THE 'FRESHEN UP' TOUR 2018
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nobodytoldme wrote:
It's pure greed, end of.
Anyway, he's doing Vienna 5 December: http://www.oe24.at/musik/konzerte/Paul-McCartney-Neues-Album-Austro-Konzert/340435771
Clickable link for Nancy!
http://www.oe24.at/musik/konzerte/Paul-McCartney-Neues-Album-Austro-Konzert/340435771
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WixRocks wrote:
This is the side of things I can't consider, because I get very angry...because I know the sheer greed of it all is the number one factor...and it pisses me off to know end, that a 76-year old legend who I adore more than most people I've known personally for decades, would make such greedy decisions. I'm not saying he should lose money by touring (although, I have a different definiton of that than Bob does), but it's really beyond an absurdity at this point...and has been for about sixteen years.
And...he can't lose something if he doesn't already have it. He's just losing the opportunity to make more money.
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forget 64 wrote:
I don't know of many entertainers, or sports teams, that lower prices on seats for sold out arenas or stadiums. I live in NY. Madison Square Garden is always sold out for the Hockey and Basketball games.. They make a ton of money and they haven't even put out a good product. . All the prices keep going up because the seats are full. The NY Yankees, who have always made good money from their fans keep raising the prices and getting it. I would rather pay less for everything but I don't know of any business entities that are very successful and just decide to lower the price because they have a lot of money.
As a long time Yankee fan, let me add something to your post. Take a look at the crowd at a Yankee game and you will see plenty of seats around home plate empty because those are the ones that are just crazy expensive. I can get a seat for a Yankee game for $50 that is not in the upper deck, try getting a seat to a McCartney concert for that amount of money - lol.
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WixRocks wrote:
This is the side of things I can't consider, because I get very angry...because I know the sheer greed of it all is the number one factor...and it pisses me off to know end, that a 76-year old legend who I adore more than most people I've known personally for decades, would make such greedy decisions. I'm not saying he should lose money by touring (although, I have a different definiton of that than Bob does), but it's really beyond an absurdity at this point...and has been for about sixteen years.
McCartney is a billionaire and it is a business. He charges what he does because he can as long as people are willing to pay these prices. I am sure he does not think he is being greedy - lol. A few months ago , my wife and I went to see Bon Jovi at the last moment and got seats about 5 rows for the top of the arena for $29.50 (not counting ticket charges). Obviously, Bon Jovi is not Paul McCartney but it does show you the difference - lol.
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nobodytoldme wrote:
Bob Gannon wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
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No, this is how a night entertaintment should be: not being screwed over. And when one doesn't gross the same money as he does elsewhere, one doesn't "lose money". An arena in the US grosses 1,5 to 2,5 million on ticket sales, an arena in European 1 to 2 million. Poor Paul. And "cheaper prices" are like what, 150 euros for a standing ticket?
Actually all VIP tickets are almost half. And yes, you are losing money when you can be playing somewhere else and making more. It's why the US is always having his shows
But he’s losing money while touring in the US. Because he could exclusively do billionaire birthday party’s with a 45 minute set for a 5 million fee, but he only makes 2 million a show while playing the US states he did in July last year, so he’s losing 3 million. See, this doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. That's not the definition of "losing money". It's pure greed, end of.
Anyway, he's doing Vienna 5 December: http://www.oe24.at/musik/konzerte/Paul-McCartney-Neues-Album-Austro-Konzert/340435771
Clickable link!
http://www.oe24.at/musik/konzerte/Paul-McCartney-Neues-Album-Austro-Konzert/340435771
I don’t quite follow you. If he was REALLY greedy, he would only do parties for billionaires and make more money, but he doesn’t. To me, he is still greedy, though, by allowing such high prices to be charged in the U.S. verses elsewhere. Doesn’t he realize we compare notes?
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Legendary promoter Bill Graham said it in the 70's: "Rock and Roll is no different than IBM, McDonald's, Chevrolet, etc. Supply and demand - it's the same business"
When Paul played at BC Place stadium in 2012 in Vancouver for the first time since '64, ticket demand was very high and scarce. When he came back in 2016 for 2 shows at the arena, floor tickets were under face on secondary market, and there were some visibly empty seats for both nights.
Desert Trip 2016 - 3 day GA pit passes were around $1800 usd face, then rose as high as $10 000 on secondary, then plummetted to $300 the week of the festival. Goes to show...
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nobodytoldme wrote:
Anyway, he's doing Vienna 5 December:
http://www.oe24.at/musik/konzerte/Paul-McCartney-Neues-Album-Austro-Konzert/340435771
Good catch!
