave Face (album version)

You Want Her Too (album version)

Lovers That Never Were (Demo with Elviss)

Tommy's Coming Home (Demo with Elvis)

Loveliest Thing (B-side)

Disc 2 (80's)

Tug of War

Here Today (best live acoustic version)

Summer's Day Song

I'll Give You a Ring (B-side)

The Other Me

Through Our Love

Stranglehold

Tough on a Tightrope

Once Upon a Long Ago (Single only)

Put It There (live version with the extra ending)

Figure of 8 (Single version)

This One (album version)

That Day is Done (album version)

25 Fingers (Paul/Elvis demo)

So Like Candy (Paul/Elvis demo)

Don't Be Careless Love (Paul/Elvis demo)

Distractions (album version)

I Love This House (CD single)

Flying to My Home (B-side)

Love Mix (CD Single)

21) Return to Pepperland (unreleased song)

Lindianna (unreleased song)

Just look at these songs which is suppose to be Paul's "down" decade. This is the type of compilation that I was hoping "Pure McCartney" was going to be. Something that the "true" fans would want to have. More importanly, it would show that Paul was far more than his Wings' and 70 hits. Except for Coming Up and Here Today which are totally different versions, there aren't any duplications here from Pure McCartney. And I'm only going by what I have heard on You Tube and these podcasts. Just think if you would have access to Paul's vaults. I'm sure you might find some tasty demo's of some of the "forgotten" album tracks I've included here.

Thanks again Chris and Ryan. Can't wait till you begin the 90's.

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Just a couple of additional points to the above 80's Tracklist (proposed 2 Cd's for a Deep Anthology Package by Decade)

From Paul's legacy perspective, he really needs an Anthology like this that concentrates by Decade on rare tracks, B-sides, lost album cuts, unreleased songs, live versions etc. where so many Beatle and even Paul fans are totally unfamiliar. I found it amazing that of the 44 high quality 80's tracks on my list above, only 2 of them (Coming Up and Here Today) were actually on the recent 67 track Pure Mccartney Deluxe Compilation. And they were totally different versions (live alternatives). And as I look at this list this morning,  I am still finding gems that weren't included.

Because Macca was so prolific during the 80's, maybe a few of them above that were actually released later (in the 90's) as B-sides and/or additional tracks on CD Singles, should be put on a 90's Anthology Disc. These songs would include Love Come Tumbling Down, I Love This House, and Love Mix. Because Paul was not as prolific in the 2nd half of the 90's due to Linda's illness, they could easily be included on one of the 90's discs if Paul would ever consider such an ambitious CD package. The beauitiful thing is that all these songs already exist.

I want to emphasize that my proposed 80's tracklist above is just one example. People could easily quibble with some of my song choices versus songs omitted but I wanted to emphasize the idea itself...that Paul has so many lost, forgotten and unknown songs that should be available to the fans. It would also attrack new fans that just didn't realize that Paul had so many good to very good unknown songs.

A few other 80's songs that could easily be included over some of my choices might be:

Only Love Remains - live version featuring Judith Light (from the TV Show Who's the Boss) singing background with Linda...just a beautiful version

It's Not True - demo (nice track that wasn't on the original Press to Play Vinyl/Album

Talk More Talk - Chris and Ryan really love this track from Press to Play and hearing it again, I have to agree

Ode to a Koala Bear - B-side of the Say Say Say single from the Pipes of Peace era

I Can't Write Another Song - I believe this is unreleased but a nice little gem

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I could go on and on. Similarly Paul also has so many relatively unknown and lost songs from the 70's era too as well as the other decades. If I were he and his kids, I would want at some point this kind of package. Maybe kids these days don't buy CD's much anymore but my era fans (true Paul fans) would be in line to buy them once they saw the tracklisting and it wasn't the same titles that everyone knows. And if this type compilation was out, the younger music fans upon hearing sampes on the internet would be downloading specific tracks.

Hope Paul reads this and begins to realize that he did have a fantastic career after the Beatles. Even Sirius Radio with their Beatles channel (Channel 18)  are playing little from Paul after 1980.

Yankeefan2

B J Conlee wrote:

B J Conlee wrote:

Love these podcasts from Chris and Ryan. I really dove into the 80's because I found the period so fascinating. To some (from Beatle and even Paul fans, haters and all points in between) this began the period that Paul really began going downhill. As a big time Paul music fan, I totally disagree. Yes, he definitely had quite a few missteps and some bad songs, but I look at the bigger picture and as the guys said, there was so much material to be digested. Chris and Ryan really gave great background information that really sets the stage for why Paul might have been so confused and with shaken confidence. Just look at some of the things going on to one of the most famous men on the planet at the time.

John's tragic death of course started off the decade and obviously that really shook him. Then after he had huge commercial success with Tug of War and the overplayed Stevie and Michael collaboration hits, he then finds out that Mr. Jackson steals the Beatles' song rights right from under Paul and Yoko's feet. Not getting along with Yoko certainly didn't help his cause.

On the music side, he then had his big flops (Broad Street and Press to Play). This is a guy that isn't used to failures. Because he is obsessed with music and is a workaholic (blue collar background) he was trying so hard by the mid 80's to be relevant again. That had to be a very tall order since he was getting older (Rock is for the youth) and the music styles and even recording techniques were changing at such a rapid pace. He even had the misfortune and embarrassment at Live Aid where his "mike" didn't work.

With this in mind, Paul was desperate for hits again and he consequently was going through Producers (Phil Ramone, David Foster, Hugh Padgen etc.)  left and right. The guys really explained this period very well. No wonder Paul was confused and made many misteps at the time.

But here we are in 2018 almost 30 years after the end of that terrible decade for Paul. Conversely in my mind here is good news. As always and throughout his entire career, Paul doesn't stop even with failures (remember Wildlife). He continues to write songs and record. Yes, some are bad ones and admittedly some that should be for compleatest (Big Day, Atlantic City etc.) only. But on the other side, there are many good to very good gems that should be unearthed.

I loved the part in the "Pepperland" Podcast where Chris and Ryan put together a made up album of these forgotten/unknown songs. But what, in my opinion, Paul really needs is a 2 disc set (at the very least) for each decade because he has so much good material. And doing it by Decade makes so much sense.

In my mind this should be the anti Pure McCartney and All the Best compilations which are loaded with the hit songs and singles that everyone knows and already has. Here is my example of a 2 Disc, 80's Package that Paul needs primarily for his own legacy. After all, he is far more than just his famous Beatle and Wings' hits/songs.

80's Disc 1

Coming Up - great rare and "faster" live version from the ICA 7/5/07 show with only 300 people in the audience)

On the Way

One of These Days

Take It Away

The Pound is Sinking

Somebody Who Cares

Rainclouds (B-side)

Sweetest Little Show

Simpe As That (great little rare Paul song off the Anti Heroin Project album)

Not Such a Bad Boy

No Values

On the Wings of a Nightingale (great demo given by Paul to the Everly Brothers)

Footprints

Move Over Busker

Back on My Feet (B-side Paul/Elvis Costello collaboration)

Love Come Tumbling Down (great Unreleased track)

Yvonne's the one (great unreleased track)

My Brave Face (album version)

You Want Her Too (album version)

Lovers That Never Were (Demo with Elviss)

Tommy's Coming Home (Demo with Elvis)

Loveliest Thing (B-side)

Disc 2 (80's)

Tug of War

Here Today (best live acoustic version)

Summer's Day Song

I'll Give You a Ring (B-side)

The Other Me

Through Our Love

Stranglehold

Tough on a Tightrope

Once Upon a Long Ago (Single only)

Put It There (live version with the extra ending)

Figure of 8 (Single version)

This One (album version)

That Day is Done (album version)

25 Fingers (Paul/Elvis demo)

So Like Candy (Paul/Elvis demo)

Don't Be Careless Love (Paul/Elvis demo)

Distractions (album version)

I Love This House (CD single)

Flying to My Home (B-side)

Love Mix (CD Single)

21) Return to Pepperland (unreleased song)

Lindianna (unreleased song)

Just look at these songs which is suppose to be Paul's "down" decade. This is the type of compilation that I was hoping "Pure McCartney" was going to be. Something that the "true" fans would want to have. More importanly, it would show that Paul was far more than his Wings' and 70 hits. Except for Coming Up and Here Today which are totally different versions, there aren't any duplications here from Pure McCartney. And I'm only going by what I have heard on You Tube and these podcasts. Just think if you would have access to Paul's vaults. I'm sure you might find some tasty demo's of some of the "forgotten" album tracks I've included here.

Thanks again Chris and Ryan. Can't wait till you begin the 90's.

______________________________________________________________________

Just a couple of additional points to the above 80's Tracklist (proposed 2 Cd's for a Deep Anthology Package by Decade)

From Paul's legacy perspective, he really needs an Anthology like this that concentrates by Decade on rare tracks, B-sides, lost album cuts, unreleased songs, live versions etc. where so many Beatle and even Paul fans are totally unfamiliar. I found it amazing that of the 44 high quality 80's tracks on my list above, only 2 of them (Coming Up and Here Today) were actually on the recent 67 track Pure Mccartney Deluxe Compilation. And they were totally different versions (live alternatives). And as I look at this list this morning,  I am still finding gems that weren't included.

Because Macca was so prolific during the 80's, maybe a few of them above that were actually released later (in the 90's) as B-sides and/or additional tracks on CD Singles, should be put on a 90's Anthology Disc. These songs would include Love Come Tumbling Down, I Love This House, and Love Mix. Because Paul was not as prolific in the 2nd half of the 90's due to Linda's illness, they could easily be included on one of the 90's discs if Paul would ever consider such an ambitious CD package. The beauitiful thing is that all these songs already exist.

I want to emphasize that my proposed 80's tracklist above is just one example. People could easily quibble with some of my song choices versus songs omitted but I wanted to emphasize the idea itself...that Paul has so many lost, forgotten and unknown songs that should be available to the fans. It would also attrack new fans that just didn't realize that Paul had so many good to very good unknown songs.

A few other 80's songs that could easily be included over some of my choices might be:

Only Love Remains - live version featuring Judith Light (from the TV Show Who's the Boss) singing background with Linda...just a beautiful version

It's Not True - demo (nice track that wasn't on the original Press to Play Vinyl/Album

Talk More Talk - Chris and Ryan really love this track from Press to Play and hearing it again, I have to agree

Ode to a Koala Bear - B-side of the Say Say Say single from the Pipes of Peace era

I Can't Write Another Song - I believe this is unreleased but a nice little gem

____________________________________________________________________

I could go on and on. Similarly Paul also has so many relatively unknown and lost songs from the 70's era too as well as the other decades. If I were he and his kids, I would want at some point this kind of package. Maybe kids these days don't buy CD's much anymore but my era fans (true Paul fans) would be in line to buy them once they saw the tracklisting and it wasn't the same titles that everyone knows. And if this type compilation was out, the younger music fans upon hearing sampes on the internet would be downloading specific tracks.