I would guess that there will be a few more concerts in Europe before Vienna (during the last couple of weeks in November), and maybe one more between Vienna and Liverpool (perhaps on December 7th or 8th).
There is also that rumour about Paris being one of those November/December concerts, which seems likely at this point.
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Nancy R wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
Bob Gannon wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
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No, this is how a night entertaintment should be: not being screwed over. And when one doesn't gross the same money as he does elsewhere, one doesn't "lose money". An arena in the US grosses 1,5 to 2,5 million on ticket sales, an arena in European 1 to 2 million. Poor Paul. And "cheaper prices" are like what, 150 euros for a standing ticket?
Actually all VIP tickets are almost half. And yes, you are losing money when you can be playing somewhere else and making more. It's why the US is always having his shows
But he’s losing money while touring in the US. Because he could exclusively do billionaire birthday party’s with a 45 minute set for a 5 million fee, but he only makes 2 million a show while playing the US states he did in July last year, so he’s losing 3 million. See, this doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. That's not the definition of "losing money". It's pure greed, end of.
Anyway, he's doing Vienna 5 December: http://www.oe24.at/musik/konzerte/Paul-McCartney-Neues-Album-Austro-Konzert/340435771
Clickable link!
http://www.oe24.at/musik/konzerte/Paul-McCartney-Neues-Album-Austro-Konzert/340435771
I don’t quite follow you. If he was REALLY greedy, he would only do parties for billionaires and make more money, but he doesn’t. To me, he is still greedy, though, by allowing such high prices to be charged in the U.S. verses elsewhere. Doesn’t he realize we compare notes?
You indeed don't follow me, haha. I've already said it's pure greed. I'm making the point that when you gross 2 million a show in this territory, and 4 million in the other, that you aren't "losing money" when you perform a show in the territory where you gross 2 million. I'm saying that he can get even more than 4 million for less work, but that if he makes "less" than that at some other point, that's not called "losing money".
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mosthigh wrote:
Legendary promoter Bill Graham said it in the 70's: "Rock and Roll is no different than IBM, McDonald's, Chevrolet, etc. Supply and demand - it's the same business"
When Paul played at BC Place stadium in 2012 in Vancouver for the first time since '64, ticket demand was very high and scarce. When he came back in 2016 for 2 shows at the arena, floor tickets were under face on secondary market, and there were some visibly empty seats for both nights.
Desert Trip 2016 - 3 day GA pit passes were around $1800 usd face, then rose as high as $10 000 on secondary, then plummetted to $300 the week of the festival. Goes to show...
I think that's a lot of the problem people having a hard time seperating a business fom emotion, or what they feel the artist owes them an or their fans. I don't know many people who would choose to work the exact same job for considerably less money no matter what their net worth is. So it's not losing money but making less for the same job, semantics, it's how you choose to look at it
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nobodytoldme wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
Bob Gannon wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
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No, this is how a night entertaintment should be: not being screwed over. And when one doesn't gross the same money as he does elsewhere, one doesn't "lose money". An arena in the US grosses 1,5 to 2,5 million on ticket sales, an arena in European 1 to 2 million. Poor Paul. And "cheaper prices" are like what, 150 euros for a standing ticket?
Actually all VIP tickets are almost half. And yes, you are losing money when you can be playing somewhere else and making more. It's why the US is always having his shows
But he’s losing money while touring in the US. Because he could exclusively do billionaire birthday party’s with a 45 minute set for a 5 million fee, but he only makes 2 million a show while playing the US states he did in July last year, so he’s losing 3 million. See, this doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. That's not the definition of "losing money". It's pure greed, end of.
Anyway, he's doing Vienna 5 December: http://www.oe24.at/musik/konzerte/Paul-McCartney-Neues-Album-Austro-Konzert/340435771
Clickable link!
http://www.oe24.at/musik/konzerte/Paul-McCartney-Neues-Album-Austro-Konzert/340435771
I don’t quite follow you. If he was REALLY greedy, he would only do parties for billionaires and make more money, but he doesn’t. To me, he is still greedy, though, by allowing such high prices to be charged in the U.S. verses elsewhere. Doesn’t he realize we compare notes?
You indeed don't follow me, haha. I've already said it's pure greed. I'm making the point that when you gross 2 million a show in this territory, and 4 million in the other, that you aren't "losing money" when you perform a show in the territory where you gross 2 million. I'm saying that he can get even more than 4 million for less work, but that if he makes "less" than that at some other point, that's not called "losing money".
The fees are the reason why it's so long between U.K. And Europe visits and why USA is visited yearly.
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nobodytoldme wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
Bob Gannon wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
[..]