Hope Paul reads this and begins to realize that he did have a fantastic career after the Beatles. Even Sirius Radio with their Beatles channel (Channel 18)  are playing little from Paul after 1980.

It is a shame you are not part of McCartney's management team. You have more knowledge of his music than anyone he has working with him and possible Mr. McCartney himself - lol. The songs you put toghether would be great and what an album like "Pure McCartney should have been. Radio is pathetic when it comes to McCartneye's post Beatle songs. You will get the typical Wings hits and something from the 80's will always be "Ebony and "Ivory" or "Say Say Say". As we both have said many times, part of that comes from his live show being for the most part an oldie show. It also does not help that when he is interviewd 95% of the interview is about the Beatles and maybe Wings.

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B J Conlee

Yankeefan2 wrote:

B J Conlee wrote:

B J Conlee wrote:

Love these podcasts from Chris and Ryan. I really dove into the 80's because I found the period so fascinating. To some (from Beatle and even Paul fans, haters and all points in between) this began the period that Paul really began going downhill. As a big time Paul music fan, I totally disagree. Yes, he definitely had quite a few missteps and some bad songs, but I look at the bigger picture and as the guys said, there was so much material to be digested. Chris and Ryan really gave great background information that really sets the stage for why Paul might have been so confused and with shaken confidence. Just look at some of the things going on to one of the most famous men on the planet at the time.

John's tragic death of course started off the decade and obviously that really shook him. Then after he had huge commercial success with Tug of War and the overplayed Stevie and Michael collaboration hits, he then finds out that Mr. Jackson steals the Beatles' song rights right from under Paul and Yoko's feet. Not getting along with Yoko certainly didn't help his cause.

On the music side, he then had his big flops (Broad Street and Press to Play). This is a guy that isn't used to failures. Because he is obsessed with music and is a workaholic (blue collar background) he was trying so hard by the mid 80's to be relevant again. That had to be a very tall order since he was getting older (Rock is for the youth) and the music styles and even recording techniques were changing at such a rapid pace. He even had the misfortune and embarrassment at Live Aid where his "mike" didn't work.

With this in mind, Paul was desperate for hits again and he consequently was going through Producers (Phil Ramone, David Foster, Hugh Padgen etc.)  left and right. The guys really explained this period very well. No wonder Paul was confused and made many misteps at the time.

But here we are in 2018 almost 30 years after the end of that terrible decade for Paul. Conversely in my mind here is good news. As always and throughout his entire career, Paul doesn't stop even with failures (remember Wildlife). He continues to write songs and record. Yes, some are bad ones and admittedly some that should be for compleatest (Big Day, Atlantic City etc.) only. But on the other side, there are many good to very good gems that should be unearthed.

I loved the part in the "Pepperland" Podcast where Chris and Ryan put together a made up album of these forgotten/unknown songs. But what, in my opinion, Paul really needs is a 2 disc set (at the very least) for each decade because he has so much good material. And doing it by Decade makes so much sense.

In my mind this should be the anti Pure McCartney and All the Best compilations which are loaded with the hit songs and singles that everyone knows and already has. Here is my example of a 2 Disc, 80's Package that Paul needs primarily for his own legacy. After all, he is far more than just his famous Beatle and Wings' hits/songs.

80's Disc 1

Coming Up - great rare and "faster" live version from the ICA 7/5/07 show with only 300 people in the audience)

On the Way

One of These Days

Take It Away

The Pound is Sinking

Somebody Who Cares

Rainclouds (B-side)

Sweetest Little Show

Simpe As That (great little rare Paul song off the Anti Heroin Project album)

Not Such a Bad Boy

No Values

On the Wings of a Nightingale (great demo given by Paul to the Everly Brothers)

Footprints

Move Over Busker

Back on My Feet (B-side Paul/Elvis Costello collaboration)

Love Come Tumbling Down (great Unreleased track)

Yvonne's the one (great unreleased track)

My Brave Face (album version)

You Want Her Too (album version)

Lovers That Never Were (Demo with Elviss)

Tommy's Coming Home (Demo with Elvis)

Loveliest Thing (B-side)

Disc 2 (80's)

Tug of War

Here Today (best live acoustic version)

Summer's Day Song

I'll Give You a Ring (B-side)

The Other Me

Through Our Love

Stranglehold

Tough on a Tightrope

Once Upon a Long Ago (Single only)

Put It There (live version with the extra ending)

Figure of 8 (Single version)

This One (album version)

That Day is Done (album version)

25 Fingers (Paul/Elvis demo)

So Like Candy (Paul/Elvis demo)

Don't Be Careless Love (Paul/Elvis demo)

Distractions (album version)

I Love This House (CD single)

Flying to My Home (B-side)

Love Mix (CD Single)

21) Return to Pepperland (unreleased song)

Lindianna (unreleased song)

Just look at these songs which is suppose to be Paul's "down" decade. This is the type of compilation that I was hoping "Pure McCartney" was going to be. Something that the "true" fans would want to have. More importanly, it would show that Paul was far more than his Wings' and 70 hits. Except for Coming Up and Here Today which are totally different versions, there aren't any duplications here from Pure McCartney. And I'm only going by what I have heard on You Tube and these podcasts. Just think if you would have access to Paul's vaults. I'm sure you might find some tasty demo's of some of the "forgotten" album tracks I've included here.

Thanks again Chris and Ryan. Can't wait till you begin the 90's.

______________________________________________________________________

Just a couple of additional points to the above 80's Tracklist (proposed 2 Cd's for a Deep Anthology Package by Decade)

From Paul's legacy perspective, he really needs an Anthology like this that concentrates by Decade on rare tracks, B-sides, lost album cuts, unreleased songs, live versions etc. where so many Beatle and even Paul fans are totally unfamiliar. I found it amazing that of the 44 high quality 80's tracks on my list above, only 2 of them (Coming Up and Here Today) were actually on the recent 67 track Pure Mccartney Deluxe Compilation. And they were totally different versions (live alternatives). And as I look at this list this morning,  I am still finding gems that weren't included.

Because Macca was so prolific during the 80's, maybe a few of them above that were actually released later (in the 90's) as B-sides and/or additional tracks on CD Singles, should be put on a 90's Anthology Disc. These songs would include Love Come Tumbling Down, I Love This House, and Love Mix. Because Paul was not as prolific in the 2nd half of the 90's due to Linda's illness, they could easily be included on one of the 90's discs if Paul would ever consider such an ambitious CD package. The beauitiful thing is that all these songs already exist.

I want to emphasize that my proposed 80's tracklist above is just one example. People could easily quibble with some of my song choices versus songs omitted but I wanted to emphasize the idea itself...that Paul has so many lost, forgotten and unknown songs that should be available to the fans. It would also attrack new fans that just didn't realize that Paul had so many good to very good unknown songs.

A few other 80's songs that could easily be included over some of my choices might be:

Only Love Remains - live version featuring Judith Light (from the TV Show Who's the Boss) singing background with Linda...just a beautiful version

It's Not True - demo (nice track that wasn't on the original Press to Play Vinyl/Album

Talk More Talk - Chris and Ryan really love this track from Press to Play and hearing it again, I have to agree

Ode to a Koala Bear - B-side of the Say Say Say single from the Pipes of Peace era

I Can't Write Another Song - I believe this is unreleased but a nice little gem

____________________________________________________________________

I could go on and on. Similarly Paul also has so many relatively unknown and lost songs from the 70's era too as well as the other decades. If I were he and his kids, I would want at some point this kind of package. Maybe kids these days don't buy CD's much anymore but my era fans (true Paul fans) would be in line to buy them once they saw the tracklisting and it wasn't the same titles that everyone knows. And if this type compilation was out, the younger music fans upon hearing sampes on the internet would be downloading specific tracks.

Hope Paul reads this and begins to realize that he did have a fantastic career after the Beatles. Even Sirius Radio with their Beatles channel (Channel 18)  are playing little from Paul after 1980.

It is a shame you are not part of McCartney's management team. You have more knowledge of his music than anyone he has working with him and possible Mr. McCartney himself - lol. The songs you put toghether would be great and what an album like "Pure McCartney should have been. Radio is pathetic when it comes to McCartneye's post Beatle songs. You will get the typical Wings hits and something from the 80's will always be "Ebony and "Ivory" or "Say Say Say". As we both have said many times, part of that comes from his live show being for the most part an oldie show. It also does not help that when he is interviewd 95% of the interview is about the Beatles and maybe Wings.

Thanks Yankeefan. As I said, Paul should hire both of us to do a "real" Anthology by Decade for the "true" fans of his Post Beatles' music.

Interesting tid bits about his latest compilation...Pure McCartney. The 67 track Deluxe edition only has 12 tracks from the 80's whereas there are 32 tracks from the 70's. That makes some sense because Paul had more "hits" in the 70's but it just shows the inbalance of a compilation showcasing his entire Post Beatles career. Anyway, my 80's tracklist above only has 2 songs on Pure McCartney and as mentioned, they are totally different versions (live versions of Coming Up and Here Today). And I would do special "rare" live versions of both songs not on any other compilations that Paul alread has.

The 12 tracks on Pure McCartney from the 80's are:

Waterfalls (followup single after Coming Up from McCartney 2)

Say Say Say

Pipes of Peace (followup single after Say Say Say and reached #1 on UK singles chart for 2 weeks)

Ebony and Ivory

Here Today (Tug of War album version)

Press (lead single from Press to Play album peaking at 21 on US Singles chart)

Wanderlust

We All Stand Together (Sometimes referred as The frog song or from chorus) - A Paul children's song from the animated "Rupert and the Frog Song". It actually reached #3 in the UK Singles Chart in December 1984 and reentered the UK Singles chart the following Christmas. I never realized it was so big in the UK.