No, this is how a night entertaintment should be: not being screwed over. And when one doesn't gross the same money as he does elsewhere, one doesn't "lose money". An arena in the US grosses 1,5 to 2,5 million on ticket sales, an arena in European 1 to 2 million. Poor Paul. And "cheaper prices" are like what, 150 euros for a standing ticket?
Actually all VIP tickets are almost half. And yes, you are losing money when you can be playing somewhere else and making more. It's why the US is always having his shows
But he’s losing money while touring in the US. Because he could exclusively do billionaire birthday party’s with a 45 minute set for a 5 million fee, but he only makes 2 million a show while playing the US states he did in July last year, so he’s losing 3 million. See, this doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. That's not the definition of "losing money". It's pure greed, end of.
Anyway, he's doing Vienna 5 December: http://www.oe24.at/musik/konzerte/Paul-McCartney-Neues-Album-Austro-Konzert/340435771
Clickable link!
http://www.oe24.at/musik/konzerte/Paul-McCartney-Neues-Album-Austro-Konzert/340435771
I don’t quite follow you. If he was REALLY greedy, he would only do parties for billionaires and make more money, but he doesn’t. To me, he is still greedy, though, by allowing such high prices to be charged in the U.S. verses elsewhere. Doesn’t he realize we compare notes?
You indeed don't follow me, haha. I've already said it's pure greed. I'm making the point that when you gross 2 million a show in this territory, and 4 million in the other, that you aren't "losing money" when you perform a show in the territory where you gross 2 million. I'm saying that he can get even more than 4 million for less work, but that if he makes "less" than that at some other point, that's not called "losing money".
The fees are the reason why it's so long between U.K. And Europe visits and why USA is visited yearly.
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05.12.2018. Wien, Stadthalle
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Bob Gannon wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
Nancy R wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
Bob Gannon wrote:
nobodytoldme wrote:
[..]
No, this is how a night entertaintment should be: not being screwed over. And when one doesn't gross the same money as he does elsewhere, one doesn't "lose money". An arena in the US grosses 1,5 to 2,5 million on ticket sales, an arena in European 1 to 2 million. Poor Paul. And "cheaper prices" are like what, 150 euros for a standing ticket?
Actually all VIP tickets are almost half. And yes, you are losing money when you can be playing somewhere else and making more. It's why the US is always having his shows
But he’s losing money while touring in the US. Because he could exclusively do billionaire birthday party’s with a 45 minute set for a 5 million fee, but he only makes 2 million a show while playing the US states he did in July last year, so he’s losing 3 million. See, this doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. That's not the definition of "losing money". It's pure greed, end of.
Anyway, he's doing Vienna 5 December: http://www.oe24.at/musik/konzerte/Paul-McCartney-Neues-Album-Austro-Konzert/340435771
Clickable link!
http://www.oe24.at/musik/konzerte/Paul-McCartney-Neues-Album-Austro-Konzert/340435771
I don’t quite follow you. If he was REALLY greedy, he would only do parties for billionaires and make more money, but he doesn’t. To me, he is still greedy, though, by allowing such high prices to be charged in the U.S. verses elsewhere. Doesn’t he realize we compare notes?
You indeed don't follow me, haha. I've already said it's pure greed. I'm making the point that when you gross 2 million a show in this territory, and 4 million in the other, that you aren't "losing money" when you perform a show in the territory where you gross 2 million. I'm saying that he can get even more than 4 million for less work, but that if he makes "less" than that at some other point, that's not called "losing money".
The fees are the reason why it's so long between U.K. And Europe visits and why USA is visited yearly.
Nothing to do with greed rather than good business
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Hutchence wrote:
05.12.2018. Wien, Stadthalle
I read on another forum that that a travel agency from Croatia (which is offering transportation for the Vienna concert) is claiming the announcement will be made on July 14th.
Coincidentally, that's a national holiday in France. Perhaps the Paris concert will be announced then as well?
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Keep alert
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Bob Gannon wrote:
Keep alert
US
US
please US
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Macca84 wrote:
Bob Gannon wrote:
Keep alert
US
US
please US
Probably we gonna see some US dates just after ACL Festival.
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3rd December - Krakow, Poland - Tauron Arena
5th December - Vienna, Austria - Stadthalle
Announcement today.
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wickerman wrote:
3rd December - Krakow, Poland - Tauron Arena
5th December - Vienna, Austria - Stadthalle
Announcement today.
Thanks for letting us know!
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I'm gonna be front for the Glasgow show as my mum's cousin had American Express & we were charged the standard price of £141 for each ticket!! I'm still in complete shock since I bought the tickets yesterday!