Coming Up

Good Times Coming/Feel the Sun (from Press to Play)

No More Lonely Nights

Temporary Secretary (from McCartney 2 and 3rd single from McCartney 2)

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Not surprising that most of the 80's songs above were put on the "hit and singles heavy" Pure McCartney Compilation. The only exception Non-singles were Here Today, Wanderlust and Good Times Coming. I only put Here Today on my proposed 2 CD 80's track listing because of the importance of the song relative to Paul's full career and life. Also he has so many really good "live" acoustic alternative versions to the string heavy album version that I think it would make total sense to include it. Same sort of thought process on Coming Up because it was the first big hit for Paul starting off the 80's and Paul has a couple of really good rare "Live" versions available. If Pure McCartney didn't contain Wanderlust, it would definitely been included on my proposed type set because I believe it is one of Paul's all time top Solo songs (probably top 10 for me). Because I deliberately wanted to avoid duplication I didn't include all the songs above except the 2 I mentioned.

As I also mentioned, my initial 2 CD list did contain a few rare tracks (unreleased in the 80's) that later became released in the 90's. They include Love Come Tumbling Down, Love Mix, and I Love this House. I would remove them and put them into  the 90's Discs.

Also, if I was thinking strictly of quality, I would probably remove "Return to Pepperland". As much as I like the sentimentality of the song (Paul thinking about his Beatle days and at the time around the 20th Anniversary of Seargent Peppers) it really isn't a good song (bad and unfinished lyrics) and in this case was propably smart never being officially released. There are some great replacements to the 4 songs mentioned immediately above including Ode to a Koala Bear, Only Love Remains, Playboy to a Man (with Elvis Costello), I Can't Write Another Song etc.

The point is that there could be a tremendous 2 Cd 80's set for the true fans that could really showcase what a terrific songwriting 80's decade that Paul really had despite the misteps.

Nancy R · GA Dome, Atlanta, GA May 1, 1993

Small request: Could you guys please only quote the most recent pertinent post and delete the rest of it? Thanks!

B J Conlee

Nancy R wrote:

Small request: Could you guys please only quote the most recent pertinent post and delete the rest of it? Thanks!

No problem Nancy.

B J Conlee

Revised 2 CD (the 80's Decade) Deep Anthology Tracklist

Disc 1

1)Coming Up - great rare "faster" live version from the ICA (I-tunes's show) with only 300 people in attendance

On the Way
One of These Days
Take It Away (Single version)

5)The Pound is Sinking

6)Someone Who Cares

7)Rainclouds (B side to Ebony and Ivory)

Sweetest Little Show
Simple As That (great little rare Paul song off the Anti-Heroine Project album)
Ode to a Koala Bear (B-side to Say Say Say)
Not Such a Bad Boy (Broad Street Soundtrack)
No Values (Broad Street Soundtrack)
On the Wings of a Nightingale (great Paul demo of the song he gave to the Everly Brothers)
Footprints
Talk More Talk
Move Over Busker
Yvonne's the One (unreleased gem from the Press to Play sessions)
My Brave Face (Single version)
Flying to My Home (B-side to My Brave Face)
You Want Her Too (album version)
Lovers That Never Were (Paul-Elvis demo)
Tommy's Coming Home (Paul-Elvis demo)
Playboy to a Man (Paul-Elvis demo)

Disc 2

Tug of War (Single version)
Here Today (best acoustic "live" version)
Summer's Day Song
I'll Give You a Ring (B-side to Take It Away)
The Other Me (love Paul's soul/R&B vocal)
Through Our Love
Ballroom Dancing
Stanglehold (best version)
Tough on a Tightrope (best version)
Only Love Remains (Live version with Judith Light (Who's the Boss) singing back-up vocals with Linda)
Once Upon a Long Ago (best version)
Back on My Feet (B-side to Once Upon a Long Ago)
Put It There (best live version with the additional ending)
Same Time Next Year (B-side to Put it There)
Figure of Eight (best live version)
This One (Single version)
That Day is Done (album version)
20 Fine Fingers (Paul-Elvis Demo)
So Like Candy (Paul-Elvis Demo)
Don't Be Careless Love (Paul-Elvis demo and superior to Album version)
Distractions (album version)
Wanderlust (Broad Street version)
Can't Write Another Song (short great little demo)

I took a little more time with this revised set and decided to move a few of the 80's unreleased songs on my original list to a 90's Disc. While they were unreleased songs in the 80's they were subsequently released as B-sides or bonus tracks to CD Singles in the 90's. I added one more song "Wanderlust" (only 3 total) that was also on the Pure McCartney Deluxe Compilation but like the other 2, this is a totally different version. This is the Broad street version. I'm thinking quality here and Wanderlust in my opinion is one of Paul's very best Solo Songs.

I would also take the approach of the "best" full song. I never liked the approach that was taken in the Beatles' Anthology (especially the 2nd and 3rd Sets) where they took multiple takes to the same song. I prefer the "best" full versions of "great lost and forgotten" songs (b-sides, album cuts, unreleased, special live versions etc). That was my idea in the first place with "quality" being a big part of this proposed set. This is not necessarily a "compleatest" Set but with an emphasis of an enjoyable listen for the "true" McCartney fan first and foremost. I considered an unreleased song like "Return to Pepperland" but in my opinion, the song is not good enough for this set. The same is true with a song like "Spies Like Us" which was actually a hit for Paul in the US (and not on Pure McCartney) but in my mind it is just way too much 80's production. In the end, I can't blieve that you have this many quality 80's songs (46 in total) from Paul and only 3 are on Pure McCartney but with different versions. And this was suppose to be Paul's "down" decade. This is precisely why Macca needs a "Deep Anthology" Compilation by Decade.

B J Conlee

On my revised list immediately above, I forgot one that I think should be included if this kind of "lost and/or forgotten type Compilation Set would ever take place. The song is a total (to this day) unreleased one called:

Lindiana

Yes, I know the true McCartney fans have probably heard it on You Tube but I think it is a very beautiful song. It is complete with beautiful instrumentation. Chris and Ryan were poking fun at some of the lyrics but they liked it a lot too. Certainly fits the "lost and forgotten" theme of Paul's 80's music.

Looking at my revised list, you have like:

7 - B-sides

6- Unreleased songs (if you include Lindiana)

6 - Demo's (complete songs)

Adding some rare "live" songs and alternative recordings, a set like this would be great for the true Paul fans. They would definitely buy it. And as I said, word of mouth would get to many people (especially younger generations) who know Paul and his big hits but don't know his overall Catalog. These younger generations may not buy the CD package but they may "download" (and buy!) quite a few of the individual songs.

Actually in writing this little addition, I think I just stumbled upon a great "title" for a Compilation. The main title could be called:

"LOST AND FORGOTTEN"

It would really sum up the overwhelming theme of the track list. Unfortunately, another common theme you hear about Paul's Solo Career from music critics is descriptions like "hit and miss" or "inconsistent" at best. But these critics (especially Baby boomer critics my age) are often too lazy to dig into all of his material. They are always just pointing out his big hits...Ebony and Ivory, Say Say Say, Wonderful Christmastime, Silly Love Songs, My Love etc. Not that these are bad songs but that is what too many people think about Paul's 45 year career after the Beatles. Conversely, a compilation like this would focus on the "lost and forgotten" great songs. I think many casual fans of Paul McCartney would be very pleasantly surprised. It would be like hearing new songs again from Paul.

That is why Paul NEEDS A COMPILATION OF "LOST AND FORGOTTEN" BY DECADE. Paul, Mary, Linda, James, Nancy....are you listening and don't you agree?

Yankeefan2

It would really sum up the overwhelming theme of the track list. Unfortunately, another common theme you hear about Paul's Solo Career from music critics is descriptions like "hit and miss" or "inconsistent" at best. But these critics (especially Baby boomer critics my age) are often too lazy to dig into all of his material. They are always just pointing out his big hits...Ebony and Ivory, Say Say Say, Wonderful Christmastime, Silly Love Songs, My Love etc. Not that these are bad songs but that is what too many people think about Paul's 45 year career after the Beatles. Conversely, a compilation like this would focus on the "lost and forgotten" great songs. I think many casual fans of Paul McCartney would be very pleasantly surprised. It would be like hearing new songs again from Paul.

That is why Paul NEEDS A COMPILATION OF "LOST AND FORGOTTEN" BY DECADE. Paul, Mary, Linda, James, Nancy....are you listening and don't you agree?

Great idea (love the title) and love the songs. The only way this would happen would be after McCartney is no longer with us and the estate would want to make some money. I know that is cynical but it is probably the truth

B J Conlee

Yankeefan2 wrote:

It would really sum up the overwhelming theme of the track list. Unfortunately, another common theme you hear about Paul's Solo Career from music critics is descriptions like "hit and miss" or "inconsistent" at best. But these critics (especially Baby boomer critics my age) are often too lazy to dig into all of his material. They are always just pointing out his big hits...Ebony and Ivory, Say Say Say, Wonderful Christmastime, Silly Love Songs, My Love etc. Not that these are bad songs but that is what too many people think about Paul's 45 year career after the Beatles. Conversely, a compilation like this would focus on the "lost and forgotten" great songs. I think many casual fans of Paul McCartney would be very pleasantly surprised. It would be like hearing new songs again from Paul.

That is why Paul NEEDS A COMPILATION OF "LOST AND FORGOTTEN" BY DECADE. Paul, Mary, Linda, James, Nancy....are you listening and don't you agree?

Great idea (love the title) and love the songs. The only way this would happen would be after McCartney is no longer with us and the estate would want to make some money. I know that is cynical but it is probably the truth

Thanks Yankeefan. You are probably right as far as the viability of a compilation project like "Lost and Forgotten".

The next project will certainly be the long waited "new" album. Assuming that it comes out later this year, the perfect time for the type of project we're talking about would be like 2020. That would be the end of the decade and would represent 50 years of Paul's Post Beatles career. Hopefully, his health will continue to be good, he does less touring and starts to realize that he has actually had a pretty great Solo career. As long as he keeps touring however, the focus will unfortunately be on his Beatle days and the Beatle heavy setlists.

It does seem rather simple to me. The material is already there. He just needs to have a couple of people (how about you and me Yankeefan) dig into his vaults for all of his rare mixes, unreleased stuff, B-sides, special live versions etc. and determine the best ones. I love You Tube and I recently heard a simplified alternate version (without all the 80's production) of "It's Not True" the next to last song on the Press to Play CD. It sounded great and actually better than the album version. He has so many good to great songs for a "Lost and Forgotten" Compilation for all 5 Decades.

I still have to listen to a few more Podcasts from Ryan and Chris. Just heard the McCartney 1970 album podcast which was, as usual, very interesting. From there, I have a few more from the 70's to hear. While I know quite a bit about Paul's 70's period, it is still very interesting to hear their opinions and some of the songs he left off those respective albums.

Yankeefan2

B J Conlee wrote:

Yankeefan2 wrote:

It would really sum up the overwhelming theme of the track list. Unfortunately, another common theme you hear about Paul's Solo Career from music critics is descriptions like "hit and miss" or "inconsistent" at best. But these critics (especially Baby boomer critics my age) are often too lazy to dig into all of his material. They are always just pointing out his big hits...Ebony and Ivory, Say Say Say, Wonderful Christmastime, Silly Love Songs, My Love etc. Not that these are bad songs but that is what too many people think about Paul's 45 year career after the Beatles. Conversely, a compilation like this would focus on the "lost and forgotten" great songs. I think many casual fans of Paul McCartney would be very pleasantly surprised. It would be like hearing new songs again from Paul.

That is why Paul NEEDS A COMPILATION OF "LOST AND FORGOTTEN" BY DECADE. Paul, Mary, Linda, James, Nancy....are you listening and don't you agree?

Great idea (love the title) and love the songs. The only way this would happen would be after McCartney is no longer with us and the estate would want to make some money. I know that is cynical but it is probably the truth

Thanks Yankeefan. You are probably right as far as the viability of a compilation project like "Lost and Forgotten".

It does seem rather simple to me. The material is already there. He just needs to have a couple of people (how about you and me Yankeefan) dig into his vaults for all of his rare mixes, unreleased stuff, B-sides, special live versions etc. and determine the best ones. I love You Tube and I recently heard a simplified alternate version (without all the 80's production) of "It's Not True" the next to last song on the Press to Play CD. It sounded great and actually better than the album version. He has so many good to great songs for a "Lost and Forgotten" Compilation for all 5 Decades.

You know what we should do is send this idea in form of a question to McCartney and see if they select it to be answered - lol

B J Conlee

Just listened to Ryan and Chris's Podcast of the 1st McCartney album. I'm now charging ahead with the rest of the 70's albums/Podcasts I haven't heard yet. At this point, I have only listened to Back to the Egg and Londontown (the final '70 abums). Thought I would start at the beginning.

As usual I enjoyed this podcast where the guys were describing the overall album and Paul's final months/years with the Beatles. The other thing that I found very interesting is that because Ryan and Chris are so much younger than a baby boomer like me, they had already heard other Paul Solo albums before his first one. As they described, they were kind of shocked upon hearing this album because it was so different than the later albums (except McCartney 2). When they heard the opening 3 tracks (The Lovely Linda, That Would be Something, Valentine Day), they were shocked because of the bare bones nature of the sound.

I was not surprised with their choices of the top and best 3 tracks....Maybe I'm Amazed, Every Night and Junk. That would be the picks of most people. What did surprise me however was how they felt about some of the 2nd tier tracks. Ryan and Chris both really liked songs like...Oo You, Teddy Boy and Man We Was Lonely.

I remember back in the day (early 70's) when there was so much division among Beatle fans after the breakup. There was a lot of John vs. Paul talk at the time where fans took sides. Even the other 3 Beatles were very critical of Paul's first album (and also subsequent albums like Ram and Wildlife). I had friends and acquaintances who were more John fans who were crushing songs like Teddy Boy, Man We Was Lonely, That We Would Be Something and the overall album.

Very interesting to hear Ryan and Chris who were either too young or not around during those times. Because their in another generation, they look at the tracks objectively. They actually like Teddy Boy quite a lot (music and lyrics). I remember Teddy Boy being maligned so much because John poked fun at it during a Beatles' Let It Be rehearsal. Paul originally wrote a few of the songs back in '68 and '69. While Teddy Boy is not a top tier Macca song in my opinion, I agree that it is a pretty good song. I like the sentiment of the song in the lyrics as well as Paul's unique guitar and vocal work.

The guys didn't go into "other" songs that Paul had written at the time and subsequently wasn't put on the McCartney album. They did mention the unreleased song "Suicide". They liked it as do I. Suicide would certainly be a song to be included on my idea of a "Lost and Forgotten" Compilation . It would obviously make great sense to be on a 70's Disc.

Maybe on the Ram podcast they will mention another great unreleased demo song Paul wrote for Mary Hopkin in 1969. It is called "Goodbye" that you see a lot on You Tube. Another song that is perfect for a "Lost and Forgotten" Compilation.

B J Conlee

Forgot to mention a couple of things that Chris and Ryan mentioned about the biggest and most memorable track on McCartney...Maybe I'm Amazed.

They pointed out how flawless and seemless the production is considering Paul used a 4 track taping process and is playing all the instruments. They felt it almost sounds like Paul is playing with a live Band.

Still to this day my favorite version of MIA is the original one on the McCartney album. Never understood why it wasn't released as the A-side Single upon the release of the album. I like the subsequent Top 10 live"Single" version from Wings Over America in 1976 but I still love the "raw" sound of the original. I remember once entering a Mall just a few years ago and just catching the "ending" guitars and how great and classic it still sounded.

The recent Pure McCartney compilation were right, in my opinion, to use the "original" as the 1st track on the package. Since many consider Maybe I'm Amazed to be Paul's greatest Solo Song and there are so many available versions of this song, I would personally be in favor of including an "alternative version" in a future Deep Anthology type of Compilation. Please just don't include one of the live renditions from 2016 or 2017. Paul's current vocals abilities can't handle MIA like he did in his earlier years.

The Ram Podcast is next for me and I can't wait.

Nancy R · GA Dome, Atlanta, GA May 1, 1993

B J Conlee wrote:

Forgot to mention a couple of things that Chris and Ryan mentioned about the biggest and most memorable track on McCartney...Maybe I'm Amazed.

They pointed out how flawless and seemless the production is considering Paul used a 4 track taping process and is playing all the instruments. They felt it almost sounds like Paul is playing with a live Band.

Still to this day my favorite version of MIA is the original one on the McCartney album. Never understood why it wasn't released as the A-side Single upon the release of the album. I like the subsequent Top 10 live"Single" version from Wings Over America in 1976 but I still love the "raw" sound of the original. I remember once entering a Mall just a few years ago and just catching the "ending" guitars and how great and classic it still sounded.

The recent Pure McCartney compilation were right, in my opinion, to use the "original" as the 1st track on the package. Since many consider Maybe I'm Amazed to be Paul's greatest Solo Song and there are so many available versions of this song, I would personally be in favor of including an "alternative version" in a future Deep Anthology type of Compilation. Please just don't include one of the live renditions from 2016 or 2017. Paul's current vocals abilities can't handle MIA like he did in his earlier years.

Totally agree!! I thought MIA was recorded at Abbey Road. Yep:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maybe_I%27m_Amazed

Yankeefan2

B J Conlee wrote:

I had friends and acquaintances who were more John fans who were crushing songs like Teddy Boy, Man We Was Lonely, That We Would Be Something and the overall album.

I thought "Teddy Boy" was originally recorded for a Beatles album but did not make the cut.

Nancy R · GA Dome, Atlanta, GA May 1, 1993

Yankeefan2 wrote:

B J Conlee wrote:

I had friends and acquaintances who were more John fans who were crushing songs like Teddy Boy, Man We Was Lonely, That We Would Be Something and the overall album.

I thought "Teddy Boy" was originally recorded for a Beatles album but did not make the cut.

Yes, it was recorded in 1969 during the Let It Be sessions in January.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Boy_(song)

B J Conlee

Yankeefan2 wrote:

B J Conlee wrote:

I had friends and acquaintances who were more John fans who were crushing songs like Teddy Boy, Man We Was Lonely, That We Would Be Something and the overall album.

I thought "Teddy Boy" was originally recorded for a Beatles album but did not make the cut.

As Nancy pointed out, that is correct. Apparently, they were trying to record it for the "Let It Be" album but as Paul basically says, there was so much acrimony during those sessions, the guys just didn't have the patience to finish it. Seeing in the notes that Paul had originally wrote Teddy Boy in India. Stylisitically the song would have been a much better fit on the White Album since it is more of an acoustic number. Either Chris or Ryan made that same comment on the McCartney album Podcast.

I'm glad Teddy Boy eventually made it on McCartney. It was a great fit on that album. Not a great song in my opinion but I nice album track.

B J Conlee

Nancy R wrote:

B J Conlee wrote:

Forgot to mention a couple of things that Chris and Ryan mentioned about the biggest and most memorable track on McCartney...Maybe I'm Amazed.

They pointed out how flawless and seemless the production is considering Paul used a 4 track taping process and is playing all the instruments. They felt it almost sounds like Paul is playing with a live Band.

Still to this day my favorite version of MIA is the original one on the McCartney album. Never understood why it wasn't released as the A-side Single upon the release of the album. I like the subsequent Top 10 live"Single" version from Wings Over America in 1976 but I still love the "raw" sound of the original. I remember once entering a Mall just a few years ago and just catching the "ending" guitars and how great and classic it still sounded.

The recent Pure McCartney compilation were right, in my opinion, to use the "original" as the 1st track on the package. Since many consider Maybe I'm Amazed to be Paul's greatest Solo Song and there are so many available versions of this song, I would personally be in favor of including an "alternative version" in a future Deep Anthology type of Compilation. Please just don't include one of the live renditions from 2016 or 2017. Paul's current vocals abilities can't handle MIA like he did in his earlier years.

Totally agree!! I thought MIA was recorded at Abbey Road. Yep:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maybe_I%27m_Amazed

Thanks Nancy for the Wikipedia article on Maybe I'm Amazed. Some interesting notes there:

*Maybe I'm Amazed came out #347 out of 500 for the greatest songs of all time. I'm assuming they are talking more about the rock era. Regardless, that is a joke. I would like to see the list of the 3 hundred and 46 songs that are deemed better. Do they take into account that Paul played all the instruments and produced the song via a 4 track tape player.

*The article mentions that Paul composed the significanly longer version for his live shows. As I mentioned, while I like the live versions, I still like the "fade out" shorter version the best. I just love the "raw" album version better and the guitars during the ending fade out. On the studio version, it still sounds like Paul has a band behind him.

*Mr. Winner, the critic from Rolling Stone praised Maybe I'm Amazed as a great song but noted that MIA was the "only" song on McCartney that can begin to match his best work with the Beatles. Don't know if I totally agree with that premise. Maybe if you compare Paul's top 15-20 Beatles' songs that would be correct but I do think Every Night and Junk are very good songs. That's the point about those other 2 songs that Mr. Winner fails to mention. Most good artists would love to have songs like Every Night and Junk in their repetoire.

Nancy R · GA Dome, Atlanta, GA May 1, 1993

Yeah, there are quite a number of solo Paul songs that are as good as anything he wrote when he was a Beatle: Beautiful Night, No More Lonely Nights, Calico Skies, to name a few off the top of my head. Maybe I’m Amazed is his #1 solo song for me